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Red Thunder - Victory Brewing Company

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BA SCORE
87
very good

451 Ratings
THE BROS
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Ratings: 451
Reviews: 96
rAvg: 3.89
pDev: 11.05%


Brewed by:
Victory Brewing Company visit their website
Pennsylvania, United States

Style | ABV
Baltic Porter |  8.50% ABV

Availability: Winter

Notes/Commercial Description:
Aged in Wente Vineyards red wine barrels.

(Beer added by: confer on 11-23-2012)
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Morey

Pennsylvania

4.5/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: Reddish-Brown in the glass (perhaps a bit thin for the style).

Aroma: Big dry red wine notes, subtle roasted char, dry.

Taste: Huge notes of dry red wine. Subtle roasty flavors underneath.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with low to moderate carbonation.

Morey's Bottom Line: This is an Amazing beer IMO. I feel that it's underrated in a big way.

Full Review here.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfsXFnzKTto

Serving type: bottle

02-21-2013 23:37:17 | More by Morey
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Oakenator

Pennsylvania

4.5/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: On the lighter side for a porter, but still a deep brown with a hint of amber. Off colored head is ample at pour but retains well for a strong beer. Solid lacing.

S: Malt and wine grape smell. Nice twist.

T: Dark, sweet malt and wine barrel presence definitely. Nice mix of quality porter in the red wine barrell.

M: Relatively medium bodied for a barrel aged brew.

O: Really enjoyable and wish I had bought more.

Serving type: bottle

05-27-2013 22:20:39 | More by Oakenator
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Gryphon69

Michigan

4.4/5  rDev +13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

750 bomber
8-7-2013

A- Pours a dark brown with a deep red hue, has a off white head that fades fast but leaves a ring around the glass, light lacing up the sides. Visible small bubbles up the sides.

S- When I brought it out of the 18degree truck it was mostly Oak, smoke and wine. After it warmed to room temp - Dark roasted malts, strong oak, burnt sugar, some smoke, some vanillas. Much better warm.

T- Much like the nose but strong oak up front with a nice earthiness at the finish, taste is pretty damn good, all sorts off stuff going on. Not much alcohol presence.

M- Very easy to drink, medium to full body with a soft smooth feel that borders creamy. Not as much bubbles as was seen in the glass imo.

O- Victory is still keeping my interest, and this beer is wonderful. From the deep oak aromas to the full body taste, they have put out a damn good drink with this one. I plan on going and getting a few more for my shelf and would suggest you do the same lol.

Serving type: bottle

01-09-2014 04:36:52 | More by Gryphon69
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wisrarebeer

Wisconsin

4.39/5  rDev +12.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: deep dark copper/dark brown color, very nice thick rocky head, tan head
S: mild to medium nose, malt with some tannins noticeable from wine, almost like a Baltic Porter with some lambic undertones
T: nicely done, deep roasted chocolate malt, underlying tannins from wine
M: creamy and highly drinkable for ABV

Serving type: bottle

02-10-2013 14:13:54 | More by wisrarebeer
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Darkmagus82

Virginia

4.35/5  rDev +11.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Poured from corked 750 ml bottle into a snifter

Appearance – The beer pours an almost deep brown, bordering on black color with a one finger of tan colored head. The head has a decent level of retention, fading to leave a light level of bubbly lace on the sides of the glass.

Smell – The aroma of the beer is quite heavy of a roasted malt smell as well as some other darker aromas of cocoa and some sweet buttery toffee. Along with the these smells are some notes darker fruits mixed with a big red wine smell and a little bit of a woody aroma which with the roasted, dark and sweeter smells produces a nice warming aroma overall.

Taste – The taste begins with a roasted malt flavor with some bready flavors and a rather strong caramel and toffee taste. Upfront there is also a nice chocolate flavor that is soon nicely complemented by some flavors of vanilla and some darker fruit flavors of raisin, plum, and prune. The red wine that was detected in the nose starts coming to the tongue more toward the middle of the taste, with it growing stronger as the flavor moves on to the end of the taste. The red wine flavor never gets too strong through and hence just adds nice subtle grapey notes all while not adding the off tannin flavors that are experienced with a higher level of red wine flavor. The grape red wine taste complements wonderfully the roasted flavors, the other darker fruit flavors, as well as the chocolate flavors of the brew. A little bit of a woody flavor develops right at the end of the taste and when mixed with all the wonderfully robust porter and nice subtle red wine flavors, it leaves one with a very robust and warming flavor to linger on the tongue.

Mouthfeel – The body of the beer is on the thicker and creamier side with a carbonation level that is on the lower side. The lower carbonation and thicker body are wonderful for the roasted and sweeter dark flavors of the brew, allowing all the tastes to linger on the tongue all while bringing out the more subtle wine flavors and accentuating them nicely, allowing them to meld in a very nice fashion with the big Baltic flavors.

Overall – Fantastic!! I quite liked Baltic Thunder by Victory, and after the aging in the wine barrels, it only gets better. The combination of the big robust porter flavors with that of a subtle but pleasant red wine flavor really creates a wonderfully tasty and enjoyable drink.

Serving type: bottle

03-17-2014 00:42:11 | More by Darkmagus82
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jhartley

Pennsylvania

4.28/5  rDev +10%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Cork and caged 750ml. bottle poured into a poco grande flute glass.

A-Poured a ruby red to brown color with a tan 1 finger head which had real nice tight bubbles but it dissipated quickly.

S-Cherries, booze, coffee, really picking up on the red wine and something like leather.

T-Decent porter and wine flavors from the barrel. Real light sweet and tart cherry flavors. Smells boozy but I don't really pick up on as much as the smell implies. Really starts to come into its own as it warms.

M-Nice and dry finish with a lingering red wine flavor. Sweet, but not cloying

O- I really like this beer. I wasn't able to get any of the Dark Intrigue release last year and was happy to hear that Victory and produced a lot more of this so it would be out in a larger distribution for a longer period of time. I really like the red wine flavors matched with the porter, it's awesome to see Victory trying more with barrel aging.

Serving type: bottle

01-12-2013 20:41:14 | More by jhartley
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horshamguy

Pennsylvania

4.28/5  rDev +10%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

750 ml bottle poured into a pint glass.

A--Dark brown, almost to the point of black, but when tilted and held to a light, it was brown. Creamy, tan head that dissipated quickly and left no real lacing.

S--Cocoa, cherries & maltiness are foremost on the nose. A bit of coffee and some alcohol/booziness are noticable.

T--Some cherry cordial. A minimal amount of burnt malts. A bit tannic/oaky. Excellent, excellent stuff.

M--Creamy with good carbonation. Pretty heavy, but still makes me want more.

O--Tremendous. Another home run for Victory. If it wasn't 8.5%, I'd drink this all day/night long.

Serving type: bottle

10-14-2013 19:44:15 | More by horshamguy
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Fcolle2

Illinois

4.25/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Pours a dark cloudy brown with some deep crimson color coming out near the bottom of the snifter. Head is a thin tan film over te top that fades to a ring around the edges.

Aroma has lots of oaky barrel aromas forward. Wood is the first to hot followed by some vanilla tannins from the barrel. Very faint tart smelling dark fruit is hard to miss before a big chocolate malt presence finishes with a mild earthiness.

Taste follows the aroma. There is a solid oaky barrel presence forward followed by a much more mellow vanilla tannin and good amount of acidity from the dark fruit. chocolate malt is on the finishes with a good cocoa flavor, mild amounts of detectable alcohol and more acidity from wine.

Mouthfeel is good. Medium bodied, medium carbonation and some bitterness from the charred malt are all balanced nicely.

Serving type: bottle

04-10-2014 00:04:36 | More by Fcolle2
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emerge077

Illinois

4.24/5  rDev +9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

More Flanders-style than the the base Baltic Porter, and pretty nice actually.

Reddish brown in the glass, dark but with good clarity. Thin layer of tan foam on the surface with minimal lace. Foam has a creamy surface texture and a slight audible crackle as it ebbs away.

Funky barrel aromas of leather and wet wood, toasted staves, a little roast malt from the base at room temperature.

Tart and tannic, plenty of dry oak barrel character, some vinous berry and leather, red wine and roast malt are seamlessly blended. Super dry tannic aftertaste with a hint of grape. Medium bodied, supple carbonation. A nice wild sipper.

Serving type: bottle

03-10-2013 04:57:50 | More by emerge077
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stephens101

Oklahoma

4.24/5  rDev +9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

A tawny head floats solid across this black brew. Some crimson streaks are seen at the edges.

A panoply of dark fruits including cherry, plum and raisin float up to the nose. Underneath lies oak and slightly vinous notes. Burnt sugar, caramel and toffee are also noticed. Very complex and promising.

Burnt sugar, toffee, slivers of oak and ripened dark fruits lay down thick across the tongue followed by cocoa, vanilla and spice. Bitterness is there, but as warranted.

A big bodied sipper that goes down fairly smooth and viscous. The perfect start to a snow day.

Serving type: bottle

12-07-2013 22:17:22 | More by stephens101
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jjchristiano

New Jersey

4.23/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Always love all Victory products.
Christmas Eve dinner with family and my brother-in-law pulls this out of the fridge.
Supposedly the story is that this is Baltik Thunder that is aged in wine barrels.

Definitely can pick up on some tannins at first sip but then the malt sweetness takes over.
High alcohol content subdued in flavor. Nice Porter flavors develope with further sips.
Great beer to start the night with and with my Christmas Eve appetizers

Serving type: bottle

12-25-2012 14:00:45 | More by jjchristiano
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hagbergl

Maryland

4.21/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

I had Red Thunder on draft at Washington, DC's Smoke & Barrel, a barbeque, beer, and bourbon joint in the Adams Morgan neighborhood. A red wine barrel-aged imperial porter? Yes, please!

Appearance (4/5): Dark black body and a thin, light tan head. Completely opaque.

Smell (4.25/5): Red Thunder may look innocent enough, but one whiff and you know you're in for a very interesting drinking experience. On smelling the beer, you're hit with an interesting melange of black cherry, oak tannins, and the typical roasty, malty porter notes. No booziness to speak of.

Taste (4.25/5): The taste follows the smell. The first taste on the tip of the tongue is oak, sherry, and black cherry notes mixed with a high purity, dry dark chocolate flavor. The wine barrel and dark fruit flavors end up fading towards the end, giving way to the typical dry and roasty porter flavors. Well-balanced, the sweet and roasty elements are in good equilibrium; neither dominates the other. Again, as with the nose, Red Thunder is remarkably un-boozy despite the high ABV. Unexpectedly good with a nice bit of complexity.

Mouthfeel (4/5): Full-bodied, medium carbonation, and creamy. A beer that, despite its richness and complexity, is easy drinking. I could probably drink a full 750 mL bottle of this.

Serving type: on-tap

11-06-2013 19:15:28 | More by hagbergl
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Boto

Connecticut

4.21/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

750ml bottle: This one pours a fairly opaque, dark mahogany brown color. There was just a wisp of head on it. It has a nice nose. I definitely can smell a bit of oak and red wine. I get some cocoa too, as well as some faint roasted malts. The taste is very good. Just a bit bitter. Taste is some cocoa, roasted malts and a bit of a dry red wine. A touch of the oakiness comes thru too. This is a very nice brew.

Serving type: bottle

02-22-2014 21:56:23 | More by Boto
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wvsabbath

West Virginia

4.2/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Serving Type - 25.4 oz caged and corked bottle

Appearance - Dark copper tan/brown, red tint, 1/8 inch creamy head and plenty of sticky lacing.

Smell - Roasted malts, molassess, brown sugars, wine, chocolate, cocoa, fig and rasin. Smells like dessert in a bottle.

Taste - Classic roasted chocolate porter flavor, with a backbone of sweet red wine. The chocoalte, cocoa and dark fruits hit you first, then the wine comes in. Works well to balance out the sugars and alcohol. Sweet cherries, orange and grapes really stand out. The finish has some cocoa and roasted malts.

Mouthfeel - Tounge gets lots of malts and chocolate at first, then sweet bold red wine coats it. Palate gets alot of fruits, some sugars and malts. The aftertaste is red wine, cocoa, chocolate and a little dry.

Overall - Hey this turned out good, kinda like a beer version of chocovine chocolate wine, but not as strong and wine forward. Its balanced rather well, easy to drink, and quite different then about any other beer you can have. I still enjoy baltic thunder but like this unique offering alot. Id for sure give this a shot if you enjoy red wine, baltic thunder or chocovine wine.

Serving type: bottle

12-15-2012 04:36:24 | More by wvsabbath
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Hopfenpeter

Maryland

4.2/5  rDev +8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

The beer poured a deep clear red brown and produced a tan creamy head, about two fingers high. It dissipated, leaving nice lacing.
It smells of roasted malt, dark chocolate and red wine oak barrels.
The taste is of roasted malts and earthy oak barrel tastes builds the front. The red wine character stays throughout the middle, mixed in with more bitter earthy hops.
The finish is a mild red wine infused, earthy oak barrel feel.
A medium bodied, interesting brew, which deserves respect for the idea! Great job!!

Serving type: bottle

12-19-2012 04:37:59 | More by Hopfenpeter
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ksimons

New York

4.18/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

A-dark chestnut with ruby highlights and a fingers worth of light tan head

S-rich malt, chocolate, and red wine

T-taste starts with roasted malt, chocolate, and light coffee, and finishes with a bit of oakiness, and dry tart red wine flavor. Alcohol is well hidden.

M-medium body, light to medium carbonation, and a dry roasted feeling in the mouth

Overall I am glad I finally found this beer. I really like the combination of the porter and red wine, I think it really brings out some interesting flavors in the beer.

Serving type: bottle

01-19-2013 00:00:55 | More by ksimons
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CloudStrife

New York

4.16/5  rDev +6.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

750ml corked and caged bottle poured into a snifter.

A: Pours a very dark ruby brown appearing black in the glass. Minimal white head rings the outside of the glass. Spots of lacing on the glass.

S: Nice complex aroma going on here. A blend of sour cherry, chocolate and roasted malt. Can certainly get some red wine character. It could be considered a tad faint but is a enticing blend.

T: Quite the enjoyable beer. The wine barrels add a good amount of flavor as does the wood. Provides some tart fruity tones as well as a mellow notes. Roasted malt is of course a dominant flavor being the basis of the base porter. Lingering roastiness and chocolate makeup the aftertaste. Dark fruits, coffee and smokiness in there as well.

M: Medium body with low to average carbonation. A bit watery but doesnt feel too thin. Is a bold enough beer to sip on yet retains the mouthfeel of something lighter. A bit on the dryer side due to the red wine.

Overall I'd love to get another bottle of this beer. Great complexity and complimentary flavors going on here. Starts off as one beer and finishes as quite another. Pick one up.

Serving type: bottle

09-17-2013 02:19:15 | More by CloudStrife
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johnnnniee

New Hampshire

4.15/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours a clear dark brown color with garnet highlights and a smallish tan head that slowly dissipates to a cap. Aroma's of chocolate and caramel with a hint of earth make up the bulk of the nose. A light vinous, raspberry and strawberry fruitiness is subtle but rounds things out nicely. The flavor is rich with lots of caramel, vanilla, and chocolate with a sweet sugary edge. Light berry tartness as well as faint earthy hops and a vinous quality provide a nice balance against the sweet flavor. Medium to thick body with a light level of carbonation and a sweet light sugary mouthfeel. I quite enjoyed this one. The red wine qualities are subtle but provide a nice background note. I should have bought a couple more of these.

Serving type: bottle

12-17-2012 22:24:58 | More by johnnnniee
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Googs

New York

4.15/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured from the bottle into a teku glass

A: Deep red, mahogany body with medium sized off white head. Some lacing on the glass.

S: I love the smell that comes from wine barrel aged beers, and this comes through strongly on the nose. Smells similar to other American Wild ales, tart and oaky, Consecration is one that comes to mind. Some sweet, fruity, roasted malts, typical from Baltic porters, are coming through as well. Complex and great smelling brew.

T: Upfront the wine barrel really comes through again. A dry and sweet, lactic/tart grape flavor that is followed by the cocoa and dark porter characteristics. Nicely done, but the flavors need to come together a bit better

M: Medium body, but really creamy which is a big plus for. Good amount of carbonation, somewhat dry and roasty. A pretty drinkable beer all things considered.

O: I really enjoy beer thrown into wine barrels, and I'm eager to try more dark and heavy beers from either red or white oak barrels. I think a beer like consecration has flavors that blend together better which make for a better beer. Even so, Victory did a solid job on what they set out to do and for the price, this is awesome. I recommend this one.

Serving type: bottle

02-11-2013 01:00:25 | More by Googs
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DillanWeems

Texas

4.14/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.25

A: Dark with a bit of red on the edges. Minimal head and lacing.

S: Red wine, sweet fruit, cherry, vanilla. Slightly savory smell, and a bit woody.

T: Follows smell. More wine and savory flavor than in the smell. Great wood aged flavor as well.

M: Just enough carb. A bit light, but not too much so for the style.

Overall a really tasty beer. The wine barrel flavor is excellent and not too overpowering. Nice complexity and hints of fruit and wine, but not enough to take away from the flavor a Baltic Porter should have. Well balanced all around. I'm usually not a big Victory fan, but they made a great beer in this case.

Serving type: bottle

10-20-2013 03:43:26 | More by DillanWeems
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SportsandJorts

Michigan

4.14/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Appearance: pours a nice brown color with some reddish hues where the light comes through. pretty near opaque. huge three finger bubbly head of a tan color that fades almost instantly to nothing.

Smell: smooth and sweet chocolate. wood. and wine

Taste: opens up with a sweet and decadent chocolate, which is quickly overcome by other flavors. a very strong wooden flavor and a slightly sour wine taste.

Mouthfeel: pretty heavy. very dry but smooth throughout the sip.

Overall: an interesting beer. ends up being quite tasty and complex.

Serving type: bottle

01-12-2014 03:31:49 | More by SportsandJorts
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CMUbrew

Michigan

4.14/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

A: Dark brown-black pouring into the glass and black when the glass is full. Small head doesn't stick around long.

S: Definitely a red wine aroma with some roasted malt in the background.

T: Red wine flavors that are slightly acidic. Porter flavors are also evident and blend nicely with what the barrel is providing.

M: Smooth porter body with an appropriate fullness.

O: A really nice offering and a nice change in the barrel aged department.

Serving type: bottle

02-16-2014 02:23:20 | More by CMUbrew
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Tucquan

Pennsylvania

4.11/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Had this on 2013-02-28 in Columbia, PA

A - Reasonably clear dark brown with a touch of ruby. 1.5 finger head at first fades to a skim coat quickly and leaves nice lacing.

S - Red wine, oak, light vanilla, medium roasted grain. Nice but not overly-complex.

T - Reminds me of a barleywine aged in a red wine barrel. Dark fruit, burgundy, raisins, medium roasted grain, oak, some caramel, vanilla. Finishes spicy with some citrus, sweet-yet-charred-malt, alcohol and decent bitterness.

M - Medium body and carbonation. Thinner than I expected but not watery by any means.

O - I enjoyed this brew but wasn't blown away. Something a bit different for sure, which is always nice. I'd have it again.

Serving type: bottle

02-28-2013 22:29:21 | More by Tucquan
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weltywm

Pennsylvania

4.1/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 25 oz. bottle into my Saranac snifter.

Appearance: Dark red/black with a ton of off-white head that dissipated rather quickly.

Smell: Mostly wine up front, with a little bit of cocoa and oak to round it off.

Taste: A pleasant surprise. Tons of oak and cocoa at first, balanced off by malty, caramel sweetness. As it warms, the wine notes start to come out more: dark fruit, dry tannins, and more oak.

Mouthfeel: Medium body, pretty average for a porter. A lot of carbonation, maybe a bit more than average for the style.

Overall: A really great brew from Victory. Hope they continue to try new, more challenging brews aside from their standard selections.

Serving type: bottle

12-16-2012 19:47:08 | More by weltywm
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VelvetExtract

Massachusetts

4.1/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A-Pours a semi-hazed mahogany. Easy to see through the body. Light for a Porter. Head is full and creamy and light tan in color. The whipped head leaves long, droopy hanging curtains of lace. Glowing body.

S-Starts off initially quite tart. Vinous notes. Lactic. Porter aromatics are dull. Keeping into account the light Porter notes, this brew smells a bit like a raspberry flavored chocolate. The tartness is far more expressive than I was expecting.

T-The beer's base comes out more here. A bit more coffee and a bit more chocolate. Even some hoppy bitterness. The wine barrel lends some awesome tart and tannic dimensions. You can even taste the oak from the barrel. I would love to know what type of wine was in these barrels…Cabernet? Syrah? Pinot Noir? Meritage barrels? Reminds me of cherry cola a bit. A pleasant mixture of beer and wine.

M-Pretty drinkable. The sourness almost increases the beer's drinkability. It definitely does leave a lot hanging on the tongue however. Medium bitterness. Alcohol masked very well.

O/D-I borderline loved this. Great hybrid brew. The barrel aging really, really, really morphed this brew into a new species. A 750ml (I think) for $8 is a pretty legit price too. When was the last time you bought a wine-barrel aged brew in this size bottle for well under $10? I am very happy I went after this one. A big time success in my book.

Serving type: bottle

12-27-2012 04:28:58 | More by VelvetExtract
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Red Thunder from Victory Brewing Company
87 out of 100 based on 451 ratings.