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New Holland El Mole Ocho - New Holland Brewing Company

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BA SCORE
80
good

332 Ratings
THE BROS
86
very good

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Ratings: 332
Reviews: 150
rAvg: 3.53
pDev: 16.43%
Wants: 13
Gots: 17 | FT: 0
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New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Herbed / Spiced Beer |  9.79% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: alexgash on 04-04-2010)
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prototypic

Ohio

3.25/5  rDev -7.9%

El Mole Ocho pours a dark copper color. It's crystal clear, and looks deep red when held to light. A soft, off-white head covers the top. It's relatively modest at about a finger in depth. Retention was on the shorter side. Lacing was light. Looks alright.

The nose is intriguing. It kicks off with a cocoa-like chocolate scent. Light caramel is noted, but it doesn't smell very sweet. It smells a little herbal or spicy. I suspect that might be the chili presence. It's subtle and honestly doesn't really add anything positive. Alcohol is definitely present. That about wraps it up. It's not very complex. Rather, it smells very average in just about every sense.

The flavor is actually above average. It features a base mix of caramel and chocolate malts. The chocolate variety tastes like cocoa primarily. There's definitely some caramel here, but it doesn't taste very sweet. The herbal/spicy chili flavor is not very good or interesting. It's just there, and again, doesn't add anything positive. Meh. On the positive side, there is a light coffee flavor, and perhaps a little dark fruit. The spicy aspect also seems to broaden with a light cinnamon flavor. Alcohol is in the mix, and tastes just a little too strong. It also has a warming effect on the way down.

El Mole Ocho has a lighter body that feels too thin and insubstantial. Carbonation is light, but it's far too thin to feel smooth. Pretty average. Drinkability is average. The flavor's okay, but it grows a little tiresome in the second half of the bomber. A 12 oz. bottle would've been a better serving size.

New Holland continues its streak of 'hit and miss' with El Mole Ocho. This one's more of a 'miss' in my book. The overall flavor's alright, but that might be a little generous. It's somewhat boozy, and the flavor gets old somewhat quick. I guess it's worth a try if you're interested, but that's about as far as I can go.

07-23-2010 01:51:53 | More by prototypic
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deereless

Colorado

3.08/5  rDev -12.7%

A: Decent layer of head, deep amber with heavy reds in the beer - 3.50, S: Smells strongly like barbeque chicken, very spicy, lots of chocolate as well as some dark pitted fruits such as plums, I also pick up a slight dark sweetness like raisins or molasses - 3.00, T: Noticeable alcohol burn, dates and figs as well as some chocolate dipped raisins, slightly syrupy, chilies provide a mild prickle on the tongue but it is certainly not a strong flavor, the flavor profile seems to skirt the edges of scotch ale to chili beer - 3.00, M: Medium bodied and somewhat silky - 3.50, D: I really like the concept of this beer, and it is drinkable but it just didn't click with my palate, certainly worth a try - 3.00

07-23-2010 01:10:54 | More by deereless
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atsprings

North Carolina

3.88/5  rDev +9.9%

On-tap at Flying Saucer served in a tulip glass an almost opaque black that shows ruby highlights when held to light. The beer is topped with a thin khaki head. Aroma is slight roasted malts, not much else. The taste is sharp chilies in front of dark malts and cocoa. The beer is on the heavy side of medium with mild corporation. This is certainly an interesting beer, one I'd love to have again.

07-21-2010 22:38:48 | More by atsprings
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TMoney2591

Illinois

3.03/5  rDev -14.2%

Served in a Dogfish Head snifter.

I'm not sure of the translation, so I'm gonna go with "the chocolate eight". Something like that. It pours a pretty much clear ruby brown topped by a short-lived finger of off-white micro-foam. The nose is a lambast of burnt cocoa, backed by a strange melange of toasted caramel, roasted marshmallows, and nicely seered salmon. Something here just doesn't seem right. The taste echoes a bit, starting with some burnt gingerbread and overdone banana bread, followed by some caramelized sugars, mole sauce (just as advertised, I guess), and a finish of smoked nutmeg, coffee, dark chocolate, and cinnamon. I have no idea what to think. It's sorta good and sorta horrible. Wow. The body is a hefty medium, with a moderate carbonation and a strangely dry and almost sticky finish. I like the idea behind this, I suppose, but the execution was thoroughly botched. It's almost drinkable, but not very. worth a try if for nothing else than bragging about the experience (and ticking, of course).

07-18-2010 05:02:49 | More by TMoney2591
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rhoadsrage

Illinois

3.05/5  rDev -13.6%

(served in a nonic) A- This deep walnut brown body is dense with an amber glow and a lumpy tan head that last for a good bit. There are strands of tiny bubbles gliding up the sides of the glass.
S- The brown nougat aroma is full with a soft tootsie roll hint and a faint hint of cinnamon and a bright but dark earthiness in the finish.
T- The brown nougat melanoidin flavor has a soft chili hint and a toffee note that comes through as the beer opens up. The finish has a slight tartness with more of a slightly sweet caramel flavor.
M- This beer has a medium-light mouthfeel with no alcohol heat and a very soft carbonation.
D- The nougaty flavors really overpower everything with they become more offensive when it warms. It started out as an interesting beer but by the second glass I just couldn't bring myself to finish it. Novel concept but I just don't think it translated from paper to bottle.

07-14-2010 15:46:24 | More by rhoadsrage
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klewis

Ohio

3.53/5  rDev 0%

A: Pours a light brown with a thin head. Cloudy with no lacing.

S: Chocolate and caramel with a light chile aroma.

T: Accurate in 'mole' description. Somewhat sweet with a light heat.

M: Medium-bodied with moderate carbonation. Wet and sticky.

D: Decent, but I wasn't as impressed as I expected. Great Divide's Chocolate Yeti is the way to go instead of this beer.

07-09-2010 18:39:40 | More by klewis
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BEERchitect

Kentucky

3.55/5  rDev +0.6%

Why are these chili beers so appealing? Taking beer from standard barley and hop balance to chocolate and chili proves both challenging and compelling for me as well as the brewers.

Bold aromas of caramel and chocolate create the structure for the nose while the chili/vegital/peppery notes leap right off with a lot of zest and intrigue.

Deep copper to medium brown, the beer shows bright clarity below a very froathy off-white head that shows remarkable formation, retention, and lacing.

Base flavors seem to derive from an English Brown Ale (think Newcastle) but with much bolder caramel/toffee tastes as well as chocolate and rich nuttiness. With very low hop contributions, the beer relies on vibrant spices of cinnamon, nutmeg? and chili peppers for complexity, balance, and allure. Lightly vegital behind the chili flavor but doesn't detract from the drinkability.

Mediuum-sweet textures start the session but give way at mid-palate for a drying, warming, and fleeting malty finish. As the malt creaminess fades, the alcohol/chili warmth builds and eventually dominates the finish.

El Mole Ocho reminds me a lot of Theobroma but with a sweeter, more simplified maltiness thus allowing for greater separation from the chili and spice additions.

07-01-2010 16:52:11 | More by BEERchitect
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biggred1

Indiana

4/5  rDev +13.3%

Coffee colored with a creamy, mocha head that leaves some lace on the glass. Dark chocolate and fresh roasted coffee in the aroma with some chile spice notes. Honey, dark chocolate and warm spice with a coffee like bitterness in the finish. Alcohol is well hidden. Smooth with high carbonation. A really nice and different brew.

06-23-2010 19:18:07 | More by biggred1
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Mora2000

Texas

4/5  rDev +13.3%

Thanks to blutt59 for sharing this bottle.

The beer pours a clear red-amber color with an off-white head. The aroma is heavy on the peppers with some earth, dirt and caramel malts. The flavor is fresh green peppers (jalapenos or serranos) with some coffee, chocolate, caramel and earthy hops. Medium mouthfeel and medium carbonation. The overall flavor of this beer is kind of a mess, but I liked it. Definitely an interesting idea from the brewers at New Holland.

06-23-2010 01:09:14 | More by Mora2000
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scruffwhor

Illinois

3.58/5  rDev +1.4%

Pours an orane pekoe tea and cola brown mix. Very little head after the pour and no foam with only bubble rising to the surface once and awhile.

A very foreign, spicey cocoa aroma hits my nostils. Add to that a smokey malt but also maybe a chipotle-like aroma as well.

The taste is a soft spice from smoked peppers. Then some syrupy cocoa adds some darker flavors and a little texture as well. The alcohol adds a punch of warmth that simmers through to the finish.

This is an interesting sipping beer that is best shared with open minded and palated drinking companions.

06-22-2010 02:50:51 | More by scruffwhor
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organicbrewer

Pennsylvania

3.58/5  rDev +1.4%

Vintage 2010

A-Brilliantly clear brown with a low tan head.

S-melanoidins and chocolate. some jalapeno pepper. No hops. Slight ethanol aroma.

T-Malty and carmelly. Milk chocolate, almost like melted ice cream. Slight pepper heat in the back of my mouth (cayanne?). moderate bitterness, no hop flavor. Needs more heat to call itself a mole. Very good otherwise.

M-fairly dense, probably should have picked a cooler day to drink this. Moderate carbonation. No astringency, could use more heat.

D-Good beer (my fault I picked a hot day to drink this), nice balance between malty and chocolate. As I said earlier, this could use more heat. Otherwise it is just chocolate. Still very nice otherwise

06-20-2010 02:15:07 | More by organicbrewer
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jpalarchio

Michigan

3.8/5  rDev +7.6%

Pours a very deep red, very "Double Bastard-like" in color; crystal clear with minimal head.

Smell is difficult to identify and describe. Seems somewhat coffee like if I had to associate it to something.

Taste very much backs up the smell. It's good, I just can't put my finger on it.

Overall, probably couldn't handle more than 1-2 glasses of this. It's a speciality beer so I think that's to be expected.

Another quality brew from New Holland; worth trying for sure.

06-19-2010 21:45:02 | More by jpalarchio
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beerthulhu

New Jersey

3.78/5  rDev +7.1%

A: A deep burgundy red when held against the light revealed a fair clarity and a rapid, medium state of effervesce. The head was slight in statue, short in rentention, dirty cream in color while leaving random patches for a lacing.

S: The nose was malty with an alcohol spiciness of applesauce and nutmeg. A hefty dose of dry cocoa powder also figures into the mix. On the trail was as yeasty character of freshly cut apples and pears along with a close of wet coffee grounds, all which surprisingly worked well together.

T: The flavor starts off malty with a spicy alcohol and habanera pepper twang which brought some heat. Chocolate malts with strong cocoa influences meets a yeasty character of alcohol soaked apples and pears that provide a smooth and complimenting warmth to habanera chili pepper like twang. Sweet grains and dried maple syrup adds some sweetness and light moments to the mix before a warming of moderate proportions finishes things out. Overall warm, malty with a bit of habanera chili twang which all works surprisingly well together here.

M: Love the malty character as well the medium body that had an oily and fluid feel to it when swooshed around the tongue. Warming with a malty residual coating and a dry alcohol heat finishes things up on the swallow.

D: Overall drinkability was moderate, though found this to be quite interesting. Drank a bit warmer then expected from its 8.0% abv nature. A big interpretation of style ultimately subtracts a bit from drinkability.

Overall my best summary of this would be a double Vienna lager maltiness meets the fruitiness and alcohol content of a double bock meets the spicy twang of a chili beer (think rogue chipotle). Definitly doesnt drink like your typical herb/spiced beer which is a good thing.

06-14-2010 23:10:39 | More by beerthulhu
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david131

California

3.45/5  rDev -2.3%

A- A clear, deep ruby red liquid with a very thin and splotchy white head.

S- Chocolate, very sweet caramel, and maybe a hint of hot peppers. Hard to place.

T- Chocolate, sweet caramel, raspberry jam, and just a tad bit of spice. Unique and sweet.

M- Smooth and undercarbonated. There is a lasting alcohol warmth at the end.

D- A unique beer that drinks fairly well. A bit sweet, but unique enough to be memorable.

06-12-2010 01:05:17 | More by david131
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BMoney575

Texas

3.53/5  rDev 0%

Sampled on 6-11-10

Pours a cool blood red color with a filmy white head and almost no lacing.

Smell is sweet and fruity with a peppery edge. A little strange, the peppers add a hart to place earthy, spicy edge.

Taste is sweet and spicy, than the peepers come in. Earthy and slightly smoky, followed by a sweet and nicely bitter finish. The acidity is high, and simulates the pepper spice as it goes down.

Mouthfeel is a little thin, but the carbonation is low. Both add to the sweetness and seem to fit the earthy flavors.

Drinkability is decent, but the sweetness becomes old quickly.

Overall different and worth trying.

06-12-2010 00:35:51 | More by BMoney575
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Katahdin

Pennsylvania

4.75/5  rDev +34.6%

Quite an interesting beer, not sure I've ever had anything similar. The aroma is very earthy like combination of bread and malts but the taste is very different from the aroma. taste has hints of Mexican Chile and Cayenne peppers but blends it with a lingering citrus flavor that balances out and ameliorates the spiciness so you get a smooth pleasant taste that lingers. Goes down very smooth especially for a big beer. Could drink this all night and not tire of it if it weren't for its big alcohol.

06-09-2010 18:32:20 | More by Katahdin
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drpimento

Wisconsin

4/5  rDev +13.3%

Pretty good. Pretty much like they say except there's a notable mineral characteristic. Poured with a nice off white head and lots of lace. Color is a clear mahoganey. Aroma is cocoa malt mineral and a little ripe dark fruit. Flavor is like nose but a hint of the spice added, but not as much as expected. Body is good and ditto carbonation. Finish is decent and of medium lenght.

06-09-2010 04:46:50 | More by drpimento
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farrago

New Jersey

3.98/5  rDev +12.7%

Close to a half finger of dark tan color, the bubbles don't seem that loosely knit but the head's gone in a few seconds, there is a little stickiness to the lacing though. Curiously, while the liquid is actually fairly clear, the grimy reddish-brown color more reminiscent of clay-based mud, more zinc orange hues brighten the rims. Huge jelly roll of milk chocolate, caramel and toffee dominates the nose, that said, cumin, paprika spices present along with a tiny pinch of cayenne pepper, these elements occluded by bodacious prune, plum, black grape, raisin, black cherry fruit scents, if you have the patience you might be able to get some charcoal dust and peat moss, overall the nose gets the "truth in advertising" award vis-à-vis the label. Full-bodied and close to heavy, the sheer mass of it pushes the carbonation off the tongue and outwards towards your cheeks. Oodles and oodles of chocolate, accompanied by butterscotch and caramel, could be sold in the candy aisle as much as the beer aisle. The "Mexican spiciness" gets sort of lost in the shuffle here, if anything more heat than flavor. Focus teases out orange citrus, granola and scone notes. This is a very enjoyable "sipper" that does not deviate much from the script, arguably for the best.

06-09-2010 03:38:20 | More by farrago
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mdfb79

New York

3.28/5  rDev -7.1%

From 5/21/10 notes. Had at a local DC tasting.

a - Pours a dark amber brown with a little bit of tan head.

s - Smells of sour and bready malts.

t - Taste of dark fruits, fruity and bready malts, and both sweet and spicy at the same time.

m - Medium body and high carbonation.

d - An ok spiced beer. Wasn't a big fan of the smell but the taste was interesting. Probably wouldn't seek out again.

06-09-2010 03:08:55 | More by mdfb79
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branko7

Illinois

3.9/5  rDev +10.5%

A warm, reddish brown color. Mild head retention. Smells like sweet paprika. The taste is unlike any other beer I've had: starts a bit sweet, savory and peppery. Then into caramel and burnt malts (perhaps coffee). There's a bit of hops in the back. A complex and interesting taste. You can feel the alcohol, though it's not overpowering.

An interesting beer that I'd try again.

06-09-2010 01:12:00 | More by branko7
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scottyshades

Florida

2.93/5  rDev -17%

A: Pours a nice opaque mahogany color with a small khaki color head. Retention is OK.

S: Ehh...Strong notes of vinegar right off the bat. Lots of dark fruits in combination with Mexican spices. Chocolate is present too.

T: A big vinegar-like sourness comes through and seem to meet the spices and dark fruit in an interesting way. Lots of pepper(s), fig, prune, and chocolate (or cocoa powder). Interesting...

MF/D: Good feel to it, medium in body with a little viscosity, creamy going down. Sourness is a little distracting. Not sure if I will re-visit this one.

06-07-2010 20:14:51 | More by scottyshades
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Sammy

Ontario (Canada)

3.7/5  rDev +4.8%

Bottle at Mondiale 2010. Cloudy brown, with a little beige head, lacey. Some sourness, big mocha taste more than coffee. Good taste, would have liked even bolder chile flavour. Lots of lace drops. Above average mouthfeel. Not much aroma. Hidden a.b.v. Decent drinkability.

06-04-2010 19:54:40 | More by Sammy
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branimal9

South Carolina

3.9/5  rDev +10.5%

On tap at Barley's Greenville 5/28/2010.

Dark coppery-brown in color, with a small tan head. Smell has that mole aroma you would expect from the name - pepper, chocolate & other spices. Also picking up some estery-ness that I would associate with belgian yeast. Flavor is chocolate and a bit of steely flavor, coupled with peppery-heat bite on the finish. Creamy in texture. Not bad drinkability, despite its high ABV. An interesting and flavorful experience.

06-02-2010 00:31:25 | More by branimal9
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tavernjef

Minnesota

4.28/5  rDev +21.2%

Dark deep reddish rosey brown and clear with a nearly purple tone to it in most light. A medium smallish capping of dark ivory foam lifts slightly for a bit then slips down to some hair thin strings of lace.

Aroma is soft and supple with a dark fruity waft that's more of a mix of things then a few things sticking out and dominating. It's purple grapey, pear, pruney, cranberry, darkly nutty, juicy sweet, and altogether not all that beery, but just barely has that caption of what could be considered more of something like a malt beverage?
That said I still like it as it reminds me of some of the English Browns and Old Ales out there.

Taste is moderately sweet, dark, and rounded in a complex medley of mixing flavors. Again, much like the smell, it has no real distinguishing flavors that stand out on their own. Like eating a Holiday fruit bread? Darkly sweet and semi bready with tiny nuances of prune, mango, and fig tang, ever so slight sourness of cranberry and dark grapes. Some pear and golden raisin sink in with bigger vanilla making an appearance late. A small tone of chocolate(cocoa), molasses, and more of the vanilla kind of wrap it all together into a warming rummy-like girth. Uniquely warm aand kind of spicy with a very low toned pepperyness.

Body is bold, smooth, darkly soft with tang and fruit juicyness and fairly girthy as it reaches into some warming booozyness of what I assume is a whole lot of malts. Has a certain low ended bite of carbonation upon midway that helps create some eagerness way in back of the palate.

Its a very good sipper with a whole lot of complexity to it. Subtle. Wholesome. Unique. Yum!
I quite liked it. Something to really sit back with and explore. Doppelbock meets English Barleywine spiced with milding chili peppers. New Holland has a winner here with its High Gravity Series. Looking forward to seeing what's next in this series...

06-02-2010 00:11:05 | More by tavernjef
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Bung

Michigan

3.88/5  rDev +9.9%

22 oz. Lighter brown amber pour of sorts. Just a thin layer of off white head.

Aroma certainly has the cocoa. A spiciness to it as well.

Very chocolatey flavors. Some vegetal peat and leather like just barely there. Also just a hint of smoked pepper, more so in the finish and in the throat.

It just a bit sweet, so I'm not sure how much I would really want to drink of this. But it goes down easy and smooth.

Really quite interesting and worth trying.

05-31-2010 04:52:58 | More by Bung
New Holland El Mole Ocho from New Holland Brewing Company
80 out of 100 based on 332 ratings.