New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

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Reviews: 137
Hads: 142
rAvg: 3.73
pDev: 13.4%
Wants: 9
Gots: 0 | FT: 0
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New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

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Beer added by: alexgash on 01-04-2007

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Reviews: 137 | Hads: 142
Photo of beer2day
3.95/5  rDev +5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours copper with virtually no head. Leaves behind decent lacing, though.

Nose is very bold, with flowery hops dominating for me. Ordinarily this would rate higher for me, but there's a mild wet laundry smell there dragging me back down.

Very chewy. Lots of body and you can practically feel the hops in the thickness of this. Starts thick, turns flowery hop bitter, and finishes well. (387 characters)

Photo of LilBeerDoctor
3.26/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bottle thanks to mreusch. Pours a cloudy light brown with a small white head. Aroma of sweet caramel malt, raisin, alcohol and perhaps a touch of citrus. Flavor is mostly sweet caramel, with a touch of stale wheat malt, and a bitter finish. The alcohol slowly makes its presence as you continue to drink. I liked this at first, but it really wore on me.
6/4/7/3/13 (3.3/5) (372 characters)

Photo of jeremyd365
3.1/5  rDev -16.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Advertised as "Existential Ale": Poured a golden coppery with a white head. Smelled for a strange fruity-malty-hoppiness and also tasted of a strange blend that I wasn't too fond of. I don't know exactly what I didn't like, but perhaps it was the type of hops used or the other spices involved. It was strange nonetheless, but with a decent mouthfeel being about medium. The drinkability would have been fine had I liked the flavor. It just wasn't my cup of tea, but I guess others should try it for themselves. (511 characters)

Photo of robbyc1
4.07/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Definitely, a hopwine, not a double IPA. Spicy hops, deep malt, high abv, this has a nose of alcohol, spices, and maltiness, the hops appear in the taste, backing the malt, pretty good, change the style please, I think it's a good drinker, but a sipper for sure. (262 characters)

Photo of WakeandBake
4.2/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz Bottle. A cloudy amber color with a medium offwhite head that stuck around a while. Lots of lacing. Aroma of grapefruit , floral and citrus hops, caramel, underlying fruity notes, hint of bread like notes with some grain. Full bodied with an average carbonation and hint of alcoholic and dry texture. Nice bitter flavor with light to moderate sweetness lots of piny and floral hops with a good malt base to balance things out.. Dry and bitter finish. Very nice . (468 characters)

Photo of John_M
3.9/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On tap at UJ's on the Manatawny last weekend.

The beer pours a copper amber color with decent head retention and lacing. The nose is pretty sweet and malty on this beer, but with a good lick of noticeable hoppy bitterness as well. Still, this beer smells as if it will be pretty sweet. As expected, this beer comes across as a fairly high alcohol IPA, but with a particular sweet and malty base. There is enough hops to keep it from tasting too sweet, but the beer is noticeable boozy and a bit heavy. The beer does have a pretty nice mouthfeel, and is smooth and long on the finish. However, alcohol is a bit over the top and hurts the beer's drinkability just a bit.

This is a still a solid beer, though I confess I'd like it even more if it had a bit less sweet malt and alcohol, and bit more hoppy bitterness to counter it. (830 characters)

Photo of BierFan
3.55/5  rDev -4.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

No freshness date. Poured from a 22 ounce brown bottle into a pint glass.

Appearance: Hazy dark orange body with an almost nonexistant light tan head and no carbonation.

Smell: Has the same creamy vanilla smell that other New Holland high gravity beers have, most likely because they all use the same yeast. Citrus hop aroma and a little alcohol bite are in the background.

Taste: Rich and creamy. Bitterness and citrus peel are in the finish. The alcohol is noticeable but not as much as some other reviews make it seem.

This is more of a barleywine or strong ale than a DIPA. (582 characters)

Photo of GatorBeerNerd
3.35/5  rDev -10.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22 oz bottle bought for me at Jungle Jim's by a friend of mine. Poured into a Sierra Nevada Hop Tulip.

A: Pours a light copper color with a very minimal amount of head that consists of very large bubbles. The bubbles leave a decent amount of lacing.

S: A bit of an odd aroma. It has a boozy aroma like a fresh barleywine, but it has quite a bit of hops in the aroma as well. There is some caramel malt hiding in there as well.

T: Quite a bit of caramel malt sweetness which surprises me a bit based on the aroma. The boozy kick is certainly there as well. The hops are more muted in the taste than I expected from the aroma. The boozy finish is not that appealing to me. This one seems like it can't decide if it wants to be an IPA or a barleywine.

M: Medium body with excellent in mouth carbonation that makes it taste creamy. The mouth is left a bit slick like happens often with the style. The feel is the most enjoyable aspect of this one for me.

D: The boozy kick and after taste make this one a bit of a sipper for me. (1,030 characters)

Photo of maximum12
3.63/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

After an evening that included a Surly Furious & Wild Dog Gonzo, I needed something that would cut through the palate clutter like a laser. Hoo boy. This certainly fit the bill. And what's a hopwine?

For certain, this is a unique beer, which gets it points from the stink-go. The nose is unremarkable, alcohol with a bit of hops, but the taste is where this is at. I tend to favor my IIPAs as hops bombs - balance? it's a IIPA, screw balance! - but this one goes the opposite direction. The hops are present & saying the pledge, but the malts aren't balancing, they're screaming for attention & being hauled off to detention. If you're going to fuck up an IIPA by using malt, go deep! I like it.

Drinkability is high if you want to wake up sprawled out naked on your deck. Otherwise, imbibe with caution.

Good brew. New Holland is doing some good things, some I appreciate, some not so much, but tip-o-the-cap for the effort. (931 characters)

Photo of SaCkErZ9
3.14/5  rDev -15.8%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a slightly hazy burnt brown color with a very small and unsubstantial white head. Leaves pox on top of the beer like stirred up kool-aid.

Aroma is slightly hoppy and alcoholic. Plenty of maltiness to aid the hops and present a semblance of balance. Still, the beer leans toward alcohol and sweetness and maltiness.

Very hoppy and fruity and quite sweet up front followed by bitterness and a very clear alcohol bite. More fruit and caramel goodness in the finish.

Perhaps it is me, but I am growing tired of these DIPAs with way too much malt (read sweetness). I am looking for that hop explosion in bitterness in a DIPA. That is rare these days. This was okay but I grow weary of the same thing over and over. (719 characters)

Photo of wingman14
3.48/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours a nice medium orange with a small white head that fades fast. Smell is very sweet and hoppy up front, some floral and citrus undertones as well. The taste follows suit, starts sweet and hoppy, the hops are not as strong as I would have thought. The sweetness drives this beer. The beer then moves to a weird sweet taste, the has a slight hop aftertaste followed by some alcohol overtones. The mouthfeel is smooth, medium body, the sweetness gets stronger and quite potent. This on is not the easiest drinker considering the sweetness and high ABV, it is an interesting brew that is worth checking out. (607 characters)

Photo of jbramley
3.26/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Pours out a fairly standard pale orange with minimal head. Smells of sweet florals with a background of pine. Taste is overwhelmingly sweet with a weak bitter aftertaste. Cloying sweetness only lasts a little bit making it fairly drinkable. Little to no taste of the 10.50% makes this a dangerously sweet brew.

I prefer my DIPAs to be more bitter than sweet, but if you like a less bitter DIPA, this may be a good beer for you. (428 characters)

Photo of ckeegan04
3.39/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Crystal clear orange. Thin wispy off-white head with lots of bubbles. Quickly fades to nothing. Leaves very little lacing.

S - Citrusy hop aroma, lots of grapefruit. A little boozy. Faint sweetness with hints of caramel.

T - Caramel sweetness that is very overwhelming. Citrusy hoppiness comes through quickly with a moderate bitterness. Far too sweet for a good DIPA.

M - Good carbonation and very oily. Not sure where the oiliness comes from because there is little in the way of mouth coating hop resins.

D - Sippable but taste is not great. Alcohol is present but not overwhelming making it easy drinking. (621 characters)

Photo of tadowdaddy
4/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A- Very orangish brown tint to this beer. Head was very minimal, but what was there was a tan color. It did have good retention of such a little head. Lacing was prominent.

S- WOW. Smells very complex. Initially some huge pine hops, and a nice caramel malt scent in the background.

T- Completely opposite of what I'd expect due to the hop scent. The beer itself is really sweet. Get some caramel malty sweetness throughout the time that this is in your mouth. Once you swallow, you're left with a very bitter piney hop taste. Overall, very much more balanced than I'd have imagined by the smell.
Not your typical hoppy IIPA taste however.

M- Chewy, thick, a tad syrupy. The bitter backend to this beer really sticks around for a long time, which I really like. Alcohol is noticible after you swallow it too, and it sticks out in my mouth.

D- High ABV makes it a horrible beer to session, but rating drinkability by enjoyment, I've gotta give it a 4.

Should have tried this sooner. Had some real barleywine like characteristics. I like it! (1,049 characters)

Photo of calise1122
3.86/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Second of the day, stared with BORIS the Crusher and sipped slow, really enjoying it. Took a break and the hop head in me wants to get some love. So like any good coach, I revisited my game plan.

I recently got a New Holland Existential Ale from New Holland Brew company in a trade (thanks again wisrarebeer) and decided to pull the trigger. The pour coincides with the Seahawks slowly driving on my Pats... hopefully this New Holland Mojo will change things:

This 22 oz bomber comes via their High Gravity Series. The bottle explains that this "Is what it is." Amen, only if it all were that simple.

Holy soap bath, rubber ducky and all...bubbles explode on top of a golden straw color liquid that turns darker as it takes a tour of the glass. Once filled, the soap suds settle down on top of an inch thick light tan head... but they keep on popping. (shoot, 7-0 Seahawks.. that drive was to long and too easy) Nice lacing... beehive lacing that clings strong and tight. And the lacing lasts, no rings here... this lace sticks like peanut butter, leaving a coat down the glass.

Lots of pine on the nose, mixed in with caramel... nice smelling beer. Not over powering by any means, and the malt driven characters are get stronger as you smell. Kind of like back seat drivers, they don't control this leg of the drive, but they sure as hell want you to think they do. Shit, I just dunked my nose in the friggin beer... god damnit, the Pats can't stop the run and I can't smell a beer....

Hmmm? Where did the piney hop smell go and hide... very sweet, actually very sweet with strong honey and caramel. It's as if the malt and honey brokered a deal where the hops would take the smell and the malts would handle the flavor... but then both of them tried to finagle their way into the other half of the deal, showing up late to the party with a tuxedo on... demanding to be noticed. The aroma was hop on the front with a nice caramel maltiness lingering around and the complete opposite happened for me on the taste... honey, caramel, vanilla on the front with some hop on the finish. The problem is, the Malt showed up in an all white tux with blue suede shoes... out performing the hops. Me thinks this might be better off called Winehop.

It is full bodied and creamy. Plain and simple? It feels good in my mouth. (wow, I was going to erase that and rewrite, but I deserve to be responsible for my initial thoughts... and the pats are down 14-3, this Mojo is NOT doing what I had hoped)

It's a big beer, that is for sure. I recently had Southern Tier Back Burner, which I didn't care for to much... but this takes the sweetness that I did enjoy out of that beer and put it on a platform that suits my style better. I just wish the hops had the fancy tux at this dance. The bottle really summed it up nicely, this beer is what it is. (2,839 characters)

Photo of DefenCorps
3.43/5  rDev -8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

22oz bottle received from the generous Nephilium in the Virgin BIF. Thanks, Marty! I split this with my roommate this afternoon. Poured into my Sam Smith nonic pint

A: Mostly clear copper with some mild particulates floating around. Thin beige head with pretty good retention that leaves a good bit of lacework as it recedes. Solid

S: On the nose, this beer is mostly sweet with some pine hop bitterness. Rather rich with a good bit of caramel and honey-like sweetness. Hop aroma is mostly pine with some citrus/orange

T: On the palate, this beer is rather sweet (again) with the malt dominating. Caramel, honey, brown sugar - all OK in a barleywine but less than ideal in a DIPA. Thankfully, there's enough of a malt backbone to make this appealing even after the hops fade. As you've probably guess, the hops have faded and the little bit of pine and spruce that's present compliments the malt well.

M: Fullish in body with low carbonation that enhances the sweetness of this beer. The finish is a little sweet with some hop character.

D: Average, even though I split this, the sweetness got cloying towards the end. (1,124 characters)

Photo of lpayette
4.26/5  rDev +14.2%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Received in trade as an extra from a very generous iconoklaztor. Bottle claims 200lbs per barrel of american grown barley, and a whopping 37 ounces per barrel of american grown hops. hell yeah.

A- perhaps the only let down of this beer is the appearance due to under-carbonation. The hardest of hard pours produced just under two fingers of head in my tulip. Lacing however abounded, so you can't go wrong with that.

S- so very hoppy. I love it. obviously dry-hopped. it's got some malt sweetness in there too which is a bit of prelude to the taste.

T- As expected, hoppy as hell (or should I say heaven?). The title as listed on BA is very fitting as this being a so-called "Hopwine," but they must have dropped that from the name because I don't see it anywhere on this bottle. It reminds me quite a bit of smuttynose wheat wine... hop profile is very similar, and the malt sweetness has much the same near candy-like characteristic.

M- Could use a bit more carbonation to help cleanse the palate a bit more and add some texture. Would also help the appearance as previously noted. Aftertaste lingers for months.

Drinkability- A very solid offering from New Holland. There are lots of great Imperial IPAs out there these days, and this is one of them. I think this one is just a tad under appreciated. Ranking-wise. (1,322 characters)

Photo of Donnie2112
4.5/5  rDev +20.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

poured this bomber into my Brooklyn Imperial pint glass. The body of the beer is translucent red/amber, the head starts off big and fluggy and fades into a film that leaves notches of lace curtains as the beer is drained down the glass, the only carbonation visible is sourcing from the edge of the glass and the nucleation etches on the floor of the glass

caramel, lots of caramel and brown sugar on the nose with a bit of citric, piney hop back

The overall combination of flavors made me think of a red grapefruit with a hint of sugar. It is an extremely sweet beer that gets cleaned up nicely by a balancing, crisp, piney, citrus rind hop finish.

This is definetly a big beer and the body is quite full, nice moderate carbonation, snappy citric astringence at the end

In my opinion the term "hopwine" is more logical to me then calling this a double IPA. American Barleywine could also be a good name for this one. I have to say I think this is a fantastic beer, it's huge and flavorful it has a nice astringence and the carbonation lend it superior drinkability. Fantastic beer. (1,086 characters)

Photo of HeyItsChili
4.38/5  rDev +17.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

The beer has a beautiful amber-blond shade to it. It has some decent viscosity to it, and leaves a slightly bubbly, slow-slumping film on the inside of my glass.

The aroma is very hoppy, as the name would suggest, with some malt backing it up if not slightly overpowering it. There's a tinge of sweetness intertwining with a kick of alcohol that gives away the 10.5% ABV boasted by this brew.

Texture-wise it is a little creamy, breaking up and thinning out as I twirl it on the end of my tongue.

The flavor starts off buttery sweet, candy/caramel/toffee blending with a powerful backend. One can almost sense the bitter hoppy aftertaste, but before it really kicks your tongue it is brilliantly masked by the other flavors.

This is described as a hopwine, and I think that is an appropriate name as this blends the crisp boldness of a strong IPA with the strength and sweetness of a barley wine.

Summary: Drink this beer if you want a well crafted beer that is unabashedly hoppy, but not obnoxiously so; that's strong and sweet; that's creamy, but not sludgy. (1,066 characters)

Photo of Metalmonk
4.1/5  rDev +9.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

100th review for this beer on BA! Yay for me.

Glowing, glossy rust/sienna immediately indicates some kind of thickness, or big creaminess, as the bubbles are moving in total slo-mo through it, up to a crazy creamy head that dies to a thinner layer of really big bubbles...looks almost like dishsoap after a while. Hmm. Ghostly lace streaks, but not a ton. Everything about this is screaming "Creamy!" so far...even if the flavor sucks, I'm guessing this is a syrupy, thick, buttery and/or creamy wonder of texture. Let's see about that.

But first the nose: Big malt and big hops, intertwined, as it should be with a double IPA. Hops are quite polite, so the malt takes on the presence of thick-ass hella-gooey cookie dough. Alcohol takes on just a bit too much presence in the nose, bringing down the malt/hop wowza just a little.

Oddly, the same kind of thing happens in the flavor. At first a gooey soft-candy sweet maltiness--caramel, toffee, butter, cookie dough--wraps itself around grapefruit-y/rind-like hops. Nice. But then a medicinal presence takes over, lingering into the finish. Luckily, the malt/hop bigness wins out; its gooey, hoppy, malty seduction triumphs.

Is the texture as creamy as predicted? Close. Starts out with perfect thickness, but thins out somewhat. Still, I like the slick, buttery, oily feel here, I just wish the alcohol was incorporated in a more stealthlike manner--the mouthfeel would probably have felt better if the flavor were as fantastic as it should've been.

Although I don't see it anywhere on the bottle, somebody somewhere dubbed this a "Hopwine." It's an apt description, as there are indeed lotsa "hop"; the "wine" could be considered the strong alcoholic part of Existential's personality; but I would throw "bread" in there, due to its doughy-ness. It's pretty close to a barleywine, but its spirit is still very much DIPA. It also reminds of the Bastard family from Stone, same attitude, less control. (1,958 characters)

Photo of steelcutoats
4.37/5  rDev +17.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I got this MONSTER ALE down at the Headkeepers on the way home from dropping off a resume. It's a beast of an IPA...very hoppy, bitter and satisfying. I poured 3/4 of the 22 oz. botlle into a crystal wine glass. The head was almost gone as soon as I returned from returning the bottle to the fridge. The color was a light orange with a twang of gold. The aroma was full of hops and citrus. The taste was lovely. Good and bitter, with a lingering after taste. This is definately a beer to try out! (496 characters)

Photo of Oxymoron
2.56/5  rDev -31.4%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

How do I know if the beer is really here or not? Pours a burnt orange color. Mostly cloudy with a fizzy white head. Does dissipate quickly but some rings around the glass. Limited lacing.

The nose is on par with an East coast DIPA. The hops come out nicely with some citrus and piney. There are some off notes, cat urine specifically, that I usually associate with simcoe hops. The malt is a bit muddle overall with some minor caramel and toffee notes. The yeast has some alcohol and noticeable musty notes.

The taste is similar but the malt comes out more as the hops back off. To start there is a sweet malt flavor that has some off toffee and nutty notes. There is a light honey flavor in the background. There is something I just can't pick out as well, but has a almost wheat characteristic. The hops are not as offensive as the nose but more of a piney flavor mixed with a earthy citrus finish. Good bitterness with some minor astringency. The yeast notes are off as well, with noticeable alcohol and esters, mostly floral.

The body is moderate to full. Some astringency but not over the top. Carbonation is low. Overall this is a disappointment for a DIPA. Muddle notes in the malt and off hop aromas and tastes. Noticeable off yeast characteristics. Sorry, just not very impressive. (1,293 characters)

Photo of mattcrill
3.77/5  rDev +1.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Aroma: Orange juice and citrusy notes lend way to some piney resin aromatics. Sliced candied oranges with some gentle alcohol warming the nose.

Appearance: Very murky and hazy amber pour with a very thin sudsy white head.

Flavor: Good firm carmel base with more pithy citrusy hops to balance. Floral and light grassy hoppiness overlay a nice warming alcohol base. Low fruity esters appear as the beer warms up.

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied with low carbonation. Warms the palate on the way down.

Overall impression: A big, powerful American Barleywine. Too sweet and too much malt character for a double IPA. I would have liked to have seen more carbonation. These big beers from New Holland are notoriously undercarbonated. Disappointing b/c I think this could be a world class beer with a touch more carbonation to open up the aromatics and flavor profile. Probably worth trying once but not much more than that. (914 characters)

Photo of roadhouse
3.54/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 22 oz. bomber into a snifter. I'm not sure this should be categorized as a DIPA, the New Holland rep told me it was a cross between a DIPA and a Barleywine, so maybe it should be an American Strong Ale?

Appears a hazy dark orange color with a thin, less than one centimeter, soapy looking off-white head.

Aroma is sweet and malty with a nice hop bite that reminds me of citrus and a bit of pininess.

Taste is kind of strange actually. It starts out with a malty sweetness then hops take over and make it quite bitter. There is a certain fruitiness to it, but I distinguish any particulars. Bitter, fruity finish lingers on.

Mouthfeel is definitely lacking in the carbonation department. It seems like it's going to be thick but ends up being way too thin.

I was quite disappointed with this one. That usually doesn't happen with New Holland, but oh well. (873 characters)

Photo of BeerBelcher
2.58/5  rDev -30.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

I was not a fan of this one. It was the last beer of the night and I was pretty hopped out by this one. Still, the sweet malty cereal-ness/graininess was an unpleasant surprise. Thought this beer was very unhopped for something called Hopewine...much more wheat wine than DIPA.

This beer poured a cloudy dull amber with a really minimal scummy head. Aroma was pure alcohol esters, which reminded me of rubbing alcohol. Flavor was sweet malty cerealness. Mouthfeel was dry and astringent...almost to the point of burning.

I would be reluctant to recommend this beer. (567 characters)

New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
84 out of 100 based on 137 ratings.