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Old Tom - Frederic Robinson Limited

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155 Ratings
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Ratings: 155
Reviews: 94
rAvg: 3.74
pDev: 12.57%
Wants: 2
Gots: 12 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Frederic Robinson Limited visit their website
United Kingdom (England)

Style | ABV
English Strong Ale |  8.50% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: cokes on 01-13-2003

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4/5  rDev +7%

Photo of heygeebee
3.5/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

From Warner's. BB Aug 13

Pours a deep dark brown. Half finger tan head fades to a clumpy film.

Strong aromas of port, rum, brown sugar, and caramel. English malts to the fore. Little hop presence.

Taste is warmly alcoholic, making me think more rum in the barrel! Rum and brown sugar are dominant flavours in with the English malts. Alcohol starts to take over as it warms.

Mouthfeel is a bit thin for ABV. A little harsh on the back palate.

A good beer, but too alcoholic to be a very good one. Drink ability very much down by end.

Photo of mmapes
3.17/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Traded from Ben in York (thanks!)

Pours cola brown, but is much darker in the glass, a deep reddish brown. Not much head (the bottle is dated about 10.5 months ago). A second pour yields some fizz that dissipates quickly. Served at refrigerator temperature.

Smells mostly sweet and malty, maybe a little sour but not unpleasantly so. Vanilla? Very little hops or bitterness on the nose. Expected a sweet, smooth, carmelly, barleywine-ish flavor based on the smell.

Taste is a bit dryer and more astringent than I expected. Alcohol is very forward. At fridge temps, the flavor is pretty subtle compared to the booze, but I expect will be more interesting after warming up a bit.

As it warms, it grows on me. It has some interesting leather/tobacco notes. Still not very heavy for an 8.5% ale, so perhaps that's a balance some people will like.

Not really what I'm looking for in a strong ale -- I usually like something maltier, smoother, rounder, sweeter. This one is more mineral/alcohol/dry.

Photo of TMoney2591
4/5  rDev +7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served in a Dogfish Head snifter.

Haven't had a good ol'-fashioned British old ale in a while, so let's see how this one stacks up. It pours a deep garnet-brown topped by a finger of tan foam. The nose comprises molasses, black pepper, dark red wine grapes, light oak, and a pinch of clove. The taste brings in more of the same, along with a hint of tobacco and some extra pepper for the sake of it. The body is a light-leaning medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a fluid feel. Overall, a very nice old ale, one certainly worth re-visiting on a number of future occasions.

Photo of Offa
4.42/5  rDev +18.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This is an excellent strong/old ale/barleywine-type and is to me an example of a strong English ale that is very similar to a strong dubbel-type.

Deep red brown, almost black, it has a medium-big dark tan head steadily shrinks to foamy ring, some weak lace.

Aroma is ginger bread with molasses, brandied cherries, metal, tiny hint of vinegar.

Taste is light and lively in body and feel, dark brandied fruits, brandyish toasted-spicy dryish finish with bitter wood. It has a lot of brandied cherries throughout, with spicy-peppery-woody qualities, zesty, engaging.

Photo of yesyouam
3.68/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Old Tom is a reddish brown ale with a soft, dense, khaki head that has nice retention and lacing. It has a sweet, malty aroma with a healthy dose of chocolate. It smells a bit like wet stone. It's medium bodied and quite smooth with a dry finish. There's lots of chocolate in the taste-- not dark chocolate-- milk chocolate. Besides that, there's a little grassy bitterness. There's kind of a malt extract flavor. It's a bit sweet and the sweetness lingers. The chocolate seems a little out of place with the base beer, but I'll always take chocolate in beer.

Photo of Kirdo
3.75/5  rDev +0.3%

Photo of daliandragon
4.3/5  rDev +15%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I was lucky enough to live in England for a year in my salad days and despite knowing jack all about beer or styles or hops or anything, I found I enjoyed English Ale. As this proudly claims to be the "World's Best Ale" I have high hopes for it, although I realize somewhere someone is buying that Bud is the "King of Beers" as well. Here we go.

Pours a murky, even, chocolate brown with little head and almost no lace, Nose is fruity with grapeskin and plums and your basic malt notes. Understated but just about right. Taste is mellow and hides 8.5% like a magician. I do taste the pepper mentioned on the label briefly but the flavors generally blend together. Carbonation is blessedly light. English hops (Goldings?) show up in the finish and aftertaste, bit only in a supporting role. Love the balance throughout. The goal isn't to amp up or overwhelm, but to satisfy. Not everyone loves traditional English Ale, even in England, but this is excellent English ale.

Photo of akttr
3/5  rDev -19.8%

Photo of aztraz
2.75/5  rDev -26.5%

Photo of MEP
4/5  rDev +7%

Photo of BedetheVenerable
3.95/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Presentation: 11.2oz brown pop top bottle with classy raised letters and nice, simple label. Best before June 2012. Picked this up at Sainsbury's in Gateshead. Damnit, how I miss Northumberland...

Appearance: Into my New Belgium Globe, this pours a beautiful dark walnut with bright garnet highlights, crowned by a thick, immensely creamy (almost like nitro) cap of dark ivory foam that shows great retention.

Smell: Near room temperature this shows attractive notes of juicy, almost wine-like dark fruit overlaying a subtle, sweet caramelly malt backbone. Swirling brings out toasty pale malt and a ghostly hint of smoke, which is a bit surprising. This is quintessentially British, and it's quite inviting, even if it's not immensely complex.

Taste: More malt than suggested in the nose. This is actually toasty malt-forward at first. A bit of sugar as well, both in a brown-sugar sort of flavor, and the fact that this feels significantly lighter than a beer of this gravity should. Winey dark fruit takes over the flavors almost immediately, and while I have no reason to believe this has any kind of bugs (esp. Brett) in it, as does Gale's Prize Old Ale, there's just a hint of acidity.

Mouthfeel: Feels like about 6.5%, rather than 8.5%. This aids in drinkability, yes, but I'd like just a bit more malt chewiness here.

Overall: This was on my "gotta find" list for several years, as I love traditional English Old Ales and Barleywines, so I was stoked to find it at Sainsbury's on our first night in Gateshead. Is it all that I hoped for? Well, not quite. I'd opened a bottle of this across the pond and was flat-out disappointed. Seems like I drank that bottle far too cool. At room temperature, this is much better. The booze is wonderfully warming, the dark fruit/winey esters are much nicer than in some examples of this style, melding with the sweet, soft malt background, and the dark caramel is nice as well. Do I love it? No. That being said, it's probably coming up on 9-10 months old (at least) now, and it's aged very nicely. The mouthfeel's a bit thin, but the flavors are nice, and for what I paid for this (about $3.60 US), I would definitely pick up 2-3 of these each winter. Game changer? No. But definitely a well-crafted, ultra-traditional, and quite tasty English Old Ale.

Strong B+, possibly pushing A- territory

Photo of Rojada1988
4/5  rDev +7%

Photo of LiquidAmber
4.12/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a Black Raven pint glass. Pours a dark clear red amber. Nice two finger light brown head with good retention and lacing. Intriguing aroma of dark malt and fruit. Flavor supports the aroma, sweet malt, dark fruit, distinct molasses, hints of cherry. Complex and fun to drink. Finish rather abrupt, leaving memories of faint dark malts and light hops; somewhat watery in the finish, unlike the main body of the flavor. Slightly oxidized flavors. Medium bodied, approaching, but not quite reaching creaminess. I like a beer that appears interesting and then surprises with an unusual flavor profile and this does both. Nice ale that I will return to. I also enjoyed the chocolate and ginger versions.

Photo of sommersb
3.7/5  rDev -1.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Tasted On: 05-02-2012
Freshness: Not indicated
Packaging: 330 ml brown bottle
Glassware: Snifter
Purchased: Single from Midtown, Nashville

Appearance is a clear, dark burgundy color, topped by a small tan head. Both retention and lacing are low.

Aromas are malty sweet and fruity, with notes of wood and molasses.

Taste is rich; the malts give bittersweet chocolate, toffee and caramel flavors and the hops have a spicy/peppery character. Both sweetness and bitterness are moderate and balanced.

Mouthfeel features a medium body and low to medium carbonation. The finish is dry and lightly bitter, with some alcohol warming.

Overall I found this to be an enjoyable, well-balanced ale, although a bit expensive.

Photo of Halcyondays
4.44/5  rDev +18.7%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

11.2 oz. bottle, nice to see another beer I've read about in Michael Jackson's books show up in the Southland,

A: Pours a clear mahogany, medium white head, good retention, light lace.

S: I like this from the first sniff. Great leather and English malt, cherry skin, very inviting, I love a good nose.

T: As spiritous and sweet as the nose was, the flavour really reins it in. Great molasses and dark dried fruit notes, raisins, but never super sweet.

M: The dryness on this beer is exemplary on a beer that initially seemed this sweet. I love it, this is the drinking man's old ale. Nice soft carbonation, medium-bodied, never really full-bodied.

O: This is a great English beer, the dryness makes it really dangerously drinkable. A modern classic as I've read and heard about this beer from the late legendary Michael Jackson, but never had a chance to try it, glad I came upon it today.

Photo of Harkrank
4/5  rDev +7%

Photo of metter98
3.7/5  rDev -1.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: The beer is clear dark brownish amber in color and has a light to moderate amount of visible carbonation. It poured with a thin beige head that gradually died down, leaving some wispy lacing on the surface and a thick ring of bubbles around the edge of the glass.
S: There are light to moderately strong aromas of dark fruits in the nose along with notes of sweetness; these become a bit stronger as the beer warms up.
T: The taste is similar to the smell and has flavors of dark fruits along with notes of dark malts and a light amount of sweetness. Flavors of plums seem to stand out in particular.
M: It feels medium-bodied on the palate and has a low to moderate amount of carbonation. No warming from the alcohol is noticeable.
O: Although this is a nice beer to sip, it’s quite drinkable because the alcohol is well hidden from the taste and it isn’t heavy on the palate.

Photo of crossovert
3.73/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

330ml bottle. Proclaims to be the "World's Best Ale". LOL.

It pours a nice reddish hue with a foamy but short-lived off-white head.

The smell is of ripe fruit and raspberry licorice.

The beer is full-bodied. It has a rich malt flavor that cuts through with some nice fruit flavors and a bit of metallic flavor.

Photo of TheWhiskerReview
3.99/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a very dark brown with a 1-finger tan head that reduces quickly, thin lacing.

Nose is massively complex with waves of malt, alcohol and fruity esters- aromas of silky chocolate, black pepper, smoky molassas, plum, dry earthy spice, raisin bran- faintly woody and sour-

Mouthfilling body with a very chewy-syrupy quality to the malt, like a bran porridge with chocolate sauce. Mild carbonation seems to throw that syrup into every corner of the mouth, lingering for a while with some cacao and dry toffee, but tempered by the peppery alcohol and the mildly bitter, earthy hoppiness. Booziness hangs for a second before the sorghum-like, vague sourness cleanses the palate and leaves woody hints alongside of a chewy, malty dryness.

A boozy one for sure, but with the complexity of flavor, it really comes off as some sort of delicious malt liqueur. Could use a little more fruitiness on the palate, but the nose is stellar.

Photo of Mar02x
4.03/5  rDev +7.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - A deep red ale with some of the nicest carbonation bubbles racing to the top. The bubbles really start from the center of my Struise glass on their way to the top. On top floats a strong beige foam layer.

S - Smells like malt syrup with a touch of sherry.

T - A malty beer, not to sweet though. Little fruitiness in the back. The complexity stays the same, there is no depth.

M - A medium carbonation that fits this British ale perfect. The body is rather full and the bitterness rather mild.

O - A good ale, but World best as the CAMRA claims???

Photo of OtherShoe2
3.63/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours dark brown with a head that dissipates instantly.

Interesting aroma. Cherry-wood and watery earth. Dirty water. Hmm. I want more here.

I like this. Some fruit and a touch of alcohol up front. As the alcohol in the palate clears, you get a hint of cherry, then this dries out to a fruit and nutty bitter brown bread crust finish. Surprising complexity here, even though it seems like it shouldn't be. What I don't like is that the flavors don't linger. Even the booze is quick. You drink this fast, but because you want more, not because you are seeking more of the same.Nuts, cherry fruit, a touch of alcohol, and light watery bitterness in the end.

Medium bodied, a bit mushy.

I liked this, but could have liked it more. Needs some lingering flavors, even though the complexity is there. Flawed but good, and worth trying.

Photo of OzmanBey
5/5  rDev +33.7%

Photo of sfprint
3.75/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

exp 08/12/12
Poured into a Chimay chalice (i know...)

A: Single finger, cream colored head with various bubble sizes, though mostly very small, approaching nitro size. No visible rising carbonation through an impenetrable darkest brown.
S: Dark coffee/cocoa malt base with a banana/vanilla/alcohol sweetness. The alcohol is fairly present and sits on the pharmaceutical side.
T: My first barleywine and the taste is not what I expected. Alcohol falls more into the background, difficult to describe flavor. Not so beer like, yet it is. It's nice, but the flavor is really, in another place. I do taste a coffeeness in the aftertaste. Very difficult to describe, but nice. Somewhat punchy and sour in the aftertaste.
M: The feel is sort of thick and the mild carbonation is pretty nice.
O: Interesting, different. Definitely try it, it's good but I'm not in love.

Photo of spicelab
3.09/5  rDev -17.4%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Bottle thanks to Lukie.

Dark treacle with a very aggressive pour yielding a two-finger tan head. Good retention and decent lace trails.

In-your-face boozy port nose. Molasses, brandy cherries, raisins and oak. Too much booze.

Very similar to the nose with a tad less aimless booze. Lacks dimension and complexity but holds your attention with the intensity of the fortified dark fruit character.

Mouthfeel is way too limp for flavours this big. Simply no carriage of the bold character that it should be all about.

Disappointed by this. Excessive booze rawness that pretty well fails to integrate with the rich malt and dark fruit character. Similar to, but a pallid imitation of a decent Scotch or Old Ale.

Old Tom from Frederic Robinson Limited
84 out of 100 based on 155 ratings.