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New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

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85
very good

142 Ratings
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Ratings: 142
Reviews: 137
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 14.13%
Wants: 9
Gots: 0 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: kirok1999 on 05-16-2007)
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Photo of GJ40
2.1/5  rDev -44%
look: 4 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 4 | overall: 1.5

Sampled from a 22oz bottle purchased at Sam's in Durham, NC.

A - Looks great starting with the bottle. It features a green hop head that really stands out against the brown background. As usual, the promise of hops got me on first site. It pours nicely as well with a golden color, good clarity and a thick white head.

S - My hopes for this beer ended here. The smell was almost completely of yeast. Nothing else really came through.

T - It got even worse. The flavor was sweet with a strong presence of alcohol and a slight bitterness but it just wasn't working. Maybe I got a bad bottle.

M - Good thickness and consistency.

D - I tried to find some redeeming quality in this beer but it was really bad. My wife finally convinced me to pour it down the drain and I'm glad she did. Maybe it was a bad bottle but I wouldn't risk buying another to find out.

Photo of SaCkErZ9
3.13/5  rDev -16.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a slightly hazy burnt brown color with a very small and unsubstantial white head. Leaves pox on top of the beer like stirred up kool-aid.

Aroma is slightly hoppy and alcoholic. Plenty of maltiness to aid the hops and present a semblance of balance. Still, the beer leans toward alcohol and sweetness and maltiness.

Very hoppy and fruity and quite sweet up front followed by bitterness and a very clear alcohol bite. More fruit and caramel goodness in the finish.

Perhaps it is me, but I am growing tired of these DIPAs with way too much malt (read sweetness). I am looking for that hop explosion in bitterness in a DIPA. That is rare these days. This was okay but I grow weary of the same thing over and over.

Photo of mntlover
3.68/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a rich amber color with small off white head that falls quickly to clumped foam, leaves some decent lace.

Aroma is nice rich earthy caramel dripping with hints of molasses, nice pine resin notes hidden underneath. Nice rich smelling not as hoppy as most I2PA's but very relaxing soothing smelling.

Taste is big on caramel malts sweet slightly cloying with nice alcohol notes. Kind of Old Ale or Strong Ale tasting more then I2PA. Hops can hardly keep up with big malt base that becomes more alcoholic as it warms, hardly a hop monster but not bad either, just need to relabel bottle.

Mouthfeel is not as big as all the malt would suggest but a medium with mellow carbonation.

Drinkability is good just don't expect an I2PA and all will be good. Not a bad beer just not what the bottle states it is.

Photo of Oxymoron
2.58/5  rDev -31.2%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

How do I know if the beer is really here or not? Pours a burnt orange color. Mostly cloudy with a fizzy white head. Does dissipate quickly but some rings around the glass. Limited lacing.

The nose is on par with an East coast DIPA. The hops come out nicely with some citrus and piney. There are some off notes, cat urine specifically, that I usually associate with simcoe hops. The malt is a bit muddle overall with some minor caramel and toffee notes. The yeast has some alcohol and noticeable musty notes.

The taste is similar but the malt comes out more as the hops back off. To start there is a sweet malt flavor that has some off toffee and nutty notes. There is a light honey flavor in the background. There is something I just can't pick out as well, but has a almost wheat characteristic. The hops are not as offensive as the nose but more of a piney flavor mixed with a earthy citrus finish. Good bitterness with some minor astringency. The yeast notes are off as well, with noticeable alcohol and esters, mostly floral.

The body is moderate to full. Some astringency but not over the top. Carbonation is low. Overall this is a disappointment for a DIPA. Muddle notes in the malt and off hop aromas and tastes. Noticeable off yeast characteristics. Sorry, just not very impressive.

Photo of ckeegan04
3.35/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Crystal clear orange. Thin wispy off-white head with lots of bubbles. Quickly fades to nothing. Leaves very little lacing.

S - Citrusy hop aroma, lots of grapefruit. A little boozy. Faint sweetness with hints of caramel.

T - Caramel sweetness that is very overwhelming. Citrusy hoppiness comes through quickly with a moderate bitterness. Far too sweet for a good DIPA.

M - Good carbonation and very oily. Not sure where the oiliness comes from because there is little in the way of mouth coating hop resins.

D - Sippable but taste is not great. Alcohol is present but not overwhelming making it easy drinking.

Photo of rajendra82
3.75/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I picked this bomber up at Green's in Greenville, South Carolina. The color of the beer was copper, the body clear, and the head quite small. For a beer with a silk screened hop cone on the label, the smell was quite subdued. I could pick up some distant earthy and citric hops, but its was nothing to rave about. The taste was much hoppier, as the spicy and bitter flavors were apparent immediately. The malt was skeletal in nature and provided a stable but unspectacular foundation. The alcohol was completely hidden, and this one drank like many IPAs rather than the barleywine strength it really was. In the mouth, this felt, oily, slippery, and mercurial. This was a very unique creation indeed, but I found it somewhat empty.

Photo of BeerBelcher
2.58/5  rDev -31.2%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

I was not a fan of this one. It was the last beer of the night and I was pretty hopped out by this one. Still, the sweet malty cereal-ness/graininess was an unpleasant surprise. Thought this beer was very unhopped for something called Hopewine...much more wheat wine than DIPA.

This beer poured a cloudy dull amber with a really minimal scummy head. Aroma was pure alcohol esters, which reminded me of rubbing alcohol. Flavor was sweet malty cerealness. Mouthfeel was dry and astringent...almost to the point of burning.

I would be reluctant to recommend this beer.

Photo of Mdog
3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: A medium pour gives a pretty cascade of bubbles that create a small head. Amber in color.

Smell: Citrus, deep caramel, a little bit of booze.

Taste: Nice sweet caramel with a dry citrus finish. Starts to get a little hot in alcohol after a few tastes.

Drinkability: Good for a change of pace but better DIPA's are out there.

I figured, it has a hop cone on the bottle, it must be good. The hops weren't as prominent as expected but it was still a good beer. Seemed a little more on the malty side than hoppy.

Photo of Wildman
4.33/5  rDev +15.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The description for this beer seems to put it in both the barley wine and double IPA categories. It poured a medium light amber color and formed an off white foamy head that coated the glass with lace as it subsided. A small amount of carbonation is present. An aroma of hops, malt, caramel and pepper. The flavor was of hops, malt, and caramel. It had a medium body with some creamy elements. The finish was slightly astringent and bitter with a hint of some of the alcohol present. A good beer that in my opinion does fall more into the barley wine category.

Photo of TasteTester
3.1/5  rDev -17.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Not overly impressed with this beer. Love New Holland, but this one missed the mark.

A-Deep amber, translucent. Little head on initial pour that disappeared quickly. Light lace, probably needed a cleaner glass.

S-Malty, hot alcohol, little to no hoppiness.

T-Not what I would have expected from NH. Weak compared to other DIPA. Bitter, malty hops.

M-Strong aftertaste for a weak ale. High alcohol content not well balanced.

D-Once was enough. Wouldn't be bad as a yearly-limited brew, but improvement over the years would be expected.

Photo of peabody
3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance is amber to brown and clear with lots of suds in the off-white vein.Slight lacing occuring on the tulip glass.
Smell is sugary malt with very little hops. A dried grape/raisin aroma with some cherry dark aroma in there also.
Taste is very dark and mild. Not bitter at all. Sugar and malt and plum. Alcohol is not present here. Great cold.
Mouthfeel is very clean and not bitter(which would have been a good thing for an IPA).
New Holland has a lot of nice beers. This one misses the mark by a little bit. Still a good brew, just not a great beer.

Photo of cvstrickland
2.95/5  rDev -21.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 2

Double-deuce bomber with a big-ass hop silk-screen printed on the bottle looks promising. Pouring the beer into a tulip glass yields a clear red-orange-amber body with a fat finger-thick cap of pale, extremely fine-bubbled foam that retains at a big bubbly ring and leaves sticky lacing.

Smell is faint. Where are the hops? A little caramel and an earthy note make me wonder again, "Where are the damned hops?"

Taste is sweet, sweet, with a tang of alcohol-laden lemon and boozy orange. Syrupy mouthfeel and simple-syrupy sweetness is only countered by a vicious cheap vodka-style alcohol bite, as there is no hop bite to speak of. Wait, I'm wrong. There it is/was... a little sticky green thing in the aftertaste...right before the intense alcohol warming made me break into a sweat and set my fingers tingling. Caramel is more prominent as the beer warms, but as if miraculously, the alcohol begins to subside (probably as it numbs my palate and my brain). No, I'm wrong again...it's still as strong as ever. I'd rather shoot Jack Daniels if I want a burn and violent alcohol flavors. Hell, Jack is smoother than this!!!

Wincing, hating this beer a little. Dreading each caramelly-boozy swallow, but too stupid to dump it in the sink where it belongs. Feeling the burn and a nice little buzz. Never buying this again, as Olde English High-Gravity is waaay cheaper, and probably has just as many hops in it.

One more time:

Q: So, where are the damned hops?

A: Screen-printed on the bottle.

Photo of beer2day
3.95/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours copper with virtually no head. Leaves behind decent lacing, though.

Nose is very bold, with flowery hops dominating for me. Ordinarily this would rate higher for me, but there's a mild wet laundry smell there dragging me back down.

Very chewy. Lots of body and you can practically feel the hops in the thickness of this. Starts thick, turns flowery hop bitter, and finishes well.

Photo of robwestcott
3.93/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

thanks to arvjunk and the barleywine BIF for this one.

poured cold and aggressively from the bottle to a dogfish head shaped pint glass a semi-tranlucent copper with a big bubbled off white, short lasting head leaving hints of spotty lace after each sip.

nice hearty aroma of earthy hops and thick sticky sweet malts.

this one is grassy / earthy hops forward, but its a subtle king of forward, not a bitter type of forward. sneaking up on you hot with a nice candy finish.

medium bodied, creamy smooth, low carbonation. hot. no bitter to speak of.

drinkable - a bomber or so.

overall - a very interesting style crusher.

Photo of Westsidethreat
3.28/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Hate to say its amber…but it is. Really, simply, amber. The head is quite stunning; thick and creamy, looking like whipped butter perched on top of the brew.

S: Bubble gum, soap, caramel, butterscotch.

T: Begins sweet, almost cloying. Really malty, lot of caramel and butterscotch. Where the hell are the hops? It you put a hop on the bottle, you better have some hops in the beer. There’s a little bit around the tip of the tongue with a nip of bitterness, but not enough. Moves to a buttery trend wit minor apple and tropical sweetness.

M: Medium body and syrupy.

D: This in one boring beer. Not bad but quite boring. Seriously, listed as a double IPA? Don't you have to be an IPA before you can be listed as a double?

Photo of FtownThrowDown
4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On draft at Glendale Cafe.
Pours a ruby red in color with brownish undertones. Very big on the smell. You can tell right away that this is big beer. Plenty of malt and sweetness in the taste. Followed by some hops to help round it out. Not incredibly complex, but a good beer. Mouthfeel is huge and creamy. Slightly bittering as well.

Photo of bruachan
4.05/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

i'm not sure about the mix-up btw this and the other entry. this seems to be the correct one. it's giving me sartrean dread just worrying about it

hazy orange/red. the head is nice enough, despite some heavy alcohol.

bigaromas. i like the designation "hopwine"--hoppy. some caramel/butterscotch aspects to it. despite the size, it's very manageable. the flavor, however, is a real kick in the teeth. super bitter and big on the malt-derived flavors

Photo of roadhouse
3.53/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 22 oz. bomber into a snifter. I'm not sure this should be categorized as a DIPA, the New Holland rep told me it was a cross between a DIPA and a Barleywine, so maybe it should be an American Strong Ale?

Appears a hazy dark orange color with a thin, less than one centimeter, soapy looking off-white head.

Aroma is sweet and malty with a nice hop bite that reminds me of citrus and a bit of pininess.

Taste is kind of strange actually. It starts out with a malty sweetness then hops take over and make it quite bitter. There is a certain fruitiness to it, but I distinguish any particulars. Bitter, fruity finish lingers on.

Mouthfeel is definitely lacking in the carbonation department. It seems like it's going to be thick but ends up being way too thin.

I was quite disappointed with this one. That usually doesn't happen with New Holland, but oh well.

Photo of jjayjaye
4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a slightly hazy orange amber color with about a finger light orange wispy head that resists fading. A good amount of lacing. The smell is wonderful; like a sugary citrus syrup. Adequately carbonated, the mouth feel is rich and heavy. Full flavored, the taste is quite sweet... obviously a ton of malt in there! The 10.5% ABV and the unique hoppy character present themselves well on another level during the swallowing breadth . A real nice drinker. Pops, I'm afraid I'm going to need to consider this one some more. Hope that you'll be up for that. Peace.

Photo of mattcrill
3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Aroma: Orange juice and citrusy notes lend way to some piney resin aromatics. Sliced candied oranges with some gentle alcohol warming the nose.

Appearance: Very murky and hazy amber pour with a very thin sudsy white head.

Flavor: Good firm carmel base with more pithy citrusy hops to balance. Floral and light grassy hoppiness overlay a nice warming alcohol base. Low fruity esters appear as the beer warms up.

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied with low carbonation. Warms the palate on the way down.

Overall impression: A big, powerful American Barleywine. Too sweet and too much malt character for a double IPA. I would have liked to have seen more carbonation. These big beers from New Holland are notoriously undercarbonated. Disappointing b/c I think this could be a world class beer with a touch more carbonation to open up the aromatics and flavor profile. Probably worth trying once but not much more than that.

Photo of meatyard
3.23/5  rDev -13.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Thanks to AltBock, this is one of his many generous gifts before being re-stationed in Okinawa.

Pours a hazy, amber/orange with a short, off-white head that has little retention and very slight lacing.
The smell is mostly sweet malt and little else.
The taste is very different from the aroma. The malt is the same but there is a grassy hop flavor and a bitterness that lingers.
Mouthfeel is full but with no carbonation.
Drinkability is not so hot in my estimation, it's definitely not in the East or West coast style for a DIPA. I don't think it's old, but how do you tell if there's no bottled on date?

Photo of SPLITGRIN
2.45/5  rDev -34.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Reviewed 6-17-07

This beer was so fresh the store where I bought it didnt even have it in the system yet.

The body is a nicely amber orange brown haze. It hosts a creamy tan head that fades to a skim with some lace. Nose is a sweet mix of odd notes including rasberry, rubarb, and fresh peppers and sweet tarts. On first sip you get a really unbalanced run of flavors including underdeveloped malt, tomato paste, cherry candy, and a hop character that is scattered with notes of raw fresh cut grass. This beer is "odd" overall. Mouthfeel is a bitter doughy hue. I had no real desire to finish this beer.

Photo of BMoney575
3.95/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sampled on 5-25-07

Pours a nice orange color, with a big head that is still there long after the pour, followed by huge lacing.

Smell is super piney hops, with a strong malt backbone to keep everything even.

Taste is ridiculous piney hops, with a huge amount of earthy maltiness in the middle. The finish doesn't taste bitter, but you can feel it on the sides of your tongue. A huge alcohol warmth rounds the experience out. Different but good.

Mouthfeel is huge, thick, syrupy, and resiny. The carbonation fades away and leaves this beer somewhat flat, which adds to the heavy mouthfeel.

Drinkability is not as good, huge flavors and thickness are intense.

Overall, the second in the New Holland high gravity series that I have tried, and I'm impressed. This beer stands on its own, and is better for it.

Photo of BierFan
3.53/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

No freshness date. Poured from a 22 ounce brown bottle into a pint glass.

Appearance: Hazy dark orange body with an almost nonexistant light tan head and no carbonation.

Smell: Has the same creamy vanilla smell that other New Holland high gravity beers have, most likely because they all use the same yeast. Citrus hop aroma and a little alcohol bite are in the background.

Taste: Rich and creamy. Bitterness and citrus peel are in the finish. The alcohol is noticeable but not as much as some other reviews make it seem.

This is more of a barleywine or strong ale than a DIPA.

Photo of barleywinebrewer
4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

there's always the exception that proves the rule. Noted here as a DIPA, by my glass I'd say EBW meets Wheat Wine - the resulting blend gets mugged by hops and is bottled. I liked it.

A - Dark golden in color, nice thick white head.

S - Rich sweet biscuit malts cut with honey and bouyed with a citric undertone

T - Similar to the aroma but with an underlying sweet toasted grain feel at mid bottle.

M - full bodied, mild to medium carbonated. A warmth to the sip lets you know it's strong and a whomp of a hop glow lends a brashness that's appreciated.

D - Another relax in the evening and enjoy beer.

thanks to hoppymeal for this via the BW BIF 2.

New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 142 ratings.