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New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

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New Holland Existential: HopwineNew Holland Existential: Hopwine

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137 Reviews
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Reviews: 137
Hads: 142
Avg: 3.83
pDev: 13.58%
Wants: 9
Gots: 0 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: alexgash on 01-04-2007

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Reviews: 137 | Hads: 142
Photo of Westsidethreat
3.26/5  rDev -14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Hate to say its amber…but it is. Really, simply, amber. The head is quite stunning; thick and creamy, looking like whipped butter perched on top of the brew.

S: Bubble gum, soap, caramel, butterscotch.

T: Begins sweet, almost cloying. Really malty, lot of caramel and butterscotch. Where the hell are the hops? It you put a hop on the bottle, you better have some hops in the beer. There’s a little bit around the tip of the tongue with a nip of bitterness, but not enough. Moves to a buttery trend wit minor apple and tropical sweetness.

M: Medium body and syrupy.

D: This in one boring beer. Not bad but quite boring. Seriously, listed as a double IPA? Don't you have to be an IPA before you can be listed as a double?

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Photo of LilBeerDoctor
3.26/5  rDev -14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bottle thanks to mreusch. Pours a cloudy light brown with a small white head. Aroma of sweet caramel malt, raisin, alcohol and perhaps a touch of citrus. Flavor is mostly sweet caramel, with a touch of stale wheat malt, and a bitter finish. The alcohol slowly makes its presence as you continue to drink. I liked this at first, but it really wore on me.
6/4/7/3/13 (3.3/5)

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Photo of saintwarrick
3.27/5  rDev -14.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

New Holland's year round brews impress me a lot more than their one shots for some reason, and this one follows that trend. This brew pours a nice orangey amber, but almost no head appears in a late-forming head. Smell is slightly hoppy, some rubbing alcohol with some citrus and honey thrown in. Not quite as overwhelming with the pine or citrus like most DIPAs. Taste is slightly sweet with a honey-like flavor, quickly followed with some burnt orange and pine syrupy aftertaste that lends a little bitterness.

Malts are there, but there's not much that makes this brew balanced. You're better off with their superior Mad Hatter than this brew, which needs more than a few tweaks to the formula.

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Photo of Onibubba
3.28/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Went in to this one thinking straight up DIPA. Dark amber pour, not as dark as 90 Minute or Stone 10th, but darker than a Ruination. Short beige head that doesn't stick around long. Nice smell, but not the overpowering hop bomb I was expecting - Much more subtle. There is a real balance of sweetness versus the hop bitterness, but from a beer with a huge "bud" artfully screened onto the bottle, balance is not what I wanted. Hops seem more resiny than citrusy in this one.

Mouthfeel and drinkability are OK. Carbonation is light, and this just slides down your throat, but the alcohol stops it from being a sipper. All and all, not a bad beer, but in a field of exceptional beers, you really need to stand out more. Not a repeat purchase.

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Photo of Bierguy5
3.35/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

22 oz. bottle, 10.5 % ABV. Hazy copper color, with an off-white foamy head. Good retention for the size of the beer.

Nose is full of alcohol, fruits, including peaches, pine, and candy.

Malt jumps out at the front. Sticky, sweet caramel, seems to be cloying. The malt character seems to be pretty muddy, and overtakes things a bit. Not a great deal of hop bitterness or flavor. Fades into an earthy and dirty flavor.

Some warming from the alcohol. Medium body. Something just doesn't seem right. Seems a bit cloying.

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Photo of GatorBeerNerd
3.35/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22 oz bottle bought for me at Jungle Jim's by a friend of mine. Poured into a Sierra Nevada Hop Tulip.

A: Pours a light copper color with a very minimal amount of head that consists of very large bubbles. The bubbles leave a decent amount of lacing.

S: A bit of an odd aroma. It has a boozy aroma like a fresh barleywine, but it has quite a bit of hops in the aroma as well. There is some caramel malt hiding in there as well.

T: Quite a bit of caramel malt sweetness which surprises me a bit based on the aroma. The boozy kick is certainly there as well. The hops are more muted in the taste than I expected from the aroma. The boozy finish is not that appealing to me. This one seems like it can't decide if it wants to be an IPA or a barleywine.

M: Medium body with excellent in mouth carbonation that makes it taste creamy. The mouth is left a bit slick like happens often with the style. The feel is the most enjoyable aspect of this one for me.

D: The boozy kick and after taste make this one a bit of a sipper for me.

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Photo of brewdlyhooked13
3.36/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3

Appearance - pours a slightly hazed tangerine color, a finger or so of cream colored foam on top. Very sticky as it recedes, leaving a lacy, drapy network of residue behind. As the beer sets up, the load of bubbles rising from pour turbulence is a thing of beauty. It rolls and weaves below the surface, lazily gathering the mass of suds for the under-head, finally condensing its effort into a solid mass. not the best head retention, but I dig the look otherwise.

Aroma - a very sweet, hoppy, fresh barleywine aroma. Peels back after a minute, leaving a sweet, orange jiuce or peach juice smell.

Taste - a full, caramel, sweet grain base, quickly followed by a syrupy mix of pineapple-like hops, sugar, and alcohol heat. The hops turn a little medicinal and the alcohol makes this a little too hot for ideal enjoyment. Any thoughts of cellaring to quell that would surely wipe out any advantageous hop flavors.

Mouthfeel - heavy and think on first sip, the beer glides like oil over the palate. Carbonation is kept well in check.

Drinkability - not something I'd go for other than posterity's sake.

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Photo of ckeegan04
3.39/5  rDev -11.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - Crystal clear orange. Thin wispy off-white head with lots of bubbles. Quickly fades to nothing. Leaves very little lacing.

S - Citrusy hop aroma, lots of grapefruit. A little boozy. Faint sweetness with hints of caramel.

T - Caramel sweetness that is very overwhelming. Citrusy hoppiness comes through quickly with a moderate bitterness. Far too sweet for a good DIPA.

M - Good carbonation and very oily. Not sure where the oiliness comes from because there is little in the way of mouth coating hop resins.

D - Sippable but taste is not great. Alcohol is present but not overwhelming making it easy drinking.

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Photo of DefenCorps
3.43/5  rDev -10.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

22oz bottle received from the generous Nephilium in the Virgin BIF. Thanks, Marty! I split this with my roommate this afternoon. Poured into my Sam Smith nonic pint

A: Mostly clear copper with some mild particulates floating around. Thin beige head with pretty good retention that leaves a good bit of lacework as it recedes. Solid

S: On the nose, this beer is mostly sweet with some pine hop bitterness. Rather rich with a good bit of caramel and honey-like sweetness. Hop aroma is mostly pine with some citrus/orange

T: On the palate, this beer is rather sweet (again) with the malt dominating. Caramel, honey, brown sugar - all OK in a barleywine but less than ideal in a DIPA. Thankfully, there's enough of a malt backbone to make this appealing even after the hops fade. As you've probably guess, the hops have faded and the little bit of pine and spruce that's present compliments the malt well.

M: Fullish in body with low carbonation that enhances the sweetness of this beer. The finish is a little sweet with some hop character.

D: Average, even though I split this, the sweetness got cloying towards the end.

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Photo of Sammy
3.48/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Bottle from Whole Foods, Cleveland Heights. A strange IPA, commercial description more of barleywine. Bitter IPA mostly, highly carbonated, below average moutfeel. Light orange colour. A little spicy, bready. Drinkable, though not that drinkable,OK as an IPA. A bit of hop aroma.Not all that much flavour for all that a.b.v.

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Photo of wingman14
3.48/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours a nice medium orange with a small white head that fades fast. Smell is very sweet and hoppy up front, some floral and citrus undertones as well. The taste follows suit, starts sweet and hoppy, the hops are not as strong as I would have thought. The sweetness drives this beer. The beer then moves to a weird sweet taste, the has a slight hop aftertaste followed by some alcohol overtones. The mouthfeel is smooth, medium body, the sweetness gets stronger and quite potent. This on is not the easiest drinker considering the sweetness and high ABV, it is an interesting brew that is worth checking out.

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Photo of GbVDave
3.48/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Served in a mini pint at New Holland 2/3/07. Thanks to Killer for the assist!

A: Intersting cloudy golden brown. Almost like unfiltered apple cider. Creamy head like frothed milk. Major lace.

S: Restrained aromas of baked apples, caramel malt, and a whiff of alcohol.

T: Flavors of toffee and caramel. Sweet. Fortunately the sweetness is brought down by a big bitter finish. Alcohol is not hidden whatsoever.

M: Oily and full bodied. Coats the mouth like latex paint.

D: This is not a drinker, hell for me, it's hardly a sipper. It's bitter but it seems to be missing a cohesive hop flavor. Maybe they'll tinker with this and make some improvements.

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Photo of oberon
3.49/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured into an oversized wine glass a clear deep bronze/burnt orange with a large tight pillowey slight off white head that settled slowly leaving a nice ring around the glass.Wow very mild aromas for the style and tame for such a big beer I pick up some brown sugar and dark fruit with the hops being faint in a piney form.Flavors to me are no where near a American DIP to me its kind of in the English Barley Wine style with its big juicy maltiness but the hop presence in the finish makes me think American Barley Wine but not DIPA.Starts out very sweet like honey,brown sugar and alcohol dipped dark fruit not quite cloying but close,a drying resiny,piney hop lingers in the finish.If you were to categorize this as an American Barley Wine I would say okay I can see it but not DIPA.

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Photo of kirok1999
3.5/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Strange brew, do what's inside of you. Something wrong here or I just don't get it.
Pours a dark ruddy copper with absolutely no head at all. If I had poured it harder I would have thumped it on the bottom like a bottle of catsup. The best I could get was a very thin topping of white foam that fled immediately.
Smells sweet, caramel, citrus hops, slight dark fruit. Alcohol is well hidden behind the dark sweetness.
Tastes very nice, almost like a Double Bastard but the lack of carbonation makes it very strange.
If I had brewed this I would have said, "Shit, it didn't carbonate" and added some more priming sugar or yeast and waited another month or so.
I'm happy to add this brew and hope others can revive its rating if they get a carbonated bottle as it should be very good if properly carbonated.
I can't imagine New Holland would put out an uncarbonated beer so I guess this bottle is flawed in some way. I'll try again when I find another one.

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Photo of KarlHungus
3.53/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This brew pours a hazy amber color. With a one inch head that recedes into nice lacing. The aroma is of grape fruit, passion fruit, with a strong underlying caramel sweetness. The taste is very sweet considering this is a DIPA. It is clear that this beer is very bitter, but its bitterness is overpowered by its sweetness. The mouthfeel is full bodied with nice carbonation. Overall, this is a decent beer, but there are so many better DIPAs out there that I cannot see myself buying this again.

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Photo of david131
3.53/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A- Slightly cloudy, copper color with a few streams of rising carbonation that give way to a splotchy white head.

S- A lot of sweet candy, which was a little odd but very appealing. I also get some caramel and some vegetable hop aroma. Kind of subtle, but enjoyable none-the-less.

T- Very sweet and candy like with a slight vegetable aspect. The alcohol is also apparent, but isn't overly hot. There is somewhat of a malt backing keeping things from getting out of control.

M- Smooth and sweet and a little thick and sticky.

D- Not the best DIPA I have had, but is a unique beer and worth a try. A very sweet and interesting brew.

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Photo of roadhouse
3.54/5  rDev -7.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 22 oz. bomber into a snifter. I'm not sure this should be categorized as a DIPA, the New Holland rep told me it was a cross between a DIPA and a Barleywine, so maybe it should be an American Strong Ale?

Appears a hazy dark orange color with a thin, less than one centimeter, soapy looking off-white head.

Aroma is sweet and malty with a nice hop bite that reminds me of citrus and a bit of pininess.

Taste is kind of strange actually. It starts out with a malty sweetness then hops take over and make it quite bitter. There is a certain fruitiness to it, but I distinguish any particulars. Bitter, fruity finish lingers on.

Mouthfeel is definitely lacking in the carbonation department. It seems like it's going to be thick but ends up being way too thin.

I was quite disappointed with this one. That usually doesn't happen with New Holland, but oh well.

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Photo of CaptainIPA
3.54/5  rDev -7.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Served on-tap in a tulip glass @ Sugar Maple on 5-22-08.

Pours a dark, rusty amber with glints of ruby. Reveals a thin, pitted head rimmed with bubbles. Magnificent lacing.

Toasted caramel nose with virtually no hints of hops.

Taste profile mirrors the aroma: caramel and lots of it. Warms quickly from the apparent (yet, well-concealed) rush of alcohol. Well-balanced, though skews malts. Whoa, it's an Imperial alright. Not very sessionable.

The perfect ale to drink while pondering boredom, alienation and absurdity. Or, nothing at all.

What Kierkegaard and Nietzsche would have sipped if they were drinking buddies.

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Photo of BierFan
3.55/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

No freshness date. Poured from a 22 ounce brown bottle into a pint glass.

Appearance: Hazy dark orange body with an almost nonexistant light tan head and no carbonation.

Smell: Has the same creamy vanilla smell that other New Holland high gravity beers have, most likely because they all use the same yeast. Citrus hop aroma and a little alcohol bite are in the background.

Taste: Rich and creamy. Bitterness and citrus peel are in the finish. The alcohol is noticeable but not as much as some other reviews make it seem.

This is more of a barleywine or strong ale than a DIPA.

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Photo of TheHoppiest
3.58/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 22 oz bottle into an oversized wine glass. Pours a beautiful ruby-amber with minimal bubbly soapy white head. There's a decent amount of sediment at the bottom of the bottle.

Smell is intense, yeasty, boozy; like a barleywine gone mad. No real hop presence in the smell.

Taste is smoother than it smells; leather, oak, and leafy tastes start it out; followed by a malty yeastiness simmering in woody alcohol; ending with a faint hop echo toward the back of the mouth. As I drink more, some honey and floral notes also present.

Mouthfeel is thick, almost buttery, with a bit of sharpness.

Drinkable? Well, hard to say. I've got 22 oz to go through, and I kind of wish it was 12, so I guess that answers that.

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Photo of joe1510
3.58/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22oz Bomber
Binny's Willowbrook

Existential Ale: Hopwine pours amber but glows a slightly hazy copper when held to the light.A nice dense two finger ivory head formed on the pour and as it fell left excellent lacing. The lowest the head fell was a half-finger cap. Good looking brew.

Smell is fairly mild. A big nose of caramel upfront and following through. Maybe even a hint of toffee. Grapefruit and a drop of orange come around in the middle. Tea leaf-like herbal hoppiness mixes in the aroma as well. Not bad but subdued for a "Hopwine".

Flavor begins with that very same caramel backbone that is strong upfront but fades as the hops come about. Some toffee in the flavor as well but the backend focuses on hops, mild but hops none-the-less. Tea leaf like hop bitterness along with just a squeeze or two of citrus on the finish. Good but not very exciting.

Good mouthfeel. The body is medium with a creamy frothiness that slides along rather easily. Carbonation is on the low side but works nicely.

The mouthfeel definately helps the drinkability but unfortuanately the smell and flavor drag it down. Not at all bad but nothing really stands out.

I was expecting something more from a so called "hopwine" but it didn't quite deliver. Actually it was a little low on the hops, the problem is, all I wanted was hops, that's why I bought a hopwine. A little less decieving of a name would make for a better brew.

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Photo of GRPunk
3.6/5  rDev -6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

On cask, poured into a tulip glass.

A- It poured a hazy gold color with a 1/2 finger off-white head that turned into a full lace that clung nicely to the side of the glass.

S- Initially it had a big hoppy pine scent. Later on I picked up some grain and alcohol aromas.

T- There were some sweet malts up front followed by a hoppy bite. It was even a little fruity later on. It was a bit boozy with a sort of branyish flavor.

M- It was thick and smooth with a lot of bite from the hops and alcohol.

D- It's definitely a sipper. Even at 10.5% ABV, I thought it could be a better drinker and the booze could have been better hidden.

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Photo of Duster72
3.61/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a amber brown color with a very thin off white head. Aroma is sugary malts with a definite hint of rubber (very strange, I know). Taste is dark fruits, sugar, and very bitter hops. Very bitter finish but certainly drinkable. Interesting DIPA, not the best, but interesting.

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Photo of BeerFMAndy
3.63/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

22 oz bottle split. Poured into a nonic. 25.5 degrees plato, 10.5% ABV, and no date.

A - Moderately clear, lightly dusted-with-rust orange amber color with teeny suspended particles. A big bone head pops up and lingers for a decent amount of time before dropping to a creamy layer while leaving thick lacing.

S - Strong background notes of hops that are lightly pine with a huge pineapple citrus aroma slightly overshadowed by beefy caramel malts and a hearty, toasty malt aroma that makes the aroma rich and potent. Pretty sweet too.

T - Fruity and floral hops combine in a clashing way with a winning pineapple citrus zest and flavor while the pine is light, it's noticeable. A really sweet sugar cloying flavor is in the background with the rich malts that hold it all in place. Really caramelly malt.

M - Smooth and rich with a really clean finish that goes down well and leaves a really bitter but sweet balance to the mouthfeel.

D - The sweetness is killing this beer in the drinkability category but as a DIPA, its pretty good. It's starting to get old quickly. I have a real problem with how much damn sugar New Holland is putting in the High Gravity series.

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Photo of maximum12
3.63/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

After an evening that included a Surly Furious & Wild Dog Gonzo, I needed something that would cut through the palate clutter like a laser. Hoo boy. This certainly fit the bill. And what's a hopwine?

For certain, this is a unique beer, which gets it points from the stink-go. The nose is unremarkable, alcohol with a bit of hops, but the taste is where this is at. I tend to favor my IIPAs as hops bombs - balance? it's a IIPA, screw balance! - but this one goes the opposite direction. The hops are present & saying the pledge, but the malts aren't balancing, they're screaming for attention & being hauled off to detention. If you're going to fuck up an IIPA by using malt, go deep! I like it.

Drinkability is high if you want to wake up sprawled out naked on your deck. Otherwise, imbibe with caution.

Good brew. New Holland is doing some good things, some I appreciate, some not so much, but tip-o-the-cap for the effort.

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New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
86 out of 100 based on 137 ratings.