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Bourgogne Des Flandres - Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.

Bourgogne Des FlandresBourgogne Des Flandres

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Ratings: 208
Reviews: 94
rAvg: 3.45
pDev: 16.81%


Brewed by:
Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V. visit their website
Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Red Ale |  5.00% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: rastaman on 10-12-2002)
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donkeyrunner

Massachusetts

2.8/5  rDev -18.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Chestnut brown pour with a cocoa mix grayish brown head. Fair retention in the shape of a footprint. Fancy silkscreen bottle art.

Smells like black forest cake batter and tastes like Weight Watchers black cherry diet soda. More of a sweet burst in back rather than any tart or sour Flanders character.

I've got 2 bottles left, who wants'em?

Serving type: bottle

01-27-2012 11:19:18 | More by donkeyrunner
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rhoadsrage

Illinois

4/5  rDev +15.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

(Served in a tulip glass)

A- This beer pours a dense walnut brown body with a little light glowing at the base of the glass. There is a sticky beige head that sticks to the glass in sheets but doesn't last.

S- The soft bright almost citrus orange tartness has some wet raw oak and rhubarb notes that grow as the beer opens.

T- The blend of cola and wet wood led to a mellow tartness and some brown sugar sweetness that starts to develop as it opens. There is a touch of cherries and citrus hints to a bright tartness in the finish. A well blended brown malt and dry toffee note has some paper oxidation notes and a faint aspirin quality to follow. There is a bitterness of grapefruit pith in the finish aswell.

M- The medium mouthfeel has a touch of fizz in the finish but it is gentle.

O- This beer is bright with some nice fruity depth to it and a soft tartness but it becomes a bit too sweet as it warms and the tartness is a bit too mellow to combat that.

Serving type: bottle

01-18-2012 22:26:36 | More by rhoadsrage
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danedelman

Pennsylvania

3.35/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A-deep mahogany copper with a nice tight bubbly head about 1 finger high.

S-cherries mixed with some pineapple and a bit of a goat cheese/funk to it. Sour is a big smell too in this one.

T-subtle flavor. I mainly get the malt, and wheat with a hint of cherries. Not real sour at all. Drinks like a Rodenbach or duchesse de borgogne but without the full flavor of those. I have to be honest, I am very suprised how subtle this one is as the smell is pretty good and complex.

M-medium body, maybe a bit syrupy and plenty of bubbles.

Serving type: bottle

01-17-2012 22:50:12 | More by danedelman
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schoolboy

Ohio

4.1/5  rDev +18.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Let me find my passport. This beer transports to somewhere in Belgium where ber is bier. It reminds me of the flemish sour I sometimes drink, but a little easier to drink (but only a bit).

It is dark and clear in the glass, with no head. This particular bottle apparently was bottled in October 26, 2010. That should make it (barely) ready to drink. It isn't mellow tasting - the sour taste is in your face. It overpowers everything else, but you can tell there are other tastes underneath there somewhere.

This was a nice, unique taste treat, but I don't need to drink this again.

Serving type: bottle

01-15-2012 22:30:05 | More by schoolboy
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feloniousmonk

Minnesota

3.55/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Let's get into a "sour", shall we? Something brewed and bottled for Anthony Martin by Timmermans Brewery, Bourgogne de Flandres, Belgian Brown Ale, 1765, van Houtryve Brugge. Bruges' typical brown ale, matured 6 months in oak casks. ALC 5.2 %.

Dark, dusky, purplish coloration, small darkish head.

Vinous aromatics, very grape-y, berries and cherries with a hit of sour. Some sweet fruit, with a good dose of the other stuff.

Taste: berry-licious. sour-tastic. nice and medium, for the sour-heads among us. Is this the Duchesse Junior, the light sour? Sweetness, then some sour, …very tasty, but never over the top.

Serving type: bottle

12-24-2011 07:02:33 | More by feloniousmonk
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doughanson78

Washington

3.25/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

11.2oz bottle poured into a tulip.

A: Deep wine red. Very clear. Big two plus finger, light tan, head. Has decent retention with a very mild lacing.

S: Toasted toffee and caramel malts. Light sour funkiness. A slight root beer aroma. Pretty light overall smell.

T: Malty, with a candi sugar sweetness up front. Very light caramel and toffee in the middle. Finishes slightly sour and funky with a light cherry flavor.

M: Light body, slightly on the watery side. Very high carbonation. Very crisp.

O: It's an alright beer. Little light in everything from nose, to taste, to body. Nothing wrong with it but it won't blow you away.

Serving type: bottle

12-24-2011 02:03:03 | More by doughanson78
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deebo

Minnesota

4.03/5  rDev +16.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at Monk-Brussels

A-Pours a creamy tan that sticks to the traditional Bourgongne Des Flanders wine glass. Brownish red and clear.

S-Funky sour and yeasty with a little oak smell.

T-Fruity, yeasty and sweet. Just a hint of a bitter finish.

M-Any alcohol is hidden, crisp but not overly carbonated.

D-Easy to drink and tasty.

O-A nice flavorful easy to drink beer, not overly anything.

Serving type: on-tap

12-22-2011 02:23:41 | More by deebo
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JoeAmerican77

Colorado

3.55/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Very dark rootbeer brown, nice two finger tope head... Smells of caramel malts sour barnyard fun and some mild sweetness. Flavor consists of cherry flesh, sweet red strawberry lollipops, a bit cloying. and a dose or two of sour bugs. A medium body and soda like carbonation make up the mouthfeel.

Overall a bit too sweet for me, and I also wish it were more sour.

Serving type: bottle

12-08-2011 00:19:28 | More by JoeAmerican77
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Mar02x

Netherlands

3.78/5  rDev +9.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - A nice red and clear beer with a whitish pink head.

S - Sour red fruit, mainly cherries.

T - Dry cherries, the body however isn't full, but nevertheless still tasteful and refreshing.

M - Medium carbonation that fits the taste. Somewhat sticky and light bitter.

O - A nice beer, something different, not to sweet, just try it once.

Serving type: bottle

11-20-2011 12:23:28 | More by Mar02x
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beveritt

Ohio

3.83/5  rDev +11%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Presentation: Had at a recent spur of the moment trip to World of Beer. Poured into a logo glass.

Appearance: Pours with very little head, this disappears quickly, Beer itself is medium brown with a slight reddish tinge and perfeclty clear. No sediment in the bottle.

Smell: Sweet caramel malt with strong notes of cherries.

Taste: Slightly tart cherry upfront with a malty smoothness.

Mouthfeel: Lower than average carbonation. Good body.

Drinkability: Not as tart as some Red Ales I have had, but enjoyable. Not sure why this says retired, just had one last night.

Serving type: bottle

11-17-2011 22:05:52 | More by beveritt
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illidurit

California

2.95/5  rDev -14.5%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

On tap at burger. in Santa Cruz. Pours a dark clear ruby black with a sudsy tan head. Aroma is faint with light notes of overripe red fruit and dark bread. Flavor is full of sugary cherries, like cherry yogurt, with a sweet malty finish. Lacks the tartness of a good flanders ale. Pretty much just alcoholic soda.

Serving type: on-tap

09-28-2011 00:31:13 | More by illidurit
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BeerForMuscle

New Jersey

3.98/5  rDev +15.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Crystal clear burgundy body with a thin head and many arising carbonation strands.

S - Sweet rubbing alcohol and ammonia. Plenty of sweet fruity notes and syruppy sugar and malt.

T - Flavors of sweet honey and delicious ripe fruit salad. Faint warm and sweet alcohol. Tangy fruit skin and dried fruit sugars. A bit of malt sweetness with a mild acidity and oaky dryness in the back end.

M - Fizzy and tingly on the tongue. So clean and crisply refreshing. A slightly dry finish.

O - A great flanders ale, on the sweet side but thirst quenching and highly drinkable.

Serving type: bottle

08-23-2011 00:05:10 | More by BeerForMuscle
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zeff80

Missouri

3.43/5  rDev -0.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Poured out a dark, dark burgundy color with a one-finger, tan head of foam. It left some sudsy lace on the glass.

S - It smelled of sour cherry and not much else.

T - It tasted of sour cherry with some sweet caramel and a good dose of malt.

M - It was crisp and smooth. Slightly soft on the mouthfeel. A light to medium bodied ale.

O - Not sour enough and too malty. I guess I see why it was retired.

Serving type: bottle

07-31-2011 22:23:13 | More by zeff80
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CBlack85

South Carolina

3.45/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

On tap at Duckworths in Charlotte, served in a small chalice.

The beer is a dark amber/red color nearly brown, with brownish highlights. The cream colored head is smallish and fairly tight, and recedes quickly leaving behind small bits of lacing here and there.

The smell is fairly sweet and is comprised of cherries, plum, bits of vanilla, and oak. Really almost candy like, with just the smallest hint of tartness.

The flavor follows suit with the aroma, fairly sweet with just the slightest bit of tartness. Cherries, plum, the oak is a bit more prominant in the flavor than it is in the aroma. An almost candy like sweetness. Medium bodied, and moderately carbonated.

Overall the beer is decent, good but not great. Fairly easy to drink one of; I think it would be tough to get past the sweetness for a second or third pour.

Serving type: on-tap

07-29-2011 19:45:27 | More by CBlack85
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Seattleman

Arizona

2.78/5  rDev -19.4%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Bottled 06/10/10

A: Very dark reddish-brown with a tan and bubbly head. Great look to the beer.

S: Not a very strong nose. Faintly sweet soda-pop like smell of overripe fruit.

T: More sweet than sour, with a metallic after taste. While tartness is detected, expected something much more sour given the style.

M: Light with mild carbonation. Enjoyable.

O: Drinkable, but overly sweet. Could only drink one, had better Flanders style before. Might be an affordable segue into sours for those who have never tried them.

Serving type: bottle

07-04-2011 05:17:48 | More by Seattleman
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DavidST

Texas

2.95/5  rDev -14.5%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured from a 11.2 oz bottle, date 5/10/10 into a tulip glass.

This is a very good looking beer nice dark brown color with red edges and a nice foamy light brownish head. The smell is pretty light, there are some of the flanders sour smell, a little kriek cherry smell, a little sweet. Mouth feel is light, highly carbonated. The taste is okay, its a little sweet, some fruits almost tart but everything is too mellow, then a weird after flavor, this is definitely missing the ultra sour / tart kick that I was expecting from this style. Overall, I was looking for a cheaper Flanders Red besides La Folie and Duchesse De Bourgogne, but sadly this is just too toned down for me to get again, I'll stick with the Duchesse.

Serving type: bottle

07-02-2011 01:36:53 | More by DavidST
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womencantsail

California

2.2/5  rDev -36.2%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

On-tap at Sour Fest

A: The pour is a dark amber-red color with an off-white/khaki head.

S: Not a very good nose. Everything about it seems fake and artificial. It's also very sweet. Lots of prune juice, grape juice, overripe cherries, and raisins. I don't really even get any tartness.

T: Second verse, same as the first. The flavor is just horrendously sweet, to the point of cloying. Prunes, raisins, grape juice (Manischewitz, maybe?), cherries, and a healthy dose of sugar for good measure.

M: Mediumin body with a medium carbonation. It's nearing syrup territory.

O: This was dreadful stuff. No thanks.

Serving type: on-tap

06-30-2011 15:26:37 | More by womencantsail
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specksnreds

Texas

3.6/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dark cherry cola look with little or no smell. What I do smell is malt vinegar. Head is fluffy, tan and plenty bubbly. Tastes like cooked dark cherries and sweet malt. Tart fruit from start to finish with a cola-like finish. A bit sweet, but a nice sipper after dinner. I like this beer.

Serving type: bottle

06-24-2011 23:31:21 | More by specksnreds
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BeerImmediately

Pennsylvania

1.88/5  rDev -45.5%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Picked up on a whim, and regretting I did so.

Poured into Duvel tulip at about 45 degrees. 2F of bubbly cream-colored head which quickly lowers to a film over a crimson-to-brown colored body. TONS of visible carbonation.

There's almost no aroma here - none of the classic Flanders Red. Got cardboard, earth, and prunes.

Flavor is quite disappointing. Rotten dark fruits, touch of vinous quality - sort of like a carbonated version of a kids grape juice box that's been rotting in the sun for a few weeks.

Mouthfeel is pretty thin, with far too much carbonation. No tart pull. And overshadowed by the bad flavor.

I'm hoping I just got a bad bottle, because if this is how the brewers release this, they should just pack it in.

Serving type: bottle

06-18-2011 22:54:57 | More by BeerImmediately
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samie85

Illinois

3.15/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Reviewed from notes; originally 4/15/11.

A-Pours a ruby-tinged marron with two fingers of white head.

S-Smells of tart cherries with a bit of oak and some light, sweet malt.

T-The roasted barley is evident from the start with some slight vinegary notes.

M-Pretty smooth and mouth-coating feel with low carbonation for the style.

D-Very easy drinking but steers a little too close to cloying for the style.

Serving type: bottle

05-29-2011 02:31:43 | More by samie85
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Rassputtin

Pennsylvania

3.85/5  rDev +11.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

330 ml bottle
28/06/10 09:43

Pours an amber red almost no head that is gone immediately.

Smells great. It is sweet but tart and sour. Smells a little bready and fruity.

It tastes much like it smells. Starts fruity and tart like a sour but ends up bready.

Mouthfeels is good a little carbonationy. Not heavy at all. Starts smooth and ends pretty smooth.

Overall a pretty good beer. Worth a try for sure and definitely A pick above many others.

Serving type: bottle

05-25-2011 00:58:02 | More by Rassputtin
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ElGordo

Oregon

3.73/5  rDev +8.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the 750ml champagne bottle into a Liefmans chalice. Body is a pretty reddish brown color with some ruby highlights, topped by a half inch of creamy, off-white head that leaves a good bit of lacing all around the whole glass.
Aroma of light, bready malt, sweet fruit (cherry and fig), and a hint of vinegary sourness. Palate is fruit-forward with lots of cherry sweetness and a bready malt base. A mild sourness lingers on the finish. Body is light, creamy, and just a bit sticky. While not nearly as sour as some other Flemish reds, this is still a very tasty little number.

Serving type: bottle

05-24-2011 05:17:13 | More by ElGordo
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Knapp85

Pennsylvania

3.63/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Has a deep amber colored pour with a cream colored head. Just a little bit of lacing. The smell is a little bit of sweet and sour mixed. The flavor is a little sour at first but fades away quickly into a sweet more drinkable liquid. The mouthfeel is pretty light and doesn't have a ton of carbonation. Overall it's not bad bit it's nothing great like a true Flanders Red. I could drink this again if I came across it one day.

Serving type: on-tap

05-17-2011 21:53:18 | More by Knapp85
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pokesbeerdude

Colorado

3/5  rDev -13%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

750ml bottle purchased from Wilbur's in Ft. Collins. Around $8. Cork dates this as 2010. Into a NB Globe. Bottle notes this as 5.2%.

A: Cola colored beer with about half an inch of light tan head that disappears almost as quickly as it arrives. Leaves a few spots of lacing. A few islands of bubbles remain. Lots of red highlights when held to the light.

S: Brown malts, a slightly vinous note, not any real funk or acetic acid notes that I had expected. Slight bit of cherries and vanilla. There are a few light tart notes. Smells decent but not quite what I was hoping for.

T: Again very sweet smelling with just a little bit of a tart finish, really faint though. Notes of vanilla and cherries, some brown malt sweetness, and a slightly musty character to it as well. Slightly metallic finish on the end. Pretty average.

M: Light bodied, and way overcarbonated. Finish is fairly dry, a little bit of stickiness on the lips as well.

O: There are better examples of this style of beer out there. This is just not a great one. I could see new people to beer liking this, but it just doesn't do much for me. Not offensive just a pretty average beer.

Serving type: bottle

05-15-2011 02:47:56 | More by pokesbeerdude
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sweemzander

Illinois

3.38/5  rDev -2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

11.2oz. bottle poured into a stemmed glass. 28/06/10 printed on the bottle.

(A)- Pours a very dark and deep burnt sienna color. Produced a great cap of off-white frothy head. Great retention. Lots of lace left behind.

(S)- Very dry and oaky. Earthy and funky too. Barely any acidity, sourness, or fruit detected.

(T)- Better than the smell led me to believe. Some good bits of vinous-like fruits and a mild vinegar-like acidity in front of a dry oaky funk finish.

(M)- A nice mellow carbonation level. A nice balance of fruit, oak, and funk. Very mellow on the sour/acidity level.

(D)- Not a whole lot going on with this, but it sure goes down easy. My bottle didnt last long since its so mellow. A decent cheap flanders that fits the style easy enough, but like i said: Its very mellow on flavor.

Serving type: bottle

05-08-2011 14:10:35 | More by sweemzander
Bourgogne Des Flandres from Brouwerij Timmermans-John Martin N.V.
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