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New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

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BA SCORE
85
very good

142 Ratings
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Ratings: 142
Reviews: 137
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 14.13%
Wants: 9
Gots: 0 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: kirok1999 on 05-16-2007)
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Photo of FtownThrowDown
4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On draft at Glendale Cafe.
Pours a ruby red in color with brownish undertones. Very big on the smell. You can tell right away that this is big beer. Plenty of malt and sweetness in the taste. Followed by some hops to help round it out. Not incredibly complex, but a good beer. Mouthfeel is huge and creamy. Slightly bittering as well.

FtownThrowDown, Jul 19, 2008
Photo of barleywinebrewer
4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

there's always the exception that proves the rule. Noted here as a DIPA, by my glass I'd say EBW meets Wheat Wine - the resulting blend gets mugged by hops and is bottled. I liked it.

A - Dark golden in color, nice thick white head.

S - Rich sweet biscuit malts cut with honey and bouyed with a citric undertone

T - Similar to the aroma but with an underlying sweet toasted grain feel at mid bottle.

M - full bodied, mild to medium carbonated. A warmth to the sip lets you know it's strong and a whomp of a hop glow lends a brashness that's appreciated.

D - Another relax in the evening and enjoy beer.

thanks to hoppymeal for this via the BW BIF 2.

barleywinebrewer, Jul 31, 2007
Photo of WakeandBake
4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz Bottle. A cloudy amber color with a medium offwhite head that stuck around a while. Lots of lacing. Aroma of grapefruit , floral and citrus hops, caramel, underlying fruity notes, hint of bread like notes with some grain. Full bodied with an average carbonation and hint of alcoholic and dry texture. Nice bitter flavor with light to moderate sweetness lots of piny and floral hops with a good malt base to balance things out.. Dry and bitter finish. Very nice .

WakeandBake, Feb 27, 2009
Photo of jjayjaye
4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a slightly hazy orange amber color with about a finger light orange wispy head that resists fading. A good amount of lacing. The smell is wonderful; like a sugary citrus syrup. Adequately carbonated, the mouth feel is rich and heavy. Full flavored, the taste is quite sweet... obviously a ton of malt in there! The 10.5% ABV and the unique hoppy character present themselves well on another level during the swallowing breadth . A real nice drinker. Pops, I'm afraid I'm going to need to consider this one some more. Hope that you'll be up for that. Peace.

jjayjaye, Nov 24, 2007
Photo of RJUGA03
4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A-Midnight black rising carbonated body with a country off white head that held 3/4".
S-Sweet, toasted malts, tad bit of yeast, and fruity.
T-On the draw it was very sweet with slight hop tingle and on the way down it was heavy in the alcohol esters, but yet very smooth.
M-Like syrup initially followed by a dry and hop-laden after-taste.
D- It is extremely drinkable and I am sorry to say that I wasn't at the pub for their stout marinated burger, but it was purchased for me and I love it.

RJUGA03, May 04, 2010
Photo of woodychandler
4.2/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

How do I keep scoring all of these limited releases? It is not by design, I assure you.

The pour produced a finger of ecru head with decent retention. The color was a coppery amber with NE-quality clarity. The nose was resinous with pine-y hops. The mouthfeel was slightly hot with an interesting amalgam of hops and malt. In a moment of quiet introspection, it hit me - Wow, this is a pretty intense concoction! The finish was hot and spicy with hops and it lingered, burning the dead taste buds away. It may take me a while to recover from this bad boy. Whew!

woodychandler, Jun 02, 2008
Photo of SykDoc
4.2/5  rDev +12%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a bomber into a pint glass. It pours a nice copper color that is translucent when held to the light. A 3/4 inch light tan head forms and reduces moderately slowly to a light lacing. Some carbonation and no sediment are noted.

The aroma is an interesting combination of piney hops and a good dose of caramel like malts. I'm also picking up an almost grass-like component.

The taste is quite good to me. There is primarily a caramel malt taste up front with some healthier pine notes following. I'm also getting a bread like taste and although not heavy in multiple flavors, those present are good. Mild alcohol taste at the very end.

This is a medium bodied beer. The carbonation seems almost too light up front but comes on nicely at the finish. There is a bitter finish that feels dry, but is quite good.

Overall, I am impressed with this beer. I like a beer that can combine the hops and malts well and taste good. I think this is a fairly drinkable beer and the alcohol is well hidden, which may make it dangerous to drink a lot of.

SykDoc, May 06, 2009
Photo of adamette
4.2/5  rDev +12%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from notes. Poured from tap at Ballantines in Willoughby during "craft beer night" 1 27 10 into a 10 oz. snifter at a cost of $3.

A Opaque light brown/yellow body udner a nice light brown creamy head. Very good look indeed. 4.5

S Earthy hops with some malt background. Smell is inviting, interesting and more balanced than most barleywines that I have encountered. 4.0

T Big hops presence with a moderate malt presence in a beer with a lot of depth to it. To drink this beer in is to enter into an adventure of taste with earthy bitter hops and warming alcohol with a backdrop of sweet malt. 4.5

M Thick with that great depth that is akin to liquid wheat thins with an earthy, grainy feel. 4.5

D Fair with the huge ABV but repeated sips were easy to do. 3.5

Notes: Really good on tap, especially for the price there at Ballantines.

adamette, Jan 29, 2010
Photo of bditty187
4.18/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Hazy, bronzed peach with a coppery-gold influence, I even see a tickle of amber as well. I like the color. Off-white foam; thick and frothy, at the apex the head was only a half finger tall. However, the head retention was decent as the bubbles steadily faded to a soapy cap (and eventually a thin collar). Subsequent lacing was spotty and not very widespread. Still, overall, this is an attractive looking beer with plenty of color complexities.

The nose shows plenty of sweetness. The loudest aromas are the sweet/sour caramel apple notes, red grapes, raisins, and splash of tropical fruit. Muddled hoppiness, which I don’t care for; the mix of resin, pine, earth, and hints of citrus fight the apple aromas and clash with the caramel malt/brown sugar vibes. The conflict doesn’t work. IMO, the nose is too messy. Nothing standouts. The malt is vocal but it gets shouted out in the end. The more I smell it, the more “sugar” I detect. Moderate potency… the nose doesn’t do much for me. It really isn’t inviting, I’ll call it interesting. EDIT: After about halfway through the bottle the nose lost much of the muddled aromas but a nasty nail polish hotness arrived. No matter how I cut it the nose isn’t working for me.

Wow. Where did this come from? The palate has ample bitterness and a wonderful complex hoppy profile. Earthy undercurrents allow pine, spruce, hints of marijuana resin, and grapefruit rinds to shine. The caramel malt lands firmly in the middle, it is fairly hardy and firm. I am impressed. I’m surprised. The fruitiness is quite subtle and plays nicely with the other flavors. Much more bitter than I was expecting. While the alcohol is noticeable it is not too much. The toffee and brown sugar only add another layer of complexity. Clean ending, which works because there is a large amount of lingering hop flavors and bitterness. Much drier then the nose led on. The palate is really put together. The beer really suits my palate. This is a hoppy barleywine with true flavors of both a DIPA and a Barleywine. Well done!

Medium/medium-full in body, creamy, smooth carbonation; the mouthfeel fits this beer well. The mouthfeel instructs me to sip and savor (as does the palate). Sometimes I get mixed messages. Not so much here. Lovely.

Screw styles. Many DIPAs are damn near a barleywines and hoppy American barleywines are awfully close to a big DIPA. So, this beer bridges some imaginary gap. I’m sure some beer geeks will dislike this beer simply because it is a bastard ale. I for one love it. The aromas concerned me but the palate, mouthfeel, and drinkability shine. Speaking of drinkability, I am enjoying sipping and savoring every ounce. What a nightcap! The mix of bitter hops, rich hop flavors, sweet (but restrained) maltiness, fruitiness, and a clean (think not cloying) finish really makes this beer noteworthy, IMO. I am impressed. Thank you RedHaze!!

bditty187, Jul 09, 2007
Photo of Metalmonk
4.13/5  rDev +10.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

100th review for this beer on BA! Yay for me.

Glowing, glossy rust/sienna immediately indicates some kind of thickness, or big creaminess, as the bubbles are moving in total slo-mo through it, up to a crazy creamy head that dies to a thinner layer of really big bubbles...looks almost like dishsoap after a while. Hmm. Ghostly lace streaks, but not a ton. Everything about this is screaming "Creamy!" so far...even if the flavor sucks, I'm guessing this is a syrupy, thick, buttery and/or creamy wonder of texture. Let's see about that.

But first the nose: Big malt and big hops, intertwined, as it should be with a double IPA. Hops are quite polite, so the malt takes on the presence of thick-ass hella-gooey cookie dough. Alcohol takes on just a bit too much presence in the nose, bringing down the malt/hop wowza just a little.

Oddly, the same kind of thing happens in the flavor. At first a gooey soft-candy sweet maltiness--caramel, toffee, butter, cookie dough--wraps itself around grapefruit-y/rind-like hops. Nice. But then a medicinal presence takes over, lingering into the finish. Luckily, the malt/hop bigness wins out; its gooey, hoppy, malty seduction triumphs.

Is the texture as creamy as predicted? Close. Starts out with perfect thickness, but thins out somewhat. Still, I like the slick, buttery, oily feel here, I just wish the alcohol was incorporated in a more stealthlike manner--the mouthfeel would probably have felt better if the flavor were as fantastic as it should've been.

Although I don't see it anywhere on the bottle, somebody somewhere dubbed this a "Hopwine." It's an apt description, as there are indeed lotsa "hop"; the "wine" could be considered the strong alcoholic part of Existential's personality; but I would throw "bread" in there, due to its doughy-ness. It's pretty close to a barleywine, but its spirit is still very much DIPA. It also reminds of the Bastard family from Stone, same attitude, less control.

Metalmonk, Nov 18, 2008
Photo of mmcave
4.13/5  rDev +10.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Kept this in my fridge for about three months and finally decided to crack it. Big bomber, chilled and poured into nonic. The head rose and fell fast lingers about a centimeter off the surface a nice, slightly creamy white. lacing is faint, but still present. The body is a meld of many colors, looks very much like fossilized amber.
Smell is extremely malty along with a creamy alcohol presence the hops are right up in there though. I get lots of grass and pine with mild touches of citrus. The malt is bready with maybe the faintest note of banana from fermentation, with touches of vanilla from the malt blended with the hops and tones of residual malt sugar, any how big big malt..
Flavor is no different than the smell, big, malty, hoppy and alcoholic. First sip is sweet and flavorful I get maple syrup, with leafy grass notes, bitterness is medium to light, but well perceptible and balanced. The malt and hop blend some how to me create notes of vanilla which is great. Alcohol is present in the taste, but is still very warming subtle and fun. With a bitter sweet lingering finish with residual sugar, this beer reminds me more of a barley wine or a very strong american strong ale than double IPA. Mouthfeel is thick sweet, oily, and syrupy, which I like. Although far from a session beer still very quafable under the right circumstance (winter after a meal). I get the feeling that this would do nicely with some age, just the same it is still fun youngish and I'm sure it was just as interesting brand new.

mmcave, Nov 09, 2007
Photo of trep
4.1/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

22oz bottle into my De Rank stem'd snifter.

Orange honey hue with a 1" thick white head that leaves lacing as it fades. Looks pretty good. Super malty in the nose with a good bit of hops as well. Some alcohol and some citrus notes.

Initially very bitter from the hops, but the malt really comes through later on. Sweet as can be, caramel all the way through. Finishes with a white grape aftertaste.

Thick, syrupy body with low carbonation. Very smooth though, and not overly bitter like I would have suspected. I would say this is more of an english barleywine than double IPA. Pretty easy drinking considering the amount of alcohol, hops, and malt present.

trep, Jun 21, 2007
Photo of robbyc1
4.1/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Definitely, a hopwine, not a double IPA. Spicy hops, deep malt, high abv, this has a nose of alcohol, spices, and maltiness, the hops appear in the taste, backing the malt, pretty good, change the style please, I think it's a good drinker, but a sipper for sure.

robbyc1, Mar 22, 2009
Photo of brewandbbq
4.1/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours clear, dark copper, with a one-inch head of white that disperses quickly. A few dots of lacework and a placid surface remain.

Aromatics are heavy on conifer pine, resinous hops, sap-seeped bark, and alcohol. Fresh cedar pulls through, as well as a hint of cinnamon. Spicy, resinous, and alcoholic.

Medium bodied, slick and syrupy. The carbonation is low and doesn't do the beer justice.

Spruce dew, hop oil, and citrus-spiked alcohol lead off the pallet. Tasting much like a barleywine, with a bit less malt.
Bitterness is firm and sustaining but not over-the-top. Slightly sweet and very resinous.

Finishes with plenty of thinning alcohol and pine-spiked hop oil.

The aromatics could especially benefit from a more lively carbonation level, and the drinkablity would be boosted as well.
Otherwise, a very big and strong IIPA.

I could see this one getting you wrecked.

brewandbbq, Jun 02, 2008
Photo of RedHaze
4.08/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a very cloudy dark caramel brown, with a one finger head that settles slowly to a soapy cap. The lacing is thick and very sticky, leaving large chunks of foam.

Smell; lots of caramel and toffee malts, with some cherries. As expected there's definitely a big hop presence with citrus and floral hops, but there's also a bit of a rubbing alcohol aroma that, while not really all that strong, is enough to detract from the aroma a bit..

Taste; very much hop dominated by the hops, with citrus a little pine and a touch of floral hops, but this also has a very big malt presence. There's caramel, toffee, molasses a little brown sugar and some cherries and dates as well. In the finish there's a spicy alcohol, but that wasn't at all surprising considering the very high ABV.

Mouthfeel is full bodied, almost syrupy, and despite the big alcohol content this goes down surprisingly easy. This tastes more like a hoppy barleywine than a double IPA to me, but who really cares how you classify it. This is a pretty darn good beer regardless. I'm happy to see New Holland try something like this.

RedHaze, Jun 07, 2007
Photo of wharfrat1
4.08/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

From a 22 oz. Bomber bought at Hyde Park Wine & Spirits served in a Duvel tulip glass

A-Orangish hue, almost to a slight amber color. Has a light, inch and a half white head that dissipates relatively quickly. It does leave a fair amount of lace around the glass

S-Dominated upfront by piney notes from the hops, also can get a whiff of the alcohol, which at 10.5% is not surprising. There is some underlying maltiness, but the smell is dominated by the hops.

T-First and what stands out the most is piney, syrupy hops. Not completely overwhelming but definitely dominant. In the middle and towards the end is light,fruity maltiness, and than back to the pine at the end with finish of warming alcohol notes.

M-Has a syrupy feel, with some light carbonation that has some sweetness and alcohol at the end. The syrup is there for the entire ride.

D-This has a nice balance between malt and hops with the hops dominant but not overstaying their welcome. It's a nice sipper but you can taste the alcohol in the finish. Definitely a sipper.

O-A darn tasty brew. I love hops and you get plenty here, but they don't destroy the flavor with too much bitterness. Well balanced with the malt and the alcohol kick. I can see where people see this more as a barleywine. It lacks the overall hop kick that a DIPA would suggest, but again there is plenty of piney, hoppy notes in this brew. I definitely look forward to trying this again!

wharfrat1, Jun 06, 2007
Photo of lonestar4lunch
4.08/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This was outstanding.... I was at the Lake Country Beer festival on Saturday and was lucky enough to try some before it was all gone. (From notes)

Nice sweet aroma with a nice hop touch in the nose. Very crisp with just a touch of hops to start with. I kept getting some fruit, almost like a prune sweetness but it wasn't too much. This was quite smooth and finishes very clean.

Very glad to give this one a try and would for sure recomend!

lonestar4lunch, Jul 06, 2007
Photo of WesWes
4.05/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

The beer pours a dark golden color with a thick frothy offwhite head that slowly fades to lacing. The aroma is good. It has a nice pale, Munich and Bisquit malt scent along with a mild hop aroma. It's a bit breadlike with a light piney hop aroma. The taste is good as well. It has a smooth, malty flavor that is intense and warm in the finish. It's mostly pale malt with a bit of Munich and bisquit for body and complexity. It melds well with the hop flavor which is mild considering there is a hop flower on the bottle. It adds just enough bitterness to balance the high alcohol content. The mouthfeel is fine. It is a full bodied beer with adequate carbonation. This is an interesting beer. It's unlike most double IPAs I've had. It's a regular IPA, just doubled. It's hoppy, but nothing over the top; nothing that really stands out. It's just a normal IPA with an elevated abv.. It's balanced and tastey. I guess I was expecting more, but this is a good beer regardless.

WesWes, Sep 17, 2007
Photo of bruachan
4.05/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

i'm not sure about the mix-up btw this and the other entry. this seems to be the correct one. it's giving me sartrean dread just worrying about it

hazy orange/red. the head is nice enough, despite some heavy alcohol.

bigaromas. i like the designation "hopwine"--hoppy. some caramel/butterscotch aspects to it. despite the size, it's very manageable. the flavor, however, is a real kick in the teeth. super bitter and big on the malt-derived flavors

bruachan, May 29, 2007
Photo of Bighuge
4.05/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Appearance: Tarnished amber/scarlet red. Slightly hazed. Thin off white head. A bubbly collar leaves sporadic patches of lace down the walls of my glass.

Aroma: Nice mix of malt and hops for this beer. It's got the nice caramel and toffeeish malt backbone. But also the resinous, smoky and piney hop aromatics. And some notes that remind me of orange marmalade as well.

Taste/MF: Nice complexitites here, though I'd still like to see some more hop flavors and bitterness for a beer of this style. They call this hop wine and I understand the "wine" part of it due to the noticeable alcohol character. And though the hops are there, and are piney, floral and perfumey, they are not there in the quantity that I like in an Imperial IPA. This is still quite a good beer (much better than the I2PA from Sprecher I had last night). The malts give a nice firm foundation of caramelized fruits and toffeish notes. The alcohol is noticeable, but integrated somewhat nicely given the 10+ octane level of this. Medium bodied and easy flowing.

Drinkability: This is a beer I'd try again. Especially if I saw it on tap. I'd know enough not to expect a hop bomb, but that's o.k. I'll look at this more as a Barleywine or Strong Ale.

Bighuge, Jul 26, 2007
Photo of blitz134
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Slightly cloudy, light caramel body. Small white head on the pour. Reduced to a skim layer with a ring around the edge.

Syrupy sweet with caramel and candy, a touch of raw sugar. A good dose of hops with some pine sap and some floral and citrus hints as well, tropical fruit nuances.

Caramel malty body with a lot of bitterness over the top. The amount of malt balances it well but the hops and carbonation make this crisp and a bit bitter. Pine sap again, some herbal and floral notes. Super hoppy burps bring citrus and other sweet flavors back. A touch of alcohol, but nothing that detracts at all. I kind of agree with others who call this more of a barleywine, but with its hop level I think it falls into the strong ale category given its sugary and malty characteristics.

Mouthfeel is full and a touch syrupy. Coats the mouth and the flavor lingers. Carbonation is there and makes it tingly on the tongue.

This is a good beer throughout. Easy to drink given its size.

blitz134, Jun 08, 2007
Photo of PretzelCity
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to sefus12 for the chance to try this one. Poured out a deep amber, like unfiltered honey, with a fluffy one inch white head that quickly recedes to lacing around the edge of glass. The nose upfront is a hop and malt blend, not like what I expected. It reminds me more of a hoppy barleywine then a DIPA. Whatever it is, I like it. The taste is the same, lots of hops take on a resin quality, well blended with a heavy amount of malt. Sweet and syrupy like honey with a bit of a bite in the finish. Slight alcohol in the finish as well but not enough to be distracting or take away from the beer. Medium body, this beer really coats the mouth and makes it's presence known. Pretty drinkable considering the 10.5% ABV. Hopwine is the perfect name in my opinion. This one seems like it could really hold up well in storage and turn into something interesting.

PretzelCity, Feb 22, 2010
Photo of Brent
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Substantial malt, with brown sugar gravitating toward a syrupy mouthfeel. Loads of hops, green and herbal with some rough saw-tooth edge at the finish. A touch of alchohol fusels lend a sharp punctuation to the back - high abv comes as no surprise here. Solid entry in the DIPA camp.

Brent, Jul 16, 2007
Photo of weeare138
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appears a semi-transparent orange with a small white head. Spotty lacing is left around the glass.
Smell is of pine, citrus, caramel, and toffee.
Taste is of the mentioned aromas with standout roasted nuts, caramel, citrus, and pine.
Mouthfeel is sweet up front with bitter pine needles, and sap sticking to the palate.

weeare138, Sep 10, 2008
Photo of Viggo
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at HopCat in GR.

Pours a clear orange/amber, thin off white head forms, drops to a thin ring and drops a few spots on the glass, looks alright. Smell is nice, very fruity, caramel and brown sugar, alcohol, very malty, floral, big malts and big hops, nothing jumps out but very well balanced. Taste is similar, very malty, some biscuit, caramel and brown sugar, toast, very fruity, apricots, alcohol, nice toasty finish, very balanced. Mouthfeel is medium to full bodied with medium carbonation, bit of warmth going down but the ABV is decently hidden. More of a barleywine than DIPA, and nothing really jumped out, but pretty solid and drinkable stuff.

Viggo, Jul 03, 2009
New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 142 ratings.