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New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

New Holland Existential: HopwineNew Holland Existential: Hopwine

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BA SCORE
85
very good

141 Ratings
THE BROS
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Ratings: 141
Reviews: 137
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 14.13%


Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: kirok1999 on 05-16-2007)
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Donnie2112

Alaska

4.53/5  rDev +20.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

poured this bomber into my Brooklyn Imperial pint glass. The body of the beer is translucent red/amber, the head starts off big and fluggy and fades into a film that leaves notches of lace curtains as the beer is drained down the glass, the only carbonation visible is sourcing from the edge of the glass and the nucleation etches on the floor of the glass

caramel, lots of caramel and brown sugar on the nose with a bit of citric, piney hop back

The overall combination of flavors made me think of a red grapefruit with a hint of sugar. It is an extremely sweet beer that gets cleaned up nicely by a balancing, crisp, piney, citrus rind hop finish.

This is definetly a big beer and the body is quite full, nice moderate carbonation, snappy citric astringence at the end

In my opinion the term "hopwine" is more logical to me then calling this a double IPA. American Barleywine could also be a good name for this one. I have to say I think this is a fantastic beer, it's huge and flavorful it has a nice astringence and the carbonation lend it superior drinkability. Fantastic beer.

Serving type: bottle

11-21-2008 04:33:51 | More by Donnie2112
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HeyItsChili

China

4.4/5  rDev +17.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

The beer has a beautiful amber-blond shade to it. It has some decent viscosity to it, and leaves a slightly bubbly, slow-slumping film on the inside of my glass.

The aroma is very hoppy, as the name would suggest, with some malt backing it up if not slightly overpowering it. There's a tinge of sweetness intertwining with a kick of alcohol that gives away the 10.5% ABV boasted by this brew.

Texture-wise it is a little creamy, breaking up and thinning out as I twirl it on the end of my tongue.

The flavor starts off buttery sweet, candy/caramel/toffee blending with a powerful backend. One can almost sense the bitter hoppy aftertaste, but before it really kicks your tongue it is brilliantly masked by the other flavors.

This is described as a hopwine, and I think that is an appropriate name as this blends the crisp boldness of a strong IPA with the strength and sweetness of a barley wine.

Summary: Drink this beer if you want a well crafted beer that is unabashedly hoppy, but not obnoxiously so; that's strong and sweet; that's creamy, but not sludgy.

Serving type: growler

11-20-2008 19:34:22 | More by HeyItsChili
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Metalmonk

North Carolina

4.13/5  rDev +10.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

100th review for this beer on BA! Yay for me.

Glowing, glossy rust/sienna immediately indicates some kind of thickness, or big creaminess, as the bubbles are moving in total slo-mo through it, up to a crazy creamy head that dies to a thinner layer of really big bubbles...looks almost like dishsoap after a while. Hmm. Ghostly lace streaks, but not a ton. Everything about this is screaming "Creamy!" so far...even if the flavor sucks, I'm guessing this is a syrupy, thick, buttery and/or creamy wonder of texture. Let's see about that.

But first the nose: Big malt and big hops, intertwined, as it should be with a double IPA. Hops are quite polite, so the malt takes on the presence of thick-ass hella-gooey cookie dough. Alcohol takes on just a bit too much presence in the nose, bringing down the malt/hop wowza just a little.

Oddly, the same kind of thing happens in the flavor. At first a gooey soft-candy sweet maltiness--caramel, toffee, butter, cookie dough--wraps itself around grapefruit-y/rind-like hops. Nice. But then a medicinal presence takes over, lingering into the finish. Luckily, the malt/hop bigness wins out; its gooey, hoppy, malty seduction triumphs.

Is the texture as creamy as predicted? Close. Starts out with perfect thickness, but thins out somewhat. Still, I like the slick, buttery, oily feel here, I just wish the alcohol was incorporated in a more stealthlike manner--the mouthfeel would probably have felt better if the flavor were as fantastic as it should've been.

Although I don't see it anywhere on the bottle, somebody somewhere dubbed this a "Hopwine." It's an apt description, as there are indeed lotsa "hop"; the "wine" could be considered the strong alcoholic part of Existential's personality; but I would throw "bread" in there, due to its doughy-ness. It's pretty close to a barleywine, but its spirit is still very much DIPA. It also reminds of the Bastard family from Stone, same attitude, less control.

Serving type: bottle

11-18-2008 01:02:00 | More by Metalmonk
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steelcutoats

Pennsylvania

4.43/5  rDev +18.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I got this MONSTER ALE down at the Headkeepers on the way home from dropping off a resume. It's a beast of an IPA...very hoppy, bitter and satisfying. I poured 3/4 of the 22 oz. botlle into a crystal wine glass. The head was almost gone as soon as I returned from returning the bottle to the fridge. The color was a light orange with a twang of gold. The aroma was full of hops and citrus. The taste was lovely. Good and bitter, with a lingering after taste. This is definately a beer to try out!

Serving type: bottle

11-12-2008 00:20:43 | More by steelcutoats
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mattcrill

Ohio

3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Aroma: Orange juice and citrusy notes lend way to some piney resin aromatics. Sliced candied oranges with some gentle alcohol warming the nose.

Appearance: Very murky and hazy amber pour with a very thin sudsy white head.

Flavor: Good firm carmel base with more pithy citrusy hops to balance. Floral and light grassy hoppiness overlay a nice warming alcohol base. Low fruity esters appear as the beer warms up.

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied with low carbonation. Warms the palate on the way down.

Overall impression: A big, powerful American Barleywine. Too sweet and too much malt character for a double IPA. I would have liked to have seen more carbonation. These big beers from New Holland are notoriously undercarbonated. Disappointing b/c I think this could be a world class beer with a touch more carbonation to open up the aromatics and flavor profile. Probably worth trying once but not much more than that.

Serving type: bottle

10-18-2008 13:09:26 | More by mattcrill
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roadhouse

Florida

3.53/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 22 oz. bomber into a snifter. I'm not sure this should be categorized as a DIPA, the New Holland rep told me it was a cross between a DIPA and a Barleywine, so maybe it should be an American Strong Ale?

Appears a hazy dark orange color with a thin, less than one centimeter, soapy looking off-white head.

Aroma is sweet and malty with a nice hop bite that reminds me of citrus and a bit of pininess.

Taste is kind of strange actually. It starts out with a malty sweetness then hops take over and make it quite bitter. There is a certain fruitiness to it, but I distinguish any particulars. Bitter, fruity finish lingers on.

Mouthfeel is definitely lacking in the carbonation department. It seems like it's going to be thick but ends up being way too thin.

I was quite disappointed with this one. That usually doesn't happen with New Holland, but oh well.

Serving type: bottle

09-24-2008 05:30:30 | More by roadhouse
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BeerBelcher

Ohio

2.58/5  rDev -31.2%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

I was not a fan of this one. It was the last beer of the night and I was pretty hopped out by this one. Still, the sweet malty cereal-ness/graininess was an unpleasant surprise. Thought this beer was very unhopped for something called Hopewine...much more wheat wine than DIPA.

This beer poured a cloudy dull amber with a really minimal scummy head. Aroma was pure alcohol esters, which reminded me of rubbing alcohol. Flavor was sweet malty cerealness. Mouthfeel was dry and astringent...almost to the point of burning.

I would be reluctant to recommend this beer.

Serving type: bottle

09-10-2008 19:23:18 | More by BeerBelcher
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weeare138

Pennsylvania

4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appears a semi-transparent orange with a small white head. Spotty lacing is left around the glass.
Smell is of pine, citrus, caramel, and toffee.
Taste is of the mentioned aromas with standout roasted nuts, caramel, citrus, and pine.
Mouthfeel is sweet up front with bitter pine needles, and sap sticking to the palate.

Serving type: bottle

09-10-2008 01:56:27 | More by weeare138
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saintwarrick

South Carolina

3.25/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

New Holland's year round brews impress me a lot more than their one shots for some reason, and this one follows that trend. This brew pours a nice orangey amber, but almost no head appears in a late-forming head. Smell is slightly hoppy, some rubbing alcohol with some citrus and honey thrown in. Not quite as overwhelming with the pine or citrus like most DIPAs. Taste is slightly sweet with a honey-like flavor, quickly followed with some burnt orange and pine syrupy aftertaste that lends a little bitterness.

Malts are there, but there's not much that makes this brew balanced. You're better off with their superior Mad Hatter than this brew, which needs more than a few tweaks to the formula.

Serving type: bottle

09-09-2008 06:30:14 | More by saintwarrick
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tavernjef

Minnesota

4.65/5  rDev +24%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Bright burnt orangey color with a small capping of tinted ivory bubbles that sticks around very well. Lacing is in thin stretched out strings and some spotting. Lots of thick bubbles stay consistantly frothed at the rim top of the beer.

Aroma is heavily oiled in a malt laden tropical twisted scent of sticky mango, sweet peach, pineapple, orange oil, and there's some piney dryness trying hard to top it off but barely getting by its big beefy sweet fruity malt.

Big on tropical taste with way more pine sinking in then what the aroma hints to. Thick and orange oil heavy with hints to white raisins, peach, grapefruit, pineapple, and mango sweetness. Toasted slightly, but mostly heavy with tropical sweet fruityness. Lots of orange oil pithyness and mango juices. A piney swift bite of bitterness swings in just past midway and carries through to the finish with a huge twist of hoppy greased resin thats oily, thick, and juicy. Mixing into a thickly despersed mountian of broad hop tones and flavors that last well and don't quit til late into a lingering toasty finish and hoppy warmth.

Feel is pretty damn big and beefy. Rich, heavy on oily sensations and a creamy malt laden thickness that really coats the palate well. Leaving just enough room for the hoppy extras to seep in with tropical sweetness, pine, and other mentionables noted above.

Only a slight heat is experienced in through the nose at some of the bigger sips and then on the back of the throat and palate. So between that and its hugely thick and creamy malt tropic center, it makes for a hoppy treat that can't be consumed as easily as one would like I think. But damn if it ain't one tasty solid treat!

Serving type: bottle

09-07-2008 23:32:21 | More by tavernjef
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Slynger

Illinois

3.05/5  rDev -18.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Fairly bright, very clear, orange color with a golden fade to it, and a slim ivory lid of big bubbled foam.

The nose is very nice, very sweet caramely malts with pineapples, apricots, oranges, and pine.

Taste is not as good. It is syrupy sugary, with toasted, bready malts and toffee overpowering the above fruits and pine, finishing bitter. Full bodied and syrupy slick with light, foamy carbonation.

Not one of the best that I've had.

Serving type: bottle

08-30-2008 21:53:40 | More by Slynger
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rajendra82

Georgia

3.75/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I picked this bomber up at Green's in Greenville, South Carolina. The color of the beer was copper, the body clear, and the head quite small. For a beer with a silk screened hop cone on the label, the smell was quite subdued. I could pick up some distant earthy and citric hops, but its was nothing to rave about. The taste was much hoppier, as the spicy and bitter flavors were apparent immediately. The malt was skeletal in nature and provided a stable but unspectacular foundation. The alcohol was completely hidden, and this one drank like many IPAs rather than the barleywine strength it really was. In the mouth, this felt, oily, slippery, and mercurial. This was a very unique creation indeed, but I found it somewhat empty.

Serving type: bottle

08-30-2008 04:18:08 | More by rajendra82
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Billolick

New York

4.43/5  rDev +18.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

22 ounce bomber, purchased at Sicilianos's in Grand Rapids MI. (sheesh, what a great place!) No bargain @ $8.19, but you get what you pay for and this one did not disappoint. Poured clear, glowing and glistening amber. Loose medium tan head, and better then average lace left on the glass. Bold, earthy, grassy and minty nose. Bursting with flavor, bold hops jumping onto the palate, alcohol present but mostly kept to the rear. High quality, very enjoyable heady stuff. Went great with a sand wedge of spicy humus and stinky blue cheese. Love these kinda big, bold and hoppalicious, over the top, all American beers...Bring on the bold flavors!

Serving type: bottle

08-30-2008 04:08:27 | More by Billolick
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webmanspidey

Michigan

3.68/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Has all the typical characteristics of Double IPAs: very bitter, hoppy, and alcoholic. Maybe a little overboard in some of the categories, as I had a difficult time slowly finishing the bomber I bought at the brewery. Definitely worth trying if you're a big Double IPA / Barleywine fan.

Serving type: bottle

08-24-2008 01:12:23 | More by webmanspidey
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swizzlenuts

Wisconsin

4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The beer is poured with a dark copper colour and a small head, but the retention is great along with decent lacing. The nose on the beer is quite hoppy, but with a caramel hint to it. While drinking the beer, the bitterness comes out last; however, there is a huge malt backbone to the beer. There is caramel and nutty flavours that come together with the hops; also, there is a pretty strong alcohol warming with the beer. The mouthfeel is creamy with a bit of carbonation. Decently drinkable.

Serving type: bottle

08-14-2008 03:50:50 | More by swizzlenuts
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Lepley

Pennsylvania

3.88/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours thick tan-orange with a little tan head.
S: Sweet and strong. I was able to smell the hops it without holding the glass up.
T: Sweet fruits, hoppiness. Alcohol burns in its aftertaste.
M: Thick with good carbonation.
D: This is a solid imperial IPA. I recommend trying it.

Serving type: bottle

08-14-2008 00:52:01 | More by Lepley
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TurdFurgison

Ohio

3/5  rDev -20%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

I had 1/2 a bomber in a pint glass. The beer was clear, bright copper colored, with a thick and sticky poof of foam, some laing too. The aroma wasn't near hoppy enough, I expected a lot more hops due to large hop graphic printed on the bottle. Instead, this beer smelled like sweet malts, a touch of hops, and ethanol. The taste was a bit boozy too, kind of barley-wine flavored in that the large malt bill pushed the flavor with a citrus hops character playing backseat. The mouthfeel was thick, again I think there was a large malt bill, but drinkability is only average as the alcohol is evident and the flavor really isn't as tasty as I'd hoped.

Serving type: bottle

07-20-2008 17:21:41 | More by TurdFurgison
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Monkeyknife

Missouri

3.63/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the bottle a clear and bright gold color with a whisper thin off-white head.

The aroma is bright with sweet malts, piney hops, and a whiff of booze.

The taste is quite malty up front revealing butterscotch and vanilla while slowly uncovering a bitter hoppiness. The alcohol is definitely present and warming to the palate.

Medium bodied, warming, and moderately carbonated.

A better balance between the malts and hops would have helped. Overall, not a bad DIPA and definitely worthy of a try.

Serving type: bottle

07-16-2008 22:11:38 | More by Monkeyknife
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jbphoto88

Texas

2.75/5  rDev -26.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured from the 22 oz brown bottle into a seidel mug. No best by date. Weak carbonation, thin soapy looking head that fades fast down to a copper colored cough syrup looking beer.

The scent is weak for the style, in fact I think its weak for any style. There is light malts and ghostly remnants of hops. Every now and then I get a whiff of citrus... I think... but its gone just as fast.

The taste is a lot like the smell. Nothing big about it, mostly its a sweet malty one. Kind of syrupy in its consistency but nothing else. There is no hop flavors nor is there any residual bitterness or spice.

Rather disappointing offering. The only positive is the high ABV. Hopefully by the end of this bottle I will be drunk enough to forget the inadequacy's of this beverage.

Serving type: bottle

07-13-2008 02:29:04 | More by jbphoto88
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Mdog

Minnesota

3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: A medium pour gives a pretty cascade of bubbles that create a small head. Amber in color.

Smell: Citrus, deep caramel, a little bit of booze.

Taste: Nice sweet caramel with a dry citrus finish. Starts to get a little hot in alcohol after a few tastes.

Drinkability: Good for a change of pace but better DIPA's are out there.

I figured, it has a hop cone on the bottle, it must be good. The hops weren't as prominent as expected but it was still a good beer. Seemed a little more on the malty side than hoppy.

Serving type: bottle

07-06-2008 20:51:40 | More by Mdog
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kzoobrew

Michigan

3.93/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pour a burnt orange color bright white head with decent retention.

Smell is not so large. Citrus and floral hops are light no the nose. Very pleasant aroma, just less than expected.

Flavor reminds me of a Barley wine more than a DIPA.
Hoppy bitterness does not stand out in front of the sweet malt. Wonderful flavor just confused on the style.

Smooth moth feel, slick and oily.

Very drinkable, especially for the abv.

Serving type: bottle

07-05-2008 22:04:39 | More by kzoobrew
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cvstrickland

North Carolina

2.95/5  rDev -21.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 2

Double-deuce bomber with a big-ass hop silk-screen printed on the bottle looks promising. Pouring the beer into a tulip glass yields a clear red-orange-amber body with a fat finger-thick cap of pale, extremely fine-bubbled foam that retains at a big bubbly ring and leaves sticky lacing.

Smell is faint. Where are the hops? A little caramel and an earthy note make me wonder again, "Where are the damned hops?"

Taste is sweet, sweet, with a tang of alcohol-laden lemon and boozy orange. Syrupy mouthfeel and simple-syrupy sweetness is only countered by a vicious cheap vodka-style alcohol bite, as there is no hop bite to speak of. Wait, I'm wrong. There it is/was... a little sticky green thing in the aftertaste...right before the intense alcohol warming made me break into a sweat and set my fingers tingling. Caramel is more prominent as the beer warms, but as if miraculously, the alcohol begins to subside (probably as it numbs my palate and my brain). No, I'm wrong again...it's still as strong as ever. I'd rather shoot Jack Daniels if I want a burn and violent alcohol flavors. Hell, Jack is smoother than this!!!

Wincing, hating this beer a little. Dreading each caramelly-boozy swallow, but too stupid to dump it in the sink where it belongs. Feeling the burn and a nice little buzz. Never buying this again, as Olde English High-Gravity is waaay cheaper, and probably has just as many hops in it.

One more time:

Q: So, where are the damned hops?

A: Screen-printed on the bottle.

Serving type: bottle

06-18-2008 00:29:09 | More by cvstrickland
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mntlover

Tennessee

3.68/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a rich amber color with small off white head that falls quickly to clumped foam, leaves some decent lace.

Aroma is nice rich earthy caramel dripping with hints of molasses, nice pine resin notes hidden underneath. Nice rich smelling not as hoppy as most I2PA's but very relaxing soothing smelling.

Taste is big on caramel malts sweet slightly cloying with nice alcohol notes. Kind of Old Ale or Strong Ale tasting more then I2PA. Hops can hardly keep up with big malt base that becomes more alcoholic as it warms, hardly a hop monster but not bad either, just need to relabel bottle.

Mouthfeel is not as big as all the malt would suggest but a medium with mellow carbonation.

Drinkability is good just don't expect an I2PA and all will be good. Not a bad beer just not what the bottle states it is.

Serving type: bottle

06-17-2008 00:03:15 | More by mntlover
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UA8

Washington

3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A- Pour a rich amber color with nearly no head and a bit of white foam.

S- Nose starts with hints of citrus hops and then moves on to warm alcohol

T- Combination of bitter hops and sweet malts dominate the flavor, finishes with alcohol warmth.

M- A bit on the thin side, alcohol warmth dominates.

D- Something that you could do maybe one of in a night, not a session beer. Pretty nice example of a barley wine. However there maybe better examples of the style out there for less money.

Serving type: bottle

06-16-2008 01:07:24 | More by UA8
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atsprings

North Carolina

3.75/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22oz bomber poured into a Duvel Snifter. Pours a nice crisp amber with a thin diminishing head. Aroma is Earthy pine hops with sweet caramel right behind, quite fragrant. The taste is dominated by bitter pine with some burnt caramel and dried fruits in the background. The hop bitterness is quite overbearing and the alcohol is cloyingly sweet, I'm hoping some aging would do this beer well. The beer is one of the driest I've ever had, slight cloying alcohol hits hard but than somewhat dissipates, just not completely. This is certainly an interesting beer, but this one in particular is not what I look for in this style.

Serving type: bottle

06-14-2008 02:14:26 | More by atsprings
New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 141 ratings.