Samichlaus Bier Helles - Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg

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374 Ratings
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Ratings: 374
Reviews: 226
rAvg: 3.76
pDev: 15.43%
Wants: 21
Gots: 54 | FT: 0
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Austria

Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  14.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: mikesgroove on 11-25-2007

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Photo of Zorro
3.97/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Clear and golden colored Bock with but slight head formation, probably the high alcohol content.

Smell is very fruity with lots of esters from the fermentation. Little bit of grain scent, smells like a Rye Whiskey in this respect. Little bit of Nobel hop spice in here as well.

The taste starts out sweet and fruit with just a mild bitterness. VERY fruity aftertaste here. Good amount of grain flavor but this is a fruity bock beer. Hop is doing nothing here except sweetness cleanup.

Mouthfeel is light, got to be the alcohol diluting out the carbohydrates.

Definitely a sipper of a beer, strong Juju Magic here. This is OK but at $8 for the bottle, I will be drinking Firestone Union Jack a lot more than this one.

Photo of rhoadsrage
4.1/5  rDev +9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

(Served in a snifter)
2010 on bottle
A- This beer pours a crystal clear deep orange hue with a bubbly snow white head and a good carbonation of microbubbles

S- The smell of fresh sweet pale malt and wort has a bit of a husky note to it and a yeasty ester finish that smells like pencil lead.

T- The big sweet candy wort has some fruity ester character to follow and a dry finish. There is a hone malt sweetness and a touch of bitterness in the finish that come through as the beer warms.

M- This beer has a medium mouthfeel with a very warm alcohol character in the finish.

O- The big sweetness and big alcohol balance into a delicious beer candy with nice fresh wort flavors. As the beer warms a bit too much it gets fusel heat but that is only the last few sips.

Photo of John_M
3.55/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

On tap at Max's the other day.

The beer pours a bright gold color with minimal head retention and lacing. Don't get a lot on tbe nose either, though there is a hint of sweet malt and spice. On the palate this beer is VERY sweet, but with some interesting cherry, honey and vanilla. Coupled with the high alcohol, the sweetness makes this beer a bit cloying and heavy. Drinkability is where this beer really suffers, though I was able to finish the glass given enough time.

An interesting beer, though I'm not sure I'd want to order it again. The combination of sweetness and high alcohol is just too much, and make this a difficult beer to drink.

Photo of jdhilt
4.22/5  rDev +12.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Pours a thin layer, white head that fades quickly leaving no lace. Crystal clear amber color. Very light carbonation and medium bodied. Nose is sugar and hints of alcohol, flavor is smooth and sweet, dark fruit, almost cloying. Similar to their classic. NOT a session beer - the 14% ABV is noticeable . . . savor this beer. $5.99 for a 330ml bottle, from Julio's Liquors Westborough, MA. Bottled in 2012.

Photo of Axnjxn
3.85/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

2010 bottle poured into a DFH pint glass.

Pours a very light brown color with a light white head on it. Smell is sweet and bready. Malts dominate the aroma, no alcohol on the nose. Taste is sweet as well, also quite malty and bready. It is definitely a doppelbock but is a bit too sweet for my liking. Alcohol is not detectable on the palate but is quite detectable after swallowing this beer. Mouthfeel is medium bodied with a medium carbonation. Drink ability is pretty good for a beer of such ABV.

Overall too sweet for me but quite drinkable for a beer with such high alcohol. On the bottle this is described as malt liquor! Wouldnt buy again but not unhappy that i tried it.

Photo of Wasatch
4.5/5  rDev +19.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks goes out to Hojaminbag for this brew.

11.2 oz. Bottle
Bottled In: 2007

Pours a very nice clean/clear golden color, very nice carbonation, nice little fizzy off-white head, with some nice sticky lacing left behind. The nose is malty, sweet, nice little spice note, and caramel. The taste is sweet, malty, alittle spicy, with some nice caramel notes. Medium Body. Very Drinkable, this one is very tasty, a true delight. Thanks Ben.

Photo of dcmchew
3.73/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.75

bottled in 2012;
Pours light brown to red, like cranberry juice, with low head and fizz, no retention.
Smells of really sweet dark fruit, apricot, burnt sugar, licorice and booze.
Taste is extremely sweet, with cloying syrups, but not totally unbereable. Huge caramel, spiced with licorice and candi sugar, and hints of honey also. Dark fruitiness mostly (cherries, strawberries, plums) with hints of ripe apricot and peach, also a slight citrus crispness, nicely fighting the sweetness. Malts are quite pale, biscuity, a tiny bit toasted. Sweetness covers the spices, leaving just hints of vanilla and faint anise and minty sage. Alcohol is hidden, no, actually covered, by the big sweetness, so it's not extremely boozy for the very high abv. Hops provide the mildly bitter finish, bu the aftertaste consists mostly of the cloying sugar and booze.
After a while the entire head and lacing disappears, weird, but there's still a little fizz. Watery and sweet, like a fruit syrup drink.
Don't know what to say about it exactly, probably should have tried an older vintage, pretty sure it would have been way better. Will buy one to set aside for a while.

Photo of JohnGalt1
3.4/5  rDev -9.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Just had the regular Samichlaus while working on stuff for tomorrow... The Helles seems like a natural follower. I've never had this before despite buying them for the cellar... This is an '07.

My Delirium goblet is glowing clear orange.. the head was pretty much nonexistent...

Nose is pretty boozy with thick and sweet pale malt.... sugar cookies... hints of fruitiness... lite white peaches.

Flavor has all the aromas with an encompassing golden raisin essence.. some honey notes.. thick and malty... there could be some spicy hoppiness that is wrecked by the booze... like some grappa was thrown into some peach juice honey water concoction... almost like somebody boiled down a maibock and spiked it with yeast.

The body and carbonation are the same as the regular Sami... but overall, this is turning into a chore... the drinkability is lost on the fact that it is very one dimensional..

The bad thing is, despite my review, I will continue to pick these up time to time, just so I can let them age.. but I am sure they will get no better (stoopid stoopid beer hoarder mentality).... I'm not dum... I'm a kollektor.

3.5/3.5/3.5/3.5/3

Edit: looking at other reviews, I get no "caramel" or toffee.. instead, it is just a verging on cloying pale maltiness.

Photo of Evil_Pidde
4.69/5  rDev +24.7%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A: A small head, light and airy. The color of the beer is deep golden.

S: Out of this world; the sweet dark dried fruits reign supreme. The smell could as easily been from a Port. The well-balanced malt and the high ABV make the a very complex beer.

T: Very nice; a thick syrupy sweetness from a very powerful maltyness. Lots of dark dried fruits; apricots, raisins and figs. Also a fresh fruitness in the back. Very complex.

M: A short sweet aftertaste, not that surprising though, considering the ABV and style. The body is so thick and the carbonation is almost non-excisting.

O: I've had lots of dark Samichlaus - this is my first pale one. The only thing that could improve this beer is a couple of years cellaring - but my character is too weak...

Photo of Viggo
3.6/5  rDev -4.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12 oz bottle picked up at Premier Gourmet in Buffalo, good nightcap!

Pours a clear amber/golden, decently sized white head for the ABV forms, quickly settles to a thin ring, no lacing, some legs on the glass, looks nice. Smell is very sweet and boozy, candi sugar, corny syrup, caramel, alcohol, lots of sweet tropical fruits, a bit buttery, bready, but very sweet, melons, not too bad. Taste is similar, very sweet, sugary, candy, melons, tropical mango and grilled pineapple, alcohol is actually pretty well restrained, bit of malt comes through in the middle, some butterscotch, bit of bready, spicy alcohol finish, lots of fruit. Mouthfeel is thick, very full bodied, almost syrupy, low carbonation, big alcohol heat but not as bad as I would have thought, in line with the regular Samichlaus which amazed me too with how easy it is to drink. The helles is a bit hotter like malt liquor, kind of tastes like a more refined version of Max Ice, but isn't too bad for the ABV.

Photo of Bitterbill
3.85/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottled in 2007.

Very deep golden coloured brew, it has a very small head of foam that is pretty much just lacing, and that's shrinking quickly.

I smelling a lot of caramel malt sweetness, yes toasted malt as it says on the label, and a lot of alcohol. I'm getting some warming just smelling it.

The taste *is* intensely sweet along with some toasted flavours that are pretty well hidden by that sweet factor. Hmm..I dig how malty it is though it is on my threshold of how sweet a beer can be and I can still enjoy it. I gotta say that though there's plenty of warming, the alcohol isn't that obvious in the taste. I'm enjoying every sip I take..

I'd call it full bodied with fairly light carbonation though that seems to vary with every sip; I'll call it on the high end of light.

An enjoyable sipper for the 1 bottle. No way would I have another even if I *had* another bottle at my disposal.;^)

Photo of cjgator3
2.85/5  rDev -24.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

11.2oz bottle poured into a chalice. Pours a golden orange color with a very thin white head that quickly disappears. The aroma features some malt, a touch of caramel and a good whiff of alcohol. The taste to no surprise starts out smooth and malty and finishes with a warming alcohol punch. I am not a huge fan of this offering, it is just not my thing.

Photo of Brad007
3.31/5  rDev -12%
look: 2 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Wow, 14%?

Pours a nice light amber color with a one-finger head and what appears to be ample carbonation.

Aroma is sweet with a strong whiff of alcohol in the nose. A bit of tart apple comes through as well for some reason. Not quite as dark as a doppelbock though.

Taste is strong and very malty upfront. Almost a bit too sweet as well. Alcohol is hidden enough in the back but the sweetness is too much for me.

Sweetness lingers on the palate followed by nothing but alcohol.

This is definitely a bit too sweet. I was expecting a malt bomb (good) but instead this seems like a sugar bomb (bad). I'm not sure how well it would age but I'm sure it'd be sickly sweet by then.

Photo of scruffwhor
3.97/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 750 ml swing top bottle.

Pours a clear caramel with no head or bubbling Makes me think cognac, not a dopplebock. Very cool looking. Caramel drizzled strawberries, pears, and peaches with a spanking of alcohol that makes presence known, but is well intergrated. Carameled and sugared peaches starts the flavor off right. Lots of other soft yet sugary sweet fruits dance around the palate with a turbocharge of alcohol. Lots of sweetness with this palate, very syrupy.The alcohol helps cu the iscociy a little. Any bitterness you notice is not from hops, but the 14% abv. Great sipping beer. One of the best sipping lagers I've ever had.

Photo of glid02
3.72/5  rDev -1.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bought from Green's in Atlanta.

Pours a light copper color with virtually no head. After the beer settles, there are a few bubbles hanging onto the glass for dear life, but that's it.

Smells very sweet, a honey smell dominates everything else, and there's a faint tinge of alcohol that increases as the beer warms.

This beer tastes very sweet. The honey is most prevalent, but it seems as if there's a hint of sweet grapes in there. The alcohol is not very noticeable, impressive for its ABV. The alcohol does become more evident as you get to the bottom of the glass.

The mouthfeel is nothing special, good carbonation and decently smooth, but that's about it.

The drinkability should be way up there because the alcohol is so well hidden, but the sweetness is just too overpowering.

Worth trying, but if it has to be one or the other I'd go for the Bier.

Photo of avalon07
3.35/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Poured from a bottle to a mug. Had an amber color and a somewhat thin texture. Not much head or lacing to speak of.

The malt came through the most in the smell. Very sharp an tangy.

This is where it gets interesting. When you first take a sip of this, you'll get the malt. When it finishes you get a big dose of the alcohol. It was very strong and pungent.

Nicely carbonated, but, as I said, the finish is a bit on the harsh side. A decent mouthfeel.

Overall, this is not a beer I'd pursue ever again. Yes, it's undeniably complex, but the taste is a little on the tough side.

Photo of cpetrone84
3.3/5  rDev -12.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Not sure if this is the right beer but I have a 14% abv. bottle that says Samichlaus on it. It is brewed only once a year on Dec. 6th after being aged for 10 months.

A-the beer pours a dark copper color with red edges. the head is tan colored but very thin and almost not existent dissipating immediately.

S-the nose is extremely sweet, tons of brown sugar and carmelized candy notes. hints of dark cherries and some ripe plum, notes of bourbon in the finish.

T-the taste is extremely sweet. carmelized brown sugar, tons of candied sugar, notes of caramel malt, some dark cherries, fig, and ripe plum and set underneath all of the sugar. this is huge flavor but so sweet.

M-extremely smooth and o so syrupy. this is full bodied, thick and viscous. a little low on carbonation to lack a strong finish and actually slightly astringent pucking the lips somewhat.

D-this is just too sweet to really enjoy. it has some nice flavors; but all of the sugar and sweetness in this make it almost difficult to drink. the huge abv is hidden very well, however.

Photo of tavernjef
4.2/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Clear pale golden coppery color with a bolder center of thickness. A minimal scratchy white head of foam appears briefly to a thin ring and no lacing. Given the malty weight of the brew however, it's not expected.

Aroma is heavy of a slushed over malty tropical mush of warming ethanolic pear, yellow raisin, and apricot.

Warm to the gullet immediately with a malty rich goo of warmth that eludes to a tropical illusion of milding caramel, pear, yellow raisin, and star fruit. A touch of white grape skin dryness perks the finish with a fluff on the tongue of syrupy tropical jam.

Body is slick, bold, filling, warm, sleek, smooth, and more warm. The girth is perfect in its fullness as it lets the malts create a slight stick and chewy aspect behind each warming, hearty sip.

This tremendously malty, sip at, treat is quite nice and tropically set within a gooey mush of yummyness. It will warm any palate quickly and swim any head that drinks it down just as quickly, as it should.

Photo of RoyalT
4.5/5  rDev +19.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance - This is a brilliantly clear slightly darkened orange in color with no head whatsoever due to the massive alcohol content. Sweet.

Smell - The first sense I get is of quality triple sec with a surprising absence of booze. I also am finding a rich but broken down malt base and some sound wood notes without that annoying vanilla fragrance. Nice again.

Taste - The booze comes through a little bit more at the taste as does the orange. The malt from the nose actually steps back a bit making this a big fruity booze-fest. The wood again is quite prominent and dominant.

Mouthfeel - This is medium-bodied with no alcohol sting whatsoever, which is absolutely amazing. There is a fascinating malty bitterness at the very back of the tongue and of course no carbonation at all.

Drinkability - I enjoy the high-octane stuff as anyone who knows me can attest. This is probably the highest quality booze bier that I've ever had. It is incredibly smooth with no sense of alcohol. You wouldn't even know of its high ABV except halfway through the glass you start falling down a lot. Extremely well done - a class act for sure.

Update - I had a chance to review this again in 2010. This is really an incredible beer and worth of the highest regards. It is a masterful effort and incorporates well the record-setting high ABV in a tasty, flavorful beverage.

The flavor is doppelbockesque with a thick, rich, malt base that has a high-octane orange charge in it. What the brewer has mastered though is the blending of the big alcohol and the sweetish malts. It's like a liquid malt love of some kind. Either way it is an amazing production and as a helles DB in a class all by its lonesome self. This is actually one of my favorite beers of all time.

Photo of barczar
3.8/5  rDev +1.1%

Bottled in 07, it pours with large floaties and a modest, foamy head that disappears. Prunes, plums, dates, and figs underlie rich, sweet treacley malt, with notes of toffee surfacing late. Flavor is very sweet, but there's a bitter, dry finish, and sherry notes present themselves in the aftertaste. Figs and plums underlie caramel malt. There's still some alcohol warmth. I was hoping for less sweetness and more complex esters, but still a nice brew.

Photo of lordofthewiens
3.32/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

A 750ml bottle shared with my wife. It didn't look like a doppelbock, being a pretty light amber color with a small white head. Caramel malt and honey aroma. The alcohol hits you in the face when you take a sip, followed by a strong malt presence, and a pervasive incredible sweetness. This beer was way too sweet, and the alcohol was way too intrusive. I doubt I'll be drinking this beer again.

Photo of Pencible
4.12/5  rDev +9.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This poured a clear light copper with a bit of white head. It smelled like an old ale, with heavy honey wheat and and molasses and alcohol, with some apricot hops. It tasted much bigger than the Dunkel or Urbock, like very sweet honey and caramel and cane sugar, with a bit of barley, pineapple, new oak and alcohol. It was slightly thick with no carbonation, and had a sweet aftertaste with a bit of alcohol warming. Overall this was borderline too sweet but was otherwise very tasty. It was clean and had a nice body. The big flavor and noticeable alcohol makes this a definite sipping beer. This was very much like an old ale, which is one of my favorite styles. But I wonder if age would make this one too sweet?

Photo of AgentMunky
4.05/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from 33cL bottle into a pilsner glass.

A: Red amber. No head or bubbles. Just plain pretty.

S: Sour grapes or cranberries, almost like wine verging on vinegar. Strong alcohol with sweet undertones.

T: Strongly, sweetly spicy; lighter than the Samichlaus Classic. The main body is sweet -- peach, apricot, sweet cherries, raw sugar -- but with touches of carbonation and spices (cinnamon, nutmeg, cardamon?). The aftertaste is sweet, long, and kind of sticky.

M: Too sticky for me. Not quite cloying, but almost.

D: Too sweet and too strong to be drinkable, but still really good. Highly recommended, but not as good as the Classic.

Photo of Gmann
2.77/5  rDev -26.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

From a 750ml swing top bottle. Pours a clear pale amber color with minimal head/lacing/cap. The aroma is somewhat faint, notes of juicy fruit and white wine. The taste is sugary sweet, some honey and a bit of berry fruit but really just a sugary alcohol bomb. The feel is light and quite fizzy, very slick and sticky, finishes very sweet and suprisingly astringent. The drinkability is very limited with this one. If you are looking for an after dinner brew, maybe 6oz this might be a fine selection but other than that this is almost undrinkable. Very sweet and the alcohol is not hidden, no malt or hops to help mask the booze. Not all that good. Not sure how dopplebock was decided upon, maybe the first uber imperial helles lager??

Photo of FosterJM
3.42/5  rDev -9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

943rd Review on BA
Bottle to Weizen Glass
12 oz

2007 Bottling

Purchased from: Mass Bev, Lawrence, KS

App- A good bit of a dark apple juice color with a little bit of gold/yellow if you will. A small impish 1/2 finger head presented and faded quickly. No cling or lace. A good bit of floaties in the glass.

Smell- Much like a mead in strength with a lot of malt and sweetness behind it. The sweetness and ABV really comes out easily even for a 4 year old bottle. A little bit of honey, vanilla, and oak from the aging.

Taste- This is more along the lines of what 120 felt like. A gigantic malt bomb with a little sweetness behind it. Another example of a bottle I am glad is 12 oz. This was sweet, malty, booze and a little one sided. Tasted pretty good but needed little sips to get through it.

Mouth- Medium bodied and a medium low carbonation. A bit harsh smooth with a duality of malt and sweet battling for rights to the palate on this one.

Drink- Overall, I felt this was a pretty average attempt at a beer with some age. Yes the ABV is well above normal, but needs more smooth vs. harsh and more flavor besides sweet. I am glad this was on sale when I got in KS. No need for full retail on this bottle.

Samichlaus Bier Helles from Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg
85 out of 100 based on 374 ratings.