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Bourgogne Des Flandres - Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

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259 Ratings
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Ratings: 259
Reviews: 95
rAvg: 3.48
pDev: 17.53%
Wants: 3
Gots: 16 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V. visit their website
Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Red Ale |  5.00% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: rastaman on 10-12-2002)
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Photo of illidurit
2.95/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

On tap at burger. in Santa Cruz. Pours a dark clear ruby black with a sudsy tan head. Aroma is faint with light notes of overripe red fruit and dark bread. Flavor is full of sugary cherries, like cherry yogurt, with a sweet malty finish. Lacks the tartness of a good flanders ale. Pretty much just alcoholic soda.

illidurit, Sep 28, 2011
Photo of BeerForMuscle
3.98/5  rDev +14.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Crystal clear burgundy body with a thin head and many arising carbonation strands.

S - Sweet rubbing alcohol and ammonia. Plenty of sweet fruity notes and syruppy sugar and malt.

T - Flavors of sweet honey and delicious ripe fruit salad. Faint warm and sweet alcohol. Tangy fruit skin and dried fruit sugars. A bit of malt sweetness with a mild acidity and oaky dryness in the back end.

M - Fizzy and tingly on the tongue. So clean and crisply refreshing. A slightly dry finish.

O - A great flanders ale, on the sweet side but thirst quenching and highly drinkable.

BeerForMuscle, Aug 23, 2011
Photo of zeff80
3.43/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Poured out a dark, dark burgundy color with a one-finger, tan head of foam. It left some sudsy lace on the glass.

S - It smelled of sour cherry and not much else.

T - It tasted of sour cherry with some sweet caramel and a good dose of malt.

M - It was crisp and smooth. Slightly soft on the mouthfeel. A light to medium bodied ale.

O - Not sour enough and too malty. I guess I see why it was retired.

zeff80, Jul 31, 2011
Photo of CBlack85
3.45/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

On tap at Duckworths in Charlotte, served in a small chalice.

The beer is a dark amber/red color nearly brown, with brownish highlights. The cream colored head is smallish and fairly tight, and recedes quickly leaving behind small bits of lacing here and there.

The smell is fairly sweet and is comprised of cherries, plum, bits of vanilla, and oak. Really almost candy like, with just the smallest hint of tartness.

The flavor follows suit with the aroma, fairly sweet with just the slightest bit of tartness. Cherries, plum, the oak is a bit more prominant in the flavor than it is in the aroma. An almost candy like sweetness. Medium bodied, and moderately carbonated.

Overall the beer is decent, good but not great. Fairly easy to drink one of; I think it would be tough to get past the sweetness for a second or third pour.

CBlack85, Jul 29, 2011
Photo of Seattleman
2.78/5  rDev -20.1%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Bottled 06/10/10

A: Very dark reddish-brown with a tan and bubbly head. Great look to the beer.

S: Not a very strong nose. Faintly sweet soda-pop like smell of overripe fruit.

T: More sweet than sour, with a metallic after taste. While tartness is detected, expected something much more sour given the style.

M: Light with mild carbonation. Enjoyable.

O: Drinkable, but overly sweet. Could only drink one, had better Flanders style before. Might be an affordable segue into sours for those who have never tried them.

Seattleman, Jul 04, 2011
Photo of DavidST
2.95/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured from a 11.2 oz bottle, date 5/10/10 into a tulip glass.

This is a very good looking beer nice dark brown color with red edges and a nice foamy light brownish head. The smell is pretty light, there are some of the flanders sour smell, a little kriek cherry smell, a little sweet. Mouth feel is light, highly carbonated. The taste is okay, its a little sweet, some fruits almost tart but everything is too mellow, then a weird after flavor, this is definitely missing the ultra sour / tart kick that I was expecting from this style. Overall, I was looking for a cheaper Flanders Red besides La Folie and Duchesse De Bourgogne, but sadly this is just too toned down for me to get again, I'll stick with the Duchesse.

DavidST, Jul 02, 2011
Photo of womencantsail
2.2/5  rDev -36.8%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

On-tap at Sour Fest

A: The pour is a dark amber-red color with an off-white/khaki head.

S: Not a very good nose. Everything about it seems fake and artificial. It's also very sweet. Lots of prune juice, grape juice, overripe cherries, and raisins. I don't really even get any tartness.

T: Second verse, same as the first. The flavor is just horrendously sweet, to the point of cloying. Prunes, raisins, grape juice (Manischewitz, maybe?), cherries, and a healthy dose of sugar for good measure.

M: Mediumin body with a medium carbonation. It's nearing syrup territory.

O: This was dreadful stuff. No thanks.

womencantsail, Jun 30, 2011
Photo of specksnreds
3.6/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dark cherry cola look with little or no smell. What I do smell is malt vinegar. Head is fluffy, tan and plenty bubbly. Tastes like cooked dark cherries and sweet malt. Tart fruit from start to finish with a cola-like finish. A bit sweet, but a nice sipper after dinner. I like this beer.

specksnreds, Jun 25, 2011
Photo of BeerImmediately
1.88/5  rDev -46%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Picked up on a whim, and regretting I did so.

Poured into Duvel tulip at about 45 degrees. 2F of bubbly cream-colored head which quickly lowers to a film over a crimson-to-brown colored body. TONS of visible carbonation.

There's almost no aroma here - none of the classic Flanders Red. Got cardboard, earth, and prunes.

Flavor is quite disappointing. Rotten dark fruits, touch of vinous quality - sort of like a carbonated version of a kids grape juice box that's been rotting in the sun for a few weeks.

Mouthfeel is pretty thin, with far too much carbonation. No tart pull. And overshadowed by the bad flavor.

I'm hoping I just got a bad bottle, because if this is how the brewers release this, they should just pack it in.

BeerImmediately, Jun 18, 2011
Photo of samie85
3.15/5  rDev -9.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Reviewed from notes; originally 4/15/11.

A-Pours a ruby-tinged marron with two fingers of white head.

S-Smells of tart cherries with a bit of oak and some light, sweet malt.

T-The roasted barley is evident from the start with some slight vinegary notes.

M-Pretty smooth and mouth-coating feel with low carbonation for the style.

D-Very easy drinking but steers a little too close to cloying for the style.

samie85, May 29, 2011
Photo of Rassputtin
3.85/5  rDev +10.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

330 ml bottle
28/06/10 09:43

Pours an amber red almost no head that is gone immediately.

Smells great. It is sweet but tart and sour. Smells a little bready and fruity.

It tastes much like it smells. Starts fruity and tart like a sour but ends up bready.

Mouthfeels is good a little carbonationy. Not heavy at all. Starts smooth and ends pretty smooth.

Overall a pretty good beer. Worth a try for sure and definitely A pick above many others.

Rassputtin, May 25, 2011
Photo of ElGordo
3.73/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the 750ml champagne bottle into a Liefmans chalice. Body is a pretty reddish brown color with some ruby highlights, topped by a half inch of creamy, off-white head that leaves a good bit of lacing all around the whole glass.
Aroma of light, bready malt, sweet fruit (cherry and fig), and a hint of vinegary sourness. Palate is fruit-forward with lots of cherry sweetness and a bready malt base. A mild sourness lingers on the finish. Body is light, creamy, and just a bit sticky. While not nearly as sour as some other Flemish reds, this is still a very tasty little number.

ElGordo, May 24, 2011
Photo of Knapp85
3.63/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Has a deep amber colored pour with a cream colored head. Just a little bit of lacing. The smell is a little bit of sweet and sour mixed. The flavor is a little sour at first but fades away quickly into a sweet more drinkable liquid. The mouthfeel is pretty light and doesn't have a ton of carbonation. Overall it's not bad bit it's nothing great like a true Flanders Red. I could drink this again if I came across it one day.

Knapp85, May 17, 2011
Photo of pokesbeerdude
3/5  rDev -13.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

750ml bottle purchased from Wilbur's in Ft. Collins. Around $8. Cork dates this as 2010. Into a NB Globe. Bottle notes this as 5.2%.

A: Cola colored beer with about half an inch of light tan head that disappears almost as quickly as it arrives. Leaves a few spots of lacing. A few islands of bubbles remain. Lots of red highlights when held to the light.

S: Brown malts, a slightly vinous note, not any real funk or acetic acid notes that I had expected. Slight bit of cherries and vanilla. There are a few light tart notes. Smells decent but not quite what I was hoping for.

T: Again very sweet smelling with just a little bit of a tart finish, really faint though. Notes of vanilla and cherries, some brown malt sweetness, and a slightly musty character to it as well. Slightly metallic finish on the end. Pretty average.

M: Light bodied, and way overcarbonated. Finish is fairly dry, a little bit of stickiness on the lips as well.

O: There are better examples of this style of beer out there. This is just not a great one. I could see new people to beer liking this, but it just doesn't do much for me. Not offensive just a pretty average beer.

pokesbeerdude, May 15, 2011
Photo of sweemzander
3.38/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

11.2oz. bottle poured into a stemmed glass. 28/06/10 printed on the bottle.

(A)- Pours a very dark and deep burnt sienna color. Produced a great cap of off-white frothy head. Great retention. Lots of lace left behind.

(S)- Very dry and oaky. Earthy and funky too. Barely any acidity, sourness, or fruit detected.

(T)- Better than the smell led me to believe. Some good bits of vinous-like fruits and a mild vinegar-like acidity in front of a dry oaky funk finish.

(M)- A nice mellow carbonation level. A nice balance of fruit, oak, and funk. Very mellow on the sour/acidity level.

(D)- Not a whole lot going on with this, but it sure goes down easy. My bottle didnt last long since its so mellow. A decent cheap flanders that fits the style easy enough, but like i said: Its very mellow on flavor.

sweemzander, May 08, 2011
Photo of Rifugium
2.8/5  rDev -19.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

First had: bottle at Eulogy, Philly, PA

Offered to my lovely wife as an alternative to Kasteel Rouge, and I must say, it was no Kasteel Rouge. Reddish-brown pour with a light, receding head. Light fruity aroma. Taste was bitter and...mmm...sickeningly sour, I'm sorry to say. Sour in a thin way. Thin mouthfeel with a bit of a metallic aftertaste. Ok, but I probably would not get this beer again.

Rifugium, Apr 29, 2011
Photo of Alieniloquium
3.13/5  rDev -10.1%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter.

Appearance - Putrid brown liquid that pours with little head and no lacing. It just does not look appetizing.

Smell - It's more promising. I was hoping for more yeastiness and funk, but instead it's slightly sweet. Only a hint of tartness in the smell.

Taste - Similar to the smell. Some cherries and some oak. The tartness is barely strong enough to overcome the sweetness in the middle. Not a bad flavor throughout. The failure is in the finish. The beer thins out and tastes like a sickly sugar water. Ugh.

Mouthfeel - Very light body with a good amount of carbonation. The finish, as I mentioned, is just awful, though. Needs to be drier and crisper in the finish.

Overall - I enjoyed each sip but dreaded the swallow. For that reason, I would not buy this again.

Alieniloquium, Apr 23, 2011
Photo of Jason
3.48/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2oz brown bottle with a bottling date printed on the neck of the bottle.

Dark mahogany, nearly black with a healthy looking froth on top. Ripe cherries, vanilla taffy, lemon zest and a hint of cake batter in the nose. Crisp and slick medium body. Sweet all around though the oak does pull on the palate, hints of ripe fruit; apples, cherries and lemonade. Confection / candy juiciness in the middle. Light hopping, faintly yeasty. Tartness struggles to come over the top but it does make it, still pretty mild though. Semi-sweet finish with more oaky flavors to meddle over.

A pretty good example of a Flanders Brown, one bottle is more than enough though.

Jason, Apr 18, 2011
Photo of SkeeterHawk
3.58/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I picked this beer up at Hop City in Atlanta a couple weeks ago. Let's give it a shot:

Appearance: Pours a dark garnet color that I really can't tell if it is clear. It has about a 1/2" head of creamy light tan bubbles after a pretty aggressive pour. The head looks like it wants to stick around for a while. There is already some lacing on the glass after just swirling.

Aroma: I initially got a little of the Flanders funk that you expect, but this beer is mild for the style. There is a pretty decent amount dark caramel and a little bit of cherries, but the vinegar is very reserved.

Taste: The flavor is really in line with the aroma. It is subtly wild with a sweet caramel malty edge to it. There is no hops to speak of and the finish is dominated by the malt and sweetness as well. The body is light, but it does have a bit of mouthfeel to it so that it doesn't come across as too watery.

Opinion: This is a pretty decent beer. Quite light for the style, which I don't really like, but it has a good flavor. It is even light when you put it beside a Vichtenaar. Take that for what you will. I would recommend that someone new to this style give this a shot before you go to Rodenbach.

SkeeterHawk, Mar 28, 2011
Photo of BARFLYB
3.58/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

11.2OZ bottle into a Rodenbach Grand Cru tulip.

Timmerman's Flander's sports a ruddy red, burnt brown appearance and a nice inch of thickish foam ivory looking that leaves some sqiggles.

Smell is weird, a flanders for sure, apple cider, werther's, musk, oak, roasty malts.

Taste grew on me, it took some sips, not sour and not overly sweet. Not a roadie, vinegar, sweet cherry flavor, no oaky flavor, coca cola, im torn on this beer.

Feel is a nice medium build with a nice carb that's not too bitey. vinegar stays a bit and keeps this from gaining props. maybe a bit of age will do something. I drank it and it was not all that bad, give it a go.

BARFLYB, Mar 18, 2011
Photo of champ103
3.35/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours a deep garnet red. A two finger beige head forms with good retention. Some lace as well. Looks nice.
S: Tart fruits, very vinegary up front. That is it, Pretty simple. This does remind me of Duchesse in the nose.
T: Tart and vinegary again. Which I enjoy. Though to much of a metallic flavor going on. Lingering moldy wood as well.
M/D: A medium body and carbonation. Just a bit thin. Not hard to sip on, but I would not go for another like I would with Duchesse.

Not bad, but not nearly of the standard that Duchesse is. Which is the only beer this can be judged against. Enjoyable, but not the "Real McCoy."

champ103, Mar 06, 2011
Photo of WhyBeNormal
2.6/5  rDev -25.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bourgogne des Flandres, a Flanders Oud Bruin blended with Lambic and aged for 6 months in oak barrels. It isn't bad, exactly, but it is fairly one-dimensional for the style. It's better once it warms up, but still pretty boring. Very sweet, with a vaguely cherry cola-like flavor and just a semblance of sourness. Reminds me of a really shitty attempt at copying Duchesse De Bourgogne (one of my favorites). It doesn't suck, but I can think of no reason to buy this one when there are significantly better examples of the style.

WhyBeNormal, Feb 20, 2011
Photo of jibbyvonjibb
3.05/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Brown with reddish tint. Fairly clear.
S: Sweet dark fruit. No expected brett funk.
T: Fruitness prominent: prune juice, maybe some dried apricots. Brown sugar and molasses. Only a bit tart.
M: Decent carbonation, though more would be better.
O: A very tame bruin. I personally would like it more if was substantially tarter and dryer. The sweetness wasn't overpowering, but definitely accentuated in this beer. Go elsewhere (I like Bellegems) for a more balanced bruin.

jibbyvonjibb, Dec 10, 2010
Photo of fear025
3.15/5  rDev -9.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

On tap that the Bavarian Lodge in Lisle, IL.

Aroma:Very little aroma.

Appearance:Dark burgundy in color.

Taste:Strong pomegranate and dark cherry flavors. It's got just a little sourness, not very sour. The flavors stay the same on the aftertaste as they fade.

Mouthfeel:Light to medium body, creamy texture.

Drinkability:This one is a fairly tame Oud Brune as these things go. It's more of a session version of a flanders, or maybe even a fruit beer.

fear025, Oct 25, 2010
Photo of eric5bellies
3.55/5  rDev +2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Drank from my Leffe chalice

A - Pours a dark mahogany colour witha tight off white head that dies quickly.

S - Really nice creamy nutty dark fruits.

T - Sherbert like taste with cherries to finish, has a lingeriung sticky flavour.

M - Medium body and well carbonated.

D - Not my favourite flanders red, as it's a bit watery.

eric5bellies, Jun 19, 2010
Bourgogne Des Flandres from Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
79 out of 100 based on 259 ratings.