Bourgogne Des Flandres - Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

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Reviews: 100
Hads: 298
Avg: 3.46
pDev: 17.34%
Wants: 6
Gots: 29 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Flanders Red Ale |  5.00% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: rastaman on 10-12-2002

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Photo of jazzyjeff13
3.44/5  rDev -0.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

I just brought this back from a trip to Belgium, and I think it may have suffered during the flight. The bottle was still sealed, but missing a portion of the contents - perhaps it leaked out at altitude? Who knows, but I thought I'd better get on and crack it open. Still slightly carbonated, so hopefully not a complete disaster....

A 330ml bottle with a BB of March 2014. Picked up from a supermarket in Bruges last week. The bottle image features the famous belfry from the city centre.

Poured into a Delirium chalice. A deep reddish-brown hue with low carbonation. Virtually no head; a hint of light brown froth that vanishes fleetingly. A sweet, sour, woody aroma - notes of tart cherries, subtle sherry, brown sugar and a vinegary twang in the background.

The taste is sweet, with a fruity sourness and a short, dry finish. Notes of cherries, sherry, brown sugar, malt and hints of vinegar and wood. A dry acidity upon swallowing. Mouthfeel is smooth and dry but a tad flat (even for a supposedly aged style). Lacks body. Mild aftertaste of vinegary sourness and tart cherries.

Not bad, though I find it a little too sweet and in need of improved body. The low carbonation is also a weak point, though this may have been caused by poor handling (my fault). Otherwise, it has the classic fruity sourness of a flanders red - distinct but restrained. A decent representative of these unique Belgian beers. Worth trying.

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Photo of Firkin-Bunghole
3.76/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

330 ml bottle-date 10/26/2010. Poured bottle into pint glass.
A: Brown with reddish hues when held up to light. A couple fingers worth of foam which lingers throughout the beer
S: Malts, sugar, fruits
T: Taste for me was better than the smell. Sweet & tart taste of cherries. Good balance between the two. Was kind of surprised at the finish: that the tartness/sweetness didn't linger at all.
M: Medium mouthfeel, surprising amount of carbonation with this beer being 18 months old.
O: Picked this one up on a whim. Saw this bottle right next to Duchesse De Bourgogne at my local bottle shop and figured worth a try. About to open the Duchesse de Bourgogne and will post on that one soon.

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Photo of troysoy2
3.38/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

11.2 oz bottle, poured into a tulip.

Starts off with a finger of eggshell head, which diminishes to a light covering within a few minutes and then sticks around. Dark maroon, with a ruby red tint to it, and not a ton of light making it through.

The smell has a funky yeastiness to it, with tart cherries at the forefront.

Balanced and easy drinking. Up front, this ale meets the palate smoothly, with a sweet, almost soda-like cherry flavor. Sweetness is in check, but definitely something to have when you're in the mood. A pleasing dark cherry aftertaste, would be really nice if it lasted just a tad longer. The mouthfeel suits the taste: lightly carbonated, wet, refreshing.

Easy going, perhaps unremarkable. I enjoyed drinking Bourgogne des Flandres Brown Ale, but it'd be hard to justify dropping the dollars to have it again.

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Photo of PorterLambic
4/5  rDev +15.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Arrives amazingly dark, Ruby would be paler in comparison. Nice 1" head sits atop it though it is gone in a couple of minutes. Good lacing.
Smell is very tart and sour with cherry dominant and lesser notes of cardboard and vanilla.
Taste is cherry and malt, sour and tart. Delicious.
Medium bodied and medium effervescence. ABV is not at all noticeable. Aftertaste is less tart, more malt. Not as good, to me at least, as Duchess du Borgogne, but in the neighborhood.

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Photo of silentjay
3.5/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

dark cherry brown color with a light khaki head that rises to 2 fingers, settles at 1 and laces decently.

pretty tame aroma of black cherries, some sweet malts, a touch tart but more sweet.

flavor starts sweet and malty with a yeasty backdrop and some black cherry flavors after that, a bit candy-like, with just a slight tartness and a quick clean finish.

thin bodied with subtle carbonation and nothing left on the palate.

I'd drink it again, but for the price I can find much better examples of the style. just a bit too muted on every aspect.

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Photo of LiquidAmber
3.63/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured into a Gulden Draak tulip. Pours a dark red amber with a one finger medium pinkish white head with good retention and lacing. Aroma is sweet malt and sour fruit, cherries. Mellow flavor of cherries, sour and sweet, finishes with a well blended flavor of dark fruit, malt and cherries somewhat tangy. Moderate bodied. Somewhat subdued in flavor, but pleasant and satisfying to drink. This is a one year old bottle with unknown storage details (may be a bottle from distributor storage).

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Photo of donkeyrunner
2.83/5  rDev -18.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Chestnut brown pour with a cocoa mix grayish brown head. Fair retention in the shape of a footprint. Fancy silkscreen bottle art.

Smells like black forest cake batter and tastes like Weight Watchers black cherry diet soda. More of a sweet burst in back rather than any tart or sour Flanders character.

I've got 2 bottles left, who wants'em?

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Photo of rhoadsrage
4/5  rDev +15.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

(Served in a tulip glass)

A- This beer pours a dense walnut brown body with a little light glowing at the base of the glass. There is a sticky beige head that sticks to the glass in sheets but doesn't last.

S- The soft bright almost citrus orange tartness has some wet raw oak and rhubarb notes that grow as the beer opens.

T- The blend of cola and wet wood led to a mellow tartness and some brown sugar sweetness that starts to develop as it opens. There is a touch of cherries and citrus hints to a bright tartness in the finish. A well blended brown malt and dry toffee note has some paper oxidation notes and a faint aspirin quality to follow. There is a bitterness of grapefruit pith in the finish aswell.

M- The medium mouthfeel has a touch of fizz in the finish but it is gentle.

O- This beer is bright with some nice fruity depth to it and a soft tartness but it becomes a bit too sweet as it warms and the tartness is a bit too mellow to combat that.

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Photo of danedelman
3.4/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A-deep mahogany copper with a nice tight bubbly head about 1 finger high.

S-cherries mixed with some pineapple and a bit of a goat cheese/funk to it. Sour is a big smell too in this one.

T-subtle flavor. I mainly get the malt, and wheat with a hint of cherries. Not real sour at all. Drinks like a Rodenbach or duchesse de borgogne but without the full flavor of those. I have to be honest, I am very suprised how subtle this one is as the smell is pretty good and complex.

M-medium body, maybe a bit syrupy and plenty of bubbles.

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Photo of schoolboy
4.12/5  rDev +19.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Let me find my passport. This beer transports to somewhere in Belgium where ber is bier. It reminds me of the flemish sour I sometimes drink, but a little easier to drink (but only a bit).

It is dark and clear in the glass, with no head. This particular bottle apparently was bottled in October 26, 2010. That should make it (barely) ready to drink. It isn't mellow tasting - the sour taste is in your face. It overpowers everything else, but you can tell there are other tastes underneath there somewhere.

This was a nice, unique taste treat, but I don't need to drink this again.

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Photo of feloniousmonk
3.57/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Let's get into a "sour", shall we? Something brewed and bottled for Anthony Martin by Timmermans Brewery, Bourgogne de Flandres, Belgian Brown Ale, 1765, van Houtryve Brugge. Bruges' typical brown ale, matured 6 months in oak casks. ALC 5.2 %.

Dark, dusky, purplish coloration, small darkish head.

Vinous aromatics, very grape-y, berries and cherries with a hit of sour. Some sweet fruit, with a good dose of the other stuff.

Taste: berry-licious. sour-tastic. nice and medium, for the sour-heads among us. Is this the Duchesse Junior, the light sour? Sweetness, then some sour, …very tasty, but never over the top.

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Photo of doughanson78
3.23/5  rDev -6.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

11.2oz bottle poured into a tulip.

A: Deep wine red. Very clear. Big two plus finger, light tan, head. Has decent retention with a very mild lacing.

S: Toasted toffee and caramel malts. Light sour funkiness. A slight root beer aroma. Pretty light overall smell.

T: Malty, with a candi sugar sweetness up front. Very light caramel and toffee in the middle. Finishes slightly sour and funky with a light cherry flavor.

M: Light body, slightly on the watery side. Very high carbonation. Very crisp.

O: It's an alright beer. Little light in everything from nose, to taste, to body. Nothing wrong with it but it won't blow you away.

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Photo of deebo
4.03/5  rDev +16.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at Monk-Brussels

A-Pours a creamy tan that sticks to the traditional Bourgongne Des Flanders wine glass. Brownish red and clear.

S-Funky sour and yeasty with a little oak smell.

T-Fruity, yeasty and sweet. Just a hint of a bitter finish.

M-Any alcohol is hidden, crisp but not overly carbonated.

D-Easy to drink and tasty.

O-A nice flavorful easy to drink beer, not overly anything.

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Photo of JoeAmerican77
3.56/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Very dark rootbeer brown, nice two finger tope head... Smells of caramel malts sour barnyard fun and some mild sweetness. Flavor consists of cherry flesh, sweet red strawberry lollipops, a bit cloying. and a dose or two of sour bugs. A medium body and soda like carbonation make up the mouthfeel.

Overall a bit too sweet for me, and I also wish it were more sour.

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Photo of Mar02x
3.8/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - A nice red and clear beer with a whitish pink head.

S - Sour red fruit, mainly cherries.

T - Dry cherries, the body however isn't full, but nevertheless still tasteful and refreshing.

M - Medium carbonation that fits the taste. Somewhat sticky and light bitter.

O - A nice beer, something different, not to sweet, just try it once.

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Photo of beveritt
3.82/5  rDev +10.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Presentation: Had at a recent spur of the moment trip to World of Beer. Poured into a logo glass.

Appearance: Pours with very little head, this disappears quickly, Beer itself is medium brown with a slight reddish tinge and perfeclty clear. No sediment in the bottle.

Smell: Sweet caramel malt with strong notes of cherries.

Taste: Slightly tart cherry upfront with a malty smoothness.

Mouthfeel: Lower than average carbonation. Good body.

Drinkability: Not as tart as some Red Ales I have had, but enjoyable. Not sure why this says retired, just had one last night.

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Photo of illidurit
2.93/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

On tap at burger. in Santa Cruz. Pours a dark clear ruby black with a sudsy tan head. Aroma is faint with light notes of overripe red fruit and dark bread. Flavor is full of sugary cherries, like cherry yogurt, with a sweet malty finish. Lacks the tartness of a good flanders ale. Pretty much just alcoholic soda.

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Photo of BeerForMuscle
3.97/5  rDev +14.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Crystal clear burgundy body with a thin head and many arising carbonation strands.

S - Sweet rubbing alcohol and ammonia. Plenty of sweet fruity notes and syruppy sugar and malt.

T - Flavors of sweet honey and delicious ripe fruit salad. Faint warm and sweet alcohol. Tangy fruit skin and dried fruit sugars. A bit of malt sweetness with a mild acidity and oaky dryness in the back end.

M - Fizzy and tingly on the tongue. So clean and crisply refreshing. A slightly dry finish.

O - A great flanders ale, on the sweet side but thirst quenching and highly drinkable.

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Photo of zeff80
3.41/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Poured out a dark, dark burgundy color with a one-finger, tan head of foam. It left some sudsy lace on the glass.

S - It smelled of sour cherry and not much else.

T - It tasted of sour cherry with some sweet caramel and a good dose of malt.

M - It was crisp and smooth. Slightly soft on the mouthfeel. A light to medium bodied ale.

O - Not sour enough and too malty. I guess I see why it was retired.

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Photo of CBlack85
3.45/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

On tap at Duckworths in Charlotte, served in a small chalice.

The beer is a dark amber/red color nearly brown, with brownish highlights. The cream colored head is smallish and fairly tight, and recedes quickly leaving behind small bits of lacing here and there.

The smell is fairly sweet and is comprised of cherries, plum, bits of vanilla, and oak. Really almost candy like, with just the smallest hint of tartness.

The flavor follows suit with the aroma, fairly sweet with just the slightest bit of tartness. Cherries, plum, the oak is a bit more prominant in the flavor than it is in the aroma. An almost candy like sweetness. Medium bodied, and moderately carbonated.

Overall the beer is decent, good but not great. Fairly easy to drink one of; I think it would be tough to get past the sweetness for a second or third pour.

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Photo of Seattleman
2.79/5  rDev -19.4%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Bottled 06/10/10

A: Very dark reddish-brown with a tan and bubbly head. Great look to the beer.

S: Not a very strong nose. Faintly sweet soda-pop like smell of overripe fruit.

T: More sweet than sour, with a metallic after taste. While tartness is detected, expected something much more sour given the style.

M: Light with mild carbonation. Enjoyable.

O: Drinkable, but overly sweet. Could only drink one, had better Flanders style before. Might be an affordable segue into sours for those who have never tried them.

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Photo of DavidST
2.94/5  rDev -15%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured from a 11.2 oz bottle, date 5/10/10 into a tulip glass.

This is a very good looking beer nice dark brown color with red edges and a nice foamy light brownish head. The smell is pretty light, there are some of the flanders sour smell, a little kriek cherry smell, a little sweet. Mouth feel is light, highly carbonated. The taste is okay, its a little sweet, some fruits almost tart but everything is too mellow, then a weird after flavor, this is definitely missing the ultra sour / tart kick that I was expecting from this style. Overall, I was looking for a cheaper Flanders Red besides La Folie and Duchesse De Bourgogne, but sadly this is just too toned down for me to get again, I'll stick with the Duchesse.

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Photo of womencantsail
2.22/5  rDev -35.8%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

On-tap at Sour Fest

A: The pour is a dark amber-red color with an off-white/khaki head.

S: Not a very good nose. Everything about it seems fake and artificial. It's also very sweet. Lots of prune juice, grape juice, overripe cherries, and raisins. I don't really even get any tartness.

T: Second verse, same as the first. The flavor is just horrendously sweet, to the point of cloying. Prunes, raisins, grape juice (Manischewitz, maybe?), cherries, and a healthy dose of sugar for good measure.

M: Mediumin body with a medium carbonation. It's nearing syrup territory.

O: This was dreadful stuff. No thanks.

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Photo of specksnreds
3.59/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dark cherry cola look with little or no smell. What I do smell is malt vinegar. Head is fluffy, tan and plenty bubbly. Tastes like cooked dark cherries and sweet malt. Tart fruit from start to finish with a cola-like finish. A bit sweet, but a nice sipper after dinner. I like this beer.

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Photo of BeerImmediately
1.91/5  rDev -44.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Picked up on a whim, and regretting I did so.

Poured into Duvel tulip at about 45 degrees. 2F of bubbly cream-colored head which quickly lowers to a film over a crimson-to-brown colored body. TONS of visible carbonation.

There's almost no aroma here - none of the classic Flanders Red. Got cardboard, earth, and prunes.

Flavor is quite disappointing. Rotten dark fruits, touch of vinous quality - sort of like a carbonated version of a kids grape juice box that's been rotting in the sun for a few weeks.

Mouthfeel is pretty thin, with far too much carbonation. No tart pull. And overshadowed by the bad flavor.

I'm hoping I just got a bad bottle, because if this is how the brewers release this, they should just pack it in.

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Bourgogne Des Flandres from Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
79 out of 100 based on 100 ratings.