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Collaboration Not Litigation Ale - Avery Brewing Company

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Ratings: 1,377
Reviews: 701
rAvg: 3.9
pDev: 10.77%
Wants: 34
Gots: 145 | FT: 9
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Avery Brewing Company visit their website
Colorado, United States

Style | ABV
Belgian Strong Dark Ale |  8.72% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: FtownThrowDown on 01-23-2007)
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Photo of brewdlyhooked13
3.93/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance - pours with much foaming, so much in fact that I quickly went with a slower, smoother side pour which tamed things down considerably, limiting the head to two fingers of light tan, pocky foam. Recedes pretty quickly despite some aggressive bead action. Not much lace but there is a thick and sticky collar. Impressive head retention, a thin layer atop the brownish amber beer throughout the tasting, creating a sheet of lace on one side of the glass.

Aroma - bready, lots of yeast and a good bit of alcohol. Pretty straight up for the style. Shows some fruitiness after settling.

Taste - sweet and malty, bready and yeasty at the swallow. Some alcohol vapors blend in there, followed by a mild hoppiness and a rather robust finish of toasted grain, I think. The alcohol is not all that well masked but it fits in well in the right places. A standup Belgian.

Mouthfeel - smooth, slightly heavy, lots of carbonation.

Drinkability - grows on me as I progress through the bottle. I would not turn down another tonight in spite of the potency.

Photo of t0rin0
3.88/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I read about this on the Avery website a while back and I thought it was really neat idea but I never thought Id get to try one. I tried it out of a 22 oz bottle and poured into a pint glass.

It was darker than I expected it to be considering that the Avery Salvation was a golden color. It was kind of a coppery color and had a thick creamy head.

It smelled sweet and a bit fruity. It tasted about the same. The only difference being some of the darker malts came out in the flavor. It tasted good but not quite as spectacular as the Avery website would have us believe.

Mouthfeel was typical for a belgian beer, not too heavy not too light. Very drinkable beer, quite smooth. Would like to have more of this to get me through the hot days ahead.

Photo of crwills
3.58/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bomber purchased at Beers of the World in Rochester, NY.

I have tried Russian River Salvation (although I don't remember it well) but not Avery Salvation. That said, I was expecting something pretty spectacular and got a disappointingly average Belgian ale. There was nothing WRONG with it -- it was actually fairly drinkable and had some strong points. But it certainly didn't blow my mind, and didn't come off as anything special or unique for being a combination of the two brews.

Anyway, poured a nice-looking deep brown into a goblet. Good-sized head and some decent lacing. Aroma is quite floral, with notes of clover and other wildflowers. Some light caramel notes in there as well. The floral hop notes carry into the flavour, although they're relatively mild in comparison to the aroma. Not much additional hop character to speak of. Slight chocolate and pumpernickel bread flavours, with a little bit of tart fruit. However, for a beer this big, I definitely would have liked to see all these flavours beefed up a bit. There may have been some complexity there, but everything was just too subtle.

Definitely drinkable, but not something I'd seek out.

Photo of bruachan
4.08/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

the story on the bottle/avery website is fun. gotta love the brotherhood that is brewing

the color is quite nice. ruby, no...darker. there was once a booming head above the red liquid, but all that is left is a high-water mark and some good lacing

deep fruity scents and a mild yeastiness lurk in the deepred depths. little sign of hops. a bit bland, actually, especially compared to the flavors

a lively mouthfeel cuts through serious malt flavors. there is more than a shadow of hop flavor but the bulk of the experience comes with the cherry and the caramel and apricot. brown sugar suggests itself, as well. if it were not for the serious bubblage it might taste/feel a bit sticky

this is nice brew. next up i see the Czar blended with Supplication

Photo of deanhead
4.03/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This was the very first beer that I was able to taste the was brewed by Russian River. At any rate at least half the beer was brewed by Vinnie.

Appearance- This beer seemed to be lightly carbonated, The minimal head with super tiny bubbles gave way to a deep brown color of the elixir beneath it.. The color improved as the beer warmed up in the glass. In fact everything about this beer became more appealing as it warmed in my hand. This huge beer was served in a tulip glass. IMHO was served way to cold, so that's why I warmed it a bit, and let it rest for a few minutes.

Smell- Initially this beer was almost completely void of any scent. Possibly due to the fact that it was served so cold. Once it warmed up I picked up all malt, and no hop nose to speak of here (true to the style) . Slight hints of bubble guml, as well as a subtle toasty/sweetness.

Taste- This beer is very well balanced, considering it is a blend of two brews. It's got a huge malt backbone, complimented with what taste like noble hops to me. Slight horse blanket. This beer has Carmel tones, embodied with sweetness, tobacco, and some slight tannins. It's a warming beer, but not an overpowering alcohol taste. I also noted very slight phenolic taste.

Mouthfeel- This beer had a nice medium body to it, aside from the bubblegum, upfront it was very clean, it finished with a really slight phenolic taste. It was very slight, but present, indicative of the style. So some was to be expected. :)

Drinkability- This beer is going to age really well!!. I liked it, but couldn't drink another one of these single handily again.It knocked me on my tail, it is a really big beer! Best enjoyed with a good friend. I expect that this one will really shine if you cellared it for a couple years

Photo of sloejams
3.78/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I remember reading about this about a year ago and thought it was great that the two came together to do this and managed to keep Vinnie's affinity for having his Belgians end with "tion". I thought highly of Russian River's Salvation but haven't had Avery's recently enough to really be a good judge.
This being a blend of the two, I was interested in trying the results.

It was a bit sweeter than the RR offering. Tastes of plums and raisins caught my palate. As I continued to drink, I found the breathing improved it. Or my palate got used to it. Either way, I enjoyed it.

In all I'd take the RR Salvation alone over this, but this is a fine tasting experiment.

Photo of ommegangpbr
2.88/5  rDev -26.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

A mixture of Salvations...
Like the idea but not so much the beer...
Pours a deep amber to a deep reddish brown. The head that does form is off white but quickly goes away to a small bit of white foam.
Smells of fruit cake or candy with booze. Some spices are there, coriander is the one that I can detect most easily. Sweet, almost rotting fruit scents at times.
Tastes speak of the scents with molasses thrown in. The mouthfeel makes me think I've just eaten something with too much cinnamon in it, though cinnamon isn't necessarily in the flavor.
I think I've had Avery's Salvation and recall not digging it so much. If I had to guess it's the Avery brew that's responsible for what I'm not liking about this brew. I find myself not wanting to finish the bottle.

Photo of GClarkage
4.43/5  rDev +13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

08/16/07- Purchased at Ledger's Liquors in Berkeley, CA.

Presentation- 22oz bottle with a bottled on month on the lower part of the label (January of 2007). Poured into my Damnation tulip.

Appearance- Deep caramel brown colored pour with a 3/4 inch slight off white head. Leaves pretty nice lace patches and streaks.

Smell- Really nice deep roasted caramel nose with various dark fruits. Light prunes, but mostly figs and some raisins. Smells like it's going to be fairly sweet. Maybe even a bit of chocolate in the nose.

Taste- Soft tasting mix of plums, prunes, raisins and figs. A nice bit of hops awaits in the finish. About the sweetness expected out of the nose...some semi-rich roasted caramel. No metal taste at all which is always nice.

Mouthfeel- Medium carbonation level, nice slight hop aftertaste.

Drinkability- About what I expected going in. A very tasty beer that I would definitely have again in a minute. Not sure how much aging would do to this one though. May drink my other fairly soon.

Photo of markaberrant
3.98/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - colour is a dark orange with red hues. Lots of carbonation, but it pours nothing but a thin cap. No lacing.

S - very nice malty sweet nose, with a background of spice.

T - starts out with sweet dark fruit (figs, raisins), some spice notes and even some earthy hop flavour in the middle, then a dry chocolate alcohol finish.

M - a little heavier mouthfeel than a traditional belgian, but the carbonation keeps things light enough. The overall effect is very creamy. I do find that it has quite a bit of alcohol warmth, but it is not "hot."

D - Not exactly a summer refresher, this one should be consumed slowly.

Can't say I've had the chance to try either Salvation, but the combo works pretty well for me. I've only had one other "red" belgian, Maudite, which I don't care for (seems to have no identity), but this one is excellent. I hope to try more Avery and Russian River products in the future!

Thanks to Demcorhip for the bottle!

Photo of arizcards
4.03/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked up a bomber at AJ's in early April for $7.19.

Beer poured a reddish brown with a beautiful long lasting off white head. Nose is very nice, of Belgian yeasts, dark fruits and spices. Taste is very much of Belgian yeast with initial alcohol warming, ripened cherries, and finishes somewhat dry. Mouthfeel is very smooth but a bit thinner than hoped. Drinkability is good. This is an interesting collaboration. Having recently visited RRBC and previously enjoying a bottle of Salvation, the qualities of the smooth mouthfeel and dry finish are very familiar. I have had the Avery version as well and the lighter qualities of a strong pale ale are definitely evident. This is something one should try as this collaboration may not happen again!

Photo of biegaman
4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Printed on the cap is the Avery slogan: "Live with Passion". Absolutely great advice...

A large ivory coloured head that leaves very dense streams of lacing. Small yeast particles sprinkled throughout. A neat hybrid colour, a blend of auburn shades with lots of different highlights. The colour shines but the body is murky. A dark and mysterious appearance.

An aroma full of spices with strong notes of dried fruits and a heavy Belgian style yeast. The dried fruit is quite strong but it is the yeast that is most predominant. Very reminiscent to a Rochefort/Trappist type yeast, which carries with it a lot of nuances that you'd find in a quad. Musty. The blend doesn't make for a clear aroma; it seems to prevent the character of either beer to really be 'expressed' quite fully. They don't seem to coerce all that well in the smell. Still pleasant.

Mouthfeel is a little watery only for a slight absence of texture. Medium bodied at best. The yeast used works quite hard, contributing to all aspects of the beer. In this case, it provides a dry, light funkiness to the finish. Not a "funk" filled beer by any stretch, maybe slightly lactic. A faint suggestion of alcohol adds a little dimension.

The taste mimics the aroma although is perhaps a little more developed. The faint note of dried fruits becomes a ripe flavour of choke cherries, apple and strawberries. The strawberry especially stood out at me. The malt bill is like that found in Belgian pale ales. The Belgian yeast strain used imparts a lot of the flavour and is also dominant in the taste.

A neat 'collaboration'. A very cool concept that was well marketed and a good reflection on both brewers. Nice to see big name breweries work together on such interesting projects. I wouldn't say this was a natural, sublime mix - the beer really was quite average - however it did make for a tasty treat. Thanks Grub!

Photo of cokes
4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pitches out a purple-glinting dusty bronzed under a dirty white foam.
It hits the nose with dried fig and plum vapors, along with traces of rock, and jasmine.
It flows through the mouth tugging a fruited malt load of blood oranges and golden raisins. It veers spicier and funkier with gradations of sandstone, suede, and white peppercorns. Malt follows up again, this time with a more forceful, darker-leaning gumption. Full of carob, figs, prunes, dates, and an assertive vinousness. It concludes with reports of dark rum.
Leaning medium-full in the mouth, it is given levity with a steady carbonation. Solid all around, and a pretty nifty experiment to boot.

Photo of BeerSox
4.1/5  rDev +5.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

22oz bomber into ~8oz. wine glass, split between me and two other people.

Deep ruby color, such as a very ripe raspberry. A one finger light tan head lasts alomst forever, creating a icy smooth surface. Solid lacing down the glass, leaving somewhat dense rings between each sip.

The crisp malt supports a sharp berry fruit aroma, along with a bit of alcohol. The aroma doesn't seem to jump out as much as other Belgian Ales.

The taste is broad, leaving an almost smoky malt flavor mixed with non-cloyingly sweet sugary fruit, perhaps strawberry and cherry. The fruit doesn't last as long as the malt, which lingers until the finish. Full bodied with a thick syrupy feel. The alcohol comes out a bit more as it warms.

If you prefer your Belgian Ales on the non-sweet side, you will probably enjoy this one. It has good flavor and complexity, but it doesn't taste like an alcoholic jolly rancher. Recommended.

Photo of grub
3.95/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

got this one in a trade with northyorksammy. thanks sammy!

pours coppery red with a big fluffy tan head. the head drops slowly and leaves tons of lace.

aroma is nice. fresh floral hops. nice spice - very light clove and coriander. light earthy and funky character.

taste is good. medium-low bitterness level. nice cracker malt. light earthy funk. very slight fruit. bit of spice. light caramel sweetness.

mouthfeel is good. medium carbonation level. nice medium body.

drinkability is good. well balanced and enjoyable.

Photo of GbVDave
4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served in a tulip glass at Hopleaf 5/30/07. Thanks to HeatherAnn for the assist!

A: Served a dark cloudy brown with a slight ruby colored tint. Rust stained, khaki-colored one-finger head. Very still.

S: Wonderfulv aromas of sweet molassas, burnt brown sugar, plums, and green apples.

T: Plums, dates, spicy malt, and the unmistakable flavor of burnt Belgian candi sugar.

M: Silky smooth with a slight bitter finish that sends prickles up and down the tongue.

D: Definitely a sipping beer. Very enjoyable!

Photo of barleywinebrewer
4.38/5  rDev +12.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I loved the RR version (batch 002) when they were still selling it online so of course I had to try this brew.
A - rich reddish brown color, nice billowy light tan head
S - Muted rich dark fruit malts, wonderful spicy belgian yeasts.
T - similar to the aroma but rounded out with a hint of belgian candi sugars and a earthy / oaky note for good measure.
M - medium bodied, creamy smooth and rich.
D - highly drinkable

Avery's Salvation is up next. This is a very nice beer but seemed a bit scaled back when done as a side by side with RR's version.

Photo of brentk56
4.05/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Appearance: Pours a burnt caramel color with a modest head that drops to a ringlet with a murky foam covering the surface of the ale; some lacing

Smell: Caramel; some sour yeasty notes; some rum-soaked raisings and a whiff of alcohol

Taste: Starts with a complex caramel flavor, with hints of coriander, tobacco and prune entering by mid-palate; after the swallow; the bitter and peppery elements grow considerably into the finish; along with the alcohol

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body with lively carbonation

Drinkability: I prefer the RR to the Avery and I notice that this beer starts out like the RR but the Avery elements become more apparent after the swallow; letting this beer age a year or two tones down the bitterness and makes it a superior BSDA, in my opinion

Photo of MiScusi
4.03/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: dark brown, good color, off white large head.

S: earthy belgian yeast with a toasty malt type aroma. The belgain yeast doesn't come off as strong as belgian golden ales, its more of the earthy type.

T: Toasty malt (or maybe slightly roasted). Similar to Biere de Garde. Alcohol evident, but mixes well.

M/D: Nothing really wrong here. No limitations in any way. The beer is pleasant and nice to drink.

Photo of jmz62565
4.03/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a clear dark brown "cola" color with a giant white foamy head. This beer has a ton of carbonation and the head lasts and leaves great lacing. The smell is strong with a candy sugar scent,bread yeast,carmel,and some fresh fruits,peaches? The taste is very sweet with Belgian candy sugar,alcohol,bread yeast, citrus hops,and dark fruit. The m/f is medium with all flavors mixing well. A very interesting beer that's not bad,but I really thought would be better. Sorry.
Still, this is a tasty beer that should be tried by all.

Photo of Patrick999
4.3/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A - Pours dark with a strong foamy head. Nice.

S - BIG Belgian Strong Dark smell wafts around as soon as I crack the bottle. Oh yeah. This baby's got something. Alcoholic spicy sweetness, raisins, prunes, along with something I can only describe as a little funky and smoky.

T - I just had the Avery Salvation yesterday, so I wanted to try this while the memory was fresh. I've never had the Russian River Salvation, but it is obviously the dominant beer here, as I only taste shades of Avery's lighter Salvation. What does it taste like? The alcohol is quite aggressive, as are the hops for this style - the other BSDs I've had seem to be sweeter than this and less hoppy. Hops stick in the back of the throat, oh yeah. I'm getting some definite smoky flavor as well, and only a kind of burnt sugar with raisin taste as far as the residual sweetness. Complex and challenging. Not at all for the uninitiated, but this should be right up the alley of most BA's. I really can't imagine too many of you guys not enjoying this; this is good stuff.

M - An oddly thin mouthfeel for the big flavor here. Not at all cloying, though a tad sticky, and feels pretty dry.

D - Pretty good for such a big, big beer in the context of the bomber being easy to drink. Beyond that, I'd say it's one and done. This flavor is going to be with you for a while even after you're done..the palate-blasting this does will not let you move on to another beer, even if you can handle the 9% ABV

All in all, an enjoyable, leftfield BSDA - I wish we'd see more collaborations of this type. Big high five to Avery and Russian River for this.

Photo of Pegasus
4.25/5  rDev +9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Mildly hazy deep copper in color, with a large white head, which retains well. The lacing is thick and broken; there is little carbonation.

Aroma: Sweet caramel notes and an underlying toastiness, with a slight clove note, and hints of sweet alcohol.

Taste: Mild caramel and toasted malt at the open, with abundant spices, including cloves and coriander, dark fruits, and sweet alcohol; finishes with a lingering herbal and metallic hop presence.

Mouth feel: Smooth and full, pleasant, and quite soft.

Drinkability/notes: Very pleasant and drinkable, with a wonderful palette of complexity. There is much to admire in the collaboration of Avery and Russian River, both from the brewing and the ethical standpoints.

Photo of ArrogantB
4.4/5  rDev +12.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This will be the second time I have had this brew, the first time was about six months ago. It has virtually disappeared from metro Denver and the fine folks at Liquor Max still had a couple bottles. I thought Avery did not bottle condition their beers but there appears to be a layer of yeast at the bottom of the bomber. The beer itself is dark ruby red in color and translucent. It smells like sweet sugar and fruits. The smell really lets you know this beer is going to be good. This has a very good taste, with only the slightest medicinal twinge, which doesn’t detract from this beer in the least. This beer is actually easy drinking for such a high ABV but it does eventually start to warm the belly. I am looking forward to trying both the Avery Salvation and the Russian River salvation in the future.

Photo of Ieatlambfries
4.38/5  rDev +12.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Served in my Duvel tulip glass. Poured a very dark rust orange. Topped with a light tan head of dense bubbles. This brew leaves a smattering of lace with each sip or agitation which clings to the glass.

Hints of caramel, salt water toffee and dark fruits on the nose.

Burnt sugars and caramels. Dark fruits as well as an orange rind hop twang in the finish. A lot of fruity notes in the yeast as well. I can defiantly taste the influence of Avery's Salvation behind all of the stronger dark notes from RR's.

Very velvety mouthfeel. Smooth yet substantial. Quite drinkable. I think the notes from the golden ale really help to balance out some of the sweeter notes in the dark ale, which overall helps drinkablility. An interesting blend, I didn't expect to enjoy it as much as I did.

Photo of smurphy77
4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Not a bad combination. I'm a big fan of the russian river salvation, but haven't sampled the avery version. This beer was a caramel color with about a two-finger head. There was a sweetness to this beer, reminiscent of toffee or burnt sugar. Not a lot of complexity or development of the flavors. Despite the nice head I found this beer to be a little flat. I'll have to try the avery salvation before I make any final conclusions, but I think I'm more of a fan of the rr salvation unmixed. This isn't a bad beer, but the bar was set pretty high for this one by it's components.

Photo of bosco7
4.03/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Obtained this 22 oz. bottle in Eugene, OR at the Market of Choice.

I am very familar with Russian River's Salvation and have had Avery's once.

Poured into a chalice; forms a large cream like head that leaves a blanket of lacing. The beers is a translucent reddish-brown.

Fruity aromas instantly apparent. Prune, fig, toffee, some chocolate, and earthy yeast aromas present.

Sweet upfront with lots of fig, dark caramel, and black pepper flavors. This lingers into prune, sweet cherry, coriander, earth, milk chocolate and banana. Has a crisp light bitterness in the finish.

Tastes much sweeter and less attenuated than RR's Salvation. Also what makes RR's version so enjoyable is the astronomical level of delicate complexities provided by their yeast strains; this quality is kind of diminished by the sweetness of Avery's. That being said RR's beer is much more noticable in the finish product. Very good beer but I'll stick with RR's Salvation.

Collaboration Not Litigation Ale from Avery Brewing Company
88 out of 100 based on 1,377 ratings.