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Bourgogne Des Flandres - Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

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247 Ratings
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Ratings: 247
Reviews: 95
rAvg: 3.47
pDev: 17.29%
Wants: 3
Gots: 11 | FT: 0
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Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V. visit their website
Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Red Ale |  5.00% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

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Knapp85

Pennsylvania

3.63/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Has a deep amber colored pour with a cream colored head. Just a little bit of lacing. The smell is a little bit of sweet and sour mixed. The flavor is a little sour at first but fades away quickly into a sweet more drinkable liquid. The mouthfeel is pretty light and doesn't have a ton of carbonation. Overall it's not bad bit it's nothing great like a true Flanders Red. I could drink this again if I came across it one day.

Serving type: on-tap

05-17-2011 21:53:18 | More by Knapp85
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pokesbeerdude

Colorado

3/5  rDev -13.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

750ml bottle purchased from Wilbur's in Ft. Collins. Around $8. Cork dates this as 2010. Into a NB Globe. Bottle notes this as 5.2%.

A: Cola colored beer with about half an inch of light tan head that disappears almost as quickly as it arrives. Leaves a few spots of lacing. A few islands of bubbles remain. Lots of red highlights when held to the light.

S: Brown malts, a slightly vinous note, not any real funk or acetic acid notes that I had expected. Slight bit of cherries and vanilla. There are a few light tart notes. Smells decent but not quite what I was hoping for.

T: Again very sweet smelling with just a little bit of a tart finish, really faint though. Notes of vanilla and cherries, some brown malt sweetness, and a slightly musty character to it as well. Slightly metallic finish on the end. Pretty average.

M: Light bodied, and way overcarbonated. Finish is fairly dry, a little bit of stickiness on the lips as well.

O: There are better examples of this style of beer out there. This is just not a great one. I could see new people to beer liking this, but it just doesn't do much for me. Not offensive just a pretty average beer.

Serving type: bottle

05-15-2011 02:47:56 | More by pokesbeerdude
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sweemzander

Illinois

3.38/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

11.2oz. bottle poured into a stemmed glass. 28/06/10 printed on the bottle.

(A)- Pours a very dark and deep burnt sienna color. Produced a great cap of off-white frothy head. Great retention. Lots of lace left behind.

(S)- Very dry and oaky. Earthy and funky too. Barely any acidity, sourness, or fruit detected.

(T)- Better than the smell led me to believe. Some good bits of vinous-like fruits and a mild vinegar-like acidity in front of a dry oaky funk finish.

(M)- A nice mellow carbonation level. A nice balance of fruit, oak, and funk. Very mellow on the sour/acidity level.

(D)- Not a whole lot going on with this, but it sure goes down easy. My bottle didnt last long since its so mellow. A decent cheap flanders that fits the style easy enough, but like i said: Its very mellow on flavor.

Serving type: bottle

05-08-2011 14:10:35 | More by sweemzander
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Rifugium

Pennsylvania

2.8/5  rDev -19.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

First had: bottle at Eulogy, Philly, PA

Offered to my lovely wife as an alternative to Kasteel Rouge, and I must say, it was no Kasteel Rouge. Reddish-brown pour with a light, receding head. Light fruity aroma. Taste was bitter and...mmm...sickeningly sour, I'm sorry to say. Sour in a thin way. Thin mouthfeel with a bit of a metallic aftertaste. Ok, but I probably would not get this beer again.

Serving type: bottle

04-29-2011 03:44:49 | More by Rifugium
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Alieniloquium

Florida

3.13/5  rDev -9.8%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter.

Appearance - Putrid brown liquid that pours with little head and no lacing. It just does not look appetizing.

Smell - It's more promising. I was hoping for more yeastiness and funk, but instead it's slightly sweet. Only a hint of tartness in the smell.

Taste - Similar to the smell. Some cherries and some oak. The tartness is barely strong enough to overcome the sweetness in the middle. Not a bad flavor throughout. The failure is in the finish. The beer thins out and tastes like a sickly sugar water. Ugh.

Mouthfeel - Very light body with a good amount of carbonation. The finish, as I mentioned, is just awful, though. Needs to be drier and crisper in the finish.

Overall - I enjoyed each sip but dreaded the swallow. For that reason, I would not buy this again.

Serving type: bottle

04-23-2011 03:27:31 | More by Alieniloquium
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Jason

Massachusetts

3.48/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2oz brown bottle with a bottling date printed on the neck of the bottle.

Dark mahogany, nearly black with a healthy looking froth on top. Ripe cherries, vanilla taffy, lemon zest and a hint of cake batter in the nose. Crisp and slick medium body. Sweet all around though the oak does pull on the palate, hints of ripe fruit; apples, cherries and lemonade. Confection / candy juiciness in the middle. Light hopping, faintly yeasty. Tartness struggles to come over the top but it does make it, still pretty mild though. Semi-sweet finish with more oaky flavors to meddle over.

A pretty good example of a Flanders Brown, one bottle is more than enough though.

Serving type: bottle

04-18-2011 02:14:44 | More by Jason
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SkeeterHawk

Texas

3.58/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I picked this beer up at Hop City in Atlanta a couple weeks ago. Let's give it a shot:

Appearance: Pours a dark garnet color that I really can't tell if it is clear. It has about a 1/2" head of creamy light tan bubbles after a pretty aggressive pour. The head looks like it wants to stick around for a while. There is already some lacing on the glass after just swirling.

Aroma: I initially got a little of the Flanders funk that you expect, but this beer is mild for the style. There is a pretty decent amount dark caramel and a little bit of cherries, but the vinegar is very reserved.

Taste: The flavor is really in line with the aroma. It is subtly wild with a sweet caramel malty edge to it. There is no hops to speak of and the finish is dominated by the malt and sweetness as well. The body is light, but it does have a bit of mouthfeel to it so that it doesn't come across as too watery.

Opinion: This is a pretty decent beer. Quite light for the style, which I don't really like, but it has a good flavor. It is even light when you put it beside a Vichtenaar. Take that for what you will. I would recommend that someone new to this style give this a shot before you go to Rodenbach.

Serving type: bottle

03-28-2011 04:47:35 | More by SkeeterHawk
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BARFLYB

Pennsylvania

3.58/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

11.2OZ bottle into a Rodenbach Grand Cru tulip.

Timmerman's Flander's sports a ruddy red, burnt brown appearance and a nice inch of thickish foam ivory looking that leaves some sqiggles.

Smell is weird, a flanders for sure, apple cider, werther's, musk, oak, roasty malts.

Taste grew on me, it took some sips, not sour and not overly sweet. Not a roadie, vinegar, sweet cherry flavor, no oaky flavor, coca cola, im torn on this beer.

Feel is a nice medium build with a nice carb that's not too bitey. vinegar stays a bit and keeps this from gaining props. maybe a bit of age will do something. I drank it and it was not all that bad, give it a go.

Serving type: bottle

03-18-2011 06:55:03 | More by BARFLYB
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champ103

Texas

3.35/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours a deep garnet red. A two finger beige head forms with good retention. Some lace as well. Looks nice.
S: Tart fruits, very vinegary up front. That is it, Pretty simple. This does remind me of Duchesse in the nose.
T: Tart and vinegary again. Which I enjoy. Though to much of a metallic flavor going on. Lingering moldy wood as well.
M/D: A medium body and carbonation. Just a bit thin. Not hard to sip on, but I would not go for another like I would with Duchesse.

Not bad, but not nearly of the standard that Duchesse is. Which is the only beer this can be judged against. Enjoyable, but not the "Real McCoy."

Serving type: on-tap

03-06-2011 01:40:42 | More by champ103
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WhyBeNormal

Ohio

2.6/5  rDev -25.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bourgogne des Flandres, a Flanders Oud Bruin blended with Lambic and aged for 6 months in oak barrels. It isn't bad, exactly, but it is fairly one-dimensional for the style. It's better once it warms up, but still pretty boring. Very sweet, with a vaguely cherry cola-like flavor and just a semblance of sourness. Reminds me of a really shitty attempt at copying Duchesse De Bourgogne (one of my favorites). It doesn't suck, but I can think of no reason to buy this one when there are significantly better examples of the style.

Serving type: bottle

02-20-2011 20:27:16 | More by WhyBeNormal
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jibbyvonjibb

California

3.05/5  rDev -12.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Brown with reddish tint. Fairly clear.
S: Sweet dark fruit. No expected brett funk.
T: Fruitness prominent: prune juice, maybe some dried apricots. Brown sugar and molasses. Only a bit tart.
M: Decent carbonation, though more would be better.
O: A very tame bruin. I personally would like it more if was substantially tarter and dryer. The sweetness wasn't overpowering, but definitely accentuated in this beer. Go elsewhere (I like Bellegems) for a more balanced bruin.

Serving type: bottle

12-10-2010 06:49:40 | More by jibbyvonjibb
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fear025

Illinois

3.15/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

On tap that the Bavarian Lodge in Lisle, IL.

Aroma:Very little aroma.

Appearance:Dark burgundy in color.

Taste:Strong pomegranate and dark cherry flavors. It's got just a little sourness, not very sour. The flavors stay the same on the aftertaste as they fade.

Mouthfeel:Light to medium body, creamy texture.

Drinkability:This one is a fairly tame Oud Brune as these things go. It's more of a session version of a flanders, or maybe even a fruit beer.

Serving type: on-tap

10-25-2010 17:53:00 | More by fear025
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eric5bellies

Australia

3.55/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Drank from my Leffe chalice

A - Pours a dark mahogany colour witha tight off white head that dies quickly.

S - Really nice creamy nutty dark fruits.

T - Sherbert like taste with cherries to finish, has a lingeriung sticky flavour.

M - Medium body and well carbonated.

D - Not my favourite flanders red, as it's a bit watery.

Serving type: bottle

06-19-2010 14:59:20 | More by eric5bellies
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BlackHaddock

United Kingdom (England)

3.78/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This 33cl bottle has been hanging around my shelves for some time and I thought it time to release it. I popped it into the fridge and here we are. So on a sunny evening in early June 2010 I poured the bottle into a 'forbidden fruit' badged chalice.

The beer poured a deep dark ruby red colour, an off-white almost tan coloured head sat on top for about 10 seconds before becoming a collar and wispy covering.

The smell was of semi-sour/semi-sweet old cherries without the pips and hints of something to come.

I am not a big fan of the Belgian sourpuss beers (check out some of my reviews, I've had plenty), so I was pleasantly pleased to find this wasn't one of those vinegarous brews. This hoovers just above sour and could almost be called sweet by some, I'll go for 'bordering on toothsome'.

The sweetness does appear to get sweeter as the beer warmed, which isn't good, but I enjoyed the beer from start to finish. Not your regular Flanders Red, but one of the best in my eyes.

Serving type: bottle

06-05-2010 20:24:15 | More by BlackHaddock
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snogglethorpe

Japan

3.13/5  rDev -9.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

According to the bottle, this is mix of red ale and lambic. Despite this, it was only a little sour; there was something of a nice woody taste, but in general it seemed a bit of boring and watered down, and was pretty much static (I mention this because something like Rodenbach, besides being far bolder, has a very dynamic and changing taste as you drink).

It's a nice darkish color, but not all that carbonated (small and quickly disappearing head), and because of the timid taste, seemed less refreshing than other beers of the same style I've had.

Serving type: bottle

05-27-2010 02:15:27 | More by snogglethorpe
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roblowther

Texas

3.5/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Muled back from Belgium by Kevin (props for that!) It is almost black in color with a dense, rocky light tan head. It smells like old leather and sort of like bandaids. Taste is sweet up front, with a nice maltiness and a slight sharpenng at the end. Tastes of carob powder with a buttery note and traces of strawberry. Very mellow, it seems like I'm going to like it more than I do, somehow. I like it, just not as much as I think I will when I hit the first sip. Mouthfeel is creamy, soft, and sharply carbonated at the same time. Drinkability isn't bad but the aftertaste is a touch metallic and doesn't make me yearn for the next sip. It has a lot of interesting things that it almost pulls off, it just seems the beer doesn't quite walk the talk. All in all a decent brew, one I'd have again. Its one I'd like to try aged or on tap (if such exists) to see how variances would affect it. To sum it up? Its got potential.

Serving type: bottle

04-30-2010 22:28:45 | More by roblowther
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jgasparine

Maryland

2.9/5  rDev -16.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served at Cambrinus Restaurant, Bruges, Belgium.

A- Pours into the glass with virtually no head- just a haze layer & collar. No real lacing. The body is a semi-opaque garnet color. No visible carbonation from the sides of the glass.

S- Not much on the nose... a very weak nose. Hard to pull anything off it. Maybe some faint traces of melanoidins and that's about it.

T- A very mild flavor. Some candy malt and melanoidins. It lacks the anticipated acidity and oakiness known for the style. it finishes very abruptly and dry, with some slight metallic flavor. Underwhelming.

M- A nice solid medium body. Lots of nice soft carbonation, which fills out the mouth nicely.

D- If you're not put-off by the mildness of the beer too much, then it's quite drinkable.

Serving type: bottle

03-23-2010 20:41:08 | More by jgasparine
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DefenCorps

Oregon

2.35/5  rDev -32.3%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

On tap at Max's today, side-by-side with the Bockor Cuvee des Jacobins Rouge.

Deep ruby red with reddish brown highlights, a thin tan head with decent retention, this is OK. The nose is disappointing with some sugar, some cola, a little vanilla and no real sourness. A little musty, this is disappointing. The palate opens with a mild tartness, a mild rotting fruit-like character, some sugar and mild vanilla. Drying on the finish with a mild tannic character, this isn't very good. Light in body with a moderate level of carbonation, I really didn't enjoy (or finish) my pour

Serving type: on-tap

02-13-2010 21:45:01 | More by DefenCorps
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DaPeculierDane

Wisconsin

3.5/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4

Small bottle offered up at Avec Les Bon Veoux in Brussels. Brown-red body with ruby hues and a thin tan head that dissipates rapidly this whispy lace. Aroma of candied cherries and oak with a touch of funk and some coriander like spice. Taste is cherries and prunes with some candied sugar and a little woodiness. Sour but not insanely so. Light bodied and quite drinkable.

Serving type: bottle

11-25-2009 17:01:49 | More by DaPeculierDane
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dgilks

Australia

3.2/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a medium brown with a slight red tinge. A light tan head has good retention. No lacing.

Light acetic and lactic aromas are teemed with a brown sugar and caramel sweetness. Dates and figs come through as well. Not bad but doesn't really have an X-factor.

The initial attack is quite sweet with a raw, brown sugar sweetness. The mid palate is better developed with some light acetic sourness helping to cut the sugar. It still seems a bit out of balance towards the sweet. I get a hint of clove and indescript fruit. It's okay (and is reasonably to style for an Old Bruin) but seems a bit muddled and doesn't fall into place for me.

Medium body and low to moderate carbonation are true to style. A slight acetic harshness lingers at the back of the throat.

A reasonably tasty beer but it doesn't quite do it for me. The flavours are muddled on the palate and lack structure. I can't see me drinking much of this.

Serving type: bottle

10-18-2009 09:32:05 | More by dgilks
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vancurly

Australia

4.63/5  rDev +33.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This is the best beer I've had all year.
a) Pours a deep red/brown, with garnet highlights. Fluffy tan head, dropping to a thin raft.
s) Big spice, fruit cake, brandy, ginger powder, oak. Smells like a perfect winter warmer. Raisins & dates, as it warms. Lovely.
t) Spice & dried fruits again. But the barrel conditioning brings in some slight tartness, citrus. Dried plums spring to mind. Similar in flavour profile to Rodenbach & Goudenband, but with less acid. A bitterness kicks in late. Magnificent
m) Well balanced. A light creaminess that counters the light tartness. Slight oily slickness.
d) Outstanding. A dark Belgian you can drink all night, and with bits of everything.

Serving type: bottle

09-24-2009 10:42:33 | More by vancurly
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MrHungryMonkey

Texas

3.75/5  rDev +8.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Nose is spicy and slightly herbal/floral/fruity. Smells like a fruity dessert. Smells very good.

Pours clear dark brown/red with moderate head. Looks good.

Vanilla notes, soft creamy sweet. Slight grape-like fruit, almost cocoanut. Soft herbalness. Lasting sourness. Tastes pretty good. Feels pretty good. Good drinkability.

Serving type: on-tap

09-07-2009 20:54:31 | More by MrHungryMonkey
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SleepyMonk

Australia

3.55/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Chilled bottle poured into a sniffer glass.

Pours with a light tan head that quickly dissipates away rather rapidly leaving behind patchy lacing. Body is a deep ruby blood red when held to the light but takes on a cola appearance when taken away.

The aroma is very well defined and dominated with floral notes. A combination of cherry and raspberry syrup comes up strong over the top of a very faint malt.

Taste is rather subdued and lacks any type of complexity as it is rather difficult to find anything else coming through other than strong notes of sour cherry and soft raison like tannins.

The mouthfeel and structure is quick and shallow. Fresh, fruity and mildly effervescent upfront which balances out with a shot of dark malt that doesn't quit make it and a forgettable finish.

Whilst I enjoyed this beer, I can't help but think that perhaps this example of a Flanders Red Ale was rushed to the market and brewed without the general standard of ingredients or attention to detail found in other offerings from the Flanders Red category.

So perhaps, it is what it is.

Serving type: bottle

09-07-2009 11:51:21 | More by SleepyMonk
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aerozeppl

New York

4/5  rDev +15.3%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

This was a 1998 bottle we drank at a thing.

A: Nice golden brown color with a half finger of white head.

S: Little bit of burnt sugar and a touch of molasses. Dark fruit as well. Time does wonders.

T: nice sweetness with some faded malt notes thrown in. Brown sugar and molasses again. This beer was a touch oxidized.

M: A little thick with little carbonation. It has that this has been aged for quite a while mouthfeel.

D: Not bad for a 14 year old beer.

Serving type: bottle

07-07-2009 22:28:29 | More by aerozeppl
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wl0307

United Kingdom (England)

3.2/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

BB 05/12/09, served lightly chilled in De Dolle Oerbier's long-stemmed goblet.

A: pours a very dark brown hue with ruby glows when seen against light, coming with constant streams of tiny fizz and a 1cm thick, light tan foamy head that lasts throughout the drink.
S: the aroma of this Oud Bruin is the most estery among the four I've tasted these two days, showing a strong influence of sour-sweet yeasts (like the Japanese lactose drink), strangely perfumy, plus a light touch of coriander even. Not that it's unpleasant, but the lactic sour tinge - supposedly a main feature of this type of ale - is subdued. Fortunately, a good swirl does bring out the more sour fruity hints on top of a bit more maltiness as well, featuring oily-rich sour black-prunes, raisins, sweet cherries, burned sugar...
T: carbonated black prune juice and a touch of sweet herbal tea come on top of a thin body of semi-neutrally favoured dark malts, with but a faint hint of lactic sourness and some metallic fruits; then the flavour turns quite neutral/clean, leaving an herbally-bitter edge of wood-ageing behind... Alas, it ends up slightly thin-bodied in the end, which doesn't do any favour to the already simplistic flavour profile.
M&D: the carbonation is not as smooth and natural as my other three bottles, but still light enough to render an approachable palate to go with the very light flavour profile. All in all, there's very little in the glass that I'd say has done this style any justice; for, it's quite mediocre overall and just fails to keep my interest.

Serving type: bottle

04-09-2009 20:23:26 | More by wl0307
Bourgogne Des Flandres from Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
79 out of 100 based on 247 ratings.