Rye P.A. Hatter - New Holland Brewing Company

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Reviews: 112
Hads: 322
rAvg: 3.76
pDev: 13.56%
Wants: 8
Gots: 24 | FT: 0
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New Holland Brewing Company visit their website
Michigan, United States

Style | ABV
Rye Beer |  6.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: fear025 on 07-02-2010

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Photo of hooliganlife
3.73/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

pours a bright copper, thick creamy head, nice retention.

light citrus hop, more of a dominating sweet malt. light spice.

very sweet and malty, light rye spice carries. light citrus and grapefruit hops. some earth and resin pine.

light to moderate carbonation. fairly full body.

overall, pretty decent. well balanced. (321 characters)

Photo of Monkeyknife
4/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from the bottle a clear dark amber color with a thin and sticky ivory head. A good amount of lacing left behind.

Aroma of rye and sweet caramel malts along with light hints of fresh cut grass and citrus.

Orange and grapefruit open followed by caramel malts and a hearty amount of rye. Finished clean.

Medium bodied and creamy with a lighter carbonation.

I really liked this Rye IPA from the folks at New Holland. Well balanced and very tasty. (453 characters)

Photo of IAmJacksHopTongue
3.4/5  rDev -9.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Note: According to New Holland website, this beer is not retired but will be made again (next ship May 2013).

2012 Vintage poured into a snifter-type glass.

A little disappointed in the smell; seems like a standard pale ale or even with low hops. Nice white foam with lacing on the sides after the head dissipates. Color is nice copper.

Taste is pretty good, but nothing to write home about. Mouthfeel seemed medium-light; lots of carbonation.

Overall, I find myself wondering if I've let this get too old and it's lost some of the flavor (7 months old; kept in a refrigerator for a few months and the rest in wine/beverage cooler at 45 degrees). Either way, I'd prefer Red's Rye (one of my favorite beers). I wouldn't be offended if someone served this to me at their house, but I don't think I'll buy it again. (820 characters)

Photo of jsprain1
4.03/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A- Hazy red copper. Head is one finger white, retains pretty well and leaves several wisps of lacing.
S- The smell is a bit lacking in the rye for me. Has a nice juicy citrus aroma, that under most circiumstances would be considered good, but the rye is really lacking here for me.
T- What I said about the aroma does not apply to the taste! It still strikes me as an IPA that has a second-fiddle rye, but I like the combo of flavors here. Citrus and woody hops pair well with an earthy, slightly spicy rye. Good flavors here.
M- At first it struck me as a bit chewy, but the carbonation is a bit strong and on the whole I would call this a dry finishing beer.
O- The flavors are spot on. I would like a bit more rye on the nose, but still a strong effort. (756 characters)

Photo of FightingEntropy
4/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

New Holland is a great brewery that produces one of my all time favorites: Dragon's Milk. Mad Hatter IPA is their flagship brew, though I haven't always liked it. But, Mad Hatter has always been zany with randalized, dry hopped and other versions at festivals. For their 15th Anniversary, New Holland is hatterizing seven different version of their flagship.

I came across Rye Hatter at Chicone's and couldn't pass up the new version. Hazy copper ale with an off white head that builds quickly and lingers. Nose is an assertive hop blend with a pungent rye note. In the taste, the rye battles with the hops for supremacy over a caramel sweetness that attempts to balance but comes up short. Dry finish keeps the rye and hop lingering in the mouth.

A good beer that's an overflowing punch of flavor that I'm enjoying for tonight, but I probably won't pick up another bottle of it. (883 characters)

Photo of DavoleBomb
3.58/5  rDev -4.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a perfect pint.

4.0 A: Moderately hazed orange amber color. Two fingers of frothy beige head. Retention is pretty good and tons of lacing is left.

3.5 S: Citrusy hops with emphasis on orange, mango, and papaya. Caramel sweetness to accompany the bready maltiness. Not a whole lot of rye in the nose, but enough to add a touch of earthy spiciness. Earthy hoppiness secondary to the citrus and herbal underneath that. Equivalent balance between malts and hops. Good.

3.5 T: Again equal balance between hops and malts. Citrusy orange and mango with earthy undertones. Mild bitterness. Caramel sweetness with breadiness from the malts and yeast. Rye is more apparent in the taste giving the earthy spiciness that it does. Again, good.

4.0 M: Heavier medium body. Good moderate carbonation. Good creaminess and quite smooth.

3.5 D: Quality beer with no real faults, but not really that impressive. I think more rye would have given this more of an edge over a standard IPA. (986 characters)

Photo of keepersj12
4/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pale ale like in aroma, taste and feel. Medium body, crisp and clean. Pours amber with a white head. The aroma is malty sweet with caramel, bread and yeast. The flavor has a nice bite, yet is very smooth and refreshing. A little bit of pepper and a bitter finish. Nice one. (273 characters)

Photo of BarryMFBurton
3.41/5  rDev -9.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Farmhouse Hatter was pretty good, but nothing spectacular; here’s hoping the rye will be better.

Brewed sometime earlier this year (“Vintage 2012” on the back of the bottle).

A: Pale orange with a creamy, foamy head; impressively dense retention with fairly thick (yet sparse) lacing. The solid appearance of the head gives it a very full look.

S: Roasted barley and dark (not spicy) rye are the main event, coming in smooth with aromas of earthy caramel, light pumpernickel, cereal, and a nutty, carrot cake sweetness. The malts smell a bit old and flat, not pleasant like a good malt-forward IPA. It probably doesn’t help that the hops aren’t there, either, showing only a hint of lemony bite.

T: Thankfully, the palate has more hop tastes than the nose would suggest, which certainly helps the balance. Still, musty malt and mildly spicy rye flavors are the main event here, showing the same cereal, earthy sweetness, caramel, and mild pumpernickel. Prickly, dry pine and floral bitters from the hops lay right on top of that maltiness, lightening it up to a more drinkable, citrusy, peppery palate. Finishes flowery and dry.

M: Oily and chewy, with a bit of dry bite to it. Not a single thin element to this body.

O: Not as good as the Farmhouse Hatter, but still alright. With all these variations, I’d be happy to try the standard Hatter – there’s nothing like an original. (1,401 characters)

Photo of jeremyd365
4.47/5  rDev +18.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a darker amber with a thick foamy white head, light carbonation. Hoppy smell with light citrus hints. Mouthfeel is medium bodied and the flavor is a nice hoppy goodness and not at all overpowering. I find many ryes too strong, but this is quite delicious and drinkable. (275 characters)

Photo of hopsolutely
3.58/5  rDev -4.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a clear & bright, almost luminescent, orange amber with impressive off-white head and lacing. Many small bubbles and high level of carbonation lead to an enjoyable mouthfeel.

Aroma is more barley malt-forward than I would have chosen, with emphasis on the caramelized sweetness. The flavour expands into some nice "c" hop citrus elements, with an underlying rye backbone in the finish.

A very nice Rye P.A. and one I'd drink again, but unlike "The Poet", I wouldn't travel to New Holland, MI to get more. (512 characters)

Photo of StoutHunter
3.68/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

I picked up a bottle of New Holland's Rye P.A. Hatter yesterday for $5.99 at The Lager Mill. I am not a fan of Mad Hatter but I thought I would take a chance on the rye version so let's see how it goes. 2012 vintage, no visible bottling date. Poured from a brown 22oz bottle into a imperial pint glass.

A- I like the label on this beer, it's nicely done and it's better looking then Mad Hatter's label. It poured a nice darker orange color that looked a little brighter when held to the light and it had a slight copper tint to it. It had two and a half fingers worth of off white head that died down to a thin layer that stayed till the end and left a little lacing. This was a good looking beer, I really liked color of this beer.

S- The first thing I notice in the aroma is a good amount of rye that imparts some spice rye aromas followed by a light peppercorn like aroma. After that comes the hops which impart a grassy and grapefruit like aroma. Towards the end come come malts and a little more rye that imparts some bready, grainy, and slightly caramel like aroma. The aroma was good, but I wish the hops stuck out a little more to balance out the rye.

T- The taste is pretty similar to the aroma, but it seems to be a little more balanced, it starts off with a good amount of spicy rye that isn't overpowering and is followed by some slightly sweet malts that impart some bready, grainy, and caramel like flavors. Towards the end comes the hops which are earthy, grassy, and citrusy, with grapefruit rinds sticking out the most. On the finish it had a medium amount of bitterness with a spicy and hoppy aftertaste. This beer tasted good, the flavors were nicely balanced with none of them being overpowering.

M- Pretty smooth, slightly creamy, dry finish, on the thin side of being medium bodied, with a good amount of medium carbonation. The mouthfeel was pretty average, it was just to thin for the style.

Overall I thought this was an ok beer and an above average example of the style, it's not the best rye IPA, but it certainly isn't the worst. This beer had good drinkability, it was pretty smooth and the flavors held my attention, one bomber would be just the right amount. What I liked most about this beer was the appearance and taste, they were both good and the hi light of this beer. What I liked least about this beer was the mouthfeel, it was going in the right direction but when it got to the body it was just to thin, just like Mad Hatter. I don;t think I would buy this beer again, I can think of a couple of Rye IPA's that I would rather have, but I would still recommend giving it a try. All in all this beer was better then I expected, I don't like Mad Hatter so I didn't think I would like this one, but it wasn't bad, but it did suffer from the same thing that Mad Hatter had with a thin body that doesn't work well with this beer, but it was good enough to get people that don't like IPA's to drink it so I have to give it credit. This was a decent beer, but nothing too memorable, I might just have to check out the rest of the series to see if there's anymore surprises. (3,110 characters)

Photo of FosterJM
3.83/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

1468th Review on BA
Bottle to Speigleau small tulip
22oz

2012 Vintage
Purchased for $4.99 at Binny's Naperville, IL

App- A dual colored orange with a deeper copper tinge on the inside. A good off white head formed and was pretty quick to recede. The lace doesnt keep but falls with an egg white froth. Nice density on the coloring.

Smell- When you 1st smell you get a lot of creamy Rye. As more notes develop its mostly the dry hopping matched with a thicker caramel hop citrus with lending itself to a pine after aroma.

Taste- A bit of an unbalanced profile with regards to the dry hopping. Makes this take on more prickly notes and drowning out the Rye. Much more pine and citrus rind take over. As in the nose, more caramel matched with a thick bitter note. Its good but feel the Rye needs to come out more.

Mouth- A lighter medium body with a medium prickly carbonation. Overall residual flavors from pine, resin and citrus rind keep it funky but again due to dry hopping and taking away from Rye creaminess.

Drink- Its flavorful but not what I consider a Rye beer. Small timid rye is unbalanced from the dry hopping and too much bitter. Needs to replace dry hopping with more Rye to update spice and creamy flavors. (1,226 characters)

Photo of beerthulhu
3.38/5  rDev -10.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Dark coppery-orange shows a good level of carbonation. A sturdy 1 finger oatmeal tinted head has a bit of sheen to it, is rocky and porous, and holds rather steady for a lengthy amount of time. End of drink covering doesn't leave much on the glass in terms of lacing.

S: Soft rye, soft citrus-pine comes with a low level of aroma.

T: Spicy rye, peppercorn, pine toasted bread crust with a dry caramel grain backing. Spicy, peppery caramel finish.

M: Good level of carbonation is detected on the tongue. Spicy peppery presence warms the inner cheeks. Light malt feel turns frothy on the hold leaving a bit of peppery fade behind and some alcohol warmth.

O: Ok drinkability, flavor shows flashes of peppery caramel spiciness, and a good amount of alcohol which unfortunately covers the rye contribution at times. (821 characters)

Photo of WoodBrew
4.42/5  rDev +17.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2012 Vintage. Poured a slightly hazy orange-ish color with an off white head. In the aroma, a fresh grapefruit like hops and a small rye presence. In the taste, dry notes of rye, mellow grapefruit like hops. A small hop bite and medium bodied mouthfeel, with a dry rye and small hop citrus in the aftertaste. Overall this was a very good beer and will search for more. (368 characters)

Photo of garymuchow
3.86/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Nice fresh C's hops. At least initially minimal malt presentation and no sense of rye.
Attractive amber, slightly cloudy. Big full rich head.
Nice little spice to the flavor from the rye. Not overdone. Well balanced malt flavors with a pushing bitterness that near excess, but backs off just enough.
Moderate body and some fullness to the carbonation.
Drinks pretty easily. There is noting Wow about this, but it's a good basic beer.
Thanks younger brother. (458 characters)

Photo of GRPunk
3.9/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

22 oz bottle of 2012 vintage poured into a Duvel tulip.

A- even a delicate pour created a dense, deep khaki head of 2-1/2 fingers. this rested atop a clean copper body with loads of carbonation emanating from the nucleation site at the bottom of the glass. Retention was at 1-finger and left awesome sticky rings on the glass.

S- hoppy/rye goodness at the crack of the cap. Underlying sweet, malty goodness comes off as brown sugar and really brings a good balance. Rye is very distinct. It all comes together as organic and herbal.

T- much as aroma implies. Solid hops and rye work together, though the hopping kind of steals the show by just a touch. I'd like to see a bit more rye. Very dry finish is herbal/aspirin-like and seems a bit harsh.

M- moderate body evens out the heavy carbonation. Hops are dry and somewhat biting.

O- Founders Reds Rye is my benchmark for the style. While this falls a little short, it's still quite solid. $4.49 for the bottle is a pretty good buy. Cap says "lay.". A nap does sound good right now. (1,037 characters)

Photo of barnzy78
4/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Vintage 2012.
{I do want to point out that I had an infected bottle of Vintage 2011 last year. Given New Holland's quality of beer, I knew this should have been better than it was and I was excited to see it on the shelves again this year. $4.99 a bottle makes it worth the retry.}

Retry:

22oz bottle, poured into my New Holland 20oz glass. Ale is hazy copper with a tall, frothy off-white head tat holds great retention and leaves lots of chunky lacing on the glass. Aromas are citrus, grapefruit, caramel, fresh pine, floral hop, lemon zest, faint rye in the background. Tastes are complex and juicy with earthy, spicy, peppery rye on the forefront, followed by caramel, toasted grain, pine, and grapefruit. Some faint acetylsalicylic acid on the finish also. Mouth-feel is medium bodied, and the piny hop resins coat the palate and linger on the finish. Overall, I am now satisfied with this beer, and glad I didn't write it off. I love rye beers and was very disappointed after last year's run. This was good, and exactly what I was expecting from New Holland. (1,067 characters)

Photo of JackieTH
3.68/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Poured dark copper with an inch of loose off-white foam. Smell is earthy, rye, spicy with mild background elements of caramel malt.

Taste is pleasantly bitter, noticeable rye elements, it's a little spicy. Floral notes. Transient malt elements do not quench the lingering hop bitterness.

In my opinion, the main negative aspect of this beer is the mouthfeel. It's a bit too thin, and light, and seems to fall apart across the tongue.

Overall, this one has solid positive elements going for it including a nice spicy hop bitterness however the lack of a solid crafted body really is a bit disappointing. (605 characters)

Photo of hardy008
3.7/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a hazy dark amber color with a 3 finger off white head, with very good retention and lacing. The aroma has grapefruit, citrus zest, rye, and caramel. Smells somewhat sweet.

The taste is mildly sweet with a good amount of bitterness. Not overly bitter though. There is grapefruit, oranges, citrus zest, rye, caramel, spice, and pine. Some of the flavors are light, and not easy to detect.

Medium bodied with average carbonation. Has a bit of a grapefruit aftertaste. I am glad I decided to try this. Not as good as the Black Hatter in my opinion, but still good. Worth buying again. (589 characters)

Photo of tdm168
4.03/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - orangish amber with a big, white, soft, thick head that has great retention

S - citrusy, faintly spicy, earthy

T - spicy, floral, piny, earthy, bitter, faint bread, peppery

M - medium bodied, smooth, well carbonated

This is a really nice, smooth, peppery rye ipa. I would have preferred a more citrusy hop character to go along with the spicy rye, but this hop character does it's job and is nicely balanced. It's definitely worth a try. (445 characters)

Photo of Humulus85
4.38/5  rDev +16.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

My first of the modified Hatter IPAs. From the foiled 22oz bottle into my Darkness snifter. 2012 vintage.

Pours a vibrant hazy copper. A solid two-finger, cream head displayed excellent retention and super sticky lacing.

Sweet and spicy rye upfront with a solid citrus/piney hop backing. Nothing crazy complex, but a very nice smelling brew.

Spicy/biscuity rye upfront melds with a nice citrus hop middle, these two flavors really play off each other nicely. More caramel malt in the back, and a whiff of alcohol in the finish. Moderate bitterness throughout that lingers in the aftertaste.

Medium in body. Creamy texture coats the mouth well and is balanced by moderate carbonation. Dry in the finish. Very drinkable.

Overall this is a great twist on the standard Mad Hatter. I am partial to rye beers, but this is an excellent example of the style. As intended, the hops initially take a backseat to the complex malt profile but come roaring back in the finish to let you know this is still a hoppy beer. Well done New Holland. Recommended to any fan of rye beers or IPAs. Cheers! (1,090 characters)

Photo of JoEBoBpr
3.9/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a pint glass from a 22oz bottle.

Pours a clean strong copper color with some orange hues. There is a nice 1 inch frothy sticky head that forms and recedes very slowly. It leaves a nice sticky lacing on the sides. The head is slightly off-shite and pretty dense.

Aroma is delicious. Spicy rye hints mixed in with some grainy and bready malt. This is underlain by some nice slight caramel notes and bready undertones. Good slight piney hop notes on teh back end of the nose give it an aromatic and "outdoorsy" note. Nice and earthy.

Flavor starts off with some nice grainy spice. Nice earthy tones with some good bready malt tones as well. Grassy and herbal tasting with nice slight citrus and pine notes rounding out the palette. There is a nice bitter middle to it that is intermingled with the spice notes. Very nice. Slight caramel notes on the back end that get finished off by some citrus and bitterness as well. Crisp and clean. Pretty light and easy to drink.

Solid Rye Beer. nice spicy notes with a good mix of caramel form the malt and some solid hops backing it up. A bit on the midl side though unlike Founders take on it. (1,148 characters)

Photo of Florida9
3.45/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Gusher! Glad I opened this one in the kitchen because I had to rush it over the sink. Beer itself is a very cloudy rusty colored orange in color. Unsurprisingly, this one forms a huge bubbly head that requires three pours to get a full glass. Lots of lacing.

S: Smells pretty good, a rather potent combination of spicy rye and heavy floral notes.

T: Taste is a bit off, but given the age in this it remains surprisingly hop forward. Not saying his a hop bomb, but lots of spicy floral hops and even more spicy rye. The off flavor presents itself as a sort yeasty Saison quality, slightly tart, but not quite sour. Spicy on the finish.

M: Medium bodied. Heavy carbonation. Dry and spicy on the finish.

O: This beer is probably past it's prime, but it's not bad. However between it being gusher and the slight funk I wonder if something is developing in this beer that shouldn't be. (890 characters)

Photo of BMMillsy
3.05/5  rDev -18.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

This would not stop foaming and overflowing from the bottle. Pours dark reddish color, some ruby brown coming through the edges, with a big fluffy head of course. Smell is funky and spicy with a definite rye presence, light grass hops, and yeastyness. Something off about the flavor without much hop bitterness, some rye spice, yeast funk, very light watered down malts. Relatively light bodied with lots of bubbles. Not a huge fan of this one. Seems muddled. (459 characters)

Photo of SickGnar
3.57/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A: Some gusher action on the pour. Warm, robust, slightly-dark copper. A bit of haze. Lots of streams of bubbles rising to an immensely huge cream-colored head of coarse big bubbled foam. Really good retention and quite fair lace.

S: Pineapple, tropical fruit, grapefruit, & other citrus – quite a fruity/floral/citrus hop blend. Not pungent, but reasonably fragrant. Caramelly sweet, toasty grain malts in the background with a soft and vague hint of spicy rye. Some esters in addition to the fruitiness from the hops.

T: Opens with firm hops. Lots of bitterness and forceful background rustic / rough grassy character. After the initial punch calms, then notes of oranges, general citrus, tropical fruit, and grapefruit appear and slowly fade to pine, citrus peel, & resin. Malts also make a fast showing. In the lead is a sugary sweetness that is emphatically & quickly pushed aside by spicy & earthy rye. Backbone is mostly bready with some caramel and toasty grain. Softens and rounds out as it warms.

M: Barely medium body with firm carbonation (a touch over-matched). Quite attenuated. Most of what texture there is comes from hop tannins. Strongly hop drying finish. Feel gets a touch better as it warms & off-gasses some CO2.

D: Very firm rye & not as hoppy as I had hoped , and quite dry as well with hardly a hint of the malty, caramelly goodness I tend to like in an IPA. But then that is not all that surprising considering the bottle I have is probably nearing a year old & appears to have dried out (and carbed up a bit) in the bottle. It is still a very flavorful & interesting drinking hoppy rye beer. Perhaps a bit rough around the edges at this point, but quite okay. Hopefully I someday get the chance to try a fresh sample. (1,750 characters)

Rye P.A. Hatter from New Holland Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 112 ratings.