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New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

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BA SCORE
85
very good

142 Ratings
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Ratings: 142
Reviews: 137
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 14.13%
Wants: 9
Gots: 0 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: kirok1999 on 05-16-2007)
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Photo of Sammy
3.48/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Bottle from Whole Foods, Cleveland Heights. A strange IPA, commercial description more of barleywine. Bitter IPA mostly, highly carbonated, below average moutfeel. Light orange colour. A little spicy, bready. Drinkable, though not that drinkable,OK as an IPA. A bit of hop aroma.Not all that much flavour for all that a.b.v.

Sammy, May 24, 2009
Photo of projectflam86
2.98/5  rDev -20.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A- Pours a deep amber toffee color with a thick creamy beige head that leaves nice lacing.

S- Roasted malt and caramel make up the nose with a barely noticeable hop profile in the background.

T- Some initial hop bitterness that give rise to a rich roasted sweet malt flavor. A light grain and yeast sweetness comes through with caramel and earthy tastes. The hop flavor was not as developed as I was hoping for from a brew called a 'Hopwine' but it was present nonetheless. Alcohol is fairly present and easily noticeable.

M- Medium/full body with am ok amount of carbonation.

D- Not a bad brew but much more in the Barleywine category than a DIPA to me.

projectflam86, May 19, 2009
Photo of SykDoc
4.2/5  rDev +12%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a bomber into a pint glass. It pours a nice copper color that is translucent when held to the light. A 3/4 inch light tan head forms and reduces moderately slowly to a light lacing. Some carbonation and no sediment are noted.

The aroma is an interesting combination of piney hops and a good dose of caramel like malts. I'm also picking up an almost grass-like component.

The taste is quite good to me. There is primarily a caramel malt taste up front with some healthier pine notes following. I'm also getting a bread like taste and although not heavy in multiple flavors, those present are good. Mild alcohol taste at the very end.

This is a medium bodied beer. The carbonation seems almost too light up front but comes on nicely at the finish. There is a bitter finish that feels dry, but is quite good.

Overall, I am impressed with this beer. I like a beer that can combine the hops and malts well and taste good. I think this is a fairly drinkable beer and the alcohol is well hidden, which may make it dangerous to drink a lot of.

SykDoc, May 06, 2009
Photo of kmeves
3/5  rDev -20%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a thick deep amber brown with a almost nonexistent medium beige head. Aroma is medium sweet, heavy caramel, floral, bread and light grapefruit. Flavor is bread, pine, grapefruit, some orange, light grape and more caramel. Sticky texture, full body. Alcohol somewhat apparent.

kmeves, Apr 07, 2009
Photo of sarahspat
4.45/5  rDev +18.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bright cloudy orange with a deep, thick looking orange sherbet colored head.

Smells mostly of caramel and pineapple. Very strong, deep scents. Not too complex, but it smells delicious. Reminds me of Devil Dancer.

Like the nose, the taste is not overly complex. However, there is a lot of a few good things going on here. Namely, caramel malt, and piney, earthy hops. If I had never had Devil Dancer, this Existential might have completely blown my mind; it could pass for a (slightly) tamer version of Devil Dancer. But if you take it by itself, this is a phenomenally well done beer. It's well-balanced, but packed with flavor, both hops and malt. Maybe leaning a bit more towards the malty side. The mouthfeel is thick and chewy with enough carbonation to go around.

This brew is DELICIOUS. There is no sign of alcohol on the palate, which is just a little bit crazy for a beer with an ABV like this. Existential Ale is dangerously easy to put back.

I have been wanting to try this beer for over a year now because of its name (double major in Philosophy and Russian Studies here). But it took me a while to get around to it because I heard some bad things about it from someone (I don't even remember who it was now). After trying it for myself, I have now reached the conclusion that this beer is vastly underrated. It's become an instant favorite of mine.

sarahspat, Apr 05, 2009
Photo of beer2day
3.95/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours copper with virtually no head. Leaves behind decent lacing, though.

Nose is very bold, with flowery hops dominating for me. Ordinarily this would rate higher for me, but there's a mild wet laundry smell there dragging me back down.

Very chewy. Lots of body and you can practically feel the hops in the thickness of this. Starts thick, turns flowery hop bitter, and finishes well.

beer2day, Apr 02, 2009
Photo of LilBeerDoctor
3.28/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bottle thanks to mreusch. Pours a cloudy light brown with a small white head. Aroma of sweet caramel malt, raisin, alcohol and perhaps a touch of citrus. Flavor is mostly sweet caramel, with a touch of stale wheat malt, and a bitter finish. The alcohol slowly makes its presence as you continue to drink. I liked this at first, but it really wore on me.
6/4/7/3/13 (3.3/5)

LilBeerDoctor, Mar 31, 2009
Photo of jeremyd365
3.05/5  rDev -18.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Advertised as "Existential Ale": Poured a golden coppery with a white head. Smelled for a strange fruity-malty-hoppiness and also tasted of a strange blend that I wasn't too fond of. I don't know exactly what I didn't like, but perhaps it was the type of hops used or the other spices involved. It was strange nonetheless, but with a decent mouthfeel being about medium. The drinkability would have been fine had I liked the flavor. It just wasn't my cup of tea, but I guess others should try it for themselves.

jeremyd365, Mar 23, 2009
Photo of robbyc1
4.1/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Definitely, a hopwine, not a double IPA. Spicy hops, deep malt, high abv, this has a nose of alcohol, spices, and maltiness, the hops appear in the taste, backing the malt, pretty good, change the style please, I think it's a good drinker, but a sipper for sure.

robbyc1, Mar 22, 2009
Photo of WakeandBake
4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz Bottle. A cloudy amber color with a medium offwhite head that stuck around a while. Lots of lacing. Aroma of grapefruit , floral and citrus hops, caramel, underlying fruity notes, hint of bread like notes with some grain. Full bodied with an average carbonation and hint of alcoholic and dry texture. Nice bitter flavor with light to moderate sweetness lots of piny and floral hops with a good malt base to balance things out.. Dry and bitter finish. Very nice .

WakeandBake, Feb 27, 2009
Photo of John_M
3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On tap at UJ's on the Manatawny last weekend.

The beer pours a copper amber color with decent head retention and lacing. The nose is pretty sweet and malty on this beer, but with a good lick of noticeable hoppy bitterness as well. Still, this beer smells as if it will be pretty sweet. As expected, this beer comes across as a fairly high alcohol IPA, but with a particular sweet and malty base. There is enough hops to keep it from tasting too sweet, but the beer is noticeable boozy and a bit heavy. The beer does have a pretty nice mouthfeel, and is smooth and long on the finish. However, alcohol is a bit over the top and hurts the beer's drinkability just a bit.

This is a still a solid beer, though I confess I'd like it even more if it had a bit less sweet malt and alcohol, and bit more hoppy bitterness to counter it.

John_M, Feb 25, 2009
Photo of BierFan
3.53/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

No freshness date. Poured from a 22 ounce brown bottle into a pint glass.

Appearance: Hazy dark orange body with an almost nonexistant light tan head and no carbonation.

Smell: Has the same creamy vanilla smell that other New Holland high gravity beers have, most likely because they all use the same yeast. Citrus hop aroma and a little alcohol bite are in the background.

Taste: Rich and creamy. Bitterness and citrus peel are in the finish. The alcohol is noticeable but not as much as some other reviews make it seem.

This is more of a barleywine or strong ale than a DIPA.

BierFan, Feb 04, 2009
Photo of GatorBeerNerd
3.33/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22 oz bottle bought for me at Jungle Jim's by a friend of mine. Poured into a Sierra Nevada Hop Tulip.

A: Pours a light copper color with a very minimal amount of head that consists of very large bubbles. The bubbles leave a decent amount of lacing.

S: A bit of an odd aroma. It has a boozy aroma like a fresh barleywine, but it has quite a bit of hops in the aroma as well. There is some caramel malt hiding in there as well.

T: Quite a bit of caramel malt sweetness which surprises me a bit based on the aroma. The boozy kick is certainly there as well. The hops are more muted in the taste than I expected from the aroma. The boozy finish is not that appealing to me. This one seems like it can't decide if it wants to be an IPA or a barleywine.

M: Medium body with excellent in mouth carbonation that makes it taste creamy. The mouth is left a bit slick like happens often with the style. The feel is the most enjoyable aspect of this one for me.

D: The boozy kick and after taste make this one a bit of a sipper for me.

GatorBeerNerd, Jan 22, 2009
Photo of maximum12
3.68/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

After an evening that included a Surly Furious & Wild Dog Gonzo, I needed something that would cut through the palate clutter like a laser. Hoo boy. This certainly fit the bill. And what's a hopwine?

For certain, this is a unique beer, which gets it points from the stink-go. The nose is unremarkable, alcohol with a bit of hops, but the taste is where this is at. I tend to favor my IIPAs as hops bombs - balance? it's a IIPA, screw balance! - but this one goes the opposite direction. The hops are present & saying the pledge, but the malts aren't balancing, they're screaming for attention & being hauled off to detention. If you're going to fuck up an IIPA by using malt, go deep! I like it.

Drinkability is high if you want to wake up sprawled out naked on your deck. Otherwise, imbibe with caution.

Good brew. New Holland is doing some good things, some I appreciate, some not so much, but tip-o-the-cap for the effort.

maximum12, Jan 18, 2009
Photo of SaCkErZ9
3.13/5  rDev -16.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a slightly hazy burnt brown color with a very small and unsubstantial white head. Leaves pox on top of the beer like stirred up kool-aid.

Aroma is slightly hoppy and alcoholic. Plenty of maltiness to aid the hops and present a semblance of balance. Still, the beer leans toward alcohol and sweetness and maltiness.

Very hoppy and fruity and quite sweet up front followed by bitterness and a very clear alcohol bite. More fruit and caramel goodness in the finish.

Perhaps it is me, but I am growing tired of these DIPAs with way too much malt (read sweetness). I am looking for that hop explosion in bitterness in a DIPA. That is rare these days. This was okay but I grow weary of the same thing over and over.

SaCkErZ9, Jan 13, 2009
Photo of wingman14
3.48/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours a nice medium orange with a small white head that fades fast. Smell is very sweet and hoppy up front, some floral and citrus undertones as well. The taste follows suit, starts sweet and hoppy, the hops are not as strong as I would have thought. The sweetness drives this beer. The beer then moves to a weird sweet taste, the has a slight hop aftertaste followed by some alcohol overtones. The mouthfeel is smooth, medium body, the sweetness gets stronger and quite potent. This on is not the easiest drinker considering the sweetness and high ABV, it is an interesting brew that is worth checking out.

wingman14, Jan 10, 2009
Photo of jbramley
3.25/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Pours out a fairly standard pale orange with minimal head. Smells of sweet florals with a background of pine. Taste is overwhelmingly sweet with a weak bitter aftertaste. Cloying sweetness only lasts a little bit making it fairly drinkable. Little to no taste of the 10.50% makes this a dangerously sweet brew.

I prefer my DIPAs to be more bitter than sweet, but if you like a less bitter DIPA, this may be a good beer for you.

jbramley, Jan 07, 2009
Photo of ckeegan04
3.35/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Crystal clear orange. Thin wispy off-white head with lots of bubbles. Quickly fades to nothing. Leaves very little lacing.

S - Citrusy hop aroma, lots of grapefruit. A little boozy. Faint sweetness with hints of caramel.

T - Caramel sweetness that is very overwhelming. Citrusy hoppiness comes through quickly with a moderate bitterness. Far too sweet for a good DIPA.

M - Good carbonation and very oily. Not sure where the oiliness comes from because there is little in the way of mouth coating hop resins.

D - Sippable but taste is not great. Alcohol is present but not overwhelming making it easy drinking.

ckeegan04, Dec 24, 2008
Photo of tadowdaddy
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- Very orangish brown tint to this beer. Head was very minimal, but what was there was a tan color. It did have good retention of such a little head. Lacing was prominent.

S- WOW. Smells very complex. Initially some huge pine hops, and a nice caramel malt scent in the background.

T- Completely opposite of what I'd expect due to the hop scent. The beer itself is really sweet. Get some caramel malty sweetness throughout the time that this is in your mouth. Once you swallow, you're left with a very bitter piney hop taste. Overall, very much more balanced than I'd have imagined by the smell.
Not your typical hoppy IIPA taste however.

M- Chewy, thick, a tad syrupy. The bitter backend to this beer really sticks around for a long time, which I really like. Alcohol is noticible after you swallow it too, and it sticks out in my mouth.

D- High ABV makes it a horrible beer to session, but rating drinkability by enjoyment, I've gotta give it a 4.

Should have tried this sooner. Had some real barleywine like characteristics. I like it!

tadowdaddy, Dec 15, 2008
Photo of calise1122
3.88/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Second of the day, stared with BORIS the Crusher and sipped slow, really enjoying it. Took a break and the hop head in me wants to get some love. So like any good coach, I revisited my game plan.

I recently got a New Holland Existential Ale from New Holland Brew company in a trade (thanks again wisrarebeer) and decided to pull the trigger. The pour coincides with the Seahawks slowly driving on my Pats... hopefully this New Holland Mojo will change things:

This 22 oz bomber comes via their High Gravity Series. The bottle explains that this "Is what it is." Amen, only if it all were that simple.

Holy soap bath, rubber ducky and all...bubbles explode on top of a golden straw color liquid that turns darker as it takes a tour of the glass. Once filled, the soap suds settle down on top of an inch thick light tan head... but they keep on popping. (shoot, 7-0 Seahawks.. that drive was to long and too easy) Nice lacing... beehive lacing that clings strong and tight. And the lacing lasts, no rings here... this lace sticks like peanut butter, leaving a coat down the glass.

Lots of pine on the nose, mixed in with caramel... nice smelling beer. Not over powering by any means, and the malt driven characters are get stronger as you smell. Kind of like back seat drivers, they don't control this leg of the drive, but they sure as hell want you to think they do. Shit, I just dunked my nose in the friggin beer... god damnit, the Pats can't stop the run and I can't smell a beer....

Hmmm? Where did the piney hop smell go and hide... very sweet, actually very sweet with strong honey and caramel. It's as if the malt and honey brokered a deal where the hops would take the smell and the malts would handle the flavor... but then both of them tried to finagle their way into the other half of the deal, showing up late to the party with a tuxedo on... demanding to be noticed. The aroma was hop on the front with a nice caramel maltiness lingering around and the complete opposite happened for me on the taste... honey, caramel, vanilla on the front with some hop on the finish. The problem is, the Malt showed up in an all white tux with blue suede shoes... out performing the hops. Me thinks this might be better off called Winehop.

It is full bodied and creamy. Plain and simple? It feels good in my mouth. (wow, I was going to erase that and rewrite, but I deserve to be responsible for my initial thoughts... and the pats are down 14-3, this Mojo is NOT doing what I had hoped)

It's a big beer, that is for sure. I recently had Southern Tier Back Burner, which I didn't care for to much... but this takes the sweetness that I did enjoy out of that beer and put it on a platform that suits my style better. I just wish the hops had the fancy tux at this dance. The bottle really summed it up nicely, this beer is what it is.

calise1122, Dec 07, 2008
Photo of DefenCorps
3.43/5  rDev -8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

22oz bottle received from the generous Nephilium in the Virgin BIF. Thanks, Marty! I split this with my roommate this afternoon. Poured into my Sam Smith nonic pint

A: Mostly clear copper with some mild particulates floating around. Thin beige head with pretty good retention that leaves a good bit of lacework as it recedes. Solid

S: On the nose, this beer is mostly sweet with some pine hop bitterness. Rather rich with a good bit of caramel and honey-like sweetness. Hop aroma is mostly pine with some citrus/orange

T: On the palate, this beer is rather sweet (again) with the malt dominating. Caramel, honey, brown sugar - all OK in a barleywine but less than ideal in a DIPA. Thankfully, there's enough of a malt backbone to make this appealing even after the hops fade. As you've probably guess, the hops have faded and the little bit of pine and spruce that's present compliments the malt well.

M: Fullish in body with low carbonation that enhances the sweetness of this beer. The finish is a little sweet with some hop character.

D: Average, even though I split this, the sweetness got cloying towards the end.

DefenCorps, Dec 07, 2008
Photo of lpayette
4.28/5  rDev +14.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Received in trade as an extra from a very generous iconoklaztor. Bottle claims 200lbs per barrel of american grown barley, and a whopping 37 ounces per barrel of american grown hops. hell yeah.

A- perhaps the only let down of this beer is the appearance due to under-carbonation. The hardest of hard pours produced just under two fingers of head in my tulip. Lacing however abounded, so you can't go wrong with that.

S- so very hoppy. I love it. obviously dry-hopped. it's got some malt sweetness in there too which is a bit of prelude to the taste.

T- As expected, hoppy as hell (or should I say heaven?). The title as listed on BA is very fitting as this being a so-called "Hopwine," but they must have dropped that from the name because I don't see it anywhere on this bottle. It reminds me quite a bit of smuttynose wheat wine... hop profile is very similar, and the malt sweetness has much the same near candy-like characteristic.

M- Could use a bit more carbonation to help cleanse the palate a bit more and add some texture. Would also help the appearance as previously noted. Aftertaste lingers for months.

Drinkability- A very solid offering from New Holland. There are lots of great Imperial IPAs out there these days, and this is one of them. I think this one is just a tad under appreciated. Ranking-wise.

lpayette, Nov 29, 2008
Photo of Donnie2112
4.53/5  rDev +20.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

poured this bomber into my Brooklyn Imperial pint glass. The body of the beer is translucent red/amber, the head starts off big and fluggy and fades into a film that leaves notches of lace curtains as the beer is drained down the glass, the only carbonation visible is sourcing from the edge of the glass and the nucleation etches on the floor of the glass

caramel, lots of caramel and brown sugar on the nose with a bit of citric, piney hop back

The overall combination of flavors made me think of a red grapefruit with a hint of sugar. It is an extremely sweet beer that gets cleaned up nicely by a balancing, crisp, piney, citrus rind hop finish.

This is definetly a big beer and the body is quite full, nice moderate carbonation, snappy citric astringence at the end

In my opinion the term "hopwine" is more logical to me then calling this a double IPA. American Barleywine could also be a good name for this one. I have to say I think this is a fantastic beer, it's huge and flavorful it has a nice astringence and the carbonation lend it superior drinkability. Fantastic beer.

Donnie2112, Nov 21, 2008
Photo of HeyItsChili
4.4/5  rDev +17.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

The beer has a beautiful amber-blond shade to it. It has some decent viscosity to it, and leaves a slightly bubbly, slow-slumping film on the inside of my glass.

The aroma is very hoppy, as the name would suggest, with some malt backing it up if not slightly overpowering it. There's a tinge of sweetness intertwining with a kick of alcohol that gives away the 10.5% ABV boasted by this brew.

Texture-wise it is a little creamy, breaking up and thinning out as I twirl it on the end of my tongue.

The flavor starts off buttery sweet, candy/caramel/toffee blending with a powerful backend. One can almost sense the bitter hoppy aftertaste, but before it really kicks your tongue it is brilliantly masked by the other flavors.

This is described as a hopwine, and I think that is an appropriate name as this blends the crisp boldness of a strong IPA with the strength and sweetness of a barley wine.

Summary: Drink this beer if you want a well crafted beer that is unabashedly hoppy, but not obnoxiously so; that's strong and sweet; that's creamy, but not sludgy.

HeyItsChili, Nov 20, 2008
Photo of Metalmonk
4.13/5  rDev +10.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

100th review for this beer on BA! Yay for me.

Glowing, glossy rust/sienna immediately indicates some kind of thickness, or big creaminess, as the bubbles are moving in total slo-mo through it, up to a crazy creamy head that dies to a thinner layer of really big bubbles...looks almost like dishsoap after a while. Hmm. Ghostly lace streaks, but not a ton. Everything about this is screaming "Creamy!" so far...even if the flavor sucks, I'm guessing this is a syrupy, thick, buttery and/or creamy wonder of texture. Let's see about that.

But first the nose: Big malt and big hops, intertwined, as it should be with a double IPA. Hops are quite polite, so the malt takes on the presence of thick-ass hella-gooey cookie dough. Alcohol takes on just a bit too much presence in the nose, bringing down the malt/hop wowza just a little.

Oddly, the same kind of thing happens in the flavor. At first a gooey soft-candy sweet maltiness--caramel, toffee, butter, cookie dough--wraps itself around grapefruit-y/rind-like hops. Nice. But then a medicinal presence takes over, lingering into the finish. Luckily, the malt/hop bigness wins out; its gooey, hoppy, malty seduction triumphs.

Is the texture as creamy as predicted? Close. Starts out with perfect thickness, but thins out somewhat. Still, I like the slick, buttery, oily feel here, I just wish the alcohol was incorporated in a more stealthlike manner--the mouthfeel would probably have felt better if the flavor were as fantastic as it should've been.

Although I don't see it anywhere on the bottle, somebody somewhere dubbed this a "Hopwine." It's an apt description, as there are indeed lotsa "hop"; the "wine" could be considered the strong alcoholic part of Existential's personality; but I would throw "bread" in there, due to its doughy-ness. It's pretty close to a barleywine, but its spirit is still very much DIPA. It also reminds of the Bastard family from Stone, same attitude, less control.

Metalmonk, Nov 18, 2008
New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 142 ratings.