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New Holland El Mole Ocho - New Holland Brewing Company

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BA SCORE
80
good

335 Ratings
THE BROS
86
very good

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Ratings: 335
Reviews: 150
rAvg: 3.53
pDev: 16.43%
Wants: 13
Gots: 17 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Herbed / Spiced Beer |  9.79% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: alexgash on 04-04-2010)
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GaryMarkle84

Virginia

2/5  rDev -43.3%

11-21-2012 00:12:35 | More by GaryMarkle84
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oberon

North Carolina

3.83/5  rDev +8.5%

Poured into a .5 liter stein a brilliant garnet with a fluffy one finger off white head that settles into a creamy mass atop.The aromas are a mix of earth,bitter chocolate,and ripe chili's,not much sweetness is present.I have to say the flavors grew on me,at first I thought it to be a bit one sided in its roasty,drier tones, but after awhile the roasted chili flavor mixed with the bitter chocolate seemed to meld together better,the chili flavor really comes thru in the finish.Its different and thats a good thing here,it takes some adjusting to but its pretty good.

05-12-2010 01:00:12 | More by oberon
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TCHopCraver

Michigan

2.55/5  rDev -27.8%

Reviewed from notes on 5/3/10.

A: Pours a very pretty reddish brown. There is no head at all except for a cream ring around the edge of my glass. What lacing there is fades quickly. El Mole looks pretty clear and a little on the thin side.

S: A mix of burrito sauce, sweet cherries, and slight milk chocolate are the aromas my nose identifies right away. I will probably never write that sentence again. The smell is lacking substance; that is, it smells a bit watery. Additionally, I smell some coffee notes as it warms, and furthermore, some off aromas emerge as it sits in my glass longer: sour skim milk, rubber band, and circus peanuts.

T: A good dose of chocolate upfront with a little sweet cherry is my initial experience. As it warms, it disintegrates into a montage of unappealing flavors. I taste salt and rubber with a very earthy soil aftertaste. I liken the aftertaste of this beer as it warms to the taste in one's mouth after waking up from smoking too many cigarettes and drinking too many cheap beers the previous night.

M: Thin and relatively unsatisfying to most parts of my palate.

D: Well, the thought that crossed my mind is that as I drink more of this beer, I want to drink less. The brew kind of turned on me halfway through my tasting and became something pretty undrinkable.

I am usually not this negative in my reviews, so I will end with a positive. I am happy that New Holland is doing some interesting experimental beers and I am glad to have tried this particular beer to see how it turned out.

05-15-2010 21:53:37 | More by TCHopCraver
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MadScientist

New York

4.35/5  rDev +23.2%

A medium brown with excellent clarity and a half inch of a rocky, light tan head that leave lacing on the glass.

The coffee, cocoa and chilies peppers are the first thing you smell. The chile aroma isn't smoke how dried ones usually smell, there is the kind of green chilies impression but it's defiantly not like a fresh pepper. There a malt richness with almost no yeast character. There is a very low melanoidin in the background.

Malty and sweet with a touch of chile pepper flavor along with the heat that builds slightly and continues long into the finish. The heat is very mild. The coffee and cocoa flavors come into focus mid-palate. The flavor elements of cocoa, chile pepper, coffee and malt are all in balance until the the finish where the chilies and alcohol warm dominate.

It has a medium-full body with the low carbonation increasing the perception of weight on the palate. The alcohol give it some warmth and a slight solvent character towards the finish.

This enjoyable beer does a great job of reminding me of the flavors I taste in the first couple of bites of a mole sauces. This is a rich complex beer with that strikes a balance between the ingredients of cocoa, chile pepper, coffee and malt characteristics bringing those flavors together and makes them play nice.

06-22-2012 23:07:48 | More by MadScientist
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heddar33

Pennsylvania

3.75/5  rDev +6.2%

09-09-2012 05:12:05 | More by heddar33
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Jason

Massachusetts

3.83/5  rDev +8.5%

22oz brown bomber with a foiled top, vintage date on the label.

LOOK: Red and clear, decent lacing

SMELL: Fresh chilies, toasted cocoa nibs, dired plums, toasted biscuits, yeast, mild esters

TASTE: Silky smooth, medium body, creamy, dark chocolate, mild chili peppers, faint pepper heat, caramel, mild tartness, dried grass, fruity alcohol, dry cocoa nib finish

Clearly a sipper here, one to savor. I'd suggest to cook and pair food obviously, even on its own it will garner some conversation. Long live extreme beer!!

02-21-2012 02:53:15 | More by Jason
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Mora2000

Texas

4/5  rDev +13.3%

Thanks to blutt59 for sharing this bottle.

The beer pours a clear red-amber color with an off-white head. The aroma is heavy on the peppers with some earth, dirt and caramel malts. The flavor is fresh green peppers (jalapenos or serranos) with some coffee, chocolate, caramel and earthy hops. Medium mouthfeel and medium carbonation. The overall flavor of this beer is kind of a mess, but I liked it. Definitely an interesting idea from the brewers at New Holland.

06-23-2010 01:09:14 | More by Mora2000
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mjtiernan

New York

3/5  rDev -15%

01-04-2012 06:31:03 | More by mjtiernan
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glid02

Georgia

3.93/5  rDev +11.3%

Bottle shared by Dan - thanks!

Pours a dark brown color with a half-finger tan head. The head recedes into a wispy layer on top leaving light lacing.

Smells of dark caramel and lightly roasted malts with good amounts of dark chocolate and cocoa powder. Also present are mild amounts of indistinct dark fruits and some chilli heat.

Tastes similar to how it smells. Sweet caramel malt flavors with hints of roastiness kick things off. Joining in shortly thereafter are strong dark chocolate flavors that carry through to a solidly bitter finish. A light amount of heat comes in after the ending to linger on the palate but it's relatively light.

Mouthfeel is OK. It's a bit on the light side with moderate carbonation.

Drinkability is good. I finished my glass without any problems and could have another.

Overall this is an interesting concept but unfortunately I didn't think the flavors were quite crisp enough to completely pull it off. Still, it's worth a shot to see for yourself.

05-28-2010 02:40:08 | More by glid02
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dsauter

Indiana

3.25/5  rDev -7.9%

01-15-2014 10:58:22 | More by dsauter
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JIMTRK16

Illinois

4/5  rDev +13.3%

03-18-2014 21:51:40 | More by JIMTRK16
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rhoadsrage

Illinois

3.05/5  rDev -13.6%

(served in a nonic) A- This deep walnut brown body is dense with an amber glow and a lumpy tan head that last for a good bit. There are strands of tiny bubbles gliding up the sides of the glass.
S- The brown nougat aroma is full with a soft tootsie roll hint and a faint hint of cinnamon and a bright but dark earthiness in the finish.
T- The brown nougat melanoidin flavor has a soft chili hint and a toffee note that comes through as the beer opens up. The finish has a slight tartness with more of a slightly sweet caramel flavor.
M- This beer has a medium-light mouthfeel with no alcohol heat and a very soft carbonation.
D- The nougaty flavors really overpower everything with they become more offensive when it warms. It started out as an interesting beer but by the second glass I just couldn't bring myself to finish it. Novel concept but I just don't think it translated from paper to bottle.

07-14-2010 15:46:24 | More by rhoadsrage
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Brenden

Ohio

3.68/5  rDev +4.2%

Plenty clear with a translucency owing only to the darkness, it's a lovely mahogany or cherry wood brown-red, brilliant and fiery in its depths. The head, light brown, is compact, tight and solid. It manages close to one finger and shows good retention while depositing moderate spotting as it recedes.
Peppers come out in the nose, lots of flesh and skin with some heat. There's a certain fruity sweetness as well complemented by a dryer sort of cocoa. It goes drier with a not-quite-doughy malt to set against the sweetness while a strong note of yeast plays a hand underneath it all.
The taste follows suit, but the heat of the peppers really backs down and just sort of tickles a little. Cocoa also backs down against a sweetness that makes me think more of prunes than plums and maybe something like apricot. It's a little tangy as well. It gets fairly boozy, too, but doesn't build up and just sort of plays with everything else. It may have been 9.79%, but my bottle says 10.5%.
There's lots of smoothness with only a little crispness, but unvarying. It leans on the light side in the medium body. It's semi-sweet the whole way through, almost breaking toward semi-dry in the finish.

11-24-2013 14:45:53 | More by Brenden
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cynical1027

Ohio

3/5  rDev -15%

02-20-2012 20:57:05 | More by cynical1027
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Metalmonk

North Carolina

4.03/5  rDev +14.2%

Gusher alert! Would have never guessed a beer like this would explode, and no reason that it should have (I didn't open it right after a 7.2 earthquake or anything), but it did. So be careful.

Not sure if the poor head stamina is a result of or linked to said gushing, but it fizzles and crackles quickly away. It's a dirty tanned white while it lasts, and the liquid is a rust-inflected brown, glowing and jewel-like. And looks like it'll be a thin beer, texturally. Looks like a danged root beer.

Nice aroma, a bit mellow, but then you don't want chilies setting your nose on fire, not in a beer anyway. They're there, but apparently excellently balanced by the cocoa, as both of those elements play out perfectly with, and against, one another. A lightly metallic/mineral smell, but in a clean way, not a bad way as is more often the case.

Taste-wise this is a remarkably balanced beer. It doesn't have great depth or complexity, but for what is happening here, it does the trick nicely. And let's cut right to the chase: hardly any beers made using chili (and of course, mole is a mixture of cocoa and chili) are that great. This one, if not great, is very very good. The chili is certainly present, but somewhere between subtle and well-behaved, while the cocoa side of the equation offers a sweet balance, but not too sweet. Always found mole to have a kind of comfort-food mellowness to it, despite a flash of heat, and that's exactly what is achieved here. Malt provides a perfectly soothing, semi-rich accompaniment to the main mole flavor, a bit of vanilla shows up, some fig and plum too, but that's really all there is to this beer. And that's not to say it's not good, because it is totally good, it's just uncomplicated while offering a strong personality.

The bubble texture/factor is great here; carbonation is certainly present but only in a softer, smoother way. Beer has a thinner texture, but in saying that I mean it feels positively buoyant, not hopelessly thin. Just a bit of stick and we have here a subtly sensational mouthfeel that went from a "meh" first impression to probably my favorite aspect of this beer after several more sips. I dunno, it just works perfectly for the flavors its carrying. Sue me.

I like that the 8.4% (that's what is says on this bottle, 2011 vintage) props up the chili heat, with neither facet overdoing it. This is a different and enjoyable beer that is more subtle than you might expect, and exhibits way more balance than most beers made with chili. Unique and enjoyable all the way.

12-18-2011 21:36:13 | More by Metalmonk
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cokes

Wisconsin

4.28/5  rDev +21.2%

Dark ruby-brown with a moderate beige dome which lasts a but and lays down some lace.
Caramel-chocolate confection nose, with a dash of earthy chili pepper within a sweeter vanilla latte sense of cream and coffee. Some rum-like, molasses-y booze as well. In other words, despite the peppers, this is very sweet and malty.
The mouth is glazed first with vanilla-tinged caramel. Some dark fruits venture in...date, fig, raisin... These are evaporated but the mocha java notion that comes next. Peppers begin around midway, and are sporadic. Light beams of fleshy, earthy, spiciness. It tails off towards brown sugar, molasses and anise, with lingering dark cocoa. Hopping is low, but brings a light grassy bitterness. Alcohol is not low, but not overinflated. Some Brandy or Rum notions appear just prior to the swallow.
Fullish bodied with a steady, minor carbonation. This should be cloying, but it's not, as the small amount of bubbles allow things to gather a bit, but ultimately wash them away.
I've had the bottle and tap versions, and I'd say the tap was a subtly but notable better. If your ready for a malt bomb, this is quite drinkable.
It's a bit refreshing to sampler a beer that is "flavor-oriented" and have it still taste like beer, with beer traits encompassing the intended flavor profile, and leaving the spices and adjuncts as auxiliary. This isn't marinade, it's still beer. And delicious beer. Maybe New Holland can send a rep to Southern Tier to show them how something like this can be pulled off deftly.

05-27-2010 09:04:31 | More by cokes
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RockyTopHeel

North Carolina

4.38/5  rDev +24.1%

Tasted at the CBC Chicago 2010 Rare Beer Tour at Small Bar Division Street.

A deep, ruby-colored brew with minimal head. Aroma of molasses and yeast, like a dark Belgian, with hints of cocoa and pepper.

Taste is deliciously balanced - rum raisins and molasses with cocoa, chile pepper, and sticky toffee. Sweet and sticky, this is a really enjoyable quaff alongside Small Bar's terrific chili.

04-10-2010 23:46:39 | More by RockyTopHeel
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Sammy

Ontario (Canada)

3.7/5  rDev +4.8%

Bottle at Mondiale 2010. Cloudy brown, with a little beige head, lacey. Some sourness, big mocha taste more than coffee. Good taste, would have liked even bolder chile flavour. Lots of lace drops. Above average mouthfeel. Not much aroma. Hidden a.b.v. Decent drinkability.

06-04-2010 19:54:40 | More by Sammy
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Beezee

Illinois

4/5  rDev +13.3%

02-21-2012 05:02:43 | More by Beezee
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NeroFiddled

Pennsylvania

4.22/5  rDev +19.5%

New Holland El Mole Ocho

So where does the name come from? Not the mole, I get that, but the ocho part... ? Ahh, OK, I see it's 8% abv. Hmm, it doesn't taste it. I guess the sweetness throws you off, but if you look for it, sure enough, it's there.

The appearance is interesting. It's got a cloudy russet brown body with golden-orange highlights beneath a short lived head of tan foam. I'd have thought the head would have lasted in a beer that's so rich (22˚Plato/barley wine sized), but OK, perhaps the oils from the cocoa have cut it down.

On to the cloudiness... how do you rate a beer like this? It's a mole beer, so it's OK by me... it's got to be cloudy right? If it wasn't it might look odd. The haze looks a bit like how I think of mole sauce, and I guess I like that.

What about the aroma? Well, it's got some cocoa and some light notes of pepper as well. That's nice. I get some fruit, caramel, and a distant note of creamy coffee as well. The chocolate makes it inviting, and the pepper leaves it interesting.

In the flavor the caramel/cocoa/nuttiness wins out but there's still a bit of fruit and a nice hint of pepper flavor, as well as a nice flicker of spicy heat (I'm not sure how much of that might be coming from alcohol). There's a definite kind of raisin, soft clove, and perhaps cinnamon flavor to it but I'm not sure if that's coming from the yeast, actual spices added to the boil, or just my imagination. It doesn't mention any spice on the label so I wonder if they're using Belgian yeast. I get some coffee in the finish, and that mild roastiness along with the spiciness (be it alcohol or pepper) helps to balance the sweetness of the malt.

In the mouth it's full-medium in body; and moderately zesty on the tongue (at least partially due to alcohol and/or spice).

Interesting... it's a nice "warmer", and it certainly qualifies as a sipper along with a good book, but I really do feel they're correct in stating that this would go well with food - not too much, mind you, but enough to pair and/or contrast the flavors. Or you can enjoy it on its own. Nicely done. Worth trying.

12-14-2011 02:06:34 | More by NeroFiddled
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dirtylou

Washington

3.28/5  rDev -7.1%

on-tap, sheffields in chicago

excited to see this on tap because i was intrigued to try it but knew it wouldnt be good enough to warrant a bomber purchase

appearance: served in a small chalice - dark burgundy-mahogany, very little head

smell: spicy - cocoa, licorice, pepper, holiday spice

taste: fairly abrasive - not really from the alcohol but rather the strong spicy body. Mole is such a complex and diverse sauce, critical to mexican cuisine. Unfortunately, it just doesnt work as a beer - overly spicy, poor use of the chocolate flavor profile. interesting, but no

mouthfeel: hot and spicy

drinkability: ok

07-27-2010 01:37:15 | More by dirtylou
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McNealc31

Ohio

4.25/5  rDev +20.4%

Pours a bit lighter than expected. Rather than being a dark brown, it's closer to a dark iced tea. Fluffy beige head that has not settled a nanometer since the pour. Intense aroma of bitter chocolate, bitter coffee, and chiles. Big, big flavor with the chiles becoming more prominent. The chiles give this a distinct fruitiness, but I am not getting the heat I expected (and wanted) considering how much flavor there is. Mix of bitter chocolate and coffee give the back end a full, round taste and feel.

El Mole Ocho is part of New Holland's High Gravity Series, clocking in at 9.8% ABV. There is not even a hint of alcohol heat here.

Really digging on this beer. Daring flavors, velvety texture, great balance, and unique. My one complaint is that I would like more chile heat. But that's just nitpicking

10-24-2012 00:35:59 | More by McNealc31
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prototypic

Ohio

3.25/5  rDev -7.9%

El Mole Ocho pours a dark copper color. It's crystal clear, and looks deep red when held to light. A soft, off-white head covers the top. It's relatively modest at about a finger in depth. Retention was on the shorter side. Lacing was light. Looks alright.

The nose is intriguing. It kicks off with a cocoa-like chocolate scent. Light caramel is noted, but it doesn't smell very sweet. It smells a little herbal or spicy. I suspect that might be the chili presence. It's subtle and honestly doesn't really add anything positive. Alcohol is definitely present. That about wraps it up. It's not very complex. Rather, it smells very average in just about every sense.

The flavor is actually above average. It features a base mix of caramel and chocolate malts. The chocolate variety tastes like cocoa primarily. There's definitely some caramel here, but it doesn't taste very sweet. The herbal/spicy chili flavor is not very good or interesting. It's just there, and again, doesn't add anything positive. Meh. On the positive side, there is a light coffee flavor, and perhaps a little dark fruit. The spicy aspect also seems to broaden with a light cinnamon flavor. Alcohol is in the mix, and tastes just a little too strong. It also has a warming effect on the way down.

El Mole Ocho has a lighter body that feels too thin and insubstantial. Carbonation is light, but it's far too thin to feel smooth. Pretty average. Drinkability is average. The flavor's okay, but it grows a little tiresome in the second half of the bomber. A 12 oz. bottle would've been a better serving size.

New Holland continues its streak of 'hit and miss' with El Mole Ocho. This one's more of a 'miss' in my book. The overall flavor's alright, but that might be a little generous. It's somewhat boozy, and the flavor gets old somewhat quick. I guess it's worth a try if you're interested, but that's about as far as I can go.

07-23-2010 01:51:53 | More by prototypic
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ebby82

Virginia

1.93/5  rDev -45.3%

I had this beer as part of a sampler at the brewpub.

It had dark brown color with no head when it arrived.

The aroma was of spicy chiles, chocolate, and a little bit of malt.

The taste was rather disgusting. Chiles and chocolate and little else. I tried, but was unable to finish even the little sampler I had.
My wife was similarly disgusted.

I'm not sure who drinks this beer, but more power to them if they enjoy it.

07-17-2011 12:43:15 | More by ebby82
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branimal9

South Carolina

3.9/5  rDev +10.5%

On tap at Barley's Greenville 5/28/2010.

Dark coppery-brown in color, with a small tan head. Smell has that mole aroma you would expect from the name - pepper, chocolate & other spices. Also picking up some estery-ness that I would associate with belgian yeast. Flavor is chocolate and a bit of steely flavor, coupled with peppery-heat bite on the finish. Creamy in texture. Not bad drinkability, despite its high ABV. An interesting and flavorful experience.

06-02-2010 00:31:25 | More by branimal9
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New Holland El Mole Ocho from New Holland Brewing Company
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