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New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

New Holland Existential: HopwineNew Holland Existential: Hopwine

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BA SCORE
85
very good

141 Ratings
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Ratings: 141
Reviews: 137
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 14.13%


Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: kirok1999 on 05-16-2007)
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adamette

Ohio

4.2/5  rDev +12%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from notes. Poured from tap at Ballantines in Willoughby during "craft beer night" 1 27 10 into a 10 oz. snifter at a cost of $3.

A Opaque light brown/yellow body udner a nice light brown creamy head. Very good look indeed. 4.5

S Earthy hops with some malt background. Smell is inviting, interesting and more balanced than most barleywines that I have encountered. 4.0

T Big hops presence with a moderate malt presence in a beer with a lot of depth to it. To drink this beer in is to enter into an adventure of taste with earthy bitter hops and warming alcohol with a backdrop of sweet malt. 4.5

M Thick with that great depth that is akin to liquid wheat thins with an earthy, grainy feel. 4.5

D Fair with the huge ABV but repeated sips were easy to do. 3.5

Notes: Really good on tap, especially for the price there at Ballantines.

Serving type: on-tap

01-29-2010 23:16:05 | More by adamette
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darklordlager

Wisconsin

4.35/5  rDev +16%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Had on-tap at the Muddy Pig in St. Paul on 1/10/09.

A: Pours a light garnet with a thin coating of head. Nothing too impressive.

S: Very sweet aroma--licorice, bubblegum, sweet citrus, caramel.

T: Sweet caramel layers, fading into intense dark fruit. Honey graham cracker, sugar cookie. Sweet citrus from the hops pairs well, hiding the alcohol and blending with the malts nicely.

M: Low-medium carbonation and slightly syrupy body.

D: Great beer from New Holland. The hop profile covers the alcohol like a champ. Well done.

Serving type: on-tap

01-11-2010 02:41:46 | More by darklordlager
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becktone

Ohio

2.6/5  rDev -30.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

From notes 6-20-09

Eye: Terrible head formation and terrible retention, well there is none. Color is amber hued copper. Nice overall. Clarity on this beer is unbelievable, like none that I've ever seen. I mean it diffuses my sight when looked through but I can pick up minute details of what I'm looking at throgh the glass...simply amazing. This is either a great thing or a bad thing. There is some spotty lacing.

Nose: A burst of hops once the cap has been popped but then it quickly fades. Barley any CO2 escapes once the seal is released. Big on hops in the nose, malt is very strong, from about a foot away this thing smells much more like a barley wine. Hops are floral but have very little grapefruit quality to them. Not sure what to make of this. It smells, to me, more like a barley wine. Malt presence is just too forward for a DIPA, that or there aren't enough hops to hide it. Just a bit off for what I'd consider to be correct for the style.

Tongue: Wow, not what I was expecting. Real herbal and grassy, freshly cut herbs and grass, very green taste. Not at all to my liking. Least that the hops are here are much more prevalent than in the aroma. Alcohol is apparent. Maybe a bit piney too. This is just not an IPA for me. It does nothing and I'm thinking that I'm glad I didn't pay for it. Its not well rounded enough. Too angular, almost like its unfinished, it lacks something. It lacks the balance of a malt backbone. I mean there's alcohol and hops and bitterness, not really any malt to compliment either though. Besides I think that the hops that are here don't blend well with the malt that is there, not to mention they only help to showcase the alcohol and to show off their obnoxious selves. Not one for me.

Feel and Drinkability: Medium-heavy on the palate with fine carbonation that works for the beer but in my opinion should be a tad higher. It would give the impression that this is a lighter beer and therefore increase its drinkability. Its not poorly done, its just something that I really don't care for. Everything works together, though I think the end product could use some work, in the end it works out to being okay. I'll drink the rest of it, but thats about it. I won't be coming back to this one.

Serving type: bottle

10-18-2009 21:00:01 | More by becktone
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sweemzander

Illinois

3.65/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

22oz. bottle, split, and poured into an imperial pint glass. No visible bottled date.

(A)- Pours a clear orange amber with a respectable white foamy head, but dissipated rather quickly down to a layer of bubbles. Minimal lacing present.

(S)- Massive pineapple citrus with a laid-back hop and malt aroma. Just huge pineapple juice character with a touch of sugary honey.

(T)- Ample hop and pine presence with obvious pineapple citrus. Sugary sweet honey-lemon fruit and light caramel-ish malt.

(M)- Good carbonation level with ample sugary sweetness with great pineapple. But once again, the sugary sweetness overpowers all the great nuances this beer has to offer.

(D)- Serious sugary sweetness with pineapple and honey. . . . New Holland could be a really great brewery with their High Gravity series, but most, if not all of them are way too sugary sweet; it really ruins what could be superb styles of unique and interesting beers, instead just super sweet/super high abvs.

Serving type: bottle

09-11-2009 23:22:55 | More by sweemzander
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BeerFMAndy

Wisconsin

3.6/5  rDev -4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

22 oz bottle split. Poured into a nonic. 25.5 degrees plato, 10.5% ABV, and no date.

A - Moderately clear, lightly dusted-with-rust orange amber color with teeny suspended particles. A big bone head pops up and lingers for a decent amount of time before dropping to a creamy layer while leaving thick lacing.

S - Strong background notes of hops that are lightly pine with a huge pineapple citrus aroma slightly overshadowed by beefy caramel malts and a hearty, toasty malt aroma that makes the aroma rich and potent. Pretty sweet too.

T - Fruity and floral hops combine in a clashing way with a winning pineapple citrus zest and flavor while the pine is light, it's noticeable. A really sweet sugar cloying flavor is in the background with the rich malts that hold it all in place. Really caramelly malt.

M - Smooth and rich with a really clean finish that goes down well and leaves a really bitter but sweet balance to the mouthfeel.

D - The sweetness is killing this beer in the drinkability category but as a DIPA, its pretty good. It's starting to get old quickly. I have a real problem with how much damn sugar New Holland is putting in the High Gravity series.

Serving type: bottle

09-07-2009 16:42:52 | More by BeerFMAndy
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Tballz420

Minnesota

4.63/5  rDev +23.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Very clear deep amber colored brew, small white bubbly head trails a bit of lace. The scent reminds me more of a barelywine than a IIPA at first blush, fairly large malt presence along with some bitter hops and a bit of dark fruit scents. Same barelywine feel for the taste. Huge malt front, some bitter hops but fairly muted compared to the malt. Spicy alcohol is certainly present. Pretty creamy mouth, and the beer sticks to the mouth.

Yum

Serving type: bottle

07-07-2009 00:49:15 | More by Tballz420
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Viggo

Ontario (Canada)

4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at HopCat in GR.

Pours a clear orange/amber, thin off white head forms, drops to a thin ring and drops a few spots on the glass, looks alright. Smell is nice, very fruity, caramel and brown sugar, alcohol, very malty, floral, big malts and big hops, nothing jumps out but very well balanced. Taste is similar, very malty, some biscuit, caramel and brown sugar, toast, very fruity, apricots, alcohol, nice toasty finish, very balanced. Mouthfeel is medium to full bodied with medium carbonation, bit of warmth going down but the ABV is decently hidden. More of a barleywine than DIPA, and nothing really jumped out, but pretty solid and drinkable stuff.

Serving type: on-tap

07-03-2009 18:21:34 | More by Viggo
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grub

Ontario (Canada)

3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

sampled on tap at hopcat june 13/09.

pours deep reddish orange with a small fine off-white head. the head drops fast and leaves lots of spotty lace behind.

aroma is good. big malty base - biscuit, multi-grain bread, rye and caraway. bit earthy and woody. slightly herbal. light alcohol.

taste is good. again, tons of malt to start things off. biscuit. multi-grain bread. caraway rye. light cracker. bit of toast. light caramel. earthy and woody. medium-high bitterness level. some citrusy and slightly floral hops. maybe a touch of smoke too.

mouthfeel is good. nice big body. medium carbonation level.

drinkability is good. the alcohol is hidden very well by the big malt presence and the bitterness. this feels like it's more in barleywine territory than DIPA, but regardless of what you choose to call it, it's still good.

Serving type: on-tap

06-30-2009 23:13:17 | More by grub
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clayrock81

Virginia

4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a light brown body with lace patches and a frothy one-fingerh ead. Something akin to grape skin along with faint citric for a juicy hop smell as well as a little caramelized malt sweetness. Smooth, creamy, sweet with good malt base and the ABV complements the beer as it adds a little spice and kick to the leafy, citric hops. Medium-bodied beer that is balanced, albeit slightly sticky, that is easy to drink from sweet hoppy flavors and has a nice dry backbite that is also crisp. Watch out as this can be killed quickly and it catches up with you.

Serving type: on-tap

06-29-2009 15:51:52 | More by clayrock81
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chicagobeerriot

Illinois

2.68/5  rDev -28.5%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Poured from bottle into tulip glass. Pours light copper with a slowly developing (but rapidly dissipating) white head. Dissapointingly little hop complexity on the nose which is the first hint of an overall theme. The flavor starts with the sweetness of the malt which provides a solid backbone, preparing you for the expected hop balance. Unfortunately, the briefly pleasant pine and caramel combo is rapidly clubbed into submission by a one-note hop bitterness and a level of alcohol that is completely out of balance with its surroundings(this is from someone who loves a good high abv barleywine or imperial stout). While the hops manifest themselves in the bitter aftertaste, I get virtually none of the citrus or floral complexity that I was looking forward to. Overall, this was a big swing-and-a-miss from a brewery that hits its fair share of home runs.

Serving type: bottle

06-09-2009 01:04:34 | More by chicagobeerriot
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Sammy

Ontario (Canada)

3.48/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Bottle from Whole Foods, Cleveland Heights. A strange IPA, commercial description more of barleywine. Bitter IPA mostly, highly carbonated, below average moutfeel. Light orange colour. A little spicy, bready. Drinkable, though not that drinkable,OK as an IPA. A bit of hop aroma.Not all that much flavour for all that a.b.v.

Serving type: bottle

05-24-2009 04:44:21 | More by Sammy
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projectflam86

Ohio

2.98/5  rDev -20.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A- Pours a deep amber toffee color with a thick creamy beige head that leaves nice lacing.

S- Roasted malt and caramel make up the nose with a barely noticeable hop profile in the background.

T- Some initial hop bitterness that give rise to a rich roasted sweet malt flavor. A light grain and yeast sweetness comes through with caramel and earthy tastes. The hop flavor was not as developed as I was hoping for from a brew called a 'Hopwine' but it was present nonetheless. Alcohol is fairly present and easily noticeable.

M- Medium/full body with am ok amount of carbonation.

D- Not a bad brew but much more in the Barleywine category than a DIPA to me.

Serving type: bottle

05-19-2009 04:55:02 | More by projectflam86
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SykDoc

Wisconsin

4.2/5  rDev +12%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a bomber into a pint glass. It pours a nice copper color that is translucent when held to the light. A 3/4 inch light tan head forms and reduces moderately slowly to a light lacing. Some carbonation and no sediment are noted.

The aroma is an interesting combination of piney hops and a good dose of caramel like malts. I'm also picking up an almost grass-like component.

The taste is quite good to me. There is primarily a caramel malt taste up front with some healthier pine notes following. I'm also getting a bread like taste and although not heavy in multiple flavors, those present are good. Mild alcohol taste at the very end.

This is a medium bodied beer. The carbonation seems almost too light up front but comes on nicely at the finish. There is a bitter finish that feels dry, but is quite good.

Overall, I am impressed with this beer. I like a beer that can combine the hops and malts well and taste good. I think this is a fairly drinkable beer and the alcohol is well hidden, which may make it dangerous to drink a lot of.

Serving type: bottle

05-06-2009 00:08:24 | More by SykDoc
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kmeves

Wisconsin

3/5  rDev -20%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a thick deep amber brown with a almost nonexistent medium beige head. Aroma is medium sweet, heavy caramel, floral, bread and light grapefruit. Flavor is bread, pine, grapefruit, some orange, light grape and more caramel. Sticky texture, full body. Alcohol somewhat apparent.

Serving type: bottle

04-07-2009 14:11:07 | More by kmeves
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sarahspat

Illinois

4.45/5  rDev +18.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bright cloudy orange with a deep, thick looking orange sherbet colored head.

Smells mostly of caramel and pineapple. Very strong, deep scents. Not too complex, but it smells delicious. Reminds me of Devil Dancer.

Like the nose, the taste is not overly complex. However, there is a lot of a few good things going on here. Namely, caramel malt, and piney, earthy hops. If I had never had Devil Dancer, this Existential might have completely blown my mind; it could pass for a (slightly) tamer version of Devil Dancer. But if you take it by itself, this is a phenomenally well done beer. It's well-balanced, but packed with flavor, both hops and malt. Maybe leaning a bit more towards the malty side. The mouthfeel is thick and chewy with enough carbonation to go around.

This brew is DELICIOUS. There is no sign of alcohol on the palate, which is just a little bit crazy for a beer with an ABV like this. Existential Ale is dangerously easy to put back.

I have been wanting to try this beer for over a year now because of its name (double major in Philosophy and Russian Studies here). But it took me a while to get around to it because I heard some bad things about it from someone (I don't even remember who it was now). After trying it for myself, I have now reached the conclusion that this beer is vastly underrated. It's become an instant favorite of mine.

Serving type: bottle

04-05-2009 00:31:18 | More by sarahspat
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beer2day

North Carolina

3.95/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours copper with virtually no head. Leaves behind decent lacing, though.

Nose is very bold, with flowery hops dominating for me. Ordinarily this would rate higher for me, but there's a mild wet laundry smell there dragging me back down.

Very chewy. Lots of body and you can practically feel the hops in the thickness of this. Starts thick, turns flowery hop bitter, and finishes well.

Serving type: bottle

04-02-2009 00:31:09 | More by beer2day
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LilBeerDoctor

New York

3.28/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bottle thanks to mreusch. Pours a cloudy light brown with a small white head. Aroma of sweet caramel malt, raisin, alcohol and perhaps a touch of citrus. Flavor is mostly sweet caramel, with a touch of stale wheat malt, and a bitter finish. The alcohol slowly makes its presence as you continue to drink. I liked this at first, but it really wore on me.
6/4/7/3/13 (3.3/5)

Serving type: bottle

03-31-2009 02:55:43 | More by LilBeerDoctor
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jeremyd365

Michigan

3.05/5  rDev -18.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Advertised as "Existential Ale": Poured a golden coppery with a white head. Smelled for a strange fruity-malty-hoppiness and also tasted of a strange blend that I wasn't too fond of. I don't know exactly what I didn't like, but perhaps it was the type of hops used or the other spices involved. It was strange nonetheless, but with a decent mouthfeel being about medium. The drinkability would have been fine had I liked the flavor. It just wasn't my cup of tea, but I guess others should try it for themselves.

Serving type: on-tap

03-23-2009 01:11:44 | More by jeremyd365
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robbyc1

Illinois

4.1/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Definitely, a hopwine, not a double IPA. Spicy hops, deep malt, high abv, this has a nose of alcohol, spices, and maltiness, the hops appear in the taste, backing the malt, pretty good, change the style please, I think it's a good drinker, but a sipper for sure.

Serving type: bottle

03-22-2009 18:05:59 | More by robbyc1
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WakeandBake

Michigan

4.22/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz Bottle. A cloudy amber color with a medium offwhite head that stuck around a while. Lots of lacing. Aroma of grapefruit , floral and citrus hops, caramel, underlying fruity notes, hint of bread like notes with some grain. Full bodied with an average carbonation and hint of alcoholic and dry texture. Nice bitter flavor with light to moderate sweetness lots of piny and floral hops with a good malt base to balance things out.. Dry and bitter finish. Very nice .

Serving type: bottle

02-27-2009 01:18:16 | More by WakeandBake
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johnmichaelsen

Oregon

3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On tap at UJ's on the Manatawny last weekend.

The beer pours a copper amber color with decent head retention and lacing. The nose is pretty sweet and malty on this beer, but with a good lick of noticeable hoppy bitterness as well. Still, this beer smells as if it will be pretty sweet. As expected, this beer comes across as a fairly high alcohol IPA, but with a particular sweet and malty base. There is enough hops to keep it from tasting too sweet, but the beer is noticeable boozy and a bit heavy. The beer does have a pretty nice mouthfeel, and is smooth and long on the finish. However, alcohol is a bit over the top and hurts the beer's drinkability just a bit.

This is a still a solid beer, though I confess I'd like it even more if it had a bit less sweet malt and alcohol, and bit more hoppy bitterness to counter it.

Serving type: on-tap

02-25-2009 19:59:50 | More by johnmichaelsen
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BierFan

Michigan

3.53/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

No freshness date. Poured from a 22 ounce brown bottle into a pint glass.

Appearance: Hazy dark orange body with an almost nonexistant light tan head and no carbonation.

Smell: Has the same creamy vanilla smell that other New Holland high gravity beers have, most likely because they all use the same yeast. Citrus hop aroma and a little alcohol bite are in the background.

Taste: Rich and creamy. Bitterness and citrus peel are in the finish. The alcohol is noticeable but not as much as some other reviews make it seem.

This is more of a barleywine or strong ale than a DIPA.

Serving type: bottle

02-04-2009 17:32:40 | More by BierFan
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GatorBeerNerd

Georgia

3.33/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22 oz bottle bought for me at Jungle Jim's by a friend of mine. Poured into a Sierra Nevada Hop Tulip.

A: Pours a light copper color with a very minimal amount of head that consists of very large bubbles. The bubbles leave a decent amount of lacing.

S: A bit of an odd aroma. It has a boozy aroma like a fresh barleywine, but it has quite a bit of hops in the aroma as well. There is some caramel malt hiding in there as well.

T: Quite a bit of caramel malt sweetness which surprises me a bit based on the aroma. The boozy kick is certainly there as well. The hops are more muted in the taste than I expected from the aroma. The boozy finish is not that appealing to me. This one seems like it can't decide if it wants to be an IPA or a barleywine.

M: Medium body with excellent in mouth carbonation that makes it taste creamy. The mouth is left a bit slick like happens often with the style. The feel is the most enjoyable aspect of this one for me.

D: The boozy kick and after taste make this one a bit of a sipper for me.

Serving type: bottle

01-22-2009 02:12:50 | More by GatorBeerNerd
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maximum12

Minnesota

3.68/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

After an evening that included a Surly Furious & Wild Dog Gonzo, I needed something that would cut through the palate clutter like a laser. Hoo boy. This certainly fit the bill. And what's a hopwine?

For certain, this is a unique beer, which gets it points from the stink-go. The nose is unremarkable, alcohol with a bit of hops, but the taste is where this is at. I tend to favor my IIPAs as hops bombs - balance? it's a IIPA, screw balance! - but this one goes the opposite direction. The hops are present & saying the pledge, but the malts aren't balancing, they're screaming for attention & being hauled off to detention. If you're going to fuck up an IIPA by using malt, go deep! I like it.

Drinkability is high if you want to wake up sprawled out naked on your deck. Otherwise, imbibe with caution.

Good brew. New Holland is doing some good things, some I appreciate, some not so much, but tip-o-the-cap for the effort.

Serving type: bottle

01-18-2009 04:25:46 | More by maximum12
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SaCkErZ9

Florida

3.13/5  rDev -16.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a slightly hazy burnt brown color with a very small and unsubstantial white head. Leaves pox on top of the beer like stirred up kool-aid.

Aroma is slightly hoppy and alcoholic. Plenty of maltiness to aid the hops and present a semblance of balance. Still, the beer leans toward alcohol and sweetness and maltiness.

Very hoppy and fruity and quite sweet up front followed by bitterness and a very clear alcohol bite. More fruit and caramel goodness in the finish.

Perhaps it is me, but I am growing tired of these DIPAs with way too much malt (read sweetness). I am looking for that hop explosion in bitterness in a DIPA. That is rare these days. This was okay but I grow weary of the same thing over and over.

Serving type: bottle

01-13-2009 02:04:50 | More by SaCkErZ9
New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 141 ratings.