Troublesome - Off Color Brewing

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BA SCORE
85
very good

807 Ratings
THE BROS
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outstanding

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Ratings: 807
Reviews: 135
rAvg: 3.78
pDev: 12.43%
Wants: 36
Gots: 98 | FT: 4
Brewed by:
Off Color Brewing visit their website
Illinois, United States

Style | ABV
Gose |  4.30% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: MasterSki on 06-17-2013

Most brewers spend a lot of time and effort keeping lactobacillus out of their breweries; it was the first thing we brought in (it still has to stay in the corner though). We blend together two different beers to make Troublesome. The first is a somewhat uninteresting wheat beer and the second is an overly acidic & funky beer fermented solely with lactobacillus. We blend the two beers together with coriander and salt at the tail end of fermentation to create a mild, lemony tartness and a fuller sensation of mouthfeel. And yes, it's hard to make.

10 IBU
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Ratings: 807 | Reviews: 135
Reviews by unclejazz:
Photo of unclejazz
3.49/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Great pedigree at this brewery and glad they started distro in NY. The label design is wonderful, hoping the beer inside is the same.

Pour very thin white head that dissipates quickly, moderate carbonation. Biscuits smell up front with a touch of funk. Flavor is slightly tart with just enough salty to make the mouth water. Sort of a Belgian yeast flavor and clean finish. Light mouthfeel and on the dry side of things.

This is the first beer I had from Off Color, and while not my favorite in the style, it has some good things going for it. I will follow this brewery to see what is next.

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Photo of smakawhat
4.04/5  rDev +6.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Poured from the bottle into a wheat ale glass.

Slightly opaque but a neat hue to this beer. Deep brass green with lemon edges, a nice little amount of view shows off the carbonation nicely. Head is fleeting at about three fingers, even pinhead bubbled and falls easily to a simple puck.

Real nice nose. Lemon and some briny salt tartness. Some dried spiced notes but a little buried. Sweet breaded bakery malts. Quite a nice bouquet.

Palate comes real nicely. Matching dough bread sweetness, mild salinity a bit and kind of grassy notes in the mid palate. Palate feel is a bit wet though, but flavors still manage to be captured. Big on the dough on the finish, but not so much chewy and popping texture. Little bit of lemon and flat soda on the front and mid palate as well.

Overall a pretty enjoyable and solid brew.

Photo of NeroFiddled
4/5  rDev +5.8%

Off Color Brewing "Troublesome"
12 oz. brown glass bottle, no apparent freshness dating.
$3.25 @ Stinky Bklyn, 215 Smith Street, Brooklyn, NY

I can't deny that marketing affects me. When I saw the label on this beer I just had to try it. In addition to the artwork, the label also reads "SECRET INGREDIENTS: Coriander, Lactobacillus"...

It looks like a Berliner weiße or Belgian witbier with a light straw gold body that's gently hazy and a short but creamy bright white head. The smell is a touch off-putting at first. To me it smells like spent grain, and perhaps a little bit of that "old bar" smell where dripping draft lines have left small puddles of beer in some unseen area, covered in white mold. Beyond that there's coriander, and the combination gives a bit of a wet straw or damp plywood character. The flavor is much the same, with the flavor of the lactobacilus coming in right up front, followed by bright coriander, and then sweet malt that gently fades away. It's tart, but not overtly so, and the balance of tart going to sweet is interesting. Oddly I find it a bit salty as well... ? ... and I see that it's listed on Beer Advocate as a Gose beer, but that's not on the label, nor is salt listed as a "secret ingredient"... but of course, it is (I checked their website). So now it all makes sense. Well that's great. Personally I find the salt a bit strong, but that's up to the brewer to decide. It's curious, charming, and ultimately, refreshing and enjoyable. It's not the best gose bier I've had, but I'm impressed and I'll have to try seek out and sample more beers from them.

Photo of BeerFMAndy
4.29/5  rDev +13.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

12 oz bottle poured into a tulip.
4.3% ABV, 13°P, 10 IBUs

A - The hazy pale straw yellow beer struggles to retain it's fluffy white head beyond the halo of loose bubbles it disintegrates but it comes as no surprise with lactobacillus, a souring agent, at the helm.

S - The "secret ingredient", coriander, along with salty notes, gives the nose a nice spicy bite but doesn't draw as much attention as it's other "secret" friend, Lactobacillus; the reason for the slightly funky and deliciously tart aroma. Soft wheat and simple pale malt comprise a gentle base for the unique funk to spring off of.

T - Almost like a slightly soured witbier, Troublesome has a prolific, tasty wheat profile with delicate coriander spice, which imparts a touch of lemony citrus, and slight saltiness on the finish.

M - Carbonation dances on the tongue but this wheat beer is incredibly smooth with delicate tartness that's overcome by gentle lingering saltiness and coriander spice for a refreshing, thirst-quenching finish.

O - If it weren't for the tart and acidic addition of lactobacillus, Troublesome would be very witbier-esque as it's bountiful with soft wheat and coriander spice but this German-style Gose makes for an incredibly easy drinking, crisp and refreshing brew!

Photo of sweemzander
4.19/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

12oz. bottle poured into a tulip.

(A)- Pours a clear pale yellow color. Some decent white froth that dissipated quickly.

(S)- A light honey wheat grain and lemon peel aroma. A very slight spiciness at the end. Hints of underlying tartness.

(T)- Pretty much just like the smell. It has a lightness to it with a honey wheat like grainy yeast meets subtle salty spiced lemon rind. Ever so slight tartness to it.

(M)- A great balanced carbonation level and feel overall. Definitely light and a crisp easy drinking character. As it warmed, the salty spice becomes more prevalent.

(O)- Gose is still a bit new to me only having tried a few of them, but this is really enjoyable and best consumed colder than room temperature.

Photo of BEERchitect
4.08/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Troublesome in that wheat beers want to be "Wheat", and that sour beers want to be "Sour", and that spiced beers want to be "Spiced". But it doesn't come so easily as this revisit to a historic style of beer might seem avant garde to the uninitiated imbiber, but to those in the know of Gose understands its spicy, wheaty and sour ways.

With the delivery of the pour, its hazy canary-yellow glows with supple diffusion as light captures hues of gold and straw. Shedding a creamy sheet of foam, the ale trails with dissected necklaces of lace.

Its tangy, citrusy and bready aromas come with notions of sea brine, cork-like must and sweat. Enticing with an earthen scent of weathered woods, perhaps of attic and basement- a scent of dried lime, lemon and orange peels all float above a taste of sugar and shortcake to suggest the scent of "warheads" candy.

Its taste is much more firmly rooted in ale character as its sweetness is of light bread, sugar cookie and confectioners sweetness. But that lavish party is cut short as the middle opens with citursy tartness, fading bread, and a nod to iron and plaster in its tangy finish.

Semi-dry in its mouthfeel, its early creaminess is bready, lofty and lightened. But as the bubbles dissolve on the palate, a dry tartness takes hold- leading to slight warmth, acidic twang and soft powdery astringency.

Off Color's revival of Gose is a discovery of taste and the mind and the palate is transported to a time that's perhaps unimaginable. Yet this beer exists in all its wheaty, sour and minerally demeanor!

Photo of thampel09
2.88/5  rDev -23.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3

Worst attempt at a gose I've ever tasted

Photo of tigg924
3.39/5  rDev -10.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3.25

Taste is orange, coriander, and lemon. I do not get the saltiness that I typically associate with the style despite a bit of mineral taste. Worth a try, but there are others that I prefer in the style.

Photo of deebo
3.55/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

On tap at Jakes in Chicago. Served in a pint glass without a head. Clear very light pale yellow in color. Not much going on in the aroma department. Hints of wheat-grainy cereal. Hints of lactic acid...but very weak. Taste is just like the aroma with a weak salt finish. Light bodied, with a zingy quality. Very low level of lactic acid.

A very simple easy to drink brew. Not a lot of character but refreshing on a hot day.

Photo of JamesStreet
3.85/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Poured on tap at CB&D
Tasted like hot dog water - but in a good way! Not overly salty and the coriander was allowed a little breathing room. Not bad at all.

Photo of ONovoMexicano
4.18/5  rDev +10.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Served in a snifter from a 12 ounce bottle.

Two fingers of thick pale head form over the body. Chewy and foamy. The body is cloudy and pale golden in color. 4.5

Big notes of coriander, wheat, light lemon and a touch of salt. Faintly sweet. 4.5

Sweet wheat and coriander are dominant, but light salt and faint tartness round out the flavor. 4

Very enjoyable to drink. Mostly sweet, but not cloying, with a touch of spice feel. Tartness is faint but provides a good balance towards the finish. Salt dries the beer out a bit. 4.25

This is enjoyable to drink. Sweet witbier with a touch of salt and tartness. If you like your gose closer to a sour, this may not do it for you, but it's a good brew.

Photo of tastybeer
4.1/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Bright orange color, medium white head. Aroma is sweet, peppery, spicy, flowery, and generally pleasant. Very likable thus far.... Taste is crisply dry, floral and spice, nice white bread malty, and well balanced. Just a touch of salt makes things interesting. No overwhelming flavors and nicely light. Perfect for Spring and very easy to drink.

Photo of Beezee
4.5/5  rDev +19%

excellent unique beer. easy to drink. nice balance of flavors

Photo of Roguer
3.82/5  rDev +1.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Cloudy, extremely pale yellow brew, topped by a thin white head. Little retention.

Strong aroma, significantly hinting at yeast and coriander. Banana, lemons, an herbal greenness, milky wheat, and a hint of sulfur.

Brew is a nice, refreshing, tart mix of a wit and a Weiss. There's a bit of a fruity spiciness and notable yeast. The nose is well represented on the tongue.

Very lively brew, silky, but medium-light bodied. Drinks easily and refreshing, but the wheat aspect keeps it a bit thicker and fuller than most beers at such a low ABV.

This is a very tasty and refreshing brew.

Photo of Alieniloquium
3.17/5  rDev -16.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter.

Appearance - Pale yellow body. Small white head. Very thin collar.

Smell - A bit of lemony citrus. Wheat. Light breadiness and spice.

Taste - Wheat. The faintest of acidity, but not even tangy. Spicy and bready in the middle. Light salty finish.

Mouthfeel - Light. Not sour at all. Medium low carbonation.

Overall - It's ok, but it just tastes like a salty wheat beer.

Photo of russpowell
3.97/5  rDev +5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours an effervescent gold with a pinky of pearl colored head. Hazes up with alright lacing & head retention

S: Tartness, maybe some Spelt & faint lemon notes

T: Tartness, some saltyness with wet cereal notes up front. Some of the coriander come through as this warms with slight pepperiness & a little lemon as well, saltyness too. Finishes salty, slightly tart & with wet cereal

MF: Medium bodied, soft carbonation

Fairly on point for the style, easy to drink, solid but I like the one Choc makes more

Photo of ChrisL24481
4.03/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Appearance - Cloudy, straw yellow, with a .5 inch, white and bubbly head. Tons of carbonation can be seen raising from the bottom of the glass.

Aroma - Smell is strong with a combination of lemon, coriander, and wheat.

Taste - Slight lemon tartness with touches of coriander and wheat.

Mouthfeel - Light on the body, carbonation and tartness mix together on the tongue.

Overall - A very solid offering from Off Color. My first and only brew from them, but would definitely want to try more from them.

Photo of tomciu
4.04/5  rDev +6.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

This was my first goes and didn't know what to exactly expect. I must say that this beer is deliciously refreshing. The sourness was present bit not at all overpowering. Very slightly tart with some coriander, tang, and wheat/earthiness coming through. Head was thin and lacing was thin too. It was missing something taste wise. Was a very pleasant straw yellow with lots of carbonation. Carbonation seemed right for the style but could have been calmed down a little. Overall a very good beer and look forward to drinking it this summer.

Photo of jason_nwx
2.69/5  rDev -28.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

All I got was a weakly flavored, average wheat beer.

Photo of marcobrau
3.16/5  rDev -16.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Lactobacillus isn't normally the brewer's friend, but it shows up in this beer in spades. I'm not a sour beer noob, but I'm not a big fan either. I have to say that I bought this not expecting a sour beer. I probably should have known better when I saw wheat beer and coriander on the label. (Both traditional ingredients in Gose.) I've certainly had much better sour beer, but this wasn't awful. Any brewer willing to play with lacto is rather courageous and for that they should be commended. Also, not the beer to have after eating chili.

Photo of KYGunner
3.78/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

This had a cloudy appearance with an apricot hue. The head was short lived with a fizzy body.

The aromas are faint but easily perceived. Wheat is strong with a lemon or lemongrass scent.

The taste is wheat-centric as the actual grain shines through. The coriander is subtle but instead of the typical orange this moves more lemony. The lemon is sweet and citrusy with no real bitterness but more sugary.

The feel is so light and sessionable that it nearly disappears before you notice its gone.

This is akin to a Blue Moon but instead of moving to the Orange it's lemon flavors make it more drinkable. Top it off with a stronger wheat presence this stands as a really good session beer.

Photo of mikeburd1128
3.2/5  rDev -15.3%

The few offerings I've had from Off Color have all been very enjoyable. This one, eh, I dk. It's just alright.

12 oz bottle poured into a Three Floyds Teku. Pours a light golden straw color with a finger of a white head. Nose is nice. Lemon, some mild brett funk, salt. Taste is just so salt heavy that it's offputting. You get a tiny tiny bit of funk - kinda have to search for it though. And a lemony/salty finish - which to me is just not working very well. Mouthfeel is moderate - a little more body than you'd expect and carbonation is low.

Again, this is decent, but the salt is just way too dominant in this one. It needs some more flavors to balance it out. Brewed with brett so I'll throw a bottle or two in the basement for a bit and see how it turns out.

Photo of emerge077
4.39/5  rDev +16.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

2014-15
Troublesome is a great base for making beer cocktails. So far, memorable blends have been guanabana, lemon, and passionfruit. Give it a whirl!

8-8-13
Had this again today, two glasses. It was more sour than the first batch, maybe more of the lacto in the mix. Almost citrusy and very juicy, even had a slight tang in the aroma. Everybody ordered one after trying a sip, could drink this all night...upping S/T/M scores. Timeless simplicity, though plenty of nuance also.

06-27-2013
Draft pint at Map Room.

Pale straw color, slight haze with a sturdy lasting head of white foam on top. Some slowly rising carb trails visible, copious lacing that leaves a drippy intricate pattern in the glass.

Coriander steals the show aroma-wise, it's the main component, with some light mellow wheatiness in the periphery.

Snappy and crisp, it has a zippy tartness that is extra quenching. Smooth feel, light bodied, notes of coriander and wheat linger in the dry aftertaste. Brisk carbonation scrubs the palate, making this both a summer refresher and excellent palate cleanser when pairing with food. The clean tartness is pleasant and balanced, not extreme. The low abv lends itself extremely well to sessioning. Definitely will be a go-to session beer once it hits shelves in six-packs later this year.

Note: Six packs are $9.99-10.99 in Chicago, if you're paying more you have your local distributor/retailer to thank.

Photo of fourstringer
3.73/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a Duvel tulip. Moderately aggressive hand. No date on the label or bottle.

A: Hazy to mildly cloudy, pale golden yellow body. 1 finger white head. Below average retention overall, but typical for the style. Minimal lacing.

S: Slightly musty yeast with wheat notes. Coriander. Lemon. Light banana. Grass. Faintly floral hops. Cracker.

T: A faintly spicy yeast comes first and is quickly followed by wheat/pale malt flavors. Light, citrusy tang, but not particularly sour. Mild vanilla notes midway. Some hops bring a mild bitter edge to close things fairly dry. No significant alcohol presence, as expected. Pretty clean finish with some lemon, corn and some subtle salinity in the aftertaste.

M: Moderate carbonation with a light body. Easy drinking. Slightly prickly.

O: This one is fairly mild in flavor, even for the style. The hopping strikes me as more pilsner than gose. I found the salt to be buried a bit. On a positive note, the nose is rather nice.

Prost!

Photo of wedge
3.58/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Milky yellow topped with a thin head that drops to a creamy ring. Aromas of grainy wheat, lemon, lactic funkiness, spicy/leafy notes, and a little coriander. Tart, tangy flavor upfront followed by a load of fresh wheat toastiness and citrus. Coriander sweetness, a slight mineral quality, peppercorn, less lacto funk than the smell. Fairly light and crisp with only a bit of pucker lingering. An interesting, quite refreshing beer. Soft, tart, and savory...

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Troublesome from Off Color Brewing
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