New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company
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Reviews by FtownThrowDown:
4.22/5 rDev +12.5%
On draft at Glendale Cafe.
Pours a ruby red in color with brownish undertones. Very big on the smell. You can tell right away that this is big beer. Plenty of malt and sweetness in the taste. Followed by some hops to help round it out. Not incredibly complex, but a good beer. Mouthfeel is huge and creamy. Slightly bittering as well.
07-19-2008 02:55:22 | More by FtownThrowDown
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3.5/5 rDev -6.7%
Poured into an oversized wine glass a clear deep bronze/burnt orange with a large tight pillowey slight off white head that settled slowly leaving a nice ring around the glass.Wow very mild aromas for the style and tame for such a big beer I pick up some brown sugar and dark fruit with the hops being faint in a piney form.Flavors to me are no where near a American DIP to me its kind of in the English Barley Wine style with its big juicy maltiness but the hop presence in the finish makes me think American Barley Wine but not DIPA.Starts out very sweet like honey,brown sugar and alcohol dipped dark fruit not quite cloying but close,a drying resiny,piney hop lingers in the finish.If you were to categorize this as an American Barley Wine I would say okay I can see it but not DIPA.
07-10-2007 21:57:55 | More by oberon
4/5 rDev +6.7%
Slightly cloudy, light caramel body. Small white head on the pour. Reduced to a skim layer with a ring around the edge.
Syrupy sweet with caramel and candy, a touch of raw sugar. A good dose of hops with some pine sap and some floral and citrus hints as well, tropical fruit nuances.
Caramel malty body with a lot of bitterness over the top. The amount of malt balances it well but the hops and carbonation make this crisp and a bit bitter. Pine sap again, some herbal and floral notes. Super hoppy burps bring citrus and other sweet flavors back. A touch of alcohol, but nothing that detracts at all. I kind of agree with others who call this more of a barleywine, but with its hop level I think it falls into the strong ale category given its sugary and malty characteristics.
Mouthfeel is full and a touch syrupy. Coats the mouth and the flavor lingers. Carbonation is there and makes it tingly on the tongue.
This is a good beer throughout. Easy to drink given its size.
06-08-2007 01:02:02 | More by blitz134
3.65/5 rDev -2.7%
Pours a amber brown color with a very thin off white head. Aroma is sugary malts with a definite hint of rubber (very strange, I know). Taste is dark fruits, sugar, and very bitter hops. Very bitter finish but certainly drinkable. Interesting DIPA, not the best, but interesting.
05-28-2007 16:42:48 | More by Duster72
4.25/5 rDev +13.3%
22 oz bottle pours a hazed peach body with a three finger offwhite head that retains well and generously laces the snifter with loads of sticky lace.
Aroma begins with a sharply aggressive hoppiness. Grapefruit and lemon rind up front, with notes of pine resin soaked caramel. This smells thick.
Mouthfeel is quite full for style. Medium carbonation.
Taste is pleasantly complex. Lots of fruity citrus, mostly grapefruit. Hints of orange and lemon. Big chewy maltiness serves up a caramel backbone. Alcohol is disguised very well.
Substantial and meaty. A nice DIPA that is rewarding and challenging.
06-24-2007 21:06:04 | More by merlin48
4.43/5 rDev +18.1%
22 ounce bomber, purchased at Sicilianos's in Grand Rapids MI. (sheesh, what a great place!) No bargain @ $8.19, but you get what you pay for and this one did not disappoint. Poured clear, glowing and glistening amber. Loose medium tan head, and better then average lace left on the glass. Bold, earthy, grassy and minty nose. Bursting with flavor, bold hops jumping onto the palate, alcohol present but mostly kept to the rear. High quality, very enjoyable heady stuff. Went great with a sand wedge of spicy humus and stinky blue cheese. Love these kinda big, bold and hoppalicious, over the top, all American beers...Bring on the bold flavors!
08-30-2008 04:08:27 | More by Billolick
4.45/5 rDev +18.7%
Bright cloudy orange with a deep, thick looking orange sherbet colored head.
Smells mostly of caramel and pineapple. Very strong, deep scents. Not too complex, but it smells delicious. Reminds me of Devil Dancer.
Like the nose, the taste is not overly complex. However, there is a lot of a few good things going on here. Namely, caramel malt, and piney, earthy hops. If I had never had Devil Dancer, this Existential might have completely blown my mind; it could pass for a (slightly) tamer version of Devil Dancer. But if you take it by itself, this is a phenomenally well done beer. It's well-balanced, but packed with flavor, both hops and malt. Maybe leaning a bit more towards the malty side. The mouthfeel is thick and chewy with enough carbonation to go around.
This brew is DELICIOUS. There is no sign of alcohol on the palate, which is just a little bit crazy for a beer with an ABV like this. Existential Ale is dangerously easy to put back.
I have been wanting to try this beer for over a year now because of its name (double major in Philosophy and Russian Studies here). But it took me a while to get around to it because I heard some bad things about it from someone (I don't even remember who it was now). After trying it for myself, I have now reached the conclusion that this beer is vastly underrated. It's become an instant favorite of mine.
04-05-2009 00:31:18 | More by sarahspat
2.7/5 rDev -28%
22oz Bottle into a New Holland Tulip.
A: Rather clear copper/orange color. Thin whiteish head that fades quickly. Leaves just a tough of lacing.
S: Smells sweet and hot. Not at all what I expect from a DIPA. I'm picking up all kinds of alcohol and heavy malts, no hops to speak of.
T: Very sweet up front. Starts like an English Barleywine. Finish is a distinct floral heat with a touch of spice. Unique, but not in a good way. It seems like New Holland was attempting a style bender with this brew, but ultimately it's a mess. Aftertaste is slightly bitter with a lingering burn.
M: Very heavy with light carbonation. This might be the heaviest beer I've ever had, which does work to its favor.
D: The floral/spice aftertaste is rather tiresome. I love breweries that push the style envelope, and this beer appears to be a cross between a DIPA and an English Barleywine. Ultimately, the flavors clash and the hoppiness, if there ever was any, is lost in the crossfire.
07-23-2010 21:17:02 | More by mondegreen
3.78/5 rDev +0.8%
(Served in a tulip glass)
A- This beer has a light toasted-brown body that is crystal clear with a strong carbonation of tiny bubbles. There is a thick spongy film that fades into a film pretty quickly.
S- This beer has a sweet caramel malt and sugary smell with a green hop note and a light citrus perfume note to it.
T- The sugary sweet caramel malt flavor has a note of sweet honey with a soft green hops flavor. There is an alcohol finish that is covered by the hop bitterness that hangs on after each sip.
M- This beer has a medium mouthfeel with a nice alcohol heat that is pretty smooth.
D- The biggest hops are on the label. In the bottle the hops are pretty soft compared to the sweet simple malt flavors. The bitterness of the hops is stronger than the flavor but both are lighter than I expect for an IPA.
06-30-2007 02:34:49 | More by rhoadsrage
2.75/5 rDev -26.7%
Poured from the 22 oz brown bottle into a seidel mug. No best by date. Weak carbonation, thin soapy looking head that fades fast down to a copper colored cough syrup looking beer.
The scent is weak for the style, in fact I think its weak for any style. There is light malts and ghostly remnants of hops. Every now and then I get a whiff of citrus... I think... but its gone just as fast.
The taste is a lot like the smell. Nothing big about it, mostly its a sweet malty one. Kind of syrupy in its consistency but nothing else. There is no hop flavors nor is there any residual bitterness or spice.
Rather disappointing offering. The only positive is the high ABV. Hopefully by the end of this bottle I will be drunk enough to forget the inadequacy's of this beverage.
07-13-2008 02:29:04 | More by jbphoto88
4.13/5 rDev +10.1%
100th review for this beer on BA! Yay for me.
Glowing, glossy rust/sienna immediately indicates some kind of thickness, or big creaminess, as the bubbles are moving in total slo-mo through it, up to a crazy creamy head that dies to a thinner layer of really big bubbles...looks almost like dishsoap after a while. Hmm. Ghostly lace streaks, but not a ton. Everything about this is screaming "Creamy!" so far...even if the flavor sucks, I'm guessing this is a syrupy, thick, buttery and/or creamy wonder of texture. Let's see about that.
But first the nose: Big malt and big hops, intertwined, as it should be with a double IPA. Hops are quite polite, so the malt takes on the presence of thick-ass hella-gooey cookie dough. Alcohol takes on just a bit too much presence in the nose, bringing down the malt/hop wowza just a little.
Oddly, the same kind of thing happens in the flavor. At first a gooey soft-candy sweet maltiness--caramel, toffee, butter, cookie dough--wraps itself around grapefruit-y/rind-like hops. Nice. But then a medicinal presence takes over, lingering into the finish. Luckily, the malt/hop bigness wins out; its gooey, hoppy, malty seduction triumphs.
Is the texture as creamy as predicted? Close. Starts out with perfect thickness, but thins out somewhat. Still, I like the slick, buttery, oily feel here, I just wish the alcohol was incorporated in a more stealthlike manner--the mouthfeel would probably have felt better if the flavor were as fantastic as it should've been.
Although I don't see it anywhere on the bottle, somebody somewhere dubbed this a "Hopwine." It's an apt description, as there are indeed lotsa "hop"; the "wine" could be considered the strong alcoholic part of Existential's personality; but I would throw "bread" in there, due to its doughy-ness. It's pretty close to a barleywine, but its spirit is still very much DIPA. It also reminds of the Bastard family from Stone, same attitude, less control.
11-18-2008 01:02:00 | More by Metalmonk
3.48/5 rDev -7.2%
Bottle from Whole Foods, Cleveland Heights. A strange IPA, commercial description more of barleywine. Bitter IPA mostly, highly carbonated, below average moutfeel. Light orange colour. A little spicy, bready. Drinkable, though not that drinkable,OK as an IPA. A bit of hop aroma.Not all that much flavour for all that a.b.v.
05-24-2009 04:44:21 | More by Sammy
2.98/5 rDev -20.5%
Dark copper sporting a nice medium-tight head and a fair amount of carbonation. Sweet aroma with slight citric notes, and gluttonous hops lurking down deep.
This is a bit too syrupy for this session, but it might be perfect for a cool Fall night. Truthfully, it doesn't taste like much of anything. The aroma fools you, and this tastes like a beer that is a little past its prime. It's not necessarily cloying, but lays heavy on the tongue with a semi-bitter finish.
Like all leery speculation, this really doesn't have much focus, due to the fact it falls short of being a barleywine or big IPA.
Normally, NH never does anything less than spectacular in my book, so I rather not to slam it. It is hard to appreciate this offering, though.
07-20-2007 02:06:45 | More by scott
3.63/5 rDev -3.2%
Appearance: It's a dark reddish color with a creamy one finger head. Very good retention and a nice coat of lace covered the glass.
Smell: Very citrusy sweet smelling. There's some grapefruit, orange and mango present. Hops are strong. Very piney smell to it. Caramel and toffee malts only add to the mix and make this one complex smelling brew.
Taste: Citrus notes really start this out on the sweet side. Grapefruit flavor adds a bit of bitterness. Once the hops kick in, it's very piney and bitter. Caramel and toffee malts provide some balance.
Mouthfeel/Drinkability. Medium bodied. Very lightly carbonated. Alcohol is strong and noticeable. The strength really knocks down the drinkability a notch for me. Overall, it's a pretty good beer. Definitely worth a try.
05-12-2007 05:02:29 | More by prototypic
4/5 rDev +6.7%
Thanks to sefus12 for the chance to try this one. Poured out a deep amber, like unfiltered honey, with a fluffy one inch white head that quickly recedes to lacing around the edge of glass. The nose upfront is a hop and malt blend, not like what I expected. It reminds me more of a hoppy barleywine then a DIPA. Whatever it is, I like it. The taste is the same, lots of hops take on a resin quality, well blended with a heavy amount of malt. Sweet and syrupy like honey with a bit of a bite in the finish. Slight alcohol in the finish as well but not enough to be distracting or take away from the beer. Medium body, this beer really coats the mouth and makes it's presence known. Pretty drinkable considering the 10.5% ABV. Hopwine is the perfect name in my opinion. This one seems like it could really hold up well in storage and turn into something interesting.
02-22-2010 02:29:43 | More by PretzelCity
4.18/5 rDev +11.5%
Hazy, bronzed peach with a coppery-gold influence, I even see a tickle of amber as well. I like the color. Off-white foam; thick and frothy, at the apex the head was only a half finger tall. However, the head retention was decent as the bubbles steadily faded to a soapy cap (and eventually a thin collar). Subsequent lacing was spotty and not very widespread. Still, overall, this is an attractive looking beer with plenty of color complexities.
The nose shows plenty of sweetness. The loudest aromas are the sweet/sour caramel apple notes, red grapes, raisins, and splash of tropical fruit. Muddled hoppiness, which I dont care for; the mix of resin, pine, earth, and hints of citrus fight the apple aromas and clash with the caramel malt/brown sugar vibes. The conflict doesnt work. IMO, the nose is too messy. Nothing standouts. The malt is vocal but it gets shouted out in the end. The more I smell it, the more sugar I detect. Moderate potency the nose doesnt do much for me. It really isnt inviting, Ill call it interesting. EDIT: After about halfway through the bottle the nose lost much of the muddled aromas but a nasty nail polish hotness arrived. No matter how I cut it the nose isnt working for me.
Wow. Where did this come from? The palate has ample bitterness and a wonderful complex hoppy profile. Earthy undercurrents allow pine, spruce, hints of marijuana resin, and grapefruit rinds to shine. The caramel malt lands firmly in the middle, it is fairly hardy and firm. I am impressed. Im surprised. The fruitiness is quite subtle and plays nicely with the other flavors. Much more bitter than I was expecting. While the alcohol is noticeable it is not too much. The toffee and brown sugar only add another layer of complexity. Clean ending, which works because there is a large amount of lingering hop flavors and bitterness. Much drier then the nose led on. The palate is really put together. The beer really suits my palate. This is a hoppy barleywine with true flavors of both a DIPA and a Barleywine. Well done!
Medium/medium-full in body, creamy, smooth carbonation; the mouthfeel fits this beer well. The mouthfeel instructs me to sip and savor (as does the palate). Sometimes I get mixed messages. Not so much here. Lovely.
Screw styles. Many DIPAs are damn near a barleywines and hoppy American barleywines are awfully close to a big DIPA. So, this beer bridges some imaginary gap. Im sure some beer geeks will dislike this beer simply because it is a bastard ale. I for one love it. The aromas concerned me but the palate, mouthfeel, and drinkability shine. Speaking of drinkability, I am enjoying sipping and savoring every ounce. What a nightcap! The mix of bitter hops, rich hop flavors, sweet (but restrained) maltiness, fruitiness, and a clean (think not cloying) finish really makes this beer noteworthy, IMO. I am impressed. Thank you RedHaze!!
07-09-2007 02:41:55 | More by bditty187
3.2/5 rDev -14.7%
This beer just didn't come together for me.
An IIPA needs to have big malt that is absolutely overwhelmed by even bigger hops, and that didn't happen here. The nose, for example, was a mix of really pretty muted citrusy hops, a lot of bready malt, and an overpowering blast of alcohol. The three were pretty much in balance with each other. The taste followed suit.
That could have been fine. After all, I generally gravitate towards more balanced beers. However, the malt component of this beer was really pretty boring. It tastes pretty much like straight domestic two-row. No flourishes from specialty malts, no interesting twists with the base malt . . . just straight barley. And, for my money, 'alcohol' in beer isn't a taste I particularly like. So, the malt is boring, and the alcohol makes up another third, so two-thirds of this beer is at best, pretty dull. As I said earlier, the hops weren't bad, but there really needed to be more of them with a base this boring.
The mouthfeel was really thick and rich. If this had been a better beer, I would have loved how it coated my mouth. As it is, meh.
The beer isn't a bad beer really . . . but it just isn't enough. IIPA is not a style that lends itself to words like 'balance' and 'subtlety'. If you are going to make a beer like that, why crank up the alcohol? Why not just make a balanced IPA or even an APA?
06-15-2007 20:39:16 | More by shbobdb
3.88/5 rDev +3.5%
Second of the day, stared with BORIS the Crusher and sipped slow, really enjoying it. Took a break and the hop head in me wants to get some love. So like any good coach, I revisited my game plan.
I recently got a New Holland Existential Ale from New Holland Brew company in a trade (thanks again wisrarebeer) and decided to pull the trigger. The pour coincides with the Seahawks slowly driving on my Pats... hopefully this New Holland Mojo will change things:
This 22 oz bomber comes via their High Gravity Series. The bottle explains that this "Is what it is." Amen, only if it all were that simple.
Holy soap bath, rubber ducky and all...bubbles explode on top of a golden straw color liquid that turns darker as it takes a tour of the glass. Once filled, the soap suds settle down on top of an inch thick light tan head... but they keep on popping. (shoot, 7-0 Seahawks.. that drive was to long and too easy) Nice lacing... beehive lacing that clings strong and tight. And the lacing lasts, no rings here... this lace sticks like peanut butter, leaving a coat down the glass.
Lots of pine on the nose, mixed in with caramel... nice smelling beer. Not over powering by any means, and the malt driven characters are get stronger as you smell. Kind of like back seat drivers, they don't control this leg of the drive, but they sure as hell want you to think they do. Shit, I just dunked my nose in the friggin beer... god damnit, the Pats can't stop the run and I can't smell a beer....
Hmmm? Where did the piney hop smell go and hide... very sweet, actually very sweet with strong honey and caramel. It's as if the malt and honey brokered a deal where the hops would take the smell and the malts would handle the flavor... but then both of them tried to finagle their way into the other half of the deal, showing up late to the party with a tuxedo on... demanding to be noticed. The aroma was hop on the front with a nice caramel maltiness lingering around and the complete opposite happened for me on the taste... honey, caramel, vanilla on the front with some hop on the finish. The problem is, the Malt showed up in an all white tux with blue suede shoes... out performing the hops. Me thinks this might be better off called Winehop.
It is full bodied and creamy. Plain and simple? It feels good in my mouth. (wow, I was going to erase that and rewrite, but I deserve to be responsible for my initial thoughts... and the pats are down 14-3, this Mojo is NOT doing what I had hoped)
It's a big beer, that is for sure. I recently had Southern Tier Back Burner, which I didn't care for to much... but this takes the sweetness that I did enjoy out of that beer and put it on a platform that suits my style better. I just wish the hops had the fancy tux at this dance. The bottle really summed it up nicely, this beer is what it is.
12-07-2008 21:55:26 | More by calise1122
3.2/5 rDev -14.7%
A 65 cL bomber purchased at Capone's. I am drinking the ale from a Sam Adams Boston Lager glass.
A: The ale is an orange-brown color, closer I think to the orange side of the spectrum. The head exceeded 1.5 fingers and is lacing nicely thusfar in the glass.
S: The term hopwine is appropriate here. It conjures up a wheat or barleywine malt bomb met with big hops. The nose is hoppy but much more significantly it is matly. Thick to the point that the grains take on a tart grape-like flavor.
T: On first sip, the strong sweet malts almost overwhelm the palate. That sweetness is nicely cut by a strong hop flavor that fails to define itself as anything beyond bitter. The big malt flavors and hop bitterness can't distract the drinker from the alcohol warmth that sits just below the surface. That warmth is quite intense and not afraid to kick you around.
M: The mouthfeel is muddled with the big hops and big grains. Both flavor elements struggle to stand out and make an impression. The result is an interesting blend that never quite comes together.
D: The 10.5% abv is through the roof. That, coupled with the ill-defined body, makes me content to stop at one bottle.
07-29-2007 19:54:42 | More by akorsak
3.53/5 rDev -5.9%
No freshness date. Poured from a 22 ounce brown bottle into a pint glass.
Appearance: Hazy dark orange body with an almost nonexistant light tan head and no carbonation.
Smell: Has the same creamy vanilla smell that other New Holland high gravity beers have, most likely because they all use the same yeast. Citrus hop aroma and a little alcohol bite are in the background.
Taste: Rich and creamy. Bitterness and citrus peel are in the finish. The alcohol is noticeable but not as much as some other reviews make it seem.
This is more of a barleywine or strong ale than a DIPA.
02-04-2009 17:32:40 | More by BierFan
2.45/5 rDev -34.7%
This beer was so fresh the store where I bought it didnt even have it in the system yet.
The body is a nicely amber orange brown haze. It hosts a creamy tan head that fades to a skim with some lace. Nose is a sweet mix of odd notes including rasberry, rubarb, and fresh peppers and sweet tarts. On first sip you get a really unbalanced run of flavors including underdeveloped malt, tomato paste, cherry candy, and a hop character that is scattered with notes of raw fresh cut grass. This beer is "odd" overall. Mouthfeel is a bitter doughy hue. I had no real desire to finish this beer.
01-07-2008 02:33:45 | More by SPLITGRIN
3.6/5 rDev -4%
22 oz bottle split. Poured into a nonic. 25.5 degrees plato, 10.5% ABV, and no date.
A - Moderately clear, lightly dusted-with-rust orange amber color with teeny suspended particles. A big bone head pops up and lingers for a decent amount of time before dropping to a creamy layer while leaving thick lacing.
S - Strong background notes of hops that are lightly pine with a huge pineapple citrus aroma slightly overshadowed by beefy caramel malts and a hearty, toasty malt aroma that makes the aroma rich and potent. Pretty sweet too.
T - Fruity and floral hops combine in a clashing way with a winning pineapple citrus zest and flavor while the pine is light, it's noticeable. A really sweet sugar cloying flavor is in the background with the rich malts that hold it all in place. Really caramelly malt.
M - Smooth and rich with a really clean finish that goes down well and leaves a really bitter but sweet balance to the mouthfeel.
D - The sweetness is killing this beer in the drinkability category but as a DIPA, its pretty good. It's starting to get old quickly. I have a real problem with how much damn sugar New Holland is putting in the High Gravity series.
09-07-2009 16:42:52 | More by BeerFMAndy
3.48/5 rDev -7.2%
Pours a nice medium orange with a small white head that fades fast. Smell is very sweet and hoppy up front, some floral and citrus undertones as well. The taste follows suit, starts sweet and hoppy, the hops are not as strong as I would have thought. The sweetness drives this beer. The beer then moves to a weird sweet taste, the has a slight hop aftertaste followed by some alcohol overtones. The mouthfeel is smooth, medium body, the sweetness gets stronger and quite potent. This on is not the easiest drinker considering the sweetness and high ABV, it is an interesting brew that is worth checking out.
01-10-2009 02:27:44 | More by wingman14
3.78/5 rDev +0.8%
Appearance is amber to brown and clear with lots of suds in the off-white vein.Slight lacing occuring on the tulip glass.
Smell is sugary malt with very little hops. A dried grape/raisin aroma with some cherry dark aroma in there also.
Taste is very dark and mild. Not bitter at all. Sugar and malt and plum. Alcohol is not present here. Great cold.
Mouthfeel is very clean and not bitter(which would have been a good thing for an IPA).
New Holland has a lot of nice beers. This one misses the mark by a little bit. Still a good brew, just not a great beer.
05-19-2007 04:20:13 | More by peabody
3.3/5 rDev -12%
22 oz. bottle, 10.5 % ABV. Hazy copper color, with an off-white foamy head. Good retention for the size of the beer.
Nose is full of alcohol, fruits, including peaches, pine, and candy.
Malt jumps out at the front. Sticky, sweet caramel, seems to be cloying. The malt character seems to be pretty muddy, and overtakes things a bit. Not a great deal of hop bitterness or flavor. Fades into an earthy and dirty flavor.
Some warming from the alcohol. Medium body. Something just doesn't seem right. Seems a bit cloying.
06-08-2007 02:57:53 | More by Bierguy5
New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 142 ratings.