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New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

New Holland Existential: HopwineNew Holland Existential: Hopwine

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BA SCORE
85
very good

141 Ratings
THE BROS
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Ratings: 141
Reviews: 137
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 14.13%


Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: kirok1999 on 05-16-2007)
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adamette

Ohio

4.2/5  rDev +12%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from notes. Poured from tap at Ballantines in Willoughby during "craft beer night" 1 27 10 into a 10 oz. snifter at a cost of $3.

A Opaque light brown/yellow body udner a nice light brown creamy head. Very good look indeed. 4.5

S Earthy hops with some malt background. Smell is inviting, interesting and more balanced than most barleywines that I have encountered. 4.0

T Big hops presence with a moderate malt presence in a beer with a lot of depth to it. To drink this beer in is to enter into an adventure of taste with earthy bitter hops and warming alcohol with a backdrop of sweet malt. 4.5

M Thick with that great depth that is akin to liquid wheat thins with an earthy, grainy feel. 4.5

D Fair with the huge ABV but repeated sips were easy to do. 3.5

Notes: Really good on tap, especially for the price there at Ballantines.

Serving type: on-tap

01-29-2010 23:16:05 | More by adamette
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darklordlager

Wisconsin

4.35/5  rDev +16%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Had on-tap at the Muddy Pig in St. Paul on 1/10/09.

A: Pours a light garnet with a thin coating of head. Nothing too impressive.

S: Very sweet aroma--licorice, bubblegum, sweet citrus, caramel.

T: Sweet caramel layers, fading into intense dark fruit. Honey graham cracker, sugar cookie. Sweet citrus from the hops pairs well, hiding the alcohol and blending with the malts nicely.

M: Low-medium carbonation and slightly syrupy body.

D: Great beer from New Holland. The hop profile covers the alcohol like a champ. Well done.

Serving type: on-tap

01-11-2010 02:41:46 | More by darklordlager
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Viggo

Ontario (Canada)

4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at HopCat in GR.

Pours a clear orange/amber, thin off white head forms, drops to a thin ring and drops a few spots on the glass, looks alright. Smell is nice, very fruity, caramel and brown sugar, alcohol, very malty, floral, big malts and big hops, nothing jumps out but very well balanced. Taste is similar, very malty, some biscuit, caramel and brown sugar, toast, very fruity, apricots, alcohol, nice toasty finish, very balanced. Mouthfeel is medium to full bodied with medium carbonation, bit of warmth going down but the ABV is decently hidden. More of a barleywine than DIPA, and nothing really jumped out, but pretty solid and drinkable stuff.

Serving type: on-tap

07-03-2009 18:21:34 | More by Viggo
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grub

Ontario (Canada)

3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

sampled on tap at hopcat june 13/09.

pours deep reddish orange with a small fine off-white head. the head drops fast and leaves lots of spotty lace behind.

aroma is good. big malty base - biscuit, multi-grain bread, rye and caraway. bit earthy and woody. slightly herbal. light alcohol.

taste is good. again, tons of malt to start things off. biscuit. multi-grain bread. caraway rye. light cracker. bit of toast. light caramel. earthy and woody. medium-high bitterness level. some citrusy and slightly floral hops. maybe a touch of smoke too.

mouthfeel is good. nice big body. medium carbonation level.

drinkability is good. the alcohol is hidden very well by the big malt presence and the bitterness. this feels like it's more in barleywine territory than DIPA, but regardless of what you choose to call it, it's still good.

Serving type: on-tap

06-30-2009 23:13:17 | More by grub
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clayrock81

Virginia

4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a light brown body with lace patches and a frothy one-fingerh ead. Something akin to grape skin along with faint citric for a juicy hop smell as well as a little caramelized malt sweetness. Smooth, creamy, sweet with good malt base and the ABV complements the beer as it adds a little spice and kick to the leafy, citric hops. Medium-bodied beer that is balanced, albeit slightly sticky, that is easy to drink from sweet hoppy flavors and has a nice dry backbite that is also crisp. Watch out as this can be killed quickly and it catches up with you.

Serving type: on-tap

06-29-2009 15:51:52 | More by clayrock81
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jeremyd365

Michigan

3.05/5  rDev -18.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Advertised as "Existential Ale": Poured a golden coppery with a white head. Smelled for a strange fruity-malty-hoppiness and also tasted of a strange blend that I wasn't too fond of. I don't know exactly what I didn't like, but perhaps it was the type of hops used or the other spices involved. It was strange nonetheless, but with a decent mouthfeel being about medium. The drinkability would have been fine had I liked the flavor. It just wasn't my cup of tea, but I guess others should try it for themselves.

Serving type: on-tap

03-23-2009 01:11:44 | More by jeremyd365
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johnmichaelsen

Oregon

3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On tap at UJ's on the Manatawny last weekend.

The beer pours a copper amber color with decent head retention and lacing. The nose is pretty sweet and malty on this beer, but with a good lick of noticeable hoppy bitterness as well. Still, this beer smells as if it will be pretty sweet. As expected, this beer comes across as a fairly high alcohol IPA, but with a particular sweet and malty base. There is enough hops to keep it from tasting too sweet, but the beer is noticeable boozy and a bit heavy. The beer does have a pretty nice mouthfeel, and is smooth and long on the finish. However, alcohol is a bit over the top and hurts the beer's drinkability just a bit.

This is a still a solid beer, though I confess I'd like it even more if it had a bit less sweet malt and alcohol, and bit more hoppy bitterness to counter it.

Serving type: on-tap

02-25-2009 19:59:50 | More by johnmichaelsen
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Oxymoron

Colorado

2.58/5  rDev -31.2%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

How do I know if the beer is really here or not? Pours a burnt orange color. Mostly cloudy with a fizzy white head. Does dissipate quickly but some rings around the glass. Limited lacing.

The nose is on par with an East coast DIPA. The hops come out nicely with some citrus and piney. There are some off notes, cat urine specifically, that I usually associate with simcoe hops. The malt is a bit muddle overall with some minor caramel and toffee notes. The yeast has some alcohol and noticeable musty notes.

The taste is similar but the malt comes out more as the hops back off. To start there is a sweet malt flavor that has some off toffee and nutty notes. There is a light honey flavor in the background. There is something I just can't pick out as well, but has a almost wheat characteristic. The hops are not as offensive as the nose but more of a piney flavor mixed with a earthy citrus finish. Good bitterness with some minor astringency. The yeast notes are off as well, with noticeable alcohol and esters, mostly floral.

The body is moderate to full. Some astringency but not over the top. Carbonation is low. Overall this is a disappointment for a DIPA. Muddle notes in the malt and off hop aromas and tastes. Noticeable off yeast characteristics. Sorry, just not very impressive.

Serving type: on-tap

10-22-2008 15:37:59 | More by Oxymoron
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blakesell

Ohio

4.53/5  rDev +20.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Poured from the tap into a Lindeman's Framboise glass.

Appearance- Beer pours a clear golden with a very creamy looking half finger head. Lacing is very ample, and baby gots her some very nice looking legs. Head never dies down, merely subsides to a murk of foamy goodness across the top.

Smell- Oh sweet gluey jesus, perfumery and powerful pine hops that will never subside, I can tell already. The damn drunken smokers next to me are making this beer harder to smell, but the hops still leap out at me. Grapefruit, cat piss, antiseptic, I catch oak, but I think it's all in my head.

Taste- Rich hoppy goddess! This elixir is filled to the brim with sweet pine freshness, lush citrus, biting, slightly burning alcohol, the taste lingers and metamorphoses on the tongue. Lightly soapy, but just about every other hop nuance is on the mouth as well, so it'll pass.

Mouthfeel- Creamy, warming, thick, gluey, full bodied, lightly astringent, highly carbonated, sticky, excellent.

Drinkability- Higher drinkability than the bottle, a pleasure and I would love to have it on tap at home.

Serving type: on-tap

07-22-2008 00:58:44 | More by blakesell
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FtownThrowDown

Ohio

4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On draft at Glendale Cafe.
Pours a ruby red in color with brownish undertones. Very big on the smell. You can tell right away that this is big beer. Plenty of malt and sweetness in the taste. Followed by some hops to help round it out. Not incredibly complex, but a good beer. Mouthfeel is huge and creamy. Slightly bittering as well.

Serving type: on-tap

07-19-2008 02:55:22 | More by FtownThrowDown
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Stinkypuss

Pennsylvania

3.63/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

a. Hazy golden yellow with some nice head and lacing.

s. Piney hops dominate the nose theres some boozey notes too.

t,m,d. Caramel and a huge wave of hops riding along. An alcohal bite finishes leaving the palate quite dry. Medium bodied. Pretty well crafted, but the alcohalic bite is a bit extreme. A must for hop heads. Kind of like an intensely hopped barley wine.

Serving type: on-tap

06-15-2008 19:47:25 | More by Stinkypuss
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CaptainIPA

Wisconsin

3.58/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Served on-tap in a tulip glass @ Sugar Maple on 5-22-08.

Pours a dark, rusty amber with glints of ruby. Reveals a thin, pitted head rimmed with bubbles. Magnificent lacing.

Toasted caramel nose with virtually no hints of hops.

Taste profile mirrors the aroma: caramel and lots of it. Warms quickly from the apparent (yet, well-concealed) rush of alcohol. Well-balanced, though skews malts. Whoa, it's an Imperial alright. Not very sessionable.

The perfect ale to drink while pondering boredom, alienation and absurdity. Or, nothing at all.

What Kierkegaard and Nietzsche would have sipped if they were drinking buddies.

Serving type: on-tap

05-27-2008 02:51:02 | More by CaptainIPA
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neenerzig

Ohio

4.3/5  rDev +14.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had a glass of this on-tap last night at La Cav Du Vin with some friends before going to a show at the Grog Shop. Served in an oversized wine glass. This beer is a clear dark red/orange color. The frothy looking head is about an inch thick or so when drawn from the tap before settling to a nice 1/3 inch that sticks around for quite awhile. Very nice lacing too. Floral hops and fruits hit the nose immediately upon taking a whiff. Hints of caramel are also present. Very nice smell here. Tastewise the caramel and fruity notes of citrus, apple, and grapefruit are all present upfront followed by the noble, bitter hops and of course the alcohol. Good balance too, no flavors are really stronger than any others. Has a thick and sort of syrupy mouthfeel. Frothy and smooth, not really very crisp. Good, full body with light to moderate carbonation. Pretty easy to drink for a beer that's 10.5% ABV. I hope I get the chance to drink this again.

Eric

Serving type: on-tap

05-26-2007 17:11:52 | More by neenerzig
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GbVDave

Illinois

3.48/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Served in a mini pint at New Holland 2/3/07. Thanks to Killer for the assist!

A: Intersting cloudy golden brown. Almost like unfiltered apple cider. Creamy head like frothed milk. Major lace.

S: Restrained aromas of baked apples, caramel malt, and a whiff of alcohol.

T: Flavors of toffee and caramel. Sweet. Fortunately the sweetness is brought down by a big bitter finish. Alcohol is not hidden whatsoever.

M: Oily and full bodied. Coats the mouth like latex paint.

D: This is not a drinker, hell for me, it's hardly a sipper. It's bitter but it seems to be missing a cohesive hop flavor. Maybe they'll tinker with this and make some improvements.

Serving type: on-tap

02-04-2007 23:58:15 | More by GbVDave
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alexgash

Connecticut

3.68/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Imbibed at Ashley's. Served colder than it should, so I let it warm up a bit.

Medium copper with an amber glaze. Small, sticky, off-white head. Nose is full of fruit, butterscotch, alcohol, and citrusy hops. Smells intimidating! Bracing, powerful palate full of ripe fruits, sugar, butterscotch syrup up front. Woah! Oh, and there's the citrusy hops too! Alcohol is noticeable throughout and is perhaps a bit too hot. Spicy, sweet malt dominates this "hopwine", and the hops play second fiddle. Interesting. If you like sugary malt bomb barleywines give this one a try. Full-bodied, with a syrupy, mouth-lacquering feel. It'll warm you right up too!

Serving type: on-tap

01-04-2007 18:12:53 | More by alexgash
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ColdPoncho

Ohio

3.95/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I do not know when this was made. We shall see shortly.

A - clouded deep amber, with a tight and thin white head. Nice color.

S - This is the old one! Very malty, but a nice hop presence like an American barleywine, so I'm going to consider it more on the "wine" part than the "hop" part. caramel and toffee malts, and some light piney hops.

T - Malt forward for sure, nice caramel and toffee profile, a touch of chocolate even. A very light hop bitterness at the end. Not as hoppy as I'd hoped, but it's actually quite subtle and complex. Definitely more along the lines of the "wine" thing.

M - Quite smooth, medium-full body. Not bad, but perhaps a touch thin. For a DIPA, it'd be fine, but for a Barleywine, it's a bit thin.

O - This is a 4-year old DIPA that is tasting like a pretty good barleywine. It's kind of impressive. I just wish it were hoppier! But what can you expect.

Serving type: growler

08-23-2011 23:00:32 | More by ColdPoncho
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movingtrain

Ohio

3.75/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a somewhat cloudy/murky brownish-red color. Not a lot of head retention here, though this would be due to the growler, also.

In the aroma are tart cherries, dark honey, ripe citrus, raspberry, wet wood, and hard candy. It is rich, almost syrupy in the aroma. On the way toward the palate, some big malt characteristics come forward, filled with oats and caramel.

The flavor here is a strong balance between the malty and the hoppy. The initial taste is quite sweet, providing caramel, ginger, brown sugar, molasses, and honey notes. As the beer progresses, it becomes more bitter, though not overly so. The hops are present, but not dominant, allowing a slight hop character to play beneath a fine chorus of toasty malt flavors.

Overall, this beer is rich, dense, and packs quite a punch. It has some interesting characteristics, and gives a refreshing and unique take on the "barleywine" style, calling it "hopwine." Both the Double IPA big hop character, and the Barleywine malty sweet characteristics are here, and the final product is, well, somewhat similar to the name.

Serving type: growler

08-20-2011 23:43:33 | More by movingtrain
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robwestcott

Indiana

3.93/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

thanks to arvjunk and the barleywine BIF for this one.

poured cold and aggressively from the bottle to a dogfish head shaped pint glass a semi-tranlucent copper with a big bubbled off white, short lasting head leaving hints of spotty lace after each sip.

nice hearty aroma of earthy hops and thick sticky sweet malts.

this one is grassy / earthy hops forward, but its a subtle king of forward, not a bitter type of forward. sneaking up on you hot with a nice candy finish.

medium bodied, creamy smooth, low carbonation. hot. no bitter to speak of.

drinkable - a bomber or so.

overall - a very interesting style crusher.

Serving type: bottle

04-26-2011 00:24:14 | More by robwestcott
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beerman207

Kentucky

4.28/5  rDev +14.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Found this at Party Town in Florence, KY. thought it was mislabeled but after confirmation, we learned this was not the case.

A: Dark copper an d a head that doesn't hang around very long - some lace left in the glass

S: Wow - smell is of caramel and malt, apples, some hops

T: Bitterness up front for the hops but the malt takes over almost immediately. has some fruit and some sweetness ff.

M: Medium, easy drinker. Good beer

D: Even though it's 10.5%, this is one that I wouldn't mind having again. Good thing I have a Growler that I'm splitting with my wife.

Serving type: growler

11-14-2010 03:14:31 | More by beerman207
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BeerAndBourbon

Ohio

3.88/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A. Pours a hazy orange with a small white head.

S. A bit of hops, but mostly caramel malt. It smells like the backbone of a good DIPA without the upfront hops.

T. The earthy/grassy hop flavor is still present, but not pervasive; I can only imagine what this was like fresh. Flavor is mostly caramel with some bread and yeast contributions.

M. Smooth medium body.

D. Good drinkability. This drinks very well for a 10.5%. I'm not sure what this was like fresh, but it's quite interesting now.

Serving type: bottle

11-07-2010 20:58:18 | More by BeerAndBourbon
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TheHoppiest

Ohio

3.58/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 22 oz bottle into an oversized wine glass. Pours a beautiful ruby-amber with minimal bubbly soapy white head. There's a decent amount of sediment at the bottom of the bottle.

Smell is intense, yeasty, boozy; like a barleywine gone mad. No real hop presence in the smell.

Taste is smoother than it smells; leather, oak, and leafy tastes start it out; followed by a malty yeastiness simmering in woody alcohol; ending with a faint hop echo toward the back of the mouth. As I drink more, some honey and floral notes also present.

Mouthfeel is thick, almost buttery, with a bit of sharpness.

Drinkable? Well, hard to say. I've got 22 oz to go through, and I kind of wish it was 12, so I guess that answers that.

Serving type: bottle

09-11-2010 01:36:24 | More by TheHoppiest
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mondegreen

Georgia

2.7/5  rDev -28%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

22oz Bottle into a New Holland Tulip.

A: Rather clear copper/orange color. Thin whiteish head that fades quickly. Leaves just a tough of lacing.

S: Smells sweet and hot. Not at all what I expect from a DIPA. I'm picking up all kinds of alcohol and heavy malts, no hops to speak of.

T: Very sweet up front. Starts like an English Barleywine. Finish is a distinct floral heat with a touch of spice. Unique, but not in a good way. It seems like New Holland was attempting a style bender with this brew, but ultimately it's a mess. Aftertaste is slightly bitter with a lingering burn.

M: Very heavy with light carbonation. This might be the heaviest beer I've ever had, which does work to its favor.

D: The floral/spice aftertaste is rather tiresome. I love breweries that push the style envelope, and this beer appears to be a cross between a DIPA and an English Barleywine. Ultimately, the flavors clash and the hoppiness, if there ever was any, is lost in the crossfire.

Serving type: bottle

07-23-2010 21:17:02 | More by mondegreen
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RJUGA03

Illinois

4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A-Midnight black rising carbonated body with a country off white head that held 3/4".
S-Sweet, toasted malts, tad bit of yeast, and fruity.
T-On the draw it was very sweet with slight hop tingle and on the way down it was heavy in the alcohol esters, but yet very smooth.
M-Like syrup initially followed by a dry and hop-laden after-taste.
D- It is extremely drinkable and I am sorry to say that I wasn't at the pub for their stout marinated burger, but it was purchased for me and I love it.

Serving type: growler

05-04-2010 06:56:18 | More by RJUGA03
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meatyard

Pennsylvania

3.23/5  rDev -13.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Thanks to AltBock, this is one of his many generous gifts before being re-stationed in Okinawa.

Pours a hazy, amber/orange with a short, off-white head that has little retention and very slight lacing.
The smell is mostly sweet malt and little else.
The taste is very different from the aroma. The malt is the same but there is a grassy hop flavor and a bitterness that lingers.
Mouthfeel is full but with no carbonation.
Drinkability is not so hot in my estimation, it's definitely not in the East or West coast style for a DIPA. I don't think it's old, but how do you tell if there's no bottled on date?

Serving type: bottle

05-02-2010 18:43:02 | More by meatyard
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PretzelCity

California

4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to sefus12 for the chance to try this one. Poured out a deep amber, like unfiltered honey, with a fluffy one inch white head that quickly recedes to lacing around the edge of glass. The nose upfront is a hop and malt blend, not like what I expected. It reminds me more of a hoppy barleywine then a DIPA. Whatever it is, I like it. The taste is the same, lots of hops take on a resin quality, well blended with a heavy amount of malt. Sweet and syrupy like honey with a bit of a bite in the finish. Slight alcohol in the finish as well but not enough to be distracting or take away from the beer. Medium body, this beer really coats the mouth and makes it's presence known. Pretty drinkable considering the 10.5% ABV. Hopwine is the perfect name in my opinion. This one seems like it could really hold up well in storage and turn into something interesting.

Serving type: bottle

02-22-2010 02:29:43 | More by PretzelCity
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New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 141 ratings.