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Samichlaus Bier Helles - Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg

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85
very good

334 Ratings
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Ratings: 334
Reviews: 213
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 15.47%
Wants: 17
Gots: 49 | FT: 1
Brewed by:
Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg visit their website
Austria

Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  14.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: mikesgroove on 11-25-2007)
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Photo of psychoanesthesia
1.3/5  rDev -65.3%

This beer is terrible.

It's the color of apple juice. Or urine. No head due to high alcohol content.

It smells like caramelized sugar, rotten apples and/or other similar fruits, and alcohol.

It tastes like it smells. Cloyingly sweet, rotten tasting; overall, very offensive. The alcohol warmth doesn't help. This beer is all malt - the little bitterness it does have is from the alcohol. The first time I drank this beer I was convinced I had purchased a bad bottle. So I drank another one to confirm. Yup, it's that bad alright! One dimension to this beer, folks - crap.

Mouthfeel is kinda like lightly carbonated vomit - slick, thick, and unpleasant. Drinkability is poor due mainly to the fact that it tastes bad and has 14% alcohol. It's lightly carbonated, so that helps the drinkability, I guess.

The original Samichlaus is actually very good (as is Samichlaus Helles's cheaper counterpart, the Urbock 23), so I would emphatically recommend avoiding this beer.

psychoanesthesia, Jul 29, 2010
Photo of cpetrone84
3.33/5  rDev -11.2%

Not sure if this is the right beer but I have a 14% abv. bottle that says Samichlaus on it. It is brewed only once a year on Dec. 6th after being aged for 10 months.

A-the beer pours a dark copper color with red edges. the head is tan colored but very thin and almost not existent dissipating immediately.

S-the nose is extremely sweet, tons of brown sugar and carmelized candy notes. hints of dark cherries and some ripe plum, notes of bourbon in the finish.

T-the taste is extremely sweet. carmelized brown sugar, tons of candied sugar, notes of caramel malt, some dark cherries, fig, and ripe plum and set underneath all of the sugar. this is huge flavor but so sweet.

M-extremely smooth and o so syrupy. this is full bodied, thick and viscous. a little low on carbonation to lack a strong finish and actually slightly astringent pucking the lips somewhat.

D-this is just too sweet to really enjoy. it has some nice flavors; but all of the sugar and sweetness in this make it almost difficult to drink. the huge abv is hidden very well, however.

cpetrone84, Jul 27, 2010
Photo of Schwarzwald
3.38/5  rDev -9.9%

This is a surprising beer. Very high ABV but it is very hard to notice through the taste. I like the sweetness of plum and raisin, but there is a little depth missing for me. It has a lot of flavor, but maybe not the right flavor for me. I wish it had a little smokiness and/or oakiness, might be just what it needs. Now, don't get me wrong, I like it a lot, I am just looking for perfection out of "The World's Most Extraordinary Beverage".

High ABV = 11%

Definitely give it a try though!

Schwarzwald, Jul 26, 2010
Photo of sinistermadman
3.43/5  rDev -8.5%

2007
Pours a copper color with a slight head that dissipates immediately. Faint aroma of caramel, malt, but not too much of note.

Taste is a somewhat sweet with a warming alcohol undercurrent. Negligible carbonation and a slick, watery mouthfeel do little to excite the palate. Drinkability is respectable at 12%, but alcohol is noticeable as the brew warms. Worth a try, but I wouldn't seek it out.

sinistermadman, Jun 19, 2010
Photo of coalcracker
2.98/5  rDev -20.5%

Appearance: Bottled in 2007. Pours a slightly cloudy golden color with carbonation quickly settling down.
Smell: Aroma is sweet with notes of dark fruits (eg raisin, currant, a little black licorice).
Taste: Very sweet at the onset with those dark fruits building mid-taste. Very sweet indeed, almost cloying. A mild alcohol warmth presents at the end, but overall is fairly well-hidden despite a 14% abv.
Mouthfeel: Fairly thick and chewy mouthfeel- as a doppelbock should be.
Drinkability: A sipper at 14%. Between this and its sweetness, a fast consumption would be foolhardy.

Overall: A bit too sweet for me. OK brew. Able to finish the bottle, but will not be thirsting for another anytime soon.

coalcracker, May 09, 2010
Photo of MrHassellYaHurd
3.65/5  rDev -2.7%

Samichlaus Helles pours into a tulip glass a beautifully clear copper/orange. Tiny bubbles laze to the surface, just beneath a thin wispy white head which rapidly becomes but a ring around the edge of the glass.

The smell is a densely packed bouquet of sugary-sweet candies, raisins, bananas, and a bit of oranges over a strong malty backbone.

The taste is super sweet as well, with strong banana and malt prominence. Through the intensely sweet and syrupy-thick mouthfeel, the 14% of alcohol rapidly warms the mouth and throat. It is similar to drinking a sweet pastry (lol). Drinkability, for me, is less than ideal. The alcohol is a tad harsh, and the sweetness is near cloying.

MrHassellYaHurd, Apr 28, 2010
Photo of Parrotbeak
3.88/5  rDev +3.5%

Clear, bubbly light orange with almost no head, save for a white, bubbly ring around the perimeter.
Smell is strong, sweet malts. Caramel, sugar, and some dark fruit--plums, figs, and raisins. Alcohol is assertive, bringing some heat to the nose.
Taste is syrupy sweet malts that are slightly bready. Sugar, molasses, figs, and raisins come in as well. Surprisingly, the alcohol is fairly well concealed in the taste.
Mouthfeel has a little bit of bite to it--not nearly as flat as I was expecting it to be, indicating a low-to-moderate level of carbonation. Still, it's slightly sticky, and the alcohol brings some heat to the tongue and throat.
For a sipper, this one is good. As noted, the alcohol is well-concealed, and it's an easy one to sip on.

Parrotbeak, Apr 05, 2010
Photo of mdfb79
3.08/5  rDev -17.9%

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle into a pint glass. Bottled in 2007.

a - Pours a murky orangish/amber color with low carbonation and about a half inch of white head that quickly leaves.

s - Smells of sweet, dark fruits including plums, raisins, and maybe cherries. Also some oak, malts, and booze, although not as much as I was expecting considering it is 14% ABV.

t - Dark fruits, booze, malts, some spices, and maybe a tiny bit of chocolate even. The alcohol was a lot more prominent in the taste than it was in the nose.

m - Medium body with low carbonation. Some alcohol warmth, but not as much as you'd think considering it's 14% ABV.

d - Middle of the road for me. I enojoyed the smell more than the taste, as the alcohol came out a little too much in the taste and feel to me. I have one bottle left that is in my cellar that I plan on holding onto for a few years to see what happens, but right now I wouldn't look to drink it again.

mdfb79, Mar 22, 2010
Photo of Proteus93
3.35/5  rDev -10.7%

Finally picked up the Helles, though I have had the other several times. It seemed about time. This was a 2007 brew.

A: Honey golden, nice and clear, though head struggles to form, and is quite bubbly and soapy when it does. The alcohol content is likely to blame for it, but it's worth noting.

S + T: Malty sweetness, some notes of fruitiness - a little fig and the like. Quite a notable alcohol aroma, and it's actually probably one of the biggest scents. The flavour is very similar, also with a bit of a papery note. Overall, it comes across a little more boozy than flavourful.

M + D: Body is a little thin, but fairly hot, giving it a chemical-quality... it's not horribly bad, but it doesn't seem to perform as well as its equally strong brother. I don't know if I'd readily go back for another... it seemed to lack some of the complexity that the other can showcase, and was something of a disappointment, ultimately.

Proteus93, Mar 21, 2010
Photo of JohnGalt1
3.4/5  rDev -9.3%

Just had the regular Samichlaus while working on stuff for tomorrow... The Helles seems like a natural follower. I've never had this before despite buying them for the cellar... This is an '07.

My Delirium goblet is glowing clear orange.. the head was pretty much nonexistent...

Nose is pretty boozy with thick and sweet pale malt.... sugar cookies... hints of fruitiness... lite white peaches.

Flavor has all the aromas with an encompassing golden raisin essence.. some honey notes.. thick and malty... there could be some spicy hoppiness that is wrecked by the booze... like some grappa was thrown into some peach juice honey water concoction... almost like somebody boiled down a maibock and spiked it with yeast.

The body and carbonation are the same as the regular Sami... but overall, this is turning into a chore... the drinkability is lost on the fact that it is very one dimensional..

The bad thing is, despite my review, I will continue to pick these up time to time, just so I can let them age.. but I am sure they will get no better (stoopid stoopid beer hoarder mentality).... I'm not dum... I'm a kollektor.

3.5/3.5/3.5/3.5/3

Edit: looking at other reviews, I get no "caramel" or toffee.. instead, it is just a verging on cloying pale maltiness.

JohnGalt1, Mar 18, 2010
Photo of portlandjeff
3.85/5  rDev +2.7%

Samichlaus bier helles -2007 vintage

pours a beautiful crisp clear amber red with rapidly dissipating soda-like head.

the nose is extreme - like hot melted chocolate covered figs and sweet booze.

taste is smooth and similar to the nose, with the added complexity of rich spiciness, mainly cinnamon and nutmeg. This sensation is further enhanced by the heat of the alcohol and the sharp carbonation.

Mouthfeel is a bit thick and syrupy, with the high alcohol and carbonation warming and tingling from the lips all the way to the throat.

This beer is sticky and resinous and it really lingers in the finish.

Between the sweetness, high ABV, and boozy heat of this vintage at this time, drinkability isn't high, but it's very tastey and I can understand why older vintages are so highly sought after.

This is a delicious, rich, and decadent beer, but even after 3 years in the bottle, it still begs for more time. I bought a 4 pack, with the intention of enjoying 2 now, and 2 later. After having my first, and really enjoying it, I've decided to age all three of the remaining bottles for some time, as I think they'll be more enjoyable in the future.

portlandjeff, Mar 16, 2010
Photo of Flashsp2
4.3/5  rDev +14.7%

Samichlaus Helles Malt Liquor (doppelbock)

2007 vintage, poured into a slender tulip in April 2009

Pours a nice medium red with golden highlights. Short lived white head with no lacing to speak of, typical of high octane beers.

A nice toasty malt flavor with some prune like notes, and a good bit of booze as the beer warms. A cough syrup/medical aroma from the big alcoholic phenols.

Flavor is big toasty malts, some sweetness, a warming/prickly hit from the 14% ABV, some dark fruit/prune. Some oak and sherry qualities from the aging as well, all around quite complex for a lager. No hop flavor or bitterness, which makes sense for the aging and style. Some medical quality from the phenols, giving off a bit of cough syrup on the palette as well as the nose.

Mouthfeel is quite syrupy and the carbonation is very low.Feels very hefty and chewy in the mouth. Alcohol provides a bit of warmth.

This beer isn't super easy drinking, but the overall complexity of the experience makes up for it. This is a great beer, and a super treat for anybody who can get their hands on one (or a few if you want to lay them down for a while).

Flashsp2, Mar 15, 2010
Photo of Brent
3.58/5  rDev -4.5%

My first impression of this beer was that it was a syrupy sweet, boozy mess. Big Karo syrup sweetness up front, followed by a pungent alcoholic bite. Flat bittering followed, wallowing in the sweet malt. Much as I was not engaged by the first few sips, I found myself nonetheless continuing to drink to conclusion. An odd disconnect between drinkability and overall flavor I am at a loss to explain.

Brent, Mar 15, 2010
Photo of Sallerj
3.7/5  rDev -1.3%

This is a brilliantly clear, orange beer that smells like raisins and booze, almost like a port. It's very boozy and syrupy, which is to be expected from a 14% beer. It has a honey, mildly hoppy aftertaste. It goes down pretty easy for a massively strong beer, but it has none of the crispness that you'd expect from a lager. I'm not sure what makes it a helles.

Sallerj, Mar 01, 2010
Photo of tatoodkelt
3/5  rDev -20%

Consumed 2/15/2010- from notes.

11.2oz brown bottle as pictured poured into a shaker glass. 2007 vintage.

I would not have known this was a doppelbock til I looked here.

A- Very vibrant, clear copper topped off with a one finger, tight bubbled, white head that faded pretty quick to a patchy skim. Random carbination bubbles make there way up very slowly.

S- Some maltiness but mostly candy sweet.

T- Big malt flavor up front, very much like a scotch ale at first with a little earthy smokiness. As the malt fades its replaced by a sweet boozy flavor that dominates the flavor. Also seems to pick up a little almost metallic taste.

M- Medium bodied, a little sticky and very mild carbination.

D- I loved the initial malt flavor but couldnt take what it changed into. Definitely wouldnt have more than one in a sitting, I barely made it through this one.

tatoodkelt, Feb 17, 2010
Photo of DNA
2.65/5  rDev -29.3%

Poured from 11.2 oz bottle into a snifter. Quarter inch head that lasts only seconds. Very clear beer with a light copper/amber color. Aroma is a very sweet baked pineapple. No hop character in nose. This beer smells like a dessert and should probably be served as a dessert beer. The taste is overwhelmingly sweet and one dimensional. Whatever hops were used in this beer are long gone, leaving only a lingering bitterness that can't compete with the residual sugars. Even the high alcohol content can't cut through the cloying sweetness. The mouthfeel is more thick and chewy than expected even for such a high gravity beer...more like a liqueur. As far as drinkability goes, I can barely get through one bottle. Better to split a bottle with friends (or uninvited guests) in sherry glasses. Good luck!

DNA, Jan 30, 2010
Photo of thekevlarkid
3.85/5  rDev +2.7%

This beer was a bright orange color out of the bottle with a tiny layer of off-white head. The collar retention was good and the lacing was ok as well. The aroma was very complex with lots of Belgian yeast, toasted nuts, smoked meat, caramel malt and alcohol. The flavors were similarly full of elements, BIG candy sugar (probably used to cover up the hulking 14% ALC!), caramel malt, toffee, candied nuts, some oiled leather, dark fruits and, of course, boozy alcohol. The mouthfeel was average, the body was medium and the carbonation medium too. Tasty but very one dimensional. Just too sweet and alcoholic for my tastes.

thekevlarkid, Jan 26, 2010
Photo of jzeilinger
3.9/5  rDev +4%

This poured a beautiful medium to dark amber color with a white, frothy head, very nice active amount of carbonation, more so than I expected.

Oddly enough, the aroma reminds me of the Avery Samael, not exactly the same, but close from what I can remember. The nose is pretty much all malts. Smells thick, syrupy, huge malt presence, sugary apricot, some booze.

The taste is absolutely fabulous. This comes accross more as a dessert type of beer, I should have poured this in a snifter instead of a pils glass. Thick malty carmel sweetness, slight pear flavor, possibly a slight hint of honey, light oak tanins in the flavor. There's a slight boozy warming like a nice cognac, the warming starts almost immediately on the tongue and remains throughout the sip. The booze character isn't as prevalent as one might think for a 14% beer. The warming in the throat lingers more as I get through the beer.

Medium to heavy body, silky, and quite drinkable. This would be a perfect dessert or after dinner beer.

jzeilinger, Jan 15, 2010
Photo of dqrull
4.88/5  rDev +30.1%

2007 vintage.

An immediate fluffy, creamy tan head, that quicly dissipates and leaves little to no lacing, a placid-looking beer, with a wonderful clear amber colour. Foams up a bit after a swirl, but the head disappears fast. The absence of head-retention makes it feel a bit inscrutable!

Whoa. The smell is phenomenal. Huuuuge malty sweetness, with some dried fruits in the back, a slight hint of grass is detectable also, along with a fudge-like sensatio. But this is a really awesomely complex malt-onslaught, beautifu.

Wow. Not nearly as prominent alcohol taste as I had anticipated, the viscosity isnt as thick as I was expecting either, but it sure is sweet. This is a really magnificient bouquet of tastes. The initial sweetness is the first thing that strikes you, but it is backed up by a slightly tart fruitness, some dried red berries, almost a bit of blueberry, some oaky tastes come through as well, with a hint of the usual suspect vanilla... all the while having a syrupy slightly clingy sweetness reminiscent of caramellized brown sugar. There isn't much else to this beer apart from the huge maltiness, but damn, this is SOME complex and interesting maltiness. The complexness here is very much of the same kind I might find in a glass of cognac, or even a non-smokey whiskey.
I'm really, really amazed that the alcohol is not more prominent in the taste here, but the body is so full, so bursting of sweetness and awesome flavours that the alcohol only lingers in the background all the while, contributing with a cozy warmth that complements the sweetness of the brew throughout, amazing.

Really syrupy thick, viscous mouthfeel, the carbonation is a little bit weak though, but that's pretty much expected from a beer like this.

I'm really eager to try the Samichlaus classic I have in the cellar, but damn, if that is only half as good as this, it will still be the second best doppelbock I've had.

dqrull, Dec 23, 2009
Photo of natelocc787
4.47/5  rDev +19.2%

Bottled in 2007.

Poured with a nice frothy head. This beer was reminiscent of Avery's "Beast" but much better. The nose was all booze, vanilla, cognac, corn syrup and grain. While others noted the taste wasn't complex, I had a different experience. Nice graininess, high alcohol which was warming and soothing, bourbon, vanilla bean, heavy caramel malt and sweet, sweet oak chips in the taste. I loved the high alcohol, I suppose the same people who make a sour face when drinking liquor straight might say this was too much. It was just right for me, very tasty, much to offer. Slick and oily mouthfeel with mellow carbonation-just right. This is like a V.S.O.P. version of the style. The cognac of beer no doubt. Would absolutely love a case of this. This is what a boss should drink.

natelocc787, Nov 18, 2009
Photo of srandycarter
3.4/5  rDev -9.3%

A - Light orange, a little murky. Half inch head, leaves fast to ring.

S - Booze, hairspray, dark fruit and malt.

T - Thin malt center, almost all BOOZE. Very, very hot.

M - Medium body, good coating and carb, harsh finish.

D - Yeah, one. One will do.

srandycarter, Nov 11, 2009
Photo of BeerSingh
2.78/5  rDev -25.9%

A : Golden caramel coloured with no lacing, no head. Still life.

S : Toffee and boozey. Reminded me of a candy called Poppins.

T : Overwhelming alcoholic and toffee / candy / cognac mixture. Cutting and dominating. For this level of alcohol, the taste should have been subtle, but it was overly sweet.

M : Syrupy and quite cutting due to the carbonation

D : I guess i should have cellared it first, could finish with great difficulty

BeerSingh, Nov 04, 2009
Photo of drabmuh
3.9/5  rDev +4%

Received through a trade with ironbike1. Bottled in 2007. Poured from a bottle into a Samichlaus Bier glass (I'm a glassware bad ass, don't you love the correct glass?). Beer is light amber in color, head forms quickly and disappears just as quickly, leaving nothing behind. No head, no lacing, nothing. Carbonation is mild to weak, this is expected though. Bubbles form around the lower bowl of the glass, beer is clear, completely clear.

Aroma is a little off putting unfortunately. Initially there was a sulfur flavor to it. This is quickly replaced with some alcohol / sweetness and some malt character. The aroma overall is not strong. Time to drink.

Sweet, strong. Wow, this beer actually made me cough when I sipped it. Probably not a good sign. Second taste was considerably better. Much more pronounced sweetness, some raisin like character, great malt body. Mouthfeel is good, not thin at all like you might expect with a 14% beer. Not dry like you might expect with a 14% beer. Just a great full body and high drinkability. This beer seems lighter than the other Samichlaus doppelbock I've previously reviewed and am currently aging. A great rarity for me.

I imagine this beer would age well, removed the warmth from the front end and mellow out the solvency of the flavors. This is a relatively young for a Sami.

drabmuh, Oct 17, 2009
Photo of Casey10
3.53/5  rDev -5.9%

A nice beer that I picked up rather strong not anything to write home about thogh.

A - Very light copper brown.

S - Strong apricot alcohol and raison.

T - Thin lots of alcohol and raison, maybe plum.

M - strong mouthfeel of ethanol leaves a residual hard grainy taste.

D - If looking for a strong ABV might look for this otherwise would not.

Casey10, Oct 16, 2009
Photo of jayfarley3
2.78/5  rDev -25.9%

Bottle states it was bottled in 2007 and states it as "The World's most Extraordinary Beer" so I had to buy it! Pours a real dark brown amber color with a small tan head. Smells very sweet and strongly of alcohol but I guess that should be expected with a 14% abv. Taste is very very sweet almost syrup like with a touch of roasted malts in there. Maybe if it was aged a few years longer it would be better but I think I'll pass on this in the future.

jayfarley3, Oct 14, 2009
Samichlaus Bier Helles from Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg
85 out of 100 based on 334 ratings.