Troublesome - Off Color Brewing

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BA SCORE
85
very good

123 Reviews
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Reviews: 123
Hads: 866
rAvg: 3.8
pDev: 4.21%
Wants: 36
Gots: 106 | FT: 6
Brewed by:
Off Color Brewing visit their website
Illinois, United States

Style | ABV
Gose |  4.30% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: MasterSki on 06-17-2013

Most brewers spend a lot of time and effort keeping lactobacillus out of their breweries; it was the first thing we brought in (it still has to stay in the corner though). We blend together two different beers to make Troublesome. The first is a somewhat uninteresting wheat beer and the second is an overly acidic & funky beer fermented solely with lactobacillus. We blend the two beers together with coriander and salt at the tail end of fermentation to create a mild, lemony tartness and a fuller sensation of mouthfeel. And yes, it's hard to make.

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Photo of SammyJaxxxx
4.28/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Poured from a 12 Oz bottle with a great label. (am I allowed to figure the label into my rating for appearance? )

A: Fantastic golden hue nice fluffy head that dissipates pretty quickly and leaves decent lacing. And the label has a mouse in a raccoon suit
s: Corriander, a little sour and bananas
T: a nice combination of slight sour spices malts but where is the salt?
MF: Crisp and clean
O: First sniff was great and I originally a little disappointed with the taste. As it warmed it improved and I was quite impressed. It is a Gose and I an still looking for some salt though. Oh yeah and a great label. (615 characters)

Photo of ocelot2500
4.5/5  rDev +18.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a hazy golden color with a soapy white head that leaves little bits of lacing.

Smells of wheat, coriander, and earthy notes.

Tastes of the sharp wheat notes layered with some salt and spice. Wheat notes lead off. This gives way to some fruity lemon and berry notes. Tart notes come through in the middle before a bit of bready malt. Coriander spice, salt, and earthy hops come towards the end. Finishes fairly dry with a salty linger.

Mouthfeel is medium-light with a crisp amount of carbonation.

Overall, this is a tasty, well-balanced Gose. (557 characters)

Photo of Myotus
3.86/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12oz bottle into a Mikasa weizen glass. Pours with a half finger's worth of white foam that shrinks to a quarter's worth within 30 seconds. Pale straw yellow in color with a subtle cloudiness. Bubbles are in abundance with moderate lacing. Has mild aromas of wheat malts, coriander, and sweetness from pilsner malts that combine with subtle aromas of salt, spicy hops, and sour and earthy yeast. Initial taste is of mild salt (I'm so glad the salt is more perceivable in tatse than smell), coriander, and wheat malt flavors. Mild sweet flavors from pilsner malts enter immediately after along with subtle spicy hop and earthy yeast (no sour yeast can be tasted, that's disappointing) flavors as all previous flavors persist in magnitude except for coriander, which fades from mild to subtle. Light-bodied, subtly carbonated, and very crisp. The coriander along with the spicy hops and salt agitate the tongue in a tickling manner. It's quite pleasant. This was a really good beer, but not a good gose. The flavors simply weren't strong enough. (1,058 characters)

Photo of terence
2.79/5  rDev -26.6%
look: 3 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.75

This one is okay. I don't pick up much of the coriander and salt. It tastes and feels more like a wit than a gose. It is pretty easy drinking, a lot of carbonation. Thin body with very little after taste.

Nothing I would write home about. I'm don't think I'll be drinking this one again. (295 characters)

Photo of BeerAdvocate
4.03/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

From BeerAdvocate Magazine #88 (May 2014):

Lemony, Salty, Refreshing

A twist on the Gose style as it’s a blend of two beers; a wheat beer and funkified, acidic beer with coriander and salt added during fermentation. The result? A pale, slightly hazy, yellow, thin laced beer with acidic suggestions in the nose, and funk and wheat in the background. Fizzy, prickly carbonation with a firm mouthfeel, a bit breadiness, touch of sweetness, tart, lemony bite, and lingering coriander and salt. A very thirst inducing and quenching experience, without the over-the-top acidic burn found in too many sours.

STYLE: Gose | ABV: 4.5% | AVAILABILITY: Year-round (657 characters)

Photo of BeeryMcbeerenstein
3.88/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

I want my Gose to be subtle, but I don't really taste the salt or the tartness from the lacto at all. This feels like a pretty solid wit, but definitely not a Gose. (165 characters)

Photo of ISO1600
3.66/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 3.75

Honestly if you gave me this in a glass and didn't tell me what it was, I would think it's just a wheat beer. Not sour, not tart, not salty.
It's a totally decent beer, but if you're looking for an exciting Gose, keep moving. (226 characters)

Photo of Mnigro
2.04/5  rDev -46.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 1 | feel: 3 | overall: 1

If I could rate a beer based on look, smell, and mouthfeel this one would do ok. Unfortunately for this beer, i base my ratings on taste. This is an absolute turd of a Gose. At $10 a 4 pack too - to say I am unimpressed is an understatement. Barely any salt, some coriander, zero sour profile. Terrible Gose.

The smell is there, murky straw color, good carbonation too. (371 characters)

Photo of Qbdoo
3.85/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Tasty, light-bodied beer that gets more complex as it warms, though it was hard to hold off sucking it down. It's all yeast and coriander. Crisp in feel but gets creamy and bready as it warms. Reviews here are pretty meh but I'm going back to this beer when I'm looking for a tasty, low ABV beer. (296 characters)

Photo of danbar
2.88/5  rDev -24.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 2.75

This beer is troublesome in that it is neither sour nor salty. Had this been classified as a wit beer, it would probably get better scores but this has to be the worst gose I have ever had. It has nice carbonation, I will give it that. But only that. (253 characters)

Photo of ThisWangsChung
3.43/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12 oz bottle into a teku.

Appearance: Pours a cloudy straw color. The head is a finger high and white in shade. Retention - while not great - is surprisingly long for this kind of beer, and its texture is creamier than normal. Only a little bit of lacing sticks to the glass, though. (3.25)

Smell: Very lactic. There's a strong crabapple bite that invades the nostrils, as well as a touch of coriander. It seems to miss that salty note that other goses have, though. But having said that, this also seems more easy going than the most. We'll see how it tastes... (3.25)

Taste: I get a surprising amount of the "somewhat uninteresting wheat beer" at first. To me, coriander is the dominant note, with only traces of lacto and salt rounding things out. More of the latter qualities appear as more is drunk. The whole thing is restrained, subtle, and balanced - it's not my favorite gose, but I still dig it a whole bunch. (3.5)

Mouthfeel: Very full-bodied for the style. Despite the fullness and the relative sweetness, it remains refreshing and easy to drink. Carbonation is oddly restrained, but it works. (3.5)

Overall: I honestly prefer the very sour yet salty version of the style (think along the lines of Union's Old Pro), but I can certainly appreciate Off Color going for a more 'traditional' and restrained gose. This seems like a beer that will reveal more layers the more I drink it, and that's always a good thing. Naturally, I'll have to buy more of this to find out. (3.5)

3.43/5: Certainly not troubling on the palate (1,537 characters)

Photo of mmesce2
2.94/5  rDev -22.6%
look: 3 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.75

I had a draft at Lucky's wicker park. Super pale and transparent. High head which quickly dissipated. Smells like it will taste quite bitter, virtually no aromatic hops, but a bit of spice (probably coriander ). Tastes a bit sour. Would not have again. (252 characters)

Photo of MarcGetty
3.73/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

BA says this is a Gose which is by definition unfiltered, but this beer is very much filtered. I'm all for style-busting beers, so I'm just sayin' is all.

Quite a bright flavor, a lot like a crystalweiss, but with an added flavor. The label says coriander and lactobacillus, but I can't say for sure what the flavor is like, I just can't figure it out, and that is not a good thing.

Drinkable? Yes. Great? No. Would I purchase again? Probably not. (449 characters)

Photo of ta_hagen
5/5  rDev +31.6%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Great Gose, first one and best one so far. It's has no acidity, light bready/wheat grain character. Slight hints of coriander and sea salt. Yummy in my tummy. It has a light body, and a dissipating finish. For sure to grab more! (230 characters)

Photo of Zach136
3.89/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Medium clarity yellow, thin to not head/lacing.

Aroma: bready with a hint of coriander and lactic.

Flavor: Virtually no acidity, light bready/wheat grain character. Slight hints of coriander and sea salt.

Mouthfeel: Light bodied, velvety texture. Dissipating finish.

Overall: Fairly true to style, but there's a reason the original style is virtually dead and modern American intense versions are flourishing. (426 characters)

Photo of MUTINY
4.3/5  rDev +13.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Literally just opened the bottle, poured into a wine tumbler.

A: Straw-hued with no real cloudiness. Nice off-white head dissipates fast. Lacing is ok, although the glassware may be affecting that somewhat.

S: A bit of lacto-funk, citrus & brine. Mellow malt grain notes.

T: Sweet & tart. Comes on lemony & leaves with a lingering dry brininess (which is nice). Definitely more lightly tart than truly sour. Could use a bit more aggressive salt on the finish, at least to my palate.

M: Surprisingly substantial. Carb balances nicely against the somewhat heavier-than-expected body. Don't get me wrong, it's not exactly dense, just fuller than the appearance suggests.

O: I tend to like the saltier versions of this style, but this guy delivers a lot of goodness in a balanced package. Darn good, refreshing, a crushable sipper. (846 characters)

Photo of Moose90
3.51/5  rDev -7.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.25

Served from 12oz bottle and on-tap, updating notes

A — Pours a moderately clear, though still slightly hazy, light pale yellow into the glass. There is a nice nearly white colored head atop of the beer, though minimal lacing is left behind.

S — Smells of light wheat and pale malts, as well as some lightly acidic and tart lemon.

T — Lots of wheat, little bit of salinity and tartness, but really a lot of wheat and malt sweetness.

M — Light-Medium bodied, there is a lingering sweet finish as well.

O — OK overall, really would have loved some more tartness and less sweetness. (594 characters)

Photo of UrbanCaveman
3.99/5  rDev +5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle, poured into a snifter at ~45 degrees F.

Appearance: Pours a mildly hazy, very pale straw gold and forms a massive, if somewhat short-lived, white head. This actually looks like a slightly hazy version of (insert any AAL name here).

Smell: Heavy with orange and coriander, accompanied by just a hint of salty wheaten malt, and a mild funk.

Taste: Take a swig of some verging-on-spoiled orange juice and, while holding it in your mouth, tilt your head back a little and pour about half a fast food salt packet into your mouth as well. Then close your mouth and swish. Voila, you have how this beer opens! As it progresses, the orange and salt fade into the background, allowing the musty funk to come more to the forefront, alongside some distinct herbal tones. The finish is a lingering salty funk.

Mouthfeel: Light and effevervescent at first, but there's something about this beer - possibly the way in which the opening taste is so very like partially spoiled OJ, that makes it seem as though it has that sort of filmy, almost stringy quality to it.

Overall: This is a tasty gose. Would repeat. (1,115 characters)

Photo of 1000lbgrizzly
4.1/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

A: Very pale slightly hazy yellow with an army of very fine bubbles ascending. White thin head. Gotta love the artwork.

S: Not much. Coriander, wheat. I feel like it's actually sucking up any ambient fragrances around me and muffling them.

T: My first thought: This better be a gose (I hadn't checked the style beforehand). Everything is faint: faint corn, faint coriander, faint lemony wheat. And it all fades to nothing, just leaving a puzzling dryness different than astringent tannins (this is the salt). Perfect for the style. Just not necessarily for me, although I do love the drinkability.

F: Perfectly fluid, light carbonation that is really only noticeable on the bigger gulps (thank goodness for it, or else this would be down in one mouthful). Genuine crispness.

O: So close to Corona, yet so far away. Super light and drinkable, but has that little edge of real flavor and crispness over the aforementioned macro and others like it. Gose will probably never be a favorite style of mine, but this sample has all the characteristics to make me respect and appreciate the category. (1,095 characters)

Photo of drpimento
4.36/5  rDev +14.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Very good beer. Appearance is traditional with a smallish off-white head that soon settles and a hazy yellow color. Aroma is grain and yeast. On my first sip I got wheat, grain, a little tart & coriander, but no salt. Second sip got all of that but then got a little salt too. Body is just right. Very nice drinking beer. Wouldn't mind another. (344 characters)

Photo of founddrama
3.13/5  rDev -17.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Sought for so long and then it's… ok. I get those salty coriander flavors, and/but reads like a wheat beer so there's that. (Drives it home: I don't much like wheat beers.) Sparkles on the tongue though, and goes pretty well with a beet sandwich. (248 characters)

Photo of rlee1390
3.8/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

A-Clear yellow, two finger head that lingers, not much carbonation

S-Wheat, coriander, not much else.

T-Too much coriander, a little wheat. There isn't much else to it.

M-Lighter, crisp and dry.

O-Not sour, lacking in salt, not sure how this gets classified as a gose. (273 characters)

Photo of JamesStreet
3.85/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Poured on tap at CB&D
Tasted like hot dog water - but in a good way! Not overly salty and the coriander was allowed a little breathing room. Not bad at all. (158 characters)

Photo of adapt313
3.77/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a cloudy light golden color with a solid frothy white head that lingers for a while. Smells like an infected hefeweizen, although not necessarily in a bad way. Grassy, funky wheat, corriander, tart lemon zest, and yogurt. A light saltiness as well. Taste follows the nose pretty well, a funky, spiced wit that got the lacto treatment. I wish there was slightly more tart and slightly less corriander though. Mouthfeel is crisp, appropriate for the style. I wish it was slightly more tart and funky, though I do still really enjoy this beer. I'm not a big wheat beer drinker but this is a go to summertime brew anytime it's around. (644 characters)

Photo of StevieD77
2.8/5  rDev -26.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Small to medium white creamy head. Hazy pale gold color. Aroma has a slight funky note, but overall is a bit indistinct.
Taste has a slight bite up front. There is a bit of a wild sour nature here, but it is overly tempered by a watery wheaty base. I would like to see more sour and less wheat. There is a faint salty tinge to the finish. Aftersight is fairly flat looking. Just a few spots of soapy cling and a thin ring of retention.
Overall, this is an entry level sour which might make a decent session beer. Stronger sour presence is called for. Decent for what it is intending to be. (598 characters)

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Troublesome from Off Color Brewing
85 out of 100 based on 123 ratings.