Gregorius - Stift Engelszell

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Reviews: 123
Hads: 458
rAvg: 3.8
pDev: 11.58%
Wants: 36
Gots: 69 | FT: 3
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Austria

Style | ABV
Belgian Strong Dark Ale |  9.70% ABV

Availability: Year-round

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Beer added by: benfons on 10-24-2012

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Photo of potownbill
1.91/5  rDev -49.7%
look: 1 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 1.75 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

I am not sure what happened to this beer, whether it was the dregs of the batch or not, but the bottle was around 50% sediment. I poured it into a tulip glass, and it clugged like a spoiled bottle of milk. One sip was all I could handle, and the smell was musty. I don't think I am going to try this again, given that it was not cheap, and there are better beers out there. (373 characters)

Photo of 71CrazyOtto
2.37/5  rDev -37.6%
look: 3 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 2.5

Meh. Tasted more like a stout mixed in with some bad sugar. Boozy burn, a big disappointment coming from a Trappist label brewer.

These Austrian monks should brew German style beer and leave the Belgian styles to the master Trappist that actually reside within Belgium or at least near the border.

What brewer gets the Authentic Trappist label next some western Russian monks, sigh. (385 characters)

Photo of kevinlater
2.42/5  rDev -36.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

330mL bottle into goblet. best before 21.01.17. consumed on july 8, 2015

a: light mahogany, caramel-y, somewhat deep red with about a finger of light brown or dark tan head

s: licorice, roasty caramel/brown sugar, dark chocolate, apple, maraschino cherry, raisins/vinous scents, soy sauce, mild alcohol. very unique and complex, but not pleasant

t: follows the nose. strong-ish licorice, cocoa, and lightly salty soy sauce up front. sweet cherries, apples, and mild caramel flavours are in the mid-palate. not-so-dry finish which lets the sweetness linger

m: good medium-plus thick mouthfeel, but lacks the dryness at the end

o: chocolate-covered maraschino cherries with added artificial sweetness and soy sauce. no thanks! (736 characters)

Photo of PDXHops
2.63/5  rDev -30.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

11.2 ounce bottle poured into a St Bernardus goblet. Deep hazy brown with an initially puffy cream-colored head that dies down disappointingly quickly. A bubbly skim clings tenaciously, and a bit of crackly lacing is left up top.

The chief aromas are bready malt and a pronounced woody character that seems out of place, although not altogether unpleasant. Lighter medicinal, dark fruit and leafy notes.

Tastes a bit messy and disjointed. Perhaps some aging would help smooth things out. At this point, though, it's a mishmash of massive candi sugar and dark corn syrup sweetness coupled with a somewhat artificial tasting tangy fruitiness and a ton of alcohol. Just big and boozy vs warming. Milk chocolate, vinous, sugary, woody, cherry pie filling. A lot going on here. It's kind of a mess, truthfully, although I suspect it might be a pleasantly surprising cellar experiment. Pretty nice coating mouthfeel. I find myself unusually intrigued by a mediocre beer. (966 characters)

Photo of apintofknowledge
2.98/5  rDev -21.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Appearance: Pours deep chestnut with a medium cream-colored head
Aroma: Herbal, yeast, slightly medicinal, with a hints of smoke and wood (not that I can think of any reason for these to be in there given what I know about the beer)
Mouthfeel: Medium body with a fizzy, effervescent carbonation
Taste: Initially mildly sweet, slightly nutty, into a slightly medicinal and vinegar-like middle, with hints of red wine, sweetened cocoa and plum, finishing in a dry, musty, tart cherry flavor reminiscent of cough syrup. In reading this back it actually tastes a bit better than the flavor notes I make here. Still, all the flavors are somewhat subtle and somewhat muddled, with only a lingering leathery tartness left on my palate.
Overall: Not at all what I was expecting, and not really sure how to categorize this one. Sometimes not fitting within a style or definition is good, but this beer is a bit of an enigma, and I have nothing to really compare it with, but also nothing to truly define it. In the end, I just didn't really love the taste. While Stift Engelszell's other current beer (Benno) is also beyond style boundaries, I quite enjoyed that one. I'm not sure I'd pick this one up again. (1,199 characters)

Photo of GuyIncognito
3/5  rDev -21.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

I got this bottle from a friend who works at a distributor. I really wanted to like it- 8th trappist beer, from Austria, made with alsatian wine yeast, etc. etc., but it was just a boozy mess. Unimpressive appearance, strong phenols, and lackadaisical finish. At 9.7 abv it packs a punch, but it is a boring, slightly off, punch. (329 characters)

Photo of TMoney2591
3.03/5  rDev -20.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Served in a tumbler at Local Option.

I had to start off with the newest Trappist brewery, didn't I? This stuff pours a clear topaz topped by over a finger of khaki foam. The nose comprises caramel, toffee, stone fruits, fig, and light clove. The taste brings in more of the same, though unfortunately accompanied by some musty apple/white wine grape character throughout. This flavor just ruins everything, literally leaving a bad taste in my mouth. The body is a light medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a fluid feel. Overall, it seemed as though the Local Option crew agreed with me that this beer, though well-looked-forward-to, really fell flat on its face, especially with that weird flavor in there (which is exacerbated by the alcohol level). Without any hesitation, this is the worst Trappist beer I've ever had. Hopefully I can try more from this brewery in the future, though (meaning: Engelszell, don't try to be Orval, 'cause this nonsense ain't no Orval, homies!). (989 characters)

Photo of BlackBelt5112203
3.11/5  rDev -18.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

330 mL bottle poured into a chalice at cellar temperature.

L – Cloudy deep brown color with a 1-finger bubbly, creamy tan head. Pretty good retention and nice lacing.

S – Wow there are a lot of medicinal phenols here. Honestly this smells like cherry Robitussin to me. If I try to get past that, I can get some toasted and roasted malts, molasses, chocolate, and cloves.

T – Once again, the cherry Robitussin is there. Again, if I’m looking past this, it starts sweet with caramel malt, molasses, dark cherries, and possibly a bit of chocolate. Medicinal phenols appear quickly along with spicy black pepper and clove yeast notes. Some coffee-like roasted malt appears at the finish.

F – Medium-bodied with decent carbonation, a sticky and mouth-coating feel, and a sweet dark cherry medicinal finish that lasts for a while. Alcohol is slightly noticeable in a throat-warming sensation at the finish.

O – This beer is not great. It’s not so bad if you can get by the Robitussin, but it just takes so much effort to do so. The phenols are just too pervasive in the aroma and flavor. By looking at the current reviews, I only see a couple other people even mention phenols. Maybe others don’t see it or maybe it doesn’t bother them, but it’s too much for me. In my opinion, there are much better Belgian strong dark ales out there. (1,354 characters)

Photo of stakem
3.13/5  rDev -17.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.75

500ml bottle poured into a goblet. Despite a careful pour, some yeast chunks make their way into the glass. The brew is a dark brown, quite clouded with a finger of creamy khaki head that holds well with spotty lacing.

Aroma of raisons and apple. Some dark maltiness provides a sweet sugary feel to the nose like dates, toffee and brown sugar. Slight tangy alcohol feeling.

The taste has an upfront character like cider. Lots of apple-like flavors blending with raison and brown sugar. Some neutral alcohol feel to this and a slight tang. The malt presents itself with a mild toasted feel to it.

This is medium bodied and moderately carbonated. Overall not a bad brew but I wasnt the biggest fan of the strong cider flavors which comprised most of this beers profile. (770 characters)

Photo of lynchmob9
3.13/5  rDev -17.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

A: poured 1/3 bottle ibto tulip glass. Pours dark, chestnut brown. Starts out with quarter-inch sandy colored head which dissappears quickly into nothing but ring around glass.
S: interesting...bacon, figs, brown sugar or molasses, sultana, raisins.
T: anise, dry-roasted grain. White pepper. Burnt rye toast. Chocolate covered sugar cone. Beer version of Underberg.
M: long long lingering finish. I like how it lasts forever however not into overall taste profile.
O: the nose was initially very interesting, and the continuing lingering taste is cool however I don't care for the actual taste that is lingering. (613 characters)

Photo of jazzyjeff13
3.15/5  rDev -17.1%

A 330ml bottle with a BB of June 2014, so it's a bit out of date. Acquired ages ago from Trembling Madness in York and stashed away. I'm hoping age will have improved it. The ingredient list mentions honey....

A: Poured into a Duvel tulip. Bottle conditioned - this contains a vast amount of slimy sediment that looks like snot (perhaps 10-15%). Rather unappetising to put it mildly, and not what I want to see in an expensive brew. A dark brown hue that appears virtually black in the glass. Holding it to the light reveals plenty of floating chunks that I take to be yeast. Yields a small head of beige foam that disappears rapidly. Quite disgusting.

S: Aroma of sweet, fruity malt with hints of prunes, raisins, fruitcake, brown sugar, mild molasses, marzipan, subtle yeast esters and a touch of stewed leaves. A warming whiff of booze in the background.

T: Tastes of sweet, fruity malt that borders on cloying, with a subtle bitter finish. Notes of prunes, dried fruit, fruitcake, brown sugar, mild molasses, faint marzipan, stewed leaves, harsh cardboard and fruity yeast esters. A touch of solventy alcohol in the background. Quite sweet, followed by a restrained, herbal bitterness upon swallowing.

M: Mouthfeel is smooth and tingly, with effervescent carbonation and good body. A slightly harsh quality on the palate. Somewhat astringent, accompanied by an aftertaste of sweet, fruity malt, stewed leaves and acrid cardboard.

O: Disappointing; particularly the gunk in the bottle. Unpleasant looks, while the aroma and flavour are rich and sweet with harsh undertones. Body is OK. It resembles a quad but hasn't aged as well as I might have wished. Fruity but plagued by off-notes and generally unsatisfying. Perhaps this is just a bad bottle - the potential is certainly there. I may re-review if I get the chance. That said - caveat emptor. (1,855 characters)

Photo of OneDropSoup
3.24/5  rDev -14.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured into a stemmed tulip: Dark brown body with just some chestnut highlight around the edges under three fingers of light, glistening cappuccino head.

Smells Christmasy. Mostly fig, some prune, plenty of nutmeg & cinnamon-like spice character, a sharply rum-like note (sugary without the booze), banana, slight mustiness.

First sip yields some molasses, a bite like plum skin, some baking spice. There's a dryness in the finish that's kind of husky & meaty, papery, a little boozy. That character grows with each sip & kind of gets unpleasant. I've tasted it in some of my dark homebrews, not sure if it's from the dark malts or a product of the honey or what. It subsides a bit in subsequent sips but never totally goes away. Other pleasant tastes emerge, too, like orange & a little pear, but that rough taste never quite goes away.

Full-bodied, but sort of sticky & astringent, coats the mouth with a little of that husky feel.

I think this would get more of a pass if it weren't a Trappist, but really has some rough spots to work out. I can definitely see potential there, & what's good is really good. (1,115 characters)

Photo of janubio
3.24/5  rDev -14.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

330 ml. bottle. Dark brown colour, off white head, not big and not much retention. Smell of figs or raisins, fennel, clove and some cinnamon. Astringent palate, with some medicinal flavor. Light to medium body. Taste ia acid, fennel, cherries and chocolate. A bit messy, not really one of the best trappist I've tasted. I'll to keep one bottle aging and try again. (364 characters)

Photo of Franziskaner
3.27/5  rDev -13.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Dark brown to nearly black in color. An inch of light beige head rests on top. I smell dark malt and honey. I taste earthy dark malt and honey but it just seems a bit too simplistic. The mouth is fairly carbonated and tastes of alcohol. There's a moderate dark malt aftertaste. (277 characters)

Photo of ciderguy
3.28/5  rDev -13.7%
look: 4.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Bottle purchased from Beer Planet in Brussels - Was really excited to give this one a try. Pour was just as I hoped it would be, nice and dark and full rocky head. Nose was crazy complex, strong aroma of smoke (if not charring), as well as dark bitter chocolate and black coffee. Good, full mouth feel but just as the nose suggested strong smokey rauch flavor. Almost burnt taste. Taste changed little as the beer slowly warmed. Not bad, but not great either. I would argue the Austrians still have a thing or twto to learn from the Belgians. (542 characters)

Photo of jtierney89
3.3/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

deep semi murky brown fluffy off white head that dies rather quickly. smells nutty rich and earthy smells sweet musty and woody.

tastes a lot like the smell. a bit medicinal and booze, very musty semi vinious but not like a good wine. drinkable and good but I'm not sure if it's up to trappist standards (304 characters)

Photo of mxchap
3.3/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Appearance: Medium dark brown color. Poured in a 15cL glass, so no comment(s) on head/retention.
Aroma: Candied fruits (prunes and cherries). Chocolate and caramel malt.
Taste: Bready / malty with spices and some hot alcohol. The finishing flavor of this beer is quite odd and frankly makes the beer sub-par. The candied fruit flavor smacks your tongue at the end with such force. It's almost like a sweet red wine.
Mouthfeel: Strong, alcohol noticeable. Sticky at the finish. Light-medium carbonation.
Overall: A weird beer, but it does have some redeeming qualities (notably aroma and mouthfeel). The fermentation procedures and quantity of adjuncts do not seem to be typical. However, this beer does have a lot of potential. (727 characters)

Photo of popery
3.4/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.25

Pours a deep, rich brown. Thick beige head. Sticks around well. Very good looking beer. Unfortunately, the rest of the beer didn't live up to that appearance for me. The aroma is a mix of medicinal yeast and toasty malt notes. Little bit of nail polish remover and wood. The malt has some nice things going on - toffee, dates, plums, caramel, bread and molasses - but it's still kinda simple. There's just too much sweetness mixing with those medicinal Belgian esters, and it doesn't really work. The taste is quite sweet. Somewhat cloying. Oddly vinous and still fairly toasty. It's kind of a mess. Fair bit of booze. Fairly heavy feel. Coats the mouth more than I'd like, but that might be more a flavor issue than feel. Carbonation is normal. This was a disappointment. I was pretty excited to find this beer and try a new Trappist brewery, but it's just not very good. (872 characters)

Photo of bmwats
3.42/5  rDev -10%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 33 cl bottle into a chalice.

A: Dark brown. Pours a half finger, bubbly, brown head. Dissipates quickly. Fair beer ring lacing.

S: Roasted coffee, raisin, plum, dark chocolate, and tea leaf.

T: Sweet raisin, bitter pecan, and pungent tea leaf, accentuate a rye bread malt.

M: Thick and syrupy. Sweet, hot, and boozy feeling.

D: Sip and enjoy.

Atmosphere is pretty good. Slight bubbly head and some fair lacing. Sweet fruity components mostly overshadow the light roasty, chocolate, and earthy flora components. As in the nose, sweet fruity components are the most prominent characteristics, pungency and light bitterness are also present. A little hot and boozy. Overall, this is a pretty good quaff. (732 characters)

Photo of RCane1
3.43/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

"Product of Austria" gave me pause and "Brewed with Honey", induced a slight frown. Both were justified. This seems like two beers carefully mixed to create the illusion of Belgian Trappist complexity. The first beer is a very strong, dark, slightly bitter ale. The second is a sweet honey ale that counteracts the bitterness of the first. Nevertheless, the effect is a decent and drinkable brew.

Very, very dark head with an acceptable head. Smells malty and sweet. Strong flavor, slightly bitter on the back of the throat, slightly sweet on the tongue. Decent in the mouth. (577 characters)

Photo of Phyl21ca
3.5/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Bottle: Poured a clear deep brown color ale with a generous head with OK retention and light lacing notes. Aroma of caramelized malt with light dry fruits with quite a bit of residual sugar notes. Taste is also a mix between caramelized malt with some dry fruits notes with quite a bit of residual sugar. Body is about average with good carbonation and no apparent alcohol. Not bad bit lacks cohesion and balance as well as those candy ester that the other Trappist have. (471 characters)

Photo of JohnGalt1
3.5/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Bottle picked up at the COOP tonight for about $6... Poured into my HotD goblet and received a short lasting tan head with little to no lacing... the brew is hazy dark walnut... Looked like quite a bit of yeast/sediment got into the glass during the pour before I noticed.

Nose shows earthy dark maltiness with little in the way of traditional esters or phenols.. mainly just dark malt with a subtle kiss of malt sweetness... does not smell "malty" though if that makes sense.

Flavor is dominated by again sorta dry dark malt essence... a bit of sweetness reminds me of a musky mead... dry dusty, sorta nutty dark malt on the finish.

Okay carbonation and body.. but both seem a little muddy.

Better than average certainly, but I guess I was hoping for more.

3.5's across the board. (786 characters)

Photo of Cramshawbar
3.5/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

The nose is off, the taste even more and the alcohol comes through too aggressively.
If this is a strong Austrian example of a trappist beer, they have a long way to go to catch those Belgians. (194 characters)

Photo of rangerred
3.5/5  rDev -7.9%

330ml bottle into a goblet.

Pours a hazy very dark brown with a fluffy light tan head that doesn't stick around for a very long time. There is a lack of lacing as well.

Aroma is almost like cherry juice. Smells strongly of dark fruit with some caramel and molasses. Not bad but seems a bit sweet.

The flavor hits very hard with the cherry and plum. It is very fruity with the sweetness to go along with it unfortunately. Caramel and honey comes in later with a quick shot of wood and alcohol. Sweetness lingers through the finish with alcoholic warmth.

Overall, this beer is just not that refined and complex. It is actually somewhat disappointing for a Trappist beer. Nothing to go out of your way for. (708 characters)

Photo of roblowther
3.52/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to Woody for the brew. This looks like the stuff. An almost black brown with a very minimal creamy tan head. Smells of raspberries, cherries, and pipe tobacco (I only know because of my Pop and do not condone said products. Blech.) The taste has a lot going on, grapes, cloves, that tobacco thing, and something that tastes like plants smell. I know that's vague, but this review is free, so you get what you pay for. Mouthfeel is slippery and carbonated in a very controlled way. Overall, I don't like this beer quite as much as I want to. It has potential, but the taste just doesn't quite pull things together the way I'd hoped. Still. You won't go wrong. Especially if Woody is keeping you supplied. (710 characters)

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