1. American Craft Beer Fest returns to Boston on May 29 & 30, featuring 640+ beers from 140+ brewers. Tickets are on sale now.

Samichlaus Bier Helles - Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg

Not Rated.
Samichlaus Bier HellesSamichlaus Bier Helles

Educational use only; do not reuse.
BA SCORE
85
very good

363 Ratings
THE BROS
-
no score

(send 'em beer!)
Ratings: 363
Reviews: 223
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 15.47%
Wants: 18
Gots: 52 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg visit their website
Austria

Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  14.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: mikesgroove on 11-25-2007

No notes at this time.
View: Beers (19) | Events
Beer: Ratings & Reviews
Sort by:  Recent | Likes | High | Low | Top Raters
Ratings: 363 | Reviews: 223 | Display Reviews Only:
Photo of Gueuzedude
3.48/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2007 Bottle Date; Sampled August 2008
A vigorous pour yields a fat, one-finger thick, pale tan colored head. The beer is quite clear with an amber hue, but shows a brilliantly clear, rich gold color when held up to the light. Quite sweet and concentrated smelling with complex, rich, though obviously pale, malt aromas that just seeps from the pores of this beer. Concentrated golden raisin notes (without being fruity though), some notes that are similar to an ice-wine, almost a toffee not but cleaner somehow, something that is a touch metallic or perhaps calcium like and some rich, slightly grassy, toasty, pale grain notes. At this point the aroma is a touch simplistic, though certainly not bad; like the regular version this really seems to need a couple years to come in to its own.

Thick and somewhat creamy feeling up front, a persistent carbonation that, while light, adds a touch of fizziness to the middle of each sip is also noticeable. That distinct, concentrated golden raisin, without being fruity note is also here in the flavor and plays a significant role. Quite sweet tasting, it could actually use some richness, though this last will likely come with a couple years of age. A touch of herbal hoppiness in the finish is noticeable, though it is quite muted compared to the malt and there is only a perceived, light hop bitterness in this finish. Some hot alcohol notes provide a bit of spiciness and a touch of warming; this last lingers as the beer slides down my throat and even warms its way down through to my belly. While rich and certainly a sipping brew this is actually not as cloying as I thought it would be.

Like the regular Samichlaus, this is definitely a bit green / hot when young. This should age quite well, and really won't be drinkable for at least two or three years if not five.

Purchased: Plaza Liquors, Tucson AZ

Photo of philipquarles
2.3/5  rDev -38.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 1.5

Pours a clear orange-gold with essentially no head (even with an aggressive pour) and no bubbling.

Smells overwhelmingly like candied sugar, along with a bit of malt, fruit esters (apples, grapes and pears maybe?) and of course, alcohol.

Taste is egregiously sweet. Akin to spiked apple juice with some Sweet 'n' Low thrown in for good measure. A bit of malt flavor is certainly present, but the sweet, sugary fruit taste and the alcohol all but mask it. Mouthfeel is like syrup.

Overall, nearly undrinkable.

Photo of sevopie
2.78/5  rDev -25.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Appearance - Reddish-golden color with a quickly dissipating white head.

Smell - This smells heavily of bitter maltiness, like a pilsner. Has a hint of sweet/spice note on it.

Taste - Tastes like a watered down version of the regular Samichlaus with the bitter slightly more prevalent. Heavy on the alcohol tone with a sugary sweet maltiness and a heavy bitter with a slight spice tone.

Mouthfeel - Fairly light with a lot of carbonation, unfortunately the carbonation enhances the alcohol tone.

Drinkability - I am wondering how easily I am going to finish this one. Not nearly as easy to drink as the regular Samichlaus, and the bitterness doesn't really sit very well. I'm glad I found it to try it, but I will stick to the regular one.

Photo of becktone
3.66/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

From Notes 8-4-08

Eye: Golden in color and lively with carbonation. The beer is perfectly clear. The poor head retention takes away from this one though. Considering that this is 14% abv perhaps that is tolerable. The head forms nicely but collapses to a blanket over the beer. Poor lacing as well.

Nose: Sweet malt and alcohol fill the room. Fruity tones as well. Definitely a huge malt influence here. Nice sweet pale malt aroma, warmth from alcohol as well. Some spice hides in there coming from either alcohol or hops. Yeasty aroma, much like that of bread. Nice overall aroma, not quite what you'd expect from a doppelbock though. Strong and mellow at the same time.

Tongue: Wow! Huge sweet malt presence and big alcohol presence. I've had other beers this strong or stronger that have hidden the alcohol better. Not really any hops in here, I think that alcohol does all the balancing that is to be found here. This beer almost has a mead like quality to it...the sweetness and presence of alcohol are much like that of mead. Woodiness...oak...perhaps the aging the bottle speaks of is done in oaken casks. A coarse spiciness mingles with the sweetness to give the beer an overall prickly flavor. Not your typical doppelbock.

Mouthfeel and Drinkability: Definitely dry finish on the palate. Lighter on the palate than one expects for a doppelbock, carbonation, the color and the clarity of this brew lead to this impression. Medium bodied. This is one that I'm glad I've had the opportunity to try, but I doubt that I'll reach for it again anytime soon. There are much better out there....just nothing all that great about this brew, nothing to pull one back to it time and time again.

Photo of charlesw
3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

So everything is a doppelbock, or what? 2007 bottling - in a big flip top (that'd be a 750 to you).

Good. Not as good as samichlaus, I don't think. My memory of the other... From just last night... Had the malt flavors as being a lot more complex. This seems like, well, a helles version of the same beer. Weird. I mean, it's good and I'd definitely drink it again, but I'd rather have the other one, I think. I suppose I'll have to buy both again and compare side by side to really know. Maybe. Anyway, seems to have less mouthfeel and even less bitterness. Still rich and thick with a complex malt profile. Still sweet and smooth. My wine-drinking buddies said that it tastes like a nice Sauternes.

Photo of brewcrew76
3.67/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

2007 bottling

A - Deep golden with a thin white head that disappers immediately.

S - Sweet malt, pilsner, honey, grainywith a good bit of alcohol.

T - Grainy with a sweet candy, honey like alcohol, sweet malt and a bit of sweet grape. Eisbock like without the darker, caramel malt like flavors.

M - Medium to full body with light carbonation and sweet with a warming alcohol.

D - More like a beefed up Helles than the dopplebock listed on BA. Very sweet with a good touch of alcohol. I wonder how this would do with some time to mellow.

Photo of BeerSox
3.05/5  rDev -18.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

12oz bottle into pilsner glass.

Clear straw hue with a thin white head that slowly settles to a rim along the glass.

Grainy aroma with a good amount of alcohol in there.

Grainy flavors with a slight candy like flavor, similar to an Eisbock. Mild hop flavor. The alcohol is perceived well. Full bodied with medium carbonation. The sweet grains linger in the flavor.

The drinkability of this beer is pretty low. All alcohol and no flavor. I can detect the "Munich Helles" behind it, but it's not as subtle as I would like.

Photo of donaldchapman
4.61/5  rDev +22.9%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A - Brilliantly clear, with a long lasting white head. (light yellow color)
S - Strong alcohol aroma, accompanied with some great pilsner malt like aromas.
T - Malty but well attenuated sweetness, with a good backing of hop bitterness. Alcohol notes that are very well balanced and pleasing.
M - Full body, with an intense warmth from the alcohol. No astringency, very smooth.

This is a wonderful beer, I think a bit of age on the bottle would help remove some of the harsh alcohol aromas from the nose, but the flavor was wonderful...

Photo of glid02
3.72/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bought from Green's in Atlanta.

Pours a light copper color with virtually no head. After the beer settles, there are a few bubbles hanging onto the glass for dear life, but that's it.

Smells very sweet, a honey smell dominates everything else, and there's a faint tinge of alcohol that increases as the beer warms.

This beer tastes very sweet. The honey is most prevalent, but it seems as if there's a hint of sweet grapes in there. The alcohol is not very noticeable, impressive for its ABV. The alcohol does become more evident as you get to the bottom of the glass.

The mouthfeel is nothing special, good carbonation and decently smooth, but that's about it.

The drinkability should be way up there because the alcohol is so well hidden, but the sweetness is just too overpowering.

Worth trying, but if it has to be one or the other I'd go for the Bier.

Photo of AlexJ
3.87/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Golden honey pour with a sizzling white head that quickly fades to a thin ring.

Aroma is sweet, fruity, and boozey. Honey drenched fruit salad with toastey vanilla, light spice, and citrus.

Flavor is similar, very sweet and fruity, almost like Grand Marnier. Alcohol not as hot as in the nose. Quite smooth and sippable.

Body is big, sticky, and slick. The sugars make my lips stick together. Limited drinkability due to the ass-kicking strength.

Photo of alexgash
3.85/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle.

Pours into the over-sized snifter a bright golden-orange honey with lighter edges. Small, wispy, off-white head doesn't stick around long. Strong honey and malt sticky-sweetness aromas. Hints of alcohol. Vanilla, rummy fruits, and maybe some cooked carrots.

Suggestions of herbal hops and alcohol lead off the palate, but are quickly overwhelmed by sweet, sugary malts. Rummy fruits and rich honey sweetness dominate. Chewy and almost cloying, with hints of vanilla, tropical fruits, and cotton candy. Avoids being too cloying with some warming alcohol and some cooked vegetable flavors in the finish. A big, warming, dessert beer! Similar to regular Samichlaus, but maybe missing some of the depth and carameliness of the original.

Photo of Beertracker
4.35/5  rDev +16%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Schloss Eggenberg Samichlaus Helles pours up compact with a moderate, but short lived whitish head that rings the bright, deep sunglow body. The sweetish aroma has a wonderful honey (basswood, orange blossom, tupelo) character to it with some toasted bread (Italian ciabatta, crustinis, Melba toast) maltiness and fruity (clementines, orange marmalade) qualities. There's just a hint of spiciness from the Noble finishing hops that's underlying the maltiness along with some notable alcohol. Otherwise clean, low fruitiness, no diacetyl or DMS. The flavor is dominated by a rich toasted, sweet melanoidin maltiness that's remarkably well balanced by a pleasant spicy hop bitterness. This medium-full bodied lager finishes remarkably smooth with lots of alcoholic warmth & complexity. This is a finely crafted pale doppelbock from one of the world's great lager breweries. Truly wonderful! Enjoy this one cautiously by itself after dinner or paired with a piece of classic cheesecake or a thick slice of Camembert de Normandie. ...I'm glad to see the blond version back into production. Das starkste Bier der Welt...I'll BE BACK!

PROST! Beertracker

Photo of deltatauhobbit
4.07/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours from a 750ml flip-top bottle, 2007 bottling

Pours a golden/light amber color with a decent sized head from an aggressive pour, fades fast and leaves no lacing.

Smell is of sweet malt, good floral aroma with a light hop backing.

Taste is whoa, the aroma is rather weak when compared to the taste, flavor explodes right off as well as the alcohol strength, I can easily make out the alcohol and it warms my mouth immediately, caramel malt is the most prominent with honey, some slight woodiness and other spices, very sticky and sweet.

If not for the easily identifiable alcohol, this would be rated higher, guess I'll need to buy another bottle to age and see if it mellows out.

Photo of Georgiabeer
3.97/5  rDev +5.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours golden with very little head. What head there is fades to nothing very quickly. Very malty aroma, quite honeyed and bready. Quite sweet with some definite heat and some lingering spicy bitterness on the finish. Up front it is quite smooth abd honeyed, a bit like nougat. Very smooth, but a bit hot in the mouth. This is fairly pleasant, but I find it a bit more one dimensional than the regular Samichlaus.

Photo of searsclone
3.16/5  rDev -15.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: poured from a bottle into a snifter. No head on this beer whatsoever, very few bubbles in the golden colored liquid

S: some friut in the aroma, and sweet alcohol

T: sweet, maybe mable and brown sugar, and earthy with a flash of alcohol right before swallowing

M: very syrupy, surprisingly fizzy considering the appearance

D: for a high alcohol beer, I find it to be very drinkable

Photo of oberon
3.63/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Had this as a night cap last night and man did it help me sleep easy.Poured into a pokal a full rich clear golden with a minimal head wich was to be expected,whoo the sweet alcohol really hits in the nose with some caramel and grain but the alcohol shows itself in a huge way.A full bodied sweeter sipping brew,it has a big caramel and fruit flavor with sweet burning alcohol showing thru more as it warmed,in the finish a passing vegetal note comes thru.A decent brew but its made to be drank slow and easy.

Photo of beerkittycat
4.08/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance is slightly hazy orange with a frothy white head that lingers for a moment then settles in a ring around the glass. Faint smells of bready malt with notes of cherries and raisins in the background. Noble hops finally appear as the beer warms up a bit. Tastes much more upfront with loads of bready malt blended with flowery noble hops. Medium to medium-full body balanced decently with moderate carbonation and you can definately detect that 14% ABV with a decent alcohol warmth as you swallow, but it's not a harsh finish at all. Overall a nicely balanced beer for such a high ABV and definately worth seeking out.

Photo of yemenmocha
4.25/5  rDev +13.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours just like any other helles - pale golden color, thin white head, and you can see through it quite well.

Nose is a little tepid. Some honey & sweetbread aromas.

Palate packs a whopper malt character with honey-like sweetness, alcohol punch to your face, and a syrupy thick mouthfeel. It's not almost syrupy, it is syrupy. This could be served on buttermilk pancakes if desired.

Finish is warming with plenty of alcohol presence.

Photo of bilyboy65
3.37/5  rDev -10.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Bottled in 2007.

A: Pours a dark golden color with a thick head. The head does not stay around long leaving very little lacing. The beer leaves a heavy film on the glass that does linger. Little carbonation can be seen.

S: Very sweet malts. Smells of powder sugar, honey, bready yeast and alcohol.

T: Very complex taste, but also I found the flavors to be contradicting. Starts of with a sugary honey alcohol taste. This gives way to a bready and floral flavor. As the beer warms to room temperature it seems to start giving off hints of peaches. Finishes with a tart aftertaste. Some sips I really enjoyed and others were just ok.

M: Heavy on the pallet and leaves behind a heavy film. Very smooth as there is little carbonation.

D: Enjoyed more sips then didn't. Due to the heft and oiliness of the beer I can't see having to many in one sitting. Plus with the 14% you might not be able to stand after 2 bottles. Very good after dinner beer as a desert.

Photo of bashiba
2.48/5  rDev -33.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 1.5

Poured a light golden orange color with just a hint of a ring of head, with some light carbonation running through the beer.

Had a mild but sweet nose with a medicinal an herbal overtone.

Flavor is super sweet with a big alcohol flavor and is hit with a heavy dose of herbal hops, a little bit of fruitiness is evident, but is buried by the big alcohol and medicinal like sweetness.

Mouthfeel is ultra slick and oily with a lot of heat.

The super sweetness makes this one a tough drink.

Photo of Blakaeris
3.52/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours cloudy honey-golden in color. Head is slight and completely disappears in short order. With the lack of carbonation this could be mistaken for apple juice.

Aroma is candylike sweetness and strong alcohol. Underneath you can find tropical fruit and bready malt.

Taste is also sweet up front. Plenty of caramel malt and tropical fruitiness - peach and mango especially comes to mind. Herbal hop makes just enough of an appearance to bring a momentary splash of bitterness. Then the sweetness returns eclipsing everything, until it is in turn eclipsed by a strong mead-like alcohol flavor that lingers on the tongue.

Mouthfeel is rather thick and syrupy. Very smooth.

A very sweet brew that has enough ABV to really kick your ass. Alcohol presence is not nearly what you would expect from a 14% beer that can't hide behind strong ingredients (like hops). Decent, but the regular Samichlaus is far more interesting.

Photo of BEERchitect
3.85/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A subtle twist on the standard Samichlaus with a lighter color, and more finess in the malts, but with a lot of fruity character comming throughout. A standard pilsner-straw color comes through with light carbonation and with only a trace of head formation and retention. Aromas are strong of pilsner malt, honey, and zinfindale. No real sulfers or corn flavors, so pretty clean upfront, just a lot more estery than expected from a lager. Flavors jump on the peach, pear, mango, appricot, papaya flavors and wonder into a mead-like / zinfindale acidity and alcohols. An herbal hop flavor is noticed in the aftertaste and provides low-lying bitterness. Very syrupy and viscously textured while warming the mouth into numbness. Light on fusals. Finishes with a long, sweet linger of fruitiness, sugars, and herbal tea.

Photo of russpowell
4.16/5  rDev +10.9%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I sat on this one a few months to cellar, but now I can't wait any more! Here goes:

Pours a noisy & effervescent golden honey with 2 fingers of beige head. No head & a bit of lacing

S: Fruitty & bready & clean booze & fussell alcohol, slight smokeyness

T: Some honey, dates, apricot & nice breadyness up front. More honey, grainyness, pineapple & passion fruit all show as this warms. Finishes with loads of honey, tropical fruit,& booze

MF: Chewy with vigirous carbonation, a little too much, some syruppy notes, great warming sensations, reminds me of a young mead in many respects

Drinkability is fantastic for the ABV & pretty good for the style, nice digestive/nightcap dopple, not one to trifle with or to attempt to session on! Next time I see it I will buy more & hide them from myself & see how the aging improves or doesn't this fine dopple

Photo of Zorro
3.97/5  rDev +5.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Clear and golden colored Bock with but slight head formation, probably the high alcohol content.

Smell is very fruity with lots of esters from the fermentation. Little bit of grain scent, smells like a Rye Whiskey in this respect. Little bit of Nobel hop spice in here as well.

The taste starts out sweet and fruit with just a mild bitterness. VERY fruity aftertaste here. Good amount of grain flavor but this is a fruity bock beer. Hop is doing nothing here except sweetness cleanup.

Mouthfeel is light, got to be the alcohol diluting out the carbohydrates.

Definitely a sipper of a beer, strong Juju Magic here. This is OK but at $8 for the bottle, I will be drinking Firestone Union Jack a lot more than this one.

Photo of JayQue
3.82/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2007 bottling. Poured into a tulip glass (actually a cruise ship mixed drink glass). Copper color while sitting on the table, same color and clarity as apple juice. When you hold it to the light it is Hefe dull gold. Head is better than advertised. Small, carbonated, and hangs in there for a few. Leaves a thin ring after it fades. No lacing. Smell is fairly mild, some fruit (apples? pears?) and caramel maltiness.

Tastes good. The alcohol balances the caramel sweetness perfectly. This is a slow sipper and sweet but not cloying or over the top sweetness. The mouthfeel is rich and carbonated. Drinkability is good for such an abv powerhouse. Over a long evening, I would welcome 2 of them but probably regret it later. In all, a very tasty beer, ideal for a nightcap or winter warmer.

Samichlaus Bier Helles from Brauerei Schloss Eggenberg
85 out of 100 based on 363 ratings.