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Troublesome | Off Color Brewing

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BA SCORE
86
very good
147 Reviews
BEER STATS
Reviews:
147
Ratings:
986
Avg:
3.82
pDev:
30.89%
 
 
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52
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TroublesomeTroublesome
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Off Color Brewing
Illinois, United States | website

Style: Gose

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 4.30%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
Most brewers spend a lot of time and effort keeping lactobacillus out of their breweries; it was the first thing we brought in (it still has to stay in the corner though). We blend together two different beers to make Troublesome. The first is a somewhat uninteresting wheat beer and the second is an overly acidic & funky beer fermented solely with lactobacillus. We blend the two beers together with coriander and salt at the tail end of fermentation to create a mild, lemony tartness and a fuller sensation of mouthfeel. And yes, it's hard to make.

10 IBU

Added by MasterSki on 06-17-2013

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Reviews: 147 | Ratings: 986
Photo of ghirsh
4.42/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Amazing beer. The best part is that it definitely grows on you. It gets better with every sit. I'm new to the sour world, and this one is pretty mellow.

A: Somewhat cloudy from the yeast. Strong yellow color.
S: Bananas, cloves, and a bit of salt
T: AMAZING! Bananas and cloves like a hefeweizen, but not quite as intense. A hint of salt towards the finish. A tiny bit sour, but not too much.
M: Feels a bit crisp, but also bubbly from the carbonation. Interesting blend of mouthfeel, but it's pretty good.
O: Great beer. There are a lot of spot-on qualities. I'll be buying anything I can find in the store from Off Color.

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Photo of tigg924
3.39/5  rDev -11.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3.25

Taste is orange, coriander, and lemon. I do not get the saltiness that I typically associate with the style despite a bit of mineral taste. Worth a try, but there are others that I prefer in the style.

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Photo of deadonhisfeet
3.78/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Poured from a bottle into a Lost Abbey Teku. The pour is light hold, hazy, and sports low carbonation. Significant lactic sourness on the nose. Lemons, green apples, fruit salad, white wine

Light body and firm feel. Wheat-like graininess. Slightly sweet up front with notes of apples and pears, then a gentle lactic sourness creeps in. Sour apples, champagne, and ginger ale. Very pleasant balance of sweet and sour. Not much of a finish. Slightly sweet and fruity. Very refreshing and easy to drink.

Not sure just how to rate this as I am completely new to this style and cannot seem to find the style guidelines for gose anywhere on the internet. (Hey BJCP, don't you think it's time you updated the style guidelines on your website? It ain't 2008 anymore.) From what I gathered, I feel like there should be more of a salty, saline-like character to this beer that I'm not getting. Other than that, I found it to be very enjoyable.

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Photo of Barnoloid
4.4/5  rDev +15.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

I’m still relatively new to enjoying Gose style beers, but I feel this is a solid representation of this most interesting brew. There is a sourness and funkiness at play here with a citric and salty feel. Enjoyable and thought provoking.

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Photo of Slatetank
3.87/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

I enjoyed this on tap at Federal Taphouse in Harrisburg, served chilled in a snifter.

The color is golden with lightly hazed appearance and thick white head wtih fine bead. The gose has a beautiful resplendent golden faded look wiht lace that sticks and retention is very good. The smell is lightly mineral up front with slight fruit ester and citrus in the aroma with mild malt and gentle yeast ester with a tropical quality and gentle salt scent. The feel has mild spice with subtle salt quality with medium carbonation and light sweet middle with gently tangy texture and mostly dry finish.

The taste has mild malt with wheat character and light grain toastiness and slight mineral aspect but not excessively salty tasting with mild tropical fruit in the background. Overal I liked this -very good traditional and drinkable gose - more traditional than some which is unexpected considering the brewer but pleasant and quaffable.

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Photo of CasanovaCummins
3.23/5  rDev -15.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours with some nice lacing. This has a very nice nose of, well, coriander, of course. It also has a slight lemony/ sweet biscuty smell. Very lightly sour, but merely a faint hint.

Now for the magic moment- and... what? very light, faint, almost whispery hints of lemony wheat. Really lackluster compared to the nose. Strong nose, weak flavors. Keep expecting the flavors to pop, but they never do.

Mouthfeel is a tad watery and thin. Good carbonation for a few seconds then a puckery flatness. Lacto nothing. Not catching any wildness here. Feels like a ghost after the nose of promise. Just average with no lasting flavors on the palette.

Coming off Westbrook's salt laden mouth popper this just feels lackluster.

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Photo of ONovoMexicano
4.18/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Served in a snifter from a 12 ounce bottle.

Two fingers of thick pale head form over the body. Chewy and foamy. The body is cloudy and pale golden in color. 4.5

Big notes of coriander, wheat, light lemon and a touch of salt. Faintly sweet. 4.5

Sweet wheat and coriander are dominant, but light salt and faint tartness round out the flavor. 4

Very enjoyable to drink. Mostly sweet, but not cloying, with a touch of spice feel. Tartness is faint but provides a good balance towards the finish. Salt dries the beer out a bit. 4.25

This is enjoyable to drink. Sweet witbier with a touch of salt and tartness. If you like your gose closer to a sour, this may not do it for you, but it's a good brew.

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Photo of hopsputin
4.26/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

a: very hazy light yellow in color. very bright. 1/2 finger white head that fades to just some lacing

s: wheat aroma hits you right away. some big malt and berry sweetness that you get in some weizens. more wheat and a bunch of coriander, and a hint of cardamom. slightly like apple juice

t: this is my first Gose, and its quite an interesting brew. wheat and coriander upfront. that fades into some sweet malts and berries. this is then balanced out by the salt. its so interesting the salt incorporated in here. its not 'salty' but you do get a little bit of sharpness from it which makes it extremely refreshing

m: despite the lack of head here, its pretty highly carbonated. a nice amount to help the sweetness and salt sharpness pop

o: like this much more than i thought i would, not being a salt person. its extremely tasty, and super refreshing - but doesn't have any overpowering flavors. nicely harmonized

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Photo of DefenCorps
3.65/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Bottle from Julio's.

A crystal clear light yellow with a dense, white head that falls off to a ring leaving little lacing, this looks solid. The nose is solid. Definitely wheaty with a mild lactic sputness and a yogurty funk, there's a mild grape like character present as well. Coriander is reserved, allowing the wheat and lacto to dominate, making this more of a berlinerweiss/gose hybrid. Mildly sulfury as well.

The palate opens tart, refreshing and with a blend of buttermilk, yogurt, wheat bread, and some grist. The mid palate has a mild coriander flavor, but the lack of salt makes this pretty interesting. By taking away that downright quenching character, this really veers off into berlinerweiss waters. Very light in body with a mild, watery moutfeel, disappointingly so, this beer is moderately carbonated and feels OK on the palate. Decent stuff.

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Photo of Jwale73
3.84/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle courtesy of Brew33 and served in a stange. Pours a slightly pale straw gold with a hazy clarity and a rocky, half inch, bright white head. Head dissipates into a loose band around the shoulders. Copious tiny bubbles are present effervescing in-solution. Nose expresses citrus, brine and a hint of coriander and sour mash. Taste consistent with nose; however, less brine and more sour mash. Mouthfeel is light in body with a pleasant carbonation falling just shy of bright. This is probably my only second experience with the style so I don't have too many frames of reference to compare this to. That said, this would make a great summer offering - reminds me a bit of a berlinner weisse/witbier hybrid.

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Photo of MrBoh
3.98/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Pours a very cloudlly, orangish yellow into my snifter. little head, lacing dissipates quickly.

Smell reminds me of a mass produces lager at first. Soon resides and is a doughy coriander smell. Still, nothing great.

Just a tad salty and a tad sour. Prevailing tastes are lemon, mint, coriander, bread.

A little tingle on the tongue. Crisp yet you can feel residual yeast. Best off both worlds here. It does seem to thicken quickly as it warms though.

good buy. Light, refreshing yet tasty.

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Photo of justintcoons
3.6/5  rDev -5.8%

12 oz bottle poured into a pokal.

Appearance
Hazy straw-yellow with a short white head that dissipates quickly.

Nose
Wheat, lemon, and sourdough.

Taste
Wheat, lemon juice, and some bready malts. Just a touch of coriander and salt.

Mouthfeel
Medium-light bodied, clean, and refreshing with very light carbonation.

Overall
Clean and refreshing. Highly quaffable. However, the Lacto plays a minuscule role in this Gose unfortunately. :(

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Photo of fourstringer
3.73/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a Duvel tulip. Moderately aggressive hand. No date on the label or bottle.

A: Hazy to mildly cloudy, pale golden yellow body. 1 finger white head. Below average retention overall, but typical for the style. Minimal lacing.

S: Slightly musty yeast with wheat notes. Coriander. Lemon. Light banana. Grass. Faintly floral hops. Cracker.

T: A faintly spicy yeast comes first and is quickly followed by wheat/pale malt flavors. Light, citrusy tang, but not particularly sour. Mild vanilla notes midway. Some hops bring a mild bitter edge to close things fairly dry. No significant alcohol presence, as expected. Pretty clean finish with some lemon, corn and some subtle salinity in the aftertaste.

M: Moderate carbonation with a light body. Easy drinking. Slightly prickly.

O: This one is fairly mild in flavor, even for the style. The hopping strikes me as more pilsner than gose. I found the salt to be buried a bit. On a positive note, the nose is rather nice.

Prost!

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Photo of hopley
3.5/5  rDev -8.4%

Not sure where I'm coming out on this beer - don't think I've ever had a gose and I've been excited to try one. It's a delicate light bodied beer - nice dark yellow color with medium haze and little to no head. The taste as first seemed complex with a slight bit of Belgian, slight lacto acid but not at all overwhelming, and refreshing. Can't get much smell out of it, and as I drink the beer down to better try to understand the taste profile, my thoughts keep moving to "this tastes more like a watered down ginger ale" to me - I guess the ginger taste I'm getting is a mix of the coriander and salt. Kind of disappointing for me, but not a bad beer for fans of this style in my ever so humble opinion. Nonetheless, I am excited try some of the other Off Color offerings.

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Photo of cjgiant
3.65/5  rDev -4.5%

On tap:
Pours nicely, decent small bubble carbonation, fading to a fluffy bit of head at the edges. Color is yellow side of golden, translucent. Nose is malty sweet, with a bit of salinity present. I get something a bit like cocoa butter lotion, but with a deep whiff, I can detect some tart undertones.

Taste does not seem to have any sourness to it. The taste is pleasant enough, but far from expectations. There's actually a slight buttery nature to this beer, but it is combined with a sweet-tart candy-like taste (like an apple now 'n' later), and a saltiness that is cut like a salted caramel has the salinity cut.

Really disappointed with the front tartness. Overall an nicely balanced, fairly enjoyable beer, but not exciting or, to me, within style enough.

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Photo of BMMillsy
3.56/5  rDev -6.8%

Bottle shared with a friend at World of Beer in Gainesville. Pours hazy yellowish white colored with a creamy white head on top. Aroma of bananas, clove, yeasty funk, pears, coriander. As expected here. Flavor follows with sweet bananas, yeast, corander, a bit of honey. Mouthfeel is heavy for the style with big rich flavors alongside adequate to plus carbonation. Overall a decent rendition of the style--described as a Witbier, but here looks to be a Gose. As a Witbier, it falls a little short. As a Gose, it's better than others I've had. I would drink it again.

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Photo of yarnbomb
2.75/5  rDev -28%

Smells like buttered popcorn. Is that diacetyl? I don't have a lot of knowledge or experience with beer flaws. Despite that, it's not bad... but not great either.

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Photo of farrago
3.34/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Very thin bone white head, covers the surface before a swift dissolve to just an accumulation along the glass sides, no real lacing either. Metallic yellow color, has good shine to compensate for overall paleness, not any bubbles but what’s there are large and active. The nose is on the flat side, yeast, iron flecks, wet straw, brown dirt, the mixed white citrus struggles to maintain presence, minimal peach, apricot fruit scents, funky on the whole albeit more sugary as it warms. Medium-bodied, heavily carbonated with an active churn in the mouth. Corn syrup kind of sweetness, dough, honey and lemondrops, can’t say it is easy to discern any coriander although there is an undistinguished cooking spice thing there. Peach, yellow apple to cherry flavors. The wheat is clearer, here comes off more as bread than uncooked dough. Semi-tart ending tries to play up earthiness but, again, more metallic than the former. For its weight can be refreshing and strikes one as a dinner table beer more than a quaffer on its own.

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Photo of jlindros
3.68/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Pours a decent fizzy creamy like almost 1 finger head that fades at a med pace, nice lacing, mostly clear golden pilsner color.

Nose brings some tart slightly soured malt, creamy doughy malt and fresh bread dough, lemon zest, little coriander, but pretty light.

Taste brings more wheat, creamy wheat with a little toasty but raw bread dough, doughy that even brings the mild tartness of raw dough, and little toasty biscuit note. Then tart lemony flavors, little zest, mild coriander and spice notes. Finish is mildly sweet but drier, little creamy and more raw dough, tart notes, and coriander lingering.

Mouth is med to lighter bod, light carbonation, and a little tart sticky feel.

Overall not bad, nothing too special, mild coriander which comes through nicely, nice wheat and plenty of raw dough wheat with even the tartness of raw dough and lemony notes, enjoyable for a summer style beer, or a super hot summer like day in fall as in today.

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Photo of Huhzubendah
3.65/5  rDev -4.5%

On draft at Churchkey in D.C.

The beer is light golden with small head that quickly dissipates. Aromas of sourdough bread, funky malt, light spice, particularly coriander, wheat. There's an odd, rubbery scent in there as well, but I can't decide how distracting it is...Sour, earthy flavor. Tart lemon-like qualities. An interesting take on a gose. Unusual and worth a try.

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Photo of clayrock81
3.9/5  rDev +2.1%

Poured a light gold body with some minor head and lace patches.
Aroma is a mix of wheat notes and citric along with some sour and tart notes and hints of spice.
Light and crisp body, sharp, there's a floral spicy edge to the beer and the wheat gives it a fuller body and some sweetness that I wasn't expecting.
Good balance as the above characteristics are plentiful but the main profile is a citric sourness/tartness that makes this a "sour beer".
Finishes dry and sour, almost a puckering tartness at times, but is a unique beer that has a little bit of everything and is pretty good.

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Photo of hosehead83
4/5  rDev +4.7%

Poured from bottle into a tulip glass.
Chill-hazed lemon in color, with a short head of bright white foam.
Aroma-Spicy yeast
Taste-Wheat, spicy yeast, faint coriander, a pinch of salt in the finish. Light-bodied, faintly tart, and very refreshing and quenching. A fine match for a blue cheese salad or light fish entree.

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Photo of mikeburd1128
3.2/5  rDev -16.2%

The few offerings I've had from Off Color have all been very enjoyable. This one, eh, I dk. It's just alright.

12 oz bottle poured into a Three Floyds Teku. Pours a light golden straw color with a finger of a white head. Nose is nice. Lemon, some mild brett funk, salt. Taste is just so salt heavy that it's offputting. You get a tiny tiny bit of funk - kinda have to search for it though. And a lemony/salty finish - which to me is just not working very well. Mouthfeel is moderate - a little more body than you'd expect and carbonation is low.

Again, this is decent, but the salt is just way too dominant in this one. It needs some more flavors to balance it out. Brewed with brett so I'll throw a bottle or two in the basement for a bit and see how it turns out.

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Photo of bruachan
4/5  rDev +4.7%

Appearance: hazy straw gold with only a ring of head. Lines of bubbles floating enthusiastically from the deep.

Nose: distinct wheaty aroma; sweet pilsner malts with a lacticity. Lemon hop notes and a mild spice trail (coriander, clove)

Taste: surprisingly sweet, though effervescence cuts through nicely. The sweetness is quite fruity: like a blackberry-lime soda. Pils-y and wheat-y. Hop flavor is lemony, which melds nicely the faint acidity from the lacbacillus. Nominal bitterness. The finish is tea-like—herbal and spicy—but a little bland.

Overall: this brew has subtleties and little sex appeal (i.e. not barrel aged, not very sour or hoppy), but is quite a nice sip, nonetheless. It’s likely too sweet: it would be more quaffable if somewhat drier, or perhaps more highly carbonated. Additionally, the lactobacillus may under-deliver, but its subtlety is commendable.

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Photo of NeroFiddled
4/5  rDev +4.7%

Off Color Brewing "Troublesome"
12 oz. brown glass bottle, no apparent freshness dating.
$3.25 @ Stinky Bklyn, 215 Smith Street, Brooklyn, NY

I can't deny that marketing affects me. When I saw the label on this beer I just had to try it. In addition to the artwork, the label also reads "SECRET INGREDIENTS: Coriander, Lactobacillus"...

It looks like a Berliner weiße or Belgian witbier with a light straw gold body that's gently hazy and a short but creamy bright white head. The smell is a touch off-putting at first. To me it smells like spent grain, and perhaps a little bit of that "old bar" smell where dripping draft lines have left small puddles of beer in some unseen area, covered in white mold. Beyond that there's coriander, and the combination gives a bit of a wet straw or damp plywood character. The flavor is much the same, with the flavor of the lactobacilus coming in right up front, followed by bright coriander, and then sweet malt that gently fades away. It's tart, but not overtly so, and the balance of tart going to sweet is interesting. Oddly I find it a bit salty as well... ? ... and I see that it's listed on Beer Advocate as a Gose beer, but that's not on the label, nor is salt listed as a "secret ingredient"... but of course, it is (I checked their website). So now it all makes sense. Well that's great. Personally I find the salt a bit strong, but that's up to the brewer to decide. It's curious, charming, and ultimately, refreshing and enjoyable. It's not the best gose bier I've had, but I'm impressed and I'll have to try seek out and sample more beers from them.

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Troublesome from Off Color Brewing
86 out of 100 based on 147 ratings.