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New Holland Existential: Hopwine - New Holland Brewing Company

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BA SCORE
85
very good

142 Ratings
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Ratings: 142
Reviews: 137
rAvg: 3.75
pDev: 14.13%
Wants: 9
Gots: 0 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial IPA |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: kirok1999 on 05-16-2007)
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Photo of clayrock81
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a light brown body with lace patches and a frothy one-fingerh ead. Something akin to grape skin along with faint citric for a juicy hop smell as well as a little caramelized malt sweetness. Smooth, creamy, sweet with good malt base and the ABV complements the beer as it adds a little spice and kick to the leafy, citric hops. Medium-bodied beer that is balanced, albeit slightly sticky, that is easy to drink from sweet hoppy flavors and has a nice dry backbite that is also crisp. Watch out as this can be killed quickly and it catches up with you.

clayrock81, Jun 29, 2009
Photo of maximum12
3.68/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

After an evening that included a Surly Furious & Wild Dog Gonzo, I needed something that would cut through the palate clutter like a laser. Hoo boy. This certainly fit the bill. And what's a hopwine?

For certain, this is a unique beer, which gets it points from the stink-go. The nose is unremarkable, alcohol with a bit of hops, but the taste is where this is at. I tend to favor my IIPAs as hops bombs - balance? it's a IIPA, screw balance! - but this one goes the opposite direction. The hops are present & saying the pledge, but the malts aren't balancing, they're screaming for attention & being hauled off to detention. If you're going to fuck up an IIPA by using malt, go deep! I like it.

Drinkability is high if you want to wake up sprawled out naked on your deck. Otherwise, imbibe with caution.

Good brew. New Holland is doing some good things, some I appreciate, some not so much, but tip-o-the-cap for the effort.

maximum12, Jan 18, 2009
Photo of KarlHungus
3.53/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This brew pours a hazy amber color. With a one inch head that recedes into nice lacing. The aroma is of grape fruit, passion fruit, with a strong underlying caramel sweetness. The taste is very sweet considering this is a DIPA. It is clear that this beer is very bitter, but its bitterness is overpowered by its sweetness. The mouthfeel is full bodied with nice carbonation. Overall, this is a decent beer, but there are so many better DIPAs out there that I cannot see myself buying this again.

KarlHungus, Jul 01, 2007
Photo of alexgash
3.68/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Imbibed at Ashley's. Served colder than it should, so I let it warm up a bit.

Medium copper with an amber glaze. Small, sticky, off-white head. Nose is full of fruit, butterscotch, alcohol, and citrusy hops. Smells intimidating! Bracing, powerful palate full of ripe fruits, sugar, butterscotch syrup up front. Woah! Oh, and there's the citrusy hops too! Alcohol is noticeable throughout and is perhaps a bit too hot. Spicy, sweet malt dominates this "hopwine", and the hops play second fiddle. Interesting. If you like sugary malt bomb barleywines give this one a try. Full-bodied, with a syrupy, mouth-lacquering feel. It'll warm you right up too!

alexgash, Jan 04, 2007
Photo of LilBeerDoctor
3.28/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bottle thanks to mreusch. Pours a cloudy light brown with a small white head. Aroma of sweet caramel malt, raisin, alcohol and perhaps a touch of citrus. Flavor is mostly sweet caramel, with a touch of stale wheat malt, and a bitter finish. The alcohol slowly makes its presence as you continue to drink. I liked this at first, but it really wore on me.
6/4/7/3/13 (3.3/5)

LilBeerDoctor, Mar 31, 2009
Photo of Brent
4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Substantial malt, with brown sugar gravitating toward a syrupy mouthfeel. Loads of hops, green and herbal with some rough saw-tooth edge at the finish. A touch of alchohol fusels lend a sharp punctuation to the back - high abv comes as no surprise here. Solid entry in the DIPA camp.

Brent, Jul 16, 2007
Photo of merlin48
4.25/5  rDev +13.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz bottle pours a hazed peach body with a three finger offwhite head that retains well and generously laces the snifter with loads of sticky lace.

Aroma begins with a sharply aggressive hoppiness. Grapefruit and lemon rind up front, with notes of pine resin soaked caramel. This smells thick.

Mouthfeel is quite full for style. Medium carbonation.

Taste is pleasantly complex. Lots of fruity citrus, mostly grapefruit. Hints of orange and lemon. Big chewy maltiness serves up a caramel backbone. Alcohol is disguised very well.

Substantial and meaty. A nice DIPA that is rewarding and challenging.

merlin48, Jun 24, 2007
Photo of Vancer
4.38/5  rDev +16.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This was one fine brew – it made for a fine Saturday evening of sippin and dippin’. By the end of the bottle I was a glowin'

Amber pour with sheets of lace sliding down the glass, the 10+% is keeping the head to a minimum.

I thought this was a BW at first, the sweet and resinous woody aspect through me for a loop, but the oily film brought me back to DIPA by the end. Maybe this is a cross between the two – the sweet caramel is more BW than DIPA. Freakin stuff was fruit juicy on top of the caramels.

Great fat daddy body, full and tasty. A fresh bottle of brew, I’d recommend grapping a few, I think the price was good too ( $6 a bomber).

Vancer, Jul 30, 2007
Photo of prototypic
3.63/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: It's a dark reddish color with a creamy one finger head. Very good retention and a nice coat of lace covered the glass.

Smell: Very citrusy sweet smelling. There's some grapefruit, orange and mango present. Hops are strong. Very piney smell to it. Caramel and toffee malts only add to the mix and make this one complex smelling brew.

Taste: Citrus notes really start this out on the sweet side. Grapefruit flavor adds a bit of bitterness. Once the hops kick in, it's very piney and bitter. Caramel and toffee malts provide some balance.

Mouthfeel/Drinkability. Medium bodied. Very lightly carbonated. Alcohol is strong and noticeable. The strength really knocks down the drinkability a notch for me. Overall, it's a pretty good beer. Definitely worth a try.

prototypic, May 12, 2007
Photo of brewdlyhooked13
3.33/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3

Appearance - pours a slightly hazed tangerine color, a finger or so of cream colored foam on top. Very sticky as it recedes, leaving a lacy, drapy network of residue behind. As the beer sets up, the load of bubbles rising from pour turbulence is a thing of beauty. It rolls and weaves below the surface, lazily gathering the mass of suds for the under-head, finally condensing its effort into a solid mass. not the best head retention, but I dig the look otherwise.

Aroma - a very sweet, hoppy, fresh barleywine aroma. Peels back after a minute, leaving a sweet, orange jiuce or peach juice smell.

Taste - a full, caramel, sweet grain base, quickly followed by a syrupy mix of pineapple-like hops, sugar, and alcohol heat. The hops turn a little medicinal and the alcohol makes this a little too hot for ideal enjoyment. Any thoughts of cellaring to quell that would surely wipe out any advantageous hop flavors.

Mouthfeel - heavy and think on first sip, the beer glides like oil over the palate. Carbonation is kept well in check.

Drinkability - not something I'd go for other than posterity's sake.

brewdlyhooked13, Jan 07, 2008
Photo of Metalmonk
4.13/5  rDev +10.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

100th review for this beer on BA! Yay for me.

Glowing, glossy rust/sienna immediately indicates some kind of thickness, or big creaminess, as the bubbles are moving in total slo-mo through it, up to a crazy creamy head that dies to a thinner layer of really big bubbles...looks almost like dishsoap after a while. Hmm. Ghostly lace streaks, but not a ton. Everything about this is screaming "Creamy!" so far...even if the flavor sucks, I'm guessing this is a syrupy, thick, buttery and/or creamy wonder of texture. Let's see about that.

But first the nose: Big malt and big hops, intertwined, as it should be with a double IPA. Hops are quite polite, so the malt takes on the presence of thick-ass hella-gooey cookie dough. Alcohol takes on just a bit too much presence in the nose, bringing down the malt/hop wowza just a little.

Oddly, the same kind of thing happens in the flavor. At first a gooey soft-candy sweet maltiness--caramel, toffee, butter, cookie dough--wraps itself around grapefruit-y/rind-like hops. Nice. But then a medicinal presence takes over, lingering into the finish. Luckily, the malt/hop bigness wins out; its gooey, hoppy, malty seduction triumphs.

Is the texture as creamy as predicted? Close. Starts out with perfect thickness, but thins out somewhat. Still, I like the slick, buttery, oily feel here, I just wish the alcohol was incorporated in a more stealthlike manner--the mouthfeel would probably have felt better if the flavor were as fantastic as it should've been.

Although I don't see it anywhere on the bottle, somebody somewhere dubbed this a "Hopwine." It's an apt description, as there are indeed lotsa "hop"; the "wine" could be considered the strong alcoholic part of Existential's personality; but I would throw "bread" in there, due to its doughy-ness. It's pretty close to a barleywine, but its spirit is still very much DIPA. It also reminds of the Bastard family from Stone, same attitude, less control.

Metalmonk, Nov 18, 2008
Photo of GbVDave
3.48/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Served in a mini pint at New Holland 2/3/07. Thanks to Killer for the assist!

A: Intersting cloudy golden brown. Almost like unfiltered apple cider. Creamy head like frothed milk. Major lace.

S: Restrained aromas of baked apples, caramel malt, and a whiff of alcohol.

T: Flavors of toffee and caramel. Sweet. Fortunately the sweetness is brought down by a big bitter finish. Alcohol is not hidden whatsoever.

M: Oily and full bodied. Coats the mouth like latex paint.

D: This is not a drinker, hell for me, it's hardly a sipper. It's bitter but it seems to be missing a cohesive hop flavor. Maybe they'll tinker with this and make some improvements.

GbVDave, Feb 04, 2007
Photo of mcallister
4.5/5  rDev +20%

mcallister, Feb 19, 2012
Photo of grub
3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

sampled on tap at hopcat june 13/09.

pours deep reddish orange with a small fine off-white head. the head drops fast and leaves lots of spotty lace behind.

aroma is good. big malty base - biscuit, multi-grain bread, rye and caraway. bit earthy and woody. slightly herbal. light alcohol.

taste is good. again, tons of malt to start things off. biscuit. multi-grain bread. caraway rye. light cracker. bit of toast. light caramel. earthy and woody. medium-high bitterness level. some citrusy and slightly floral hops. maybe a touch of smoke too.

mouthfeel is good. nice big body. medium carbonation level.

drinkability is good. the alcohol is hidden very well by the big malt presence and the bitterness. this feels like it's more in barleywine territory than DIPA, but regardless of what you choose to call it, it's still good.

grub, Jul 01, 2009
Photo of Tyrawlings
3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22 oz. Bottle poured into a pint glass.

A: Hazy, deep dark orange in color woth tea colored hues. Micro bubble white head pours two fingers thick. Decent retention. Nice sticky lacing.

S: Sweet fruit. Apple. Peach. Apricot. Toffee. Grain and alcohol.

T: The sweetness of tropical fruits and apples dominate the front end of this brew. Soft caramel malts and the taste of toffee come in to play the balancing game but are immediately beaten back by a citrus hop bitterness that zaps the tongue. Big grain taste is followed by a hot alcohol burn. Finishes sweet and dry.

M: Syrupy and slightly slick. Minimal carbonation. Warming and dry.

D: I think this barleywine has the potential to be a very nice example of the style. It seems a bit hot and needs time to settle down. I am very interested to try this one again after some six months or so of aging! Recommended.

Tyrawlings, May 06, 2007
Photo of atsprings
3.75/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22oz bomber poured into a Duvel Snifter. Pours a nice crisp amber with a thin diminishing head. Aroma is Earthy pine hops with sweet caramel right behind, quite fragrant. The taste is dominated by bitter pine with some burnt caramel and dried fruits in the background. The hop bitterness is quite overbearing and the alcohol is cloyingly sweet, I'm hoping some aging would do this beer well. The beer is one of the driest I've ever had, slight cloying alcohol hits hard but than somewhat dissipates, just not completely. This is certainly an interesting beer, but this one in particular is not what I look for in this style.

atsprings, Jun 14, 2008
Photo of bditty187
4.18/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Hazy, bronzed peach with a coppery-gold influence, I even see a tickle of amber as well. I like the color. Off-white foam; thick and frothy, at the apex the head was only a half finger tall. However, the head retention was decent as the bubbles steadily faded to a soapy cap (and eventually a thin collar). Subsequent lacing was spotty and not very widespread. Still, overall, this is an attractive looking beer with plenty of color complexities.

The nose shows plenty of sweetness. The loudest aromas are the sweet/sour caramel apple notes, red grapes, raisins, and splash of tropical fruit. Muddled hoppiness, which I don’t care for; the mix of resin, pine, earth, and hints of citrus fight the apple aromas and clash with the caramel malt/brown sugar vibes. The conflict doesn’t work. IMO, the nose is too messy. Nothing standouts. The malt is vocal but it gets shouted out in the end. The more I smell it, the more “sugar” I detect. Moderate potency… the nose doesn’t do much for me. It really isn’t inviting, I’ll call it interesting. EDIT: After about halfway through the bottle the nose lost much of the muddled aromas but a nasty nail polish hotness arrived. No matter how I cut it the nose isn’t working for me.

Wow. Where did this come from? The palate has ample bitterness and a wonderful complex hoppy profile. Earthy undercurrents allow pine, spruce, hints of marijuana resin, and grapefruit rinds to shine. The caramel malt lands firmly in the middle, it is fairly hardy and firm. I am impressed. I’m surprised. The fruitiness is quite subtle and plays nicely with the other flavors. Much more bitter than I was expecting. While the alcohol is noticeable it is not too much. The toffee and brown sugar only add another layer of complexity. Clean ending, which works because there is a large amount of lingering hop flavors and bitterness. Much drier then the nose led on. The palate is really put together. The beer really suits my palate. This is a hoppy barleywine with true flavors of both a DIPA and a Barleywine. Well done!

Medium/medium-full in body, creamy, smooth carbonation; the mouthfeel fits this beer well. The mouthfeel instructs me to sip and savor (as does the palate). Sometimes I get mixed messages. Not so much here. Lovely.

Screw styles. Many DIPAs are damn near a barleywines and hoppy American barleywines are awfully close to a big DIPA. So, this beer bridges some imaginary gap. I’m sure some beer geeks will dislike this beer simply because it is a bastard ale. I for one love it. The aromas concerned me but the palate, mouthfeel, and drinkability shine. Speaking of drinkability, I am enjoying sipping and savoring every ounce. What a nightcap! The mix of bitter hops, rich hop flavors, sweet (but restrained) maltiness, fruitiness, and a clean (think not cloying) finish really makes this beer noteworthy, IMO. I am impressed. Thank you RedHaze!!

bditty187, Jul 09, 2007
Photo of lackenhauser
4.35/5  rDev +16%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Hazy amber/orange in color. Small tight head on top. Thick, resiny aroma of hops. Slight "booze" smell. Full frontal hop assault in the flavor. Piney and sticky hop flavor with a solid, bracing hop bitterness. Very malty and sweet-almost a caramel like sweetness to it. Body is spot on for this brew-thick and viscuous just like the flavors. Very, very drinkable and enjoyable beer. The stickyness of the hop flavor falls right into place alongside the huge bevy of malt and malty sweetness. Well done.

lackenhauser, Sep 10, 2007
Photo of Bierguy5
3.3/5  rDev -12%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

22 oz. bottle, 10.5 % ABV. Hazy copper color, with an off-white foamy head. Good retention for the size of the beer.

Nose is full of alcohol, fruits, including peaches, pine, and candy.

Malt jumps out at the front. Sticky, sweet caramel, seems to be cloying. The malt character seems to be pretty muddy, and overtakes things a bit. Not a great deal of hop bitterness or flavor. Fades into an earthy and dirty flavor.

Some warming from the alcohol. Medium body. Something just doesn't seem right. Seems a bit cloying.

Bierguy5, Jun 08, 2007
Photo of Monkeyknife
3.63/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from the bottle a clear and bright gold color with a whisper thin off-white head.

The aroma is bright with sweet malts, piney hops, and a whiff of booze.

The taste is quite malty up front revealing butterscotch and vanilla while slowly uncovering a bitter hoppiness. The alcohol is definitely present and warming to the palate.

Medium bodied, warming, and moderately carbonated.

A better balance between the malts and hops would have helped. Overall, not a bad DIPA and definitely worthy of a try.

Monkeyknife, Jul 16, 2008
Photo of brewandbbq
4.1/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours clear, dark copper, with a one-inch head of white that disperses quickly. A few dots of lacework and a placid surface remain.

Aromatics are heavy on conifer pine, resinous hops, sap-seeped bark, and alcohol. Fresh cedar pulls through, as well as a hint of cinnamon. Spicy, resinous, and alcoholic.

Medium bodied, slick and syrupy. The carbonation is low and doesn't do the beer justice.

Spruce dew, hop oil, and citrus-spiked alcohol lead off the pallet. Tasting much like a barleywine, with a bit less malt.
Bitterness is firm and sustaining but not over-the-top. Slightly sweet and very resinous.

Finishes with plenty of thinning alcohol and pine-spiked hop oil.

The aromatics could especially benefit from a more lively carbonation level, and the drinkablity would be boosted as well.
Otherwise, a very big and strong IIPA.

I could see this one getting you wrecked.

brewandbbq, Jun 02, 2008
Photo of david131
3.53/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A- Slightly cloudy, copper color with a few streams of rising carbonation that give way to a splotchy white head.

S- A lot of sweet candy, which was a little odd but very appealing. I also get some caramel and some vegetable hop aroma. Kind of subtle, but enjoyable none-the-less.

T- Very sweet and candy like with a slight vegetable aspect. The alcohol is also apparent, but isn't overly hot. There is somewhat of a malt backing keeping things from getting out of control.

M- Smooth and sweet and a little thick and sticky.

D- Not the best DIPA I have had, but is a unique beer and worth a try. A very sweet and interesting brew.

david131, May 15, 2008
Photo of adamette
4.2/5  rDev +12%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from notes. Poured from tap at Ballantines in Willoughby during "craft beer night" 1 27 10 into a 10 oz. snifter at a cost of $3.

A Opaque light brown/yellow body udner a nice light brown creamy head. Very good look indeed. 4.5

S Earthy hops with some malt background. Smell is inviting, interesting and more balanced than most barleywines that I have encountered. 4.0

T Big hops presence with a moderate malt presence in a beer with a lot of depth to it. To drink this beer in is to enter into an adventure of taste with earthy bitter hops and warming alcohol with a backdrop of sweet malt. 4.5

M Thick with that great depth that is akin to liquid wheat thins with an earthy, grainy feel. 4.5

D Fair with the huge ABV but repeated sips were easy to do. 3.5

Notes: Really good on tap, especially for the price there at Ballantines.

adamette, Jan 29, 2010
Photo of nlmartin
3.65/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

The beer was served in an Imperial Nonic.

Appearance: The beer poured a clear amber coloration. The head retention was very short. The head was a thin creamy biege coloration. Quickly falling rings of lacing remain on my glass.

Smell: The beer has caramel boozey alcohol notes on intial smell. This gives way to a melange of fruityness. The beers fruityness encompasses a combination of apples, berries, grapefruit, lemon, mango and pine. Again the alcohol is noticeable but not an undue distraction.

Taste: Sweet caramel and toffee kick the beers flavor off. The fruityness from the smell is nowhere near as identifiable in the flavor. Grapefruit and apple make an appearance on my palate. A bit of pine and grassyness. The alcohol demands to have its authority respected in the flavor. (I think New Hollands web site claims 11. % for this beer.

Mouthfeel/ Drinkability: The beer is full bodied. The alcohol is well incorporated in the beer. No alcohol heat is noted in the mouth. The hops have plenty of oilyness and last a long time. The beer drinks better than ok but probably would have been more enjoyable shared.

nlmartin, May 14, 2007
Photo of joe1510
3.58/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22oz Bomber
$6.99
Binny's Willowbrook

Existential Ale: Hopwine pours amber but glows a slightly hazy copper when held to the light.A nice dense two finger ivory head formed on the pour and as it fell left excellent lacing. The lowest the head fell was a half-finger cap. Good looking brew.

Smell is fairly mild. A big nose of caramel upfront and following through. Maybe even a hint of toffee. Grapefruit and a drop of orange come around in the middle. Tea leaf-like herbal hoppiness mixes in the aroma as well. Not bad but subdued for a "Hopwine".

Flavor begins with that very same caramel backbone that is strong upfront but fades as the hops come about. Some toffee in the flavor as well but the backend focuses on hops, mild but hops none-the-less. Tea leaf like hop bitterness along with just a squeeze or two of citrus on the finish. Good but not very exciting.

Good mouthfeel. The body is medium with a creamy frothiness that slides along rather easily. Carbonation is on the low side but works nicely.

The mouthfeel definately helps the drinkability but unfortuanately the smell and flavor drag it down. Not at all bad but nothing really stands out.

I was expecting something more from a so called "hopwine" but it didn't quite deliver. Actually it was a little low on the hops, the problem is, all I wanted was hops, that's why I bought a hopwine. A little less decieving of a name would make for a better brew.

joe1510, Aug 15, 2007
New Holland Existential: Hopwine from New Holland Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 142 ratings.