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New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

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very good

142 Ratings
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Ratings: 142
Reviews: 137
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 14.13%
Wants: 9
Gots: 0 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: kirok1999 on 05-16-2007)
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Photo of wharfrat1
4.08/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

From a 22 oz. Bomber bought at Hyde Park Wine & Spirits served in a Duvel tulip glass

A-Orangish hue, almost to a slight amber color. Has a light, inch and a half white head that dissipates relatively quickly. It does leave a fair amount of lace around the glass

S-Dominated upfront by piney notes from the hops, also can get a whiff of the alcohol, which at 10.5% is not surprising. There is some underlying maltiness, but the smell is dominated by the hops.

T-First and what stands out the most is piney, syrupy hops. Not completely overwhelming but definitely dominant. In the middle and towards the end is light,fruity maltiness, and than back to the pine at the end with finish of warming alcohol notes.

M-Has a syrupy feel, with some light carbonation that has some sweetness and alcohol at the end. The syrup is there for the entire ride.

D-This has a nice balance between malt and hops with the hops dominant but not overstaying their welcome. It's a nice sipper but you can taste the alcohol in the finish. Definitely a sipper.

O-A darn tasty brew. I love hops and you get plenty here, but they don't destroy the flavor with too much bitterness. Well balanced with the malt and the alcohol kick. I can see where people see this more as a barleywine. It lacks the overall hop kick that a DIPA would suggest, but again there is plenty of piney, hoppy notes in this brew. I definitely look forward to trying this again!

wharfrat1, Jun 06, 2007
Photo of ultralarry2006
4.35/5  rDev +16%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 22 oz. bomber. Leaves a one finger tan head that has very good retention and very good lacing. Body is a clear orange tinted amber.

Smell - caramel, toffee, and candied fruit fill the nose. Some pine resin and toatsy malt biscuits as well.

Taste - caramel, toffee, pine resin, candied fruit, toasty malt biscuits, and spicy alcohol. Very yummy, this tastes like an American barleywine except with much less hop emphasis than is usual in an American barleywine.

Mouthfeel - full bodied, much hop oil slickness, and slightly semi-dry.

Drinkability - this is very, very good ale, only the high abv limits sessionability. This is listed here as a DIPA, but I think this is a Barleywine, especially since I find the hops to be relatively subdued for a DIPA, or for that matter, a Barleywine ( American-style, that is ), but it's very good whatever you want to call it.

ultralarry2006, May 31, 2007
Photo of klewis
3.18/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3

A: Pours a deep golden with a frothy head that quickly disappears but leaves lots of lacing.

S: Balanced smell with aromas of toffee, citrus, and floral hops.

T: Much like the smell except with a heavy alcoholic taste and a strong bitterness in the finish.

M: Full-bodied, thick, and syrupy. Fine carbonation.

D: There's potential here, but the alcohol is far too overwhelming for the subtle flavors that are trying to come through. Worth a try, but I doubt I'll have this one again.

klewis, May 30, 2007
Photo of bruachan
4.05/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

i'm not sure about the mix-up btw this and the other entry. this seems to be the correct one. it's giving me sartrean dread just worrying about it

hazy orange/red. the head is nice enough, despite some heavy alcohol.

bigaromas. i like the designation "hopwine"--hoppy. some caramel/butterscotch aspects to it. despite the size, it's very manageable. the flavor, however, is a real kick in the teeth. super bitter and big on the malt-derived flavors

bruachan, May 29, 2007
Photo of hoppymeal
4.33/5  rDev +15.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

I've decided to review this beer here although there is obviously two listings. I'm reviewing here from the bottle as the bottle states existential ale, however at the winterfest and also at the pub I have seen it called existential hopwine. It is definitely a barleywine though, not a dipa as it is listed here. Anyways-
Pours a medium to dark copper, mainly clear, a small whitish head slowly receds, lacing as it does so. Aroma is of faint sweet citrus notes and a strong alcohol aroma, like a fruit brandy. Also some soft sugary sweetness and vegetable grassiness. Taste is big sweet caramel notes, sweet maltiness with some faint citrus flavors and a little apple flavor as well. Rich and full bodied this beer is definitely loaded with malty sweetness, it is definitely strong on the hops as well, but they are playing second role as a balancer here to the malts, a nice alcohol punch in the finish warms and cuts the sweetness. Carbonation is very soft and works well with the soft sugary body. Delicious beer, would like to see some more hop flavor and aroma but a great barleywine. Doesn't appeared to be bottle conditioned but still seems like a good aging candidate.

hoppymeal, May 29, 2007
Photo of Duster72
3.65/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a amber brown color with a very thin off white head. Aroma is sugary malts with a definite hint of rubber (very strange, I know). Taste is dark fruits, sugar, and very bitter hops. Very bitter finish but certainly drinkable. Interesting DIPA, not the best, but interesting.

Duster72, May 28, 2007
Photo of neenerzig
4.3/5  rDev +14.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had a glass of this on-tap last night at La Cav Du Vin with some friends before going to a show at the Grog Shop. Served in an oversized wine glass. This beer is a clear dark red/orange color. The frothy looking head is about an inch thick or so when drawn from the tap before settling to a nice 1/3 inch that sticks around for quite awhile. Very nice lacing too. Floral hops and fruits hit the nose immediately upon taking a whiff. Hints of caramel are also present. Very nice smell here. Tastewise the caramel and fruity notes of citrus, apple, and grapefruit are all present upfront followed by the noble, bitter hops and of course the alcohol. Good balance too, no flavors are really stronger than any others. Has a thick and sort of syrupy mouthfeel. Frothy and smooth, not really very crisp. Good, full body with light to moderate carbonation. Pretty easy to drink for a beer that's 10.5% ABV. I hope I get the chance to drink this again.

Eric

neenerzig, May 26, 2007
Photo of BMoney575
3.95/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sampled on 5-25-07

Pours a nice orange color, with a big head that is still there long after the pour, followed by huge lacing.

Smell is super piney hops, with a strong malt backbone to keep everything even.

Taste is ridiculous piney hops, with a huge amount of earthy maltiness in the middle. The finish doesn't taste bitter, but you can feel it on the sides of your tongue. A huge alcohol warmth rounds the experience out. Different but good.

Mouthfeel is huge, thick, syrupy, and resiny. The carbonation fades away and leaves this beer somewhat flat, which adds to the heavy mouthfeel.

Drinkability is not as good, huge flavors and thickness are intense.

Overall, the second in the New Holland high gravity series that I have tried, and I'm impressed. This beer stands on its own, and is better for it.

BMoney575, May 26, 2007
Photo of peabody
3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance is amber to brown and clear with lots of suds in the off-white vein.Slight lacing occuring on the tulip glass.
Smell is sugary malt with very little hops. A dried grape/raisin aroma with some cherry dark aroma in there also.
Taste is very dark and mild. Not bitter at all. Sugar and malt and plum. Alcohol is not present here. Great cold.
Mouthfeel is very clean and not bitter(which would have been a good thing for an IPA).
New Holland has a lot of nice beers. This one misses the mark by a little bit. Still a good brew, just not a great beer.

peabody, May 19, 2007
Photo of mjd83goblue
3.68/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22 oz bomber for $6.49. Tried this at the MI Winter Beer Fest, was a nice surprise to see it on the shelfs. I believe it was advertised as a "Hop Wine" at the fest.

A: Pours a copper/amber that is pretty clear, with a small head.

S: Smells 'sticky', as in I expect a big boozy beer. Quite fruity/floral. Not smelling the hops like I expected.

T: Sweet and fruity, with tastes from the nectarine/apricot families. Has plenty of bitterness, but somewhat lacking on hop flavor. Pretty hot right now. Brutally bitter finish, which isn't necessarily bad, but I expected a little more.

M: Thick and sticky. Nice body.

D: A nice sipper. A pretty big beer, both ABV and palatte wrecking, for a bomber. 12 oz might have been enough.

Usually I don't like aged DIPA's, because I love the fresh hop taste and smell. However, I think its is better catergorized as a barleywine, and I think it could use some time. I remember liking it better at the Fest, but I think everything tasted great by that point...

mjd83goblue, May 18, 2007
Photo of kirok1999
3.5/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Strange brew, do what's inside of you. Something wrong here or I just don't get it.
Pours a dark ruddy copper with absolutely no head at all. If I had poured it harder I would have thumped it on the bottom like a bottle of catsup. The best I could get was a very thin topping of white foam that fled immediately.
Smells sweet, caramel, citrus hops, slight dark fruit. Alcohol is well hidden behind the dark sweetness.
Tastes very nice, almost like a Double Bastard but the lack of carbonation makes it very strange.
If I had brewed this I would have said, "Shit, it didn't carbonate" and added some more priming sugar or yeast and waited another month or so.
I'm happy to add this brew and hope others can revive its rating if they get a carbonated bottle as it should be very good if properly carbonated.
I can't imagine New Holland would put out an uncarbonated beer so I guess this bottle is flawed in some way. I'll try again when I find another one.

kirok1999, May 16, 2007
Photo of nlmartin
3.65/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

The beer was served in an Imperial Nonic.

Appearance: The beer poured a clear amber coloration. The head retention was very short. The head was a thin creamy biege coloration. Quickly falling rings of lacing remain on my glass.

Smell: The beer has caramel boozey alcohol notes on intial smell. This gives way to a melange of fruityness. The beers fruityness encompasses a combination of apples, berries, grapefruit, lemon, mango and pine. Again the alcohol is noticeable but not an undue distraction.

Taste: Sweet caramel and toffee kick the beers flavor off. The fruityness from the smell is nowhere near as identifiable in the flavor. Grapefruit and apple make an appearance on my palate. A bit of pine and grassyness. The alcohol demands to have its authority respected in the flavor. (I think New Hollands web site claims 11. % for this beer.

Mouthfeel/ Drinkability: The beer is full bodied. The alcohol is well incorporated in the beer. No alcohol heat is noted in the mouth. The hops have plenty of oilyness and last a long time. The beer drinks better than ok but probably would have been more enjoyable shared.

nlmartin, May 14, 2007
Photo of prototypic
3.63/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: It's a dark reddish color with a creamy one finger head. Very good retention and a nice coat of lace covered the glass.

Smell: Very citrusy sweet smelling. There's some grapefruit, orange and mango present. Hops are strong. Very piney smell to it. Caramel and toffee malts only add to the mix and make this one complex smelling brew.

Taste: Citrus notes really start this out on the sweet side. Grapefruit flavor adds a bit of bitterness. Once the hops kick in, it's very piney and bitter. Caramel and toffee malts provide some balance.

Mouthfeel/Drinkability. Medium bodied. Very lightly carbonated. Alcohol is strong and noticeable. The strength really knocks down the drinkability a notch for me. Overall, it's a pretty good beer. Definitely worth a try.

prototypic, May 12, 2007
Photo of Wildman
4.33/5  rDev +15.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The description for this beer seems to put it in both the barley wine and double IPA categories. It poured a medium light amber color and formed an off white foamy head that coated the glass with lace as it subsided. A small amount of carbonation is present. An aroma of hops, malt, caramel and pepper. The flavor was of hops, malt, and caramel. It had a medium body with some creamy elements. The finish was slightly astringent and bitter with a hint of some of the alcohol present. A good beer that in my opinion does fall more into the barley wine category.

Wildman, May 08, 2007
Photo of Tyrawlings
3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22 oz. Bottle poured into a pint glass.

A: Hazy, deep dark orange in color woth tea colored hues. Micro bubble white head pours two fingers thick. Decent retention. Nice sticky lacing.

S: Sweet fruit. Apple. Peach. Apricot. Toffee. Grain and alcohol.

T: The sweetness of tropical fruits and apples dominate the front end of this brew. Soft caramel malts and the taste of toffee come in to play the balancing game but are immediately beaten back by a citrus hop bitterness that zaps the tongue. Big grain taste is followed by a hot alcohol burn. Finishes sweet and dry.

M: Syrupy and slightly slick. Minimal carbonation. Warming and dry.

D: I think this barleywine has the potential to be a very nice example of the style. It seems a bit hot and needs time to settle down. I am very interested to try this one again after some six months or so of aging! Recommended.

Tyrawlings, May 06, 2007
Photo of GbVDave
3.48/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Served in a mini pint at New Holland 2/3/07. Thanks to Killer for the assist!

A: Intersting cloudy golden brown. Almost like unfiltered apple cider. Creamy head like frothed milk. Major lace.

S: Restrained aromas of baked apples, caramel malt, and a whiff of alcohol.

T: Flavors of toffee and caramel. Sweet. Fortunately the sweetness is brought down by a big bitter finish. Alcohol is not hidden whatsoever.

M: Oily and full bodied. Coats the mouth like latex paint.

D: This is not a drinker, hell for me, it's hardly a sipper. It's bitter but it seems to be missing a cohesive hop flavor. Maybe they'll tinker with this and make some improvements.

GbVDave, Feb 04, 2007
Photo of alexgash
3.68/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Imbibed at Ashley's. Served colder than it should, so I let it warm up a bit.

Medium copper with an amber glaze. Small, sticky, off-white head. Nose is full of fruit, butterscotch, alcohol, and citrusy hops. Smells intimidating! Bracing, powerful palate full of ripe fruits, sugar, butterscotch syrup up front. Woah! Oh, and there's the citrusy hops too! Alcohol is noticeable throughout and is perhaps a bit too hot. Spicy, sweet malt dominates this "hopwine", and the hops play second fiddle. Interesting. If you like sugary malt bomb barleywines give this one a try. Full-bodied, with a syrupy, mouth-lacquering feel. It'll warm you right up too!

alexgash, Jan 04, 2007
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New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
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