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Collaboration Not Litigation Ale - Avery Brewing Company

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Reviews: 723
Hads: 1,549
rAvg: 3.92
pDev: 9.95%
Wants: 42
Gots: 224 | FT: 10
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Colorado, United States

Style | ABV
Belgian Strong Dark Ale |  8.72% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: FtownThrowDown on 01-23-2007

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Reviews: 723 | Hads: 1,549
Photo of Bookseeb
3/5  rDev -23.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Batch #5
Appearance has a hazed copper color producing a thin head with moderate dissapation leaving spotty lace. Smell of Belgian yeast, spice, dark fruits having a light barnyard note. Taste as with the aroma thats a little musty maybe even a little more barnyardy. Mouthfeel is medium with good carbonation. Ok for the style, have had better. (346 characters)

Photo of Westsidebuddha
3/5  rDev -23.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bought from Hollingshead Deli in Orange, Calif. Bottled in Feb. 2009, Batch #3. ABV: 8.97%

Smell from bottle is a smoky flavor. A dark, golden color with a little fizz rising to the top. Smell in a pint glass is also smoky. Nice, mellow taste with a very slight candy flavor. ABV doesn't overwhelm the drinkability of this beer. Little sediments floating in glass as I pour the rest of the beer in it. A decent beer to try at least once. (438 characters)

Photo of twistwrist
3/5  rDev -23.5%

Definitely not my favorite, but it's not a terrible beer. It's a bit on the sweet side.
There's a funny story behind this beer! Avery and another brewery (not sure which one) both brewed the exact same kind of and named it "Salvation". Rather than battling it, they named it, "Collaboration Not LItigation". (310 characters)

Photo of OneDropSoup
3.01/5  rDev -23.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Acquired this at Vintage Estate on my last trip.

Poured into a stemmed tulip: Orangey-brown body with bright orange highlights a finger of beautifully spongy, smooth head. Dumped some sediment in, so there are plenty of suspended bits. Wah-waaah. Spotty dabs of lacing.

Smells of Belgian yeast & a combo of cooked orange, nutmeg, anise, toasted sugar. Mild, funky mustiness. A rum-like, sugary alcohol shows up quick & hangs around.

Spiciness from smell carries through in the taste with a sweetness like yams & brown sugar. Strong alcohol, strong flavors that just get muddled together. Overly sweet & spicy in a way reminiscent of a strong fall or pumpkin ale.

Full-bodied & creamy with a quick & lasting booze heat.

Gotta say, this was pretty disappointing. The flavors were too heavy & muddy, alcohol too alcoholic. Really wanted to like this one, but it struck me as a generic Belgian-esque interpretation. (916 characters)

Photo of NJpadreFan
3.03/5  rDev -22.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Avery- Collaboration Not Litigation

Appearance- Hazy reddish brown with no head.
Smell- Sweet dried fruits like prune, raisin, and cherry. Alcohol noted as well.
Taste- Immediate alcohol but quickly being replaced by a strong candi sugar. Huge raisin, prune, and cherry flavors come out.
Mouthfeel- Syrupy sweet with an alcohol twang.

Overall- I drank 2 pints of this and it became too cloying. Not a bad tasting beer but very its very sweet and the alcohol is always present. (485 characters)

Photo of DogFood11
3.03/5  rDev -22.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Foiled and capped brown 750ml bottle. Poured into a tulip it forms an everlasting white head. Copper body is unusual for the style. Carbonation is plentifull and super fine.

I wasn't a "huge" fan of either of these attempts on their own but the mix sounded interesting. There is a soda feel to this in that the carbonation is fizzy, almost pop rock style on the palate. Candied at times and late in the aftertaste some light spices sink in. There is a subtle woody backer with a touch of tobacco that comes out as it fades. As it warmed it got a bit musky for my liking.

Notes: I would have liked a sturdier body and a bit more of the woody side that I liked. Ehhhh....this isn't that good of a mix to me. I thought it would be solid gold and bought 4 bottles, no worries though as its just below average. (813 characters)

Photo of ChazMania
3.06/5  rDev -21.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bomber, bottled Jan 2007. I have been chilling this for a few months, waiting for a good moment to savor. It pours lighter than I expected. The head is a good one finger and lingers with lacing. The aroma is faint, not very strong at all. The first flavor for me was faint banana. Some slight spice and fig flavor but it's not very pronounced. Although it is a good beer, i would not call it exceptional or unique to my palate. (427 characters)

Photo of calsbeek
3.07/5  rDev -21.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.5

This beer, like all of Avery's beers, is just over the top with stuff going on. I find this beer almost undrinkable. Whatever is there that makes it tolerable is likely from Vinnie.

Pours a nice deep rich brown with a sustaining head that is surprising given its alchohol content. The nose is all rum raisin and dark sugars, a little alcohol in the background. The beer is thick and rich like everything from Avery. Complexity...but not in a good way. I think its just too much to figure out. The moutfeel is big and bold, Full bodied but again, overpowering on the pallette. Its just not a beer that I'd look forward to drinking often.

Bummer. (647 characters)

Photo of hckyfn9999
3.08/5  rDev -21.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Batch #2.

Pours a reddish brown color. Aroma is fruity and yeasty, also a bit spicy. Taste sort of sweet and sour. Lots of candied sugar combined with a cherry like tartness. Very musty like yeast flavor here. Mouthfeel is medium. This beer doesn't really do anything for me. (276 characters)

Photo of natelocc787
3.1/5  rDev -20.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

This beer had a decent amount of sediment which hurt my opinion of it but I am leaving an unbiased review of the beer as if it had none. Just thought potential buyers would like to know. Average IMO. The Avery Salvation was much better. Off flavor somewhere in this bottle. Dark raisin and prune juice. Red apple and fig jam. Silky,foamy and dry texture. Wasn't bad but I won't buy it again. (391 characters)

Photo of kraken6100
3.1/5  rDev -20.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Batch #3 from 2009, 22oz bottle poured into a 16oz Chimay goblet.

A- Walnut receding to a mahogany around the edges. small bits of yeast still escaped into the glass. Thumb sized head.

S- whoppers malted milk ball candy (sweet malt and chocolate?), with some banana esters and a sweet, bready aroma. There is a fruit somewhere along the line of prune or raisin. No figs or overly dark fruits. Caramel as well.

T- Vanilla without a barrel-aged heat. Certainly the sweet malts and caramel taste are prevalent. Some dry spiciness at the end, but goes pretty well. As it warms, I'm just getting more of the same, maybe more of a specific brown sugar taste. This might be that Turbinado sugar they allude to on the label. It's good, not great. Certainly not bad.

M- Nice and carbonated still. Surprisingly light, despite the big sweet flavors and spicier finish. Not syrupy or cloying at the end at all.

O- Not bad, not spectacular. It's already a bit on the sweet side, so I don't regret having busted it open. Not sure how much more this would've changed. I got it pretty cheap, and it was definitely a nice change from all the pales and sours I've been drinking lately.

Would be good with some Asiago cheese for sure. (1,221 characters)

Photo of Chaney
3.13/5  rDev -20.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Bottled in January 2011; Batch 5

A: Sort of a brick, dirty brown color, no transparency due to cloudiness, and a small slightly off-white head that went almost flat fairly fast.

S: Belgian funk for sure, but this was muted substantially by pillowy yeast, and dark fruit (dates and raisons primarily).

T: Same as the nose, and a bit boring actually. It sort of reminded me of a slightly flat, sweeter version of RR Damnation. Fruity, smooth finish with ever the slightest bit of dryness.

M: A bit thin actually and VERY low in carbonation. Was this intentional? The lack of creaminess that might have given this brew a more interesting character followed suit. Absolutely no lacing whatsoever. Bummer...

O: Ho-hum...: I never thought I would use that to describe a RR (or even an Avery) beer. I had this one once last year before I started reviewing and didn't think much of it then either. It certainly looks like my taste for this one hasn't changed... (958 characters)

Photo of Stoneman78
3.14/5  rDev -19.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

On draft at O'Brien's

Appearance is a dense orange-amber hue, thing sprinkling of white foam, moderate lacing

Smell is light fruits, sugary sweetness, Belgian yeasts, very subtle overall

Taste is also light fruits and belgian yeast, pale and caramel malts, hints of dark fruit in the middle, some brown sugar and molasses near the end, moderate alcohol in the finish

Mouthfeel is medium-bodied, creamy thick texture, high carbonation

Drinkability is moderate, initially pleasing flavor profile quickly fades from the palate leaving very little to linger, alcohol and carbonation are both on the verge of being distracting, expected more bold flavor for this style (668 characters)

Photo of steeltown71
3.15/5  rDev -19.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A: Dark orange, lively carbonation, moderate head retention.

S: Cinnamon roll, raisins, nutmeg.

T: Considerable upfront sweetness, Belgian yeast, slight hop bitterness on the finish. Alcohol is barely noticeable.

M: Medium-bodied, good carbonation.

D: Deceptive 9% here, highly drinkable.

I haven't tried either of the component ales so I can't really comment on the effectiveness of the combination. On its own merits though, it makes for a solid Belgian dark ale, perhaps lacking in complexity. (506 characters)

Photo of MaxSpang
3.15/5  rDev -19.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Served in a snifter. Batch 5 brewed in January 2011.

APPEARANCE

The beer pours a dark brownish red. There is some light that comes through the glass, and the beer is slightly hazy. There was a decent off-white head that disappeared fast and left no lacing in the glass. Not exactly "dark", but definitely a Belgian-looking brew.

SMELL

I get some juicy dark fruits and Belgian yeast spice at first. There's some citrus notes in the nose, and is followed by slight white pepper and some clove. There are notes of bread and slight raisin. Overall a pleasant smelling brew.

TASTE

Much, much sweeter than expected. Lots of bread notes and dark fruits in this one. There's a lot of alcohol, and the beer seems like it's a lot bigger than 8.91%, and not necessarily in a good way. There are some banana and clove flavors in the taste. The flavor is sort of all over the place, and the hot alcohol is surprisig.

MOUTHFEEL

This beer has a decent body. The alcohol and sweetness Don't make this the most drinkable beer, but it's not exactly hard to drink... It's just sort of a muddled and weird mouth feel that slows you down a bit.

OVERALL

I'm pretty disappointed in this brew. I like Russian River, and I like Avery - so what happened? This is almost a year old, so you'd think it would be smoother by now. I'm not saying this is a bad beer, but it sort of tastes like a Belgian inspired beer from a brewery that has no business making such a beer - which neither of these breweries are. It's close to being a nice beer, but it misses the mark. It's at least worth a taste.

Cheers. (1,591 characters)

Photo of RidiculedDisplay
3.17/5  rDev -19.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Appearance: Pours with a quarter-finger wood grain colored head that quickly dissipates into, well, not a whole lot. Lacing is there, but intermittent and not too impressive. Body is a rather one-trick-pony shade of deep brown, which I've seen before in other BSDA's, but most have a bit more effervescence than this.

Smell: Corky woodiness with some doughy bread qualities. Apples, cinnamon, raisins, hints of peach, some plum, a little too toned down to some degree. The esters I would have liked to have been more assertive. Perhaps a few years on this would do it good in that sense. An alcohol-ey, stinging musk is in the back end that isn't particularly pleasant.

Taste: Apple, cinnamon, still that corky woodiness. The plum esters are more playful here and a bit more assertive. Some banana I didn't notice in the nose. There remains a bitter, alcohol-y sting to this brew, however, which is particularly unpleasant on the swallow. Almost like cough medicine on the tongue. Ech. Sorry, only the esters really save this one.

Mouthfeel: Adequately carbonated. Astringent upon swallowing.

Drinkability: The bitterness/cough medicine-like quality to this brew keeps it from being very enjoyable, or drinkable. (1,225 characters)

Photo of redneckchugger
3.18/5  rDev -18.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured a light brown with light head, some lacing.
Smells of bananas and dark fruits.
Taste is all bananas upfront with raisins, plums and a little bit of breadiness on the mid palette, the finish is more bananas and a bit of heat as well. I am really underwhelmed to be honest. Its flavors are disjointed, and too weak, the heat is a big distraction, this beer is a mess. Given Russian river and Avery's track records i expected this collaboration to be better, but its mediocre at best. (488 characters)

Photo of snpub540
3.18/5  rDev -18.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Live review at 38 Degrees in Alhambra CA.

Comes a slightly hazy amber hue, with an eggshell colored head that leaves a nice web-like lacing down the glass. So far the best looking thing I have drank today.

Smell is pretty intense. Mostly cloves and parsley. Also a nice earthiness in there.

Taste is very interesting. A nice herbal belgian flavor. Upfront it is sweet but just for a second and then the herbal spice notes dominate. Clove and a medicinal numbing flavor take over. Very interesting.

Mouthfeel is medium bodied. Drinkability is complicated. The alcohol is not present, but the intense tongue numbing effect make it slightly hard to drink. (657 characters)

Photo of jar2574
3.2/5  rDev -18.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Cloudy brown colored beer, with less head than average.

The smell doesn't do much for me, there's just not much to it. Maybe some malts. No fruitiness. Unexpected for this type of beer.

I like the taste, but this is one of my favorite styles, and I think it compares poorly to others within the style. It's got a malty, earthy taste with just a little bit of sugar. Sort of syrupy, the mouthfeel is pretty chewy. But it goes down easily and the alcohol is well disguised.

Undistinguished for this style though. Lacks complexity. (532 characters)

Photo of packetknife
3.2/5  rDev -18.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Garnet like color again with a bit more red than I expected and a near-white head that faded quickly and laced cleanly. Quite malty, spicy, and decent yeast on the nose. I'm not picking up any hops on the nose at all. The taste is about the same with some clove present and the missing hops. Good carbonation and body. The finish was ever-so-slightly harsh which makes it only average drinkable. (395 characters)

Photo of bum732
3.21/5  rDev -18.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a cloudy brown, lots of floaties, decent head that dissipates. Smells of bready malt, some chocolate, wine like fruit, some spiciness, . Tastes like a struggle between some fruitiness and some chocolate maltiness, dark maltiness wins. Some molasses and No spiciness that is traditional to belgians, not much bitterness finishing very mellow and earthy. Just a touch of spice and alcohol at the end.

An interesting mix, not quite sure it works. I feel like the taste falls flat, not enough spiciness or fruitiness to cut through the heavy chocolate and dark malt feel. Too bad. (584 characters)

Photo of Wisconsinality
3.22/5  rDev -17.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Batch 5 poured into Delerium tulip.

A- Pours a dark reddish brown with a small one finger head that recedes quickly but leaves decent lacing on the side of the glass.

S- The Belgian yeast is apparent right away. There is also some candi sugar to go along with some dark fruits and a little bit of caramel. A little bit of wheat and cracker in there as well.

T- The Belgian yeast is a little more subdued than in the nose. The malt is sweet and smooth and there are hints of chocolate and dark fruits.

M- The body is light to medium bodied. I would have preferred it to be a touch heavier. The carbonation tickles the tongue but is relatively smooth on the way down.

O- I don't know how old this is or how long it sat on the shelf but it seems to be a slight bit oxidized. That or there is something a little off about it. (826 characters)

Photo of kojevergas
3.22/5  rDev -17.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

1 pint 6 fl oz brown glass bottle with standard pressure cap served into De Molen stemware in low altitude Los Angeles, California. Reviewed live. Batch number 5 with 8.91% ABV.

A: Pours a one finger head of nice slight cream, decent thickness, and pretty good retention - especially for the abv. Colour is a dark caramel-copper.

Sm: Caramel, heavy candied sugar, and biscuity yeast. The candy sugar dominates. A moderate strength aroma.

T: Pleasant candied sugar with biscuity yeast. No caramel comes through. Fairly complex, and nicely balanced. For a beer blend, this is pretty impressive fare. I'd like to try it on draught.

Mf: Smooth and wet, but not too thick. Suits the flavour.

Dr: Though too simple to warrant purchasing again, I enjoyed this beer as a blend of two brewery's beers. I consider it a successful experiment. It's very drinkable for the ABV. Worth a try for hardcore fans of either brewery (I consider myself a pretty serious Russian River fan), but I don't think serious fans of the style will be impressed.

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01.22.15: Second (brief) impressions from a Jan 2015 bottle. Batch #8. 8.9%.

A: Head disappears within 10 seconds, leaving no lacing. Body colour is a dark amber of above average vibrance. Clean; no yeast particulate or hop sediment is visible.

Looks alright for a Belgian style ale.

Sm: Birch sugar, caramel, ample sweetness, syrup, candi sugar, turbinado sugar, pale and amber malts. There's a hint of fruit.

Might be too sweet.

Aromatic intensity is moderate.

No yeast character, alcohol, or off-notes are detectable.

TASTE: Sweet, with plenty of birch sugar and turbinado sugar. Slightly imbalanced.

TEXTURE: Smooth, wet, medium-bodied, moderate thickness. Slightly overcarbonated.

OVERALL: Drinkable and enjoyable.

High C+ (1,785 characters)

Photo of Halcyondays
3.24/5  rDev -17.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

On-tap at Beachwood BBQ,

A: Pours a murky orange with a full white head, excellent head retention and lacing.

S: Light overall, some orange and pear notes.

T: Avery Salvation stands out the most. Strong fruit ester, orange marmalade and some apricot. Not the best melding of flavours, has a bit of an unappetizing bitterness; I thought the flavours clashed more than they came together, OK taste for me.

M: Light/medium body, silky mouthfeel, smooth.

D: Not being the biggest fan of RR Salvation, I didn't know what to expect. Avery's beer is excellent, but in the end the combo fell short for me. I can drink it, but it's too expensive to buy again. (655 characters)

Photo of AgentZero
3.27/5  rDev -16.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A - Muddy orange color, this beer looks like a suspension almost that is settling. Looks much darker and cloudier in the middle, yellow on the edges and toward the top. Small head with little retention and no lacing.

S - Funky yeast smell and some fruits, almost comes across like raspberries to me.

T - A lot of confusing spice going on, but becomes hard to pick out with everything else there. Slight pear taste. No alcohol taste to speak of. Malty, some yeast.

M - Smooth, not tons of carbonation. Super-dry suck the moisture out of your mouth finish.

D - So much spice it becomes hard to drink. Very dry finish doesn't help, but for the alcohol it's not bad. (667 characters)

Collaboration Not Litigation Ale from Avery Brewing Company
88 out of 100 based on 723 ratings.