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Samichlaus Bier Helles - Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg

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Reviews: 224
Hads: 380
Avg: 3.75
pDev: 20%
Wants: 22
Gots: 55 | FT: 0
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Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  14.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: mikesgroove on 11-25-2007

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Photo of tatoodkelt
3.03/5  rDev -19.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

Consumed 2/15/2010- from notes.

11.2oz brown bottle as pictured poured into a shaker glass. 2007 vintage.

I would not have known this was a doppelbock til I looked here.

A- Very vibrant, clear copper topped off with a one finger, tight bubbled, white head that faded pretty quick to a patchy skim. Random carbination bubbles make there way up very slowly.

S- Some maltiness but mostly candy sweet.

T- Big malt flavor up front, very much like a scotch ale at first with a little earthy smokiness. As the malt fades its replaced by a sweet boozy flavor that dominates the flavor. Also seems to pick up a little almost metallic taste.

M- Medium bodied, a little sticky and very mild carbination.

D- I loved the initial malt flavor but couldnt take what it changed into. Definitely wouldnt have more than one in a sitting, I barely made it through this one.

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Photo of coalcracker
3.04/5  rDev -18.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

Appearance: Bottled in 2007. Pours a slightly cloudy golden color with carbonation quickly settling down.
Smell: Aroma is sweet with notes of dark fruits (eg raisin, currant, a little black licorice).
Taste: Very sweet at the onset with those dark fruits building mid-taste. Very sweet indeed, almost cloying. A mild alcohol warmth presents at the end, but overall is fairly well-hidden despite a 14% abv.
Mouthfeel: Fairly thick and chewy mouthfeel- as a doppelbock should be.
Drinkability: A sipper at 14%. Between this and its sweetness, a fast consumption would be foolhardy.

Overall: A bit too sweet for me. OK brew. Able to finish the bottle, but will not be thirsting for another anytime soon.

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Photo of BeerSox
3.05/5  rDev -18.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

12oz bottle into pilsner glass.

Clear straw hue with a thin white head that slowly settles to a rim along the glass.

Grainy aroma with a good amount of alcohol in there.

Grainy flavors with a slight candy like flavor, similar to an Eisbock. Mild hop flavor. The alcohol is perceived well. Full bodied with medium carbonation. The sweet grains linger in the flavor.

The drinkability of this beer is pretty low. All alcohol and no flavor. I can detect the "Munich Helles" behind it, but it's not as subtle as I would like.

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Photo of mdfb79
3.1/5  rDev -17.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle into a pint glass. Bottled in 2007.

a - Pours a murky orangish/amber color with low carbonation and about a half inch of white head that quickly leaves.

s - Smells of sweet, dark fruits including plums, raisins, and maybe cherries. Also some oak, malts, and booze, although not as much as I was expecting considering it is 14% ABV.

t - Dark fruits, booze, malts, some spices, and maybe a tiny bit of chocolate even. The alcohol was a lot more prominent in the taste than it was in the nose.

m - Medium body with low carbonation. Some alcohol warmth, but not as much as you'd think considering it's 14% ABV.

d - Middle of the road for me. I enojoyed the smell more than the taste, as the alcohol came out a little too much in the taste and feel to me. I have one bottle left that is in my cellar that I plan on holding onto for a few years to see what happens, but right now I wouldn't look to drink it again.

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Photo of Knapp85
3.1/5  rDev -17.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

This has a pretty surprising color for a Doppelbock, This beer has a very nice honey golden color with a head that fades rather quickley. The 14% abv is hardly hidden in my opinion. It's a strong tasting beer, as it should be I just don't know how much I enjoy the flavors the Helles gives off. The mouthfeel of this is on the thicker side. Nothing too heavy but not watery either. Personally i like the darker version much better but thats in the eye of the beholder.

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Photo of BuckeyeNation
3.13/5  rDev -16.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

"The World's Most Extraordinary Beverage."


Bottled in 2007 (the first since 1986). Radiant tangerine with barely one finger of ivory colored cream created on the high-altitude pour. Guess we can blame the high ABV and the lack of hop resins for the diminutive crown... that is now nearly gone. Needless to day, no lace is seen on the snifter.

The nose makes almost no impact. At least not of a positive nature. Each sniff delivers very lightly toasted pale grains with a surprisingly subtle contribution from ethanol. Not sure what the flavor hook is going to be.

Samichlaus Helles tastes like a higher-quality malt liquor. In fact, is says 'malt liquor' right there on the label. Yeah, probably just some government regulation or some such. It's definitely sweet and the alcohol is buried better than expected.

As feared, there isn't much here to get excited about from a flavor standpoint. Tons of dark malts (big stouts) and tons of hops (IPAs) are right in my wheelhouse, but tons of pale malt has never really done it for me. Specifics include rock candy, lightly toasted bread soaked in sugar syrup, and a splash of honey (mead-like). Simple as a stone.

The mouthfeel finds that sweet-spot between big enough and not too big. It's fullish and lush without being ponderous, and the bubbles are finely spritzy... which works because they're softened by all the malt sugars.

Samichlaus Helles, in my humble opinion, is light years away from being the world's most extraordinary beverage. It's a decent sipper if you're into high-octane beer, but that's where it ends. I'm okay if Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg wants to wait another 21 years between bottlings.

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Photo of searsclone
3.16/5  rDev -15.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: poured from a bottle into a snifter. No head on this beer whatsoever, very few bubbles in the golden colored liquid

S: some friut in the aroma, and sweet alcohol

T: sweet, maybe mable and brown sugar, and earthy with a flash of alcohol right before swallowing

M: very syrupy, surprisingly fizzy considering the appearance

D: for a high alcohol beer, I find it to be very drinkable

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Photo of Floydster
3.17/5  rDev -15.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

11.2 ounce bottle purchased from Stuffed Sandwich for around seven dollars, 2008 vintage, split with my dad last night, poured into my Duvel tulip glass

A-Golden orangish amber color with some golden yellow highlights, one inch foamy white head, decent retention, some lacing
S-Alcohol, honey, sweetness, lots of citrus, caramel, good amount of malt, toasted bread
T-Starts off hot with a lot of booze, sweet malts and other fruit in the middle, slightly toasted in the finish but still a big boozy flavor, this becomes so damn sweet that I can barely get it down towards the end, honey comes out later and adds to the sweetness and booze
M-Hot, sweet, and slightly toasted mouthfeel, medium to full bodied, carbonation is on the softer side which surprised me after seeing the head, taste lingers too long
D-Should have shared this with one or two more people, alcohol is not hidden at all and really affects its drinkability, overly sweet all the way through, very filling and reminds me a little of cough syrup at various times

Not my favorite dopplebock and quite light in color for the style, originally thought this was a hopped up version of a Helles Lager and I seemed to be wrong after the very first sip I took, not in a hurry to drink this again, a little too strong in my opinion, worth trying

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Photo of Rayek
3.2/5  rDev -14.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

From a 2007 vintage bottle poured into a snifter.

A: Garnet tinged amber with a big, yet short lived eggshell cap. The head recedes to a ring at the beer's edge and leaves no lace.

S: Sweet and boozy. Brown sugar, caramel and toffee do most of the aroma work. A hefty dose of alcohol provides balance to the sweet and a powerful tingle to the nostrils.

T: Extremely sweet out of the gate. Brown sugar and toffee dominate. Bitterness is minimal and has just a bit of pepper to it. Alcohol adds a ton of heat and helps balance the sweet flavors. The brown sugar lingers through the finish. The beer ends very hot.

M: The medium-heavy body is super syrupy and has light carbonation.

D: Um....yeah. This beer is too over the top for its own good. The extreme alcohol heat and cloying sweetness make this beer a night cap at best.

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Photo of ChainGangGuy
3.21/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pours a clear, honey-colored body with a tiny white head.

Smell: Sweetish, candylike aroma with notes of peach schnapps, sugar-coated matls, and booze.

Taste: Sugary sweet malts with a taste of dark fruits soaked in alcohol. The beer gives you a sly wink then pours some grain alcohol down your gullet. Slight peppery hint. Sweetness of the finish doesn't disguise its harshness.

Mouthfeel: Medium-bodied. Medium carbonation. Slight stickiness.

Drinkability: Many of these high ABV beers are a joy to drink and deftly hide their alchol amidst a truly succulent taste. The Samichlaus Helles is neither of those! As with its darker brother, hopefully some time locked away will bring some sense to it.

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Photo of dedrinker
3.23/5  rDev -13.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

Light honey/ gold color with virtually no head and little carbonation. The aroma was that of sweet malt and alcohol. My girlfriend (the veterinary technician) claimed she smelled male rat musk. Hmm. Serious rubbing alcohol flavor bringing up secondary aromas of new band-aids. As the beer warmed up there was a more pronounced flavor of honey/ mead, and then aroma turned into an urban alley frequented by beer drinking bladder relievers. There was good and bad in this. I don't think it wise for a beer with so much alcohol to be attempted with such lighter malts, as all manner of trouble shows through.

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Photo of bonkers
3.23/5  rDev -13.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

I poured from a 11.2 ounce bottle, 2009, into a snifter. The color is medium caramel with a fizzy 1 inch white head, no lacing. The aroma is sweet with lots of astringent alcohol. This beer is very sweet and has very hot alcohol, kinda out of balance. It finishes with dates and raisins. The body is medium and the carbonation is good. IMO this is a mess, too much alcohol, very overpowering. Maybe lay it down for a year, but I will not buy it again.

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Photo of Homers_Beer_Odyssey
3.25/5  rDev -13.3%

APPEARANCE - Dark red-amber with a 1-finger head that lasts. Good lacing.

AROMA/SCENT - Sweet, floral, herbaceous.

TASTE - Sweet, floral, herbaceous. Spices. Boozy. Lights you up immediately.

MOUTHFEEL/PALATE/TEXTURE - Gooey. Little carbonation.

VALUE - Reasonable.

OVERALL/DRINKABILITY - I did not like this beer. At best, sippable.

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Photo of irishevans
3.25/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

I am by NO means a Helles Bock expert, so this is my mucho ignorant review. a transparent gold/amber color, no head just a haze here and there. smells very sweet borderline barley wine smell. tastes like a weak barley wine sweet, tangy, but not a "whoa" neck-twisting finish. the mouth-feel is kind of tart, a nice kind of tart though, and a bit crisp as well. as for drinkability it's not such a quick drinker, or a multiple bottle in a night kind of beer. i will drink this again, but in about 5 to 10 years, once it has had time to mature.

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Photo of bucklemyshoe
3.27/5  rDev -12.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

11.2 oz. bottle at 42* into a snifter.

A: This pours a clear, dark-red color with no head to speak of.

S: It is mostly overtaken by alcohol but there are notes of cherry, raisins, and sugary caramel.

T: It consists of cherry, figs, brown sugar, and lots of alcohol.

M: This is very sweet without being very thick. Strange.

D: If this had only 10-11% abv, I think it would be much better.

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Photo of cpetrone84
3.3/5  rDev -12%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Not sure if this is the right beer but I have a 14% abv. bottle that says Samichlaus on it. It is brewed only once a year on Dec. 6th after being aged for 10 months.

A-the beer pours a dark copper color with red edges. the head is tan colored but very thin and almost not existent dissipating immediately.

S-the nose is extremely sweet, tons of brown sugar and carmelized candy notes. hints of dark cherries and some ripe plum, notes of bourbon in the finish.

T-the taste is extremely sweet. carmelized brown sugar, tons of candied sugar, notes of caramel malt, some dark cherries, fig, and ripe plum and set underneath all of the sugar. this is huge flavor but so sweet.

M-extremely smooth and o so syrupy. this is full bodied, thick and viscous. a little low on carbonation to lack a strong finish and actually slightly astringent pucking the lips somewhat.

D-this is just too sweet to really enjoy. it has some nice flavors; but all of the sugar and sweetness in this make it almost difficult to drink. the huge abv is hidden very well, however.

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Photo of plfahey
3.31/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12 oz. bottle poured into a tulip glass.

Appearance-Medium gold color, brilliant clarity. Very thin off-white head with low retention. Shows some legs.

Aroma-Pale, bready malts. Very light dried fruit (raisins) aroma and whiff of alcohol.

Flavor-Rich malt and fruit flavors-sweet up front with notes of bread and toast. Raisins, plums, and other fruit flavors definitely present. Alcohol presence is large, and is at times hot/solventy.

Mouthfeel-Medium full, moderately low carbonation. Definite alcohol warmth.

This one might smooth out after a couple years, but fresh, the alcohol is just too hot. Boozy, and not very sneaky about it. There are some good notes, but the alcohol is too much.

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Photo of Brad007
3.31/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 2 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Wow, 14%?

Pours a nice light amber color with a one-finger head and what appears to be ample carbonation.

Aroma is sweet with a strong whiff of alcohol in the nose. A bit of tart apple comes through as well for some reason. Not quite as dark as a doppelbock though.

Taste is strong and very malty upfront. Almost a bit too sweet as well. Alcohol is hidden enough in the back but the sweetness is too much for me.

Sweetness lingers on the palate followed by nothing but alcohol.

This is definitely a bit too sweet. I was expecting a malt bomb (good) but instead this seems like a sugar bomb (bad). I'm not sure how well it would age but I'm sure it'd be sickly sweet by then.

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Photo of lordofthewiens
3.32/5  rDev -11.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

A 750ml bottle shared with my wife. It didn't look like a doppelbock, being a pretty light amber color with a small white head. Caramel malt and honey aroma. The alcohol hits you in the face when you take a sip, followed by a strong malt presence, and a pervasive incredible sweetness. This beer was way too sweet, and the alcohol was way too intrusive. I doubt I'll be drinking this beer again.

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Photo of Metalmonk
3.34/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Shimmering golden-peach color with stunning clarity. The head is particularly light and wispy, tiny bubbles and really airy, almost like dish soap. Thick head initially but it thinned to a crown in a matter of seconds. So quick it was like watching something in time-lapse. Just a little swirl and you can see this will be sludgier, chewier, and heftier than your usual beer.

Aroma is fruity, ultra-sweet and medicinal, but the alcohol rears its head too aggressively. A real nostril-flaring aftershave attack. Once it started to singe my nose-hairs, I couldn't get past it and couldn't smell much else. Maybe peach-dunked moonshine. Unappealing.

Flavor is also reminiscent of moonshine made with Indian peaches and sugar. More like schnapps or other liqueurs than beer, but that's the beauty of it. Sharp peach, sharp sugar, huge alcohol glow, chalky honey, not balanced and not subtle. Huge fruit/sugar/syrup overload. More alcohol in the finish. A slow sipper, one that benefits from hardly any chill at all.

Unsurprisingly syrupy texture with just the right amount of carbonation to keep it from choking you on thickness. A wonderful presence in the mouth, and probably the best aspect of this creation.

How is this a doppelbock? Imperial Maibock is more like it, although that's just my own silly interpretation. Whatever the case, don't pick up the red-label Helles if you're expecting the normal Samichlaus--this ain't it (and that's better). It's enjoyable to some degree and there's something to be said for being able to make an 11.2 oz. bottle last some 90 minutes or so. Proceed with caution--it's not the greatest of the big classic big beers.

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Photo of Proteus93
3.35/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Finally picked up the Helles, though I have had the other several times. It seemed about time. This was a 2007 brew.

A: Honey golden, nice and clear, though head struggles to form, and is quite bubbly and soapy when it does. The alcohol content is likely to blame for it, but it's worth noting.

S + T: Malty sweetness, some notes of fruitiness - a little fig and the like. Quite a notable alcohol aroma, and it's actually probably one of the biggest scents. The flavour is very similar, also with a bit of a papery note. Overall, it comes across a little more boozy than flavourful.

M + D: Body is a little thin, but fairly hot, giving it a chemical-quality... it's not horribly bad, but it doesn't seem to perform as well as its equally strong brother. I don't know if I'd readily go back for another... it seemed to lack some of the complexity that the other can showcase, and was something of a disappointment, ultimately.

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Photo of avalon07
3.35/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Poured from a bottle to a mug. Had an amber color and a somewhat thin texture. Not much head or lacing to speak of.

The malt came through the most in the smell. Very sharp an tangy.

This is where it gets interesting. When you first take a sip of this, you'll get the malt. When it finishes you get a big dose of the alcohol. It was very strong and pungent.

Nicely carbonated, but, as I said, the finish is a bit on the harsh side. A decent mouthfeel.

Overall, this is not a beer I'd pursue ever again. Yes, it's undeniably complex, but the taste is a little on the tough side.

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Photo of Schwarzwald
3.36/5  rDev -10.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

This is a surprising beer. Very high ABV but it is very hard to notice through the taste. I like the sweetness of plum and raisin, but there is a little depth missing for me. It has a lot of flavor, but maybe not the right flavor for me. I wish it had a little smokiness and/or oakiness, might be just what it needs. Now, don't get me wrong, I like it a lot, I am just looking for perfection out of "The World's Most Extraordinary Beverage".

High ABV = 11%

Definitely give it a try though!

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Photo of bilyboy65
3.37/5  rDev -10.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Bottled in 2007.

A: Pours a dark golden color with a thick head. The head does not stay around long leaving very little lacing. The beer leaves a heavy film on the glass that does linger. Little carbonation can be seen.

S: Very sweet malts. Smells of powder sugar, honey, bready yeast and alcohol.

T: Very complex taste, but also I found the flavors to be contradicting. Starts of with a sugary honey alcohol taste. This gives way to a bready and floral flavor. As the beer warms to room temperature it seems to start giving off hints of peaches. Finishes with a tart aftertaste. Some sips I really enjoyed and others were just ok.

M: Heavy on the pallet and leaves behind a heavy film. Very smooth as there is little carbonation.

D: Enjoyed more sips then didn't. Due to the heft and oiliness of the beer I can't see having to many in one sitting. Plus with the 14% you might not be able to stand after 2 bottles. Very good after dinner beer as a desert.

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Photo of PerzentRizen
3.37/5  rDev -10.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Poured this high gravity beer into a brandy snifter. There is almost no carbonation. A thin lacing forms and then dissapates quickly. I can definately smell the 14% ABV from a foot away. I actually drank two of these previous to this review. I think one could age this beer for a few years with no problem. I would love to try one of these 2007 releases every Christmas day for a few years and see how it changes.

The nose on this one is fruity. I think this one might actually taste sweet. I am wondering if I will even be able to taste the hops.

The first taste is like pure syrup without sugar. The liquid, if you can call it that, rolls across the tongue and doesn't want to go down without a fight. This has the bite of a dry sherry and the thickness of 5W30.

The flavor is of high alcohol and big fruit. I would love to drink another, but 1) I don't have another one and 2) I don't think I could get the cap off - this one hits kinda hard. Drink this one slowly and carefully by the fire or after a huge meal - this would be a great digestive.

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Samichlaus Bier Helles from Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg
85 out of 100 based on 224 ratings.