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New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

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85
very good

142 Ratings
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Ratings: 142
Reviews: 137
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 14.13%
Wants: 9
Gots: 0 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: kirok1999 on 05-16-2007)
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Photo of swizzlenuts
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The beer is poured with a dark copper colour and a small head, but the retention is great along with decent lacing. The nose on the beer is quite hoppy, but with a caramel hint to it. While drinking the beer, the bitterness comes out last; however, there is a huge malt backbone to the beer. There is caramel and nutty flavours that come together with the hops; also, there is a pretty strong alcohol warming with the beer. The mouthfeel is creamy with a bit of carbonation. Decently drinkable.

swizzlenuts, Aug 14, 2008
Photo of DrJay
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got this one from cburian. Thanks Chris!
Deep amber colour with a bit of haze, plus a frothy beige cap that had a mix of fine and big, soapy bubbles. Plenty of spotty lacing and good retention. The aroma was caramel and hops. Hops were mostly citrus, with a hint of resin, and there was a bit of fruit to the nose as well, ripe and vaguely tropical. The caramel aroma was accompanied by a malty, grainy character. Solid bitterness that balanced nicely with the malty caramel base. Citrusy hops were present throughout, but weren't overly strong. Slight resin and fruit notes. Finished with caramel, citrus, and light alcohol. Mild warmth, full bodied with moderate to low carbonation. Nice texture. The sweetness hid the alcohol quite well, making it surprisingly easy to drink. Really more of an american barleywine - too much emphasis on malt for a DIPA. Quite enjoyable.

DrJay, Mar 30, 2008
Photo of tadowdaddy
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- Very orangish brown tint to this beer. Head was very minimal, but what was there was a tan color. It did have good retention of such a little head. Lacing was prominent.

S- WOW. Smells very complex. Initially some huge pine hops, and a nice caramel malt scent in the background.

T- Completely opposite of what I'd expect due to the hop scent. The beer itself is really sweet. Get some caramel malty sweetness throughout the time that this is in your mouth. Once you swallow, you're left with a very bitter piney hop taste. Overall, very much more balanced than I'd have imagined by the smell.
Not your typical hoppy IIPA taste however.

M- Chewy, thick, a tad syrupy. The bitter backend to this beer really sticks around for a long time, which I really like. Alcohol is noticible after you swallow it too, and it sticks out in my mouth.

D- High ABV makes it a horrible beer to session, but rating drinkability by enjoyment, I've gotta give it a 4.

Should have tried this sooner. Had some real barleywine like characteristics. I like it!

tadowdaddy, Dec 15, 2008
Photo of clayrock81
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a light brown body with lace patches and a frothy one-fingerh ead. Something akin to grape skin along with faint citric for a juicy hop smell as well as a little caramelized malt sweetness. Smooth, creamy, sweet with good malt base and the ABV complements the beer as it adds a little spice and kick to the leafy, citric hops. Medium-bodied beer that is balanced, albeit slightly sticky, that is easy to drink from sweet hoppy flavors and has a nice dry backbite that is also crisp. Watch out as this can be killed quickly and it catches up with you.

clayrock81, Jun 29, 2009
Photo of WOLFGANG
4/5  rDev +6.7%

WOLFGANG, Jul 08, 2013
Photo of imperialking
4/5  rDev +6.7%

imperialking, Dec 01, 2011
Photo of hero27
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22oz silk-screened bottle.
10.5% abv...yowza.

Pours a stagnant amber color..head of off-white foam leaves some good lacing behind. Aroma consists of enormous toffee malt and a hop presence that you can smell from feet away.
Grapefruit, coating pine resin, and unrelenting bitterness with each sip.
Drinkability is decent considering the overwhelming characteristics of the brew itself.

This is one helluva double IPA (flirting with barleywine territory in my opinion)...full-bodied, heavy dosage of hops, and a thick malt presence.. lest we forget, it clocks in over 10% in the alcohol department.. proceed with caution!

hero27, Sep 09, 2007
Photo of BMoney575
3.95/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sampled on 5-25-07

Pours a nice orange color, with a big head that is still there long after the pour, followed by huge lacing.

Smell is super piney hops, with a strong malt backbone to keep everything even.

Taste is ridiculous piney hops, with a huge amount of earthy maltiness in the middle. The finish doesn't taste bitter, but you can feel it on the sides of your tongue. A huge alcohol warmth rounds the experience out. Different but good.

Mouthfeel is huge, thick, syrupy, and resiny. The carbonation fades away and leaves this beer somewhat flat, which adds to the heavy mouthfeel.

Drinkability is not as good, huge flavors and thickness are intense.

Overall, the second in the New Holland high gravity series that I have tried, and I'm impressed. This beer stands on its own, and is better for it.

BMoney575, May 26, 2007
Photo of ColdPoncho
3.95/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I do not know when this was made. We shall see shortly.

A - clouded deep amber, with a tight and thin white head. Nice color.

S - This is the old one! Very malty, but a nice hop presence like an American barleywine, so I'm going to consider it more on the "wine" part than the "hop" part. caramel and toffee malts, and some light piney hops.

T - Malt forward for sure, nice caramel and toffee profile, a touch of chocolate even. A very light hop bitterness at the end. Not as hoppy as I'd hoped, but it's actually quite subtle and complex. Definitely more along the lines of the "wine" thing.

M - Quite smooth, medium-full body. Not bad, but perhaps a touch thin. For a DIPA, it'd be fine, but for a Barleywine, it's a bit thin.

O - This is a 4-year old DIPA that is tasting like a pretty good barleywine. It's kind of impressive. I just wish it were hoppier! But what can you expect.

ColdPoncho, Aug 24, 2011
Photo of beer2day
3.95/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours copper with virtually no head. Leaves behind decent lacing, though.

Nose is very bold, with flowery hops dominating for me. Ordinarily this would rate higher for me, but there's a mild wet laundry smell there dragging me back down.

Very chewy. Lots of body and you can practically feel the hops in the thickness of this. Starts thick, turns flowery hop bitter, and finishes well.

beer2day, Apr 02, 2009
Photo of robwestcott
3.93/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

thanks to arvjunk and the barleywine BIF for this one.

poured cold and aggressively from the bottle to a dogfish head shaped pint glass a semi-tranlucent copper with a big bubbled off white, short lasting head leaving hints of spotty lace after each sip.

nice hearty aroma of earthy hops and thick sticky sweet malts.

this one is grassy / earthy hops forward, but its a subtle king of forward, not a bitter type of forward. sneaking up on you hot with a nice candy finish.

medium bodied, creamy smooth, low carbonation. hot. no bitter to speak of.

drinkable - a bomber or so.

overall - a very interesting style crusher.

robwestcott, Apr 26, 2011
Photo of kzoobrew
3.93/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pour a burnt orange color bright white head with decent retention.

Smell is not so large. Citrus and floral hops are light no the nose. Very pleasant aroma, just less than expected.

Flavor reminds me of a Barley wine more than a DIPA.
Hoppy bitterness does not stand out in front of the sweet malt. Wonderful flavor just confused on the style.

Smooth moth feel, slick and oily.

Very drinkable, especially for the abv.

kzoobrew, Jul 05, 2008
Photo of grub
3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

sampled on tap at hopcat june 13/09.

pours deep reddish orange with a small fine off-white head. the head drops fast and leaves lots of spotty lace behind.

aroma is good. big malty base - biscuit, multi-grain bread, rye and caraway. bit earthy and woody. slightly herbal. light alcohol.

taste is good. again, tons of malt to start things off. biscuit. multi-grain bread. caraway rye. light cracker. bit of toast. light caramel. earthy and woody. medium-high bitterness level. some citrusy and slightly floral hops. maybe a touch of smoke too.

mouthfeel is good. nice big body. medium carbonation level.

drinkability is good. the alcohol is hidden very well by the big malt presence and the bitterness. this feels like it's more in barleywine territory than DIPA, but regardless of what you choose to call it, it's still good.

grub, Jul 01, 2009
Photo of John_M
3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On tap at UJ's on the Manatawny last weekend.

The beer pours a copper amber color with decent head retention and lacing. The nose is pretty sweet and malty on this beer, but with a good lick of noticeable hoppy bitterness as well. Still, this beer smells as if it will be pretty sweet. As expected, this beer comes across as a fairly high alcohol IPA, but with a particular sweet and malty base. There is enough hops to keep it from tasting too sweet, but the beer is noticeable boozy and a bit heavy. The beer does have a pretty nice mouthfeel, and is smooth and long on the finish. However, alcohol is a bit over the top and hurts the beer's drinkability just a bit.

This is a still a solid beer, though I confess I'd like it even more if it had a bit less sweet malt and alcohol, and bit more hoppy bitterness to counter it.

John_M, Feb 25, 2009
Photo of UA8
3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A- Pour a rich amber color with nearly no head and a bit of white foam.

S- Nose starts with hints of citrus hops and then moves on to warm alcohol

T- Combination of bitter hops and sweet malts dominate the flavor, finishes with alcohol warmth.

M- A bit on the thin side, alcohol warmth dominates.

D- Something that you could do maybe one of in a night, not a session beer. Pretty nice example of a barley wine. However there maybe better examples of the style out there for less money.

UA8, Jun 16, 2008
Photo of benito
3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A very challenging and hoppy barleywine, Existential is the latest High Gravity offering from New Holland.

Copper to dark amber in color with a little ring of head and virtually no visible carbonation. The aroma is unassuming: noteworthy only for its lack of distinction, yet it cloaks a beer chock full of flavor. Notes of cinnamon, pepper, and cotton candy with a bitter, celerial edge (strangely, the vegetal notes really work to complement the bitterness here!) and it finishes dry, quick and bitter.

The bitterness makes this deceptively drinkable for a barley wine, and the speed with which the flavors dissolve into a hop-dominated finish leaves me begging for more of the malty sweetness that began each swig.

A fine barleywine for winter, or in my case, summer enjoyment. Relative to New Holland's other high gravity brews, this isn't as distinguished as Pilgrim's Dole (a great beer), but it's at least as worth as Black Tulip

benito, Jun 08, 2007
Photo of Mdog
3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: A medium pour gives a pretty cascade of bubbles that create a small head. Amber in color.

Smell: Citrus, deep caramel, a little bit of booze.

Taste: Nice sweet caramel with a dry citrus finish. Starts to get a little hot in alcohol after a few tastes.

Drinkability: Good for a change of pace but better DIPA's are out there.

I figured, it has a hop cone on the bottle, it must be good. The hops weren't as prominent as expected but it was still a good beer. Seemed a little more on the malty side than hoppy.

Mdog, Jul 06, 2008
Photo of calise1122
3.88/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Second of the day, stared with BORIS the Crusher and sipped slow, really enjoying it. Took a break and the hop head in me wants to get some love. So like any good coach, I revisited my game plan.

I recently got a New Holland Existential Ale from New Holland Brew company in a trade (thanks again wisrarebeer) and decided to pull the trigger. The pour coincides with the Seahawks slowly driving on my Pats... hopefully this New Holland Mojo will change things:

This 22 oz bomber comes via their High Gravity Series. The bottle explains that this "Is what it is." Amen, only if it all were that simple.

Holy soap bath, rubber ducky and all...bubbles explode on top of a golden straw color liquid that turns darker as it takes a tour of the glass. Once filled, the soap suds settle down on top of an inch thick light tan head... but they keep on popping. (shoot, 7-0 Seahawks.. that drive was to long and too easy) Nice lacing... beehive lacing that clings strong and tight. And the lacing lasts, no rings here... this lace sticks like peanut butter, leaving a coat down the glass.

Lots of pine on the nose, mixed in with caramel... nice smelling beer. Not over powering by any means, and the malt driven characters are get stronger as you smell. Kind of like back seat drivers, they don't control this leg of the drive, but they sure as hell want you to think they do. Shit, I just dunked my nose in the friggin beer... god damnit, the Pats can't stop the run and I can't smell a beer....

Hmmm? Where did the piney hop smell go and hide... very sweet, actually very sweet with strong honey and caramel. It's as if the malt and honey brokered a deal where the hops would take the smell and the malts would handle the flavor... but then both of them tried to finagle their way into the other half of the deal, showing up late to the party with a tuxedo on... demanding to be noticed. The aroma was hop on the front with a nice caramel maltiness lingering around and the complete opposite happened for me on the taste... honey, caramel, vanilla on the front with some hop on the finish. The problem is, the Malt showed up in an all white tux with blue suede shoes... out performing the hops. Me thinks this might be better off called Winehop.

It is full bodied and creamy. Plain and simple? It feels good in my mouth. (wow, I was going to erase that and rewrite, but I deserve to be responsible for my initial thoughts... and the pats are down 14-3, this Mojo is NOT doing what I had hoped)

It's a big beer, that is for sure. I recently had Southern Tier Back Burner, which I didn't care for to much... but this takes the sweetness that I did enjoy out of that beer and put it on a platform that suits my style better. I just wish the hops had the fancy tux at this dance. The bottle really summed it up nicely, this beer is what it is.

calise1122, Dec 07, 2008
Photo of BeerAndBourbon
3.88/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A. Pours a hazy orange with a small white head.

S. A bit of hops, but mostly caramel malt. It smells like the backbone of a good DIPA without the upfront hops.

T. The earthy/grassy hop flavor is still present, but not pervasive; I can only imagine what this was like fresh. Flavor is mostly caramel with some bread and yeast contributions.

M. Smooth medium body.

D. Good drinkability. This drinks very well for a 10.5%. I'm not sure what this was like fresh, but it's quite interesting now.

BeerAndBourbon, Nov 07, 2010
Photo of Lepley
3.88/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours thick tan-orange with a little tan head.
S: Sweet and strong. I was able to smell the hops it without holding the glass up.
T: Sweet fruits, hoppiness. Alcohol burns in its aftertaste.
M: Thick with good carbonation.
D: This is a solid imperial IPA. I recommend trying it.

Lepley, Aug 14, 2008
Photo of drxandy
3.83/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

poured into a tulip glass from the bomber, heavy beer! wow, pour left little to no head, very thick from the alcohol.

color is of a golden amber, very deep - looks like trouble

smell is of hot alcohol, and extreme hopping - malt is sweet, almost malt liquor in quality, bready yeast creeping in the end.

taste proves this to be a hop bomb, extreme bitterness with sweetly dry finish. The malt is very much in the background with all the overpowering hops, makes me feel like if i sat on the bottle for a year it would balance out and it might come off smoother and more delicious.

mouthfeel is oily and thick, definately DIPA territory

overall drinkablity is where this fails, i really couldn't see myself drinking often if again soon, i would really like to see how age would do on it as stated before and am tempted to get another bomber to hold onto.

drxandy, May 04, 2008
Photo of rhoadsrage
3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

(Served in a tulip glass)

A- This beer has a light toasted-brown body that is crystal clear with a strong carbonation of tiny bubbles. There is a thick spongy film that fades into a film pretty quickly.

S- This beer has a sweet caramel malt and sugary smell with a green hop note and a light citrus perfume note to it.

T- The sugary sweet caramel malt flavor has a note of sweet honey with a soft green hops flavor. There is an alcohol finish that is covered by the hop bitterness that hangs on after each sip.

M- This beer has a medium mouthfeel with a nice alcohol heat that is pretty smooth.

D- The biggest hops are on the label. In the bottle the hops are pretty soft compared to the sweet simple malt flavors. The bitterness of the hops is stronger than the flavor but both are lighter than I expect for an IPA.

rhoadsrage, Jun 30, 2007
Photo of peabody
3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance is amber to brown and clear with lots of suds in the off-white vein.Slight lacing occuring on the tulip glass.
Smell is sugary malt with very little hops. A dried grape/raisin aroma with some cherry dark aroma in there also.
Taste is very dark and mild. Not bitter at all. Sugar and malt and plum. Alcohol is not present here. Great cold.
Mouthfeel is very clean and not bitter(which would have been a good thing for an IPA).
New Holland has a lot of nice beers. This one misses the mark by a little bit. Still a good brew, just not a great beer.

peabody, May 19, 2007
Photo of Tyrawlings
3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22 oz. Bottle poured into a pint glass.

A: Hazy, deep dark orange in color woth tea colored hues. Micro bubble white head pours two fingers thick. Decent retention. Nice sticky lacing.

S: Sweet fruit. Apple. Peach. Apricot. Toffee. Grain and alcohol.

T: The sweetness of tropical fruits and apples dominate the front end of this brew. Soft caramel malts and the taste of toffee come in to play the balancing game but are immediately beaten back by a citrus hop bitterness that zaps the tongue. Big grain taste is followed by a hot alcohol burn. Finishes sweet and dry.

M: Syrupy and slightly slick. Minimal carbonation. Warming and dry.

D: I think this barleywine has the potential to be a very nice example of the style. It seems a bit hot and needs time to settle down. I am very interested to try this one again after some six months or so of aging! Recommended.

Tyrawlings, May 06, 2007
Photo of mattcrill
3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Aroma: Orange juice and citrusy notes lend way to some piney resin aromatics. Sliced candied oranges with some gentle alcohol warming the nose.

Appearance: Very murky and hazy amber pour with a very thin sudsy white head.

Flavor: Good firm carmel base with more pithy citrusy hops to balance. Floral and light grassy hoppiness overlay a nice warming alcohol base. Low fruity esters appear as the beer warms up.

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied with low carbonation. Warms the palate on the way down.

Overall impression: A big, powerful American Barleywine. Too sweet and too much malt character for a double IPA. I would have liked to have seen more carbonation. These big beers from New Holland are notoriously undercarbonated. Disappointing b/c I think this could be a world class beer with a touch more carbonation to open up the aromatics and flavor profile. Probably worth trying once but not much more than that.

mattcrill, Oct 18, 2008
New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 142 ratings.