Zoetzuur Flemish Ale - De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)

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very good

326 Ratings
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Ratings: 326
Reviews: 196
rAvg: 3.91
pDev: 13.04%
Wants: 28
Gots: 29 | FT: 1
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Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Red Ale |  7.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: marburg on 11-15-2004

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Photo of ATPete
3.22/5  rDev -17.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

750ml bottle

Pours a red/brown color with a small off white head. I get alot of strawberry and a port-like sweetness on the nose, a slight acidity and a light sour twang. Round, sweet with a sour/bitter finish, rich cherry candy sweetness. A dessert sipper possibly, a bit too rich for my tastes although the beer is pretty medium in body. I probably wont finish this bottle or the other 5 i somehow came into along the road, another strange brew from De Proef..

Photo of quasimoto
3.24/5  rDev -17.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A - Pours the same exact color as cedar wood. There is a slight head to it, but it quickly dissapates.

S - Strong aromas of plums, oak, cherries, and some vinous characteristics going on too.

T -Al of the afforementioned plus cripsy dry, toasted wheat croutons....I know but that is what it is to me. There is some really old apple cider in there too.

M - Very simple around the tounge. There is no real strong carbination bite, but it ends dry and leaves the sour notes on the tounge.

D - Not really my cup of tea, but Im sure would go well some certain dishes.

Photo of JohnGalt1
3.3/5  rDev -15.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Buckeyeboy brought this to a recent tasting.... Thanks Jeremy!!

Hazy red/brown brew with a descent white head and lacing.

Nose immediately reminds me of cherry sucrets.. bretty funk and some wet leather... but the seemingly artificial cherries and slight medicinal qualities are the main player.

flavor mirrors the nose with some tannic qualities.. cherry cough drops.... some plummy essence gets lost in the fray... too sweet... could use alot more wild character and more sour to balance the sweetness.

Body is on the light side of medium and a descent carbonation.

I've had this one a couple of times since the COOP got it in, and I've always thought it was okay, but no where near great.

3.5/3.5/3/3.5/3.5

Photo of draheim
3.3/5  rDev -15.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

750mL into a tulip. Pours a clear amber w/ a 2-finger head that leaves behind a thin web of lace, moderate carb.

Aroma is tart and fruity. Sour cherries, dry oak.

Taste leads off with a disagreeable grainy quality. Ruh-roh. Crushed aspirin, copper penny. Not nearly as much tartness as the nose implied. Vague sour cherry tempered by sweet fruity malt, but that metallic taste mutes everything else.

Mouthfeel is light, crisp, dry. Soft on the palate, good carbonation.

Overall I just didn't enjoy this very much. The flat medicinal grainy taste ruined it for me.

Photo of utfiero
3.31/5  rDev -15.3%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Color- hazy thick reddish brown. Medium but thick head.

Aroma- sour cherry fruitcake.

Taste- Sour throughout starting a but rough but mellowing in the middle finishing with a lingering cherry sourness and a hint of clove on the palate.

I like sours, but I couldn't rate this one any higher given the rough start.

Poured from a corked 750 ml bottle into a Liefmans Goudenband glass (my preferred all purpose beer tasting glass).

Photo of shbobdb
3.35/5  rDev -14.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 4

After experiencing some members of the Flemish Primitive series, I was expecting this beer to be funky-as-hell.

Raised expectations caused the French Revolution.

I guess my problem is that when I think 'Flanders Red' I think of Rodenbach Grand Cru and La Folie -- two incredibly acidic, nail-polish remover-like beers as opposed to the softer offerings such as Monk Cafe and Duchess. This beer definately belongs to the latter catagory.

Why is that bad? Well, the Flanders Red is supposed to be a very quaffable, thirst-quenching style but this beer sits in an awkward sweet-sour area. There is enough malt flavour present to be sweet and not enough acid to create a crisp, clean finish. So, instead you get a wishy-washy undecided ending to the beer that lingers and lingers.

Neither the malt nor the acid managed to really find a quorum and instead the beer sits in an strange limbo between the two. Perhaps if some hops were included to help balance out the fight, or if one side were simply allowed to 'win' that would be OK.

I like sour beers, I like sweet beers . . . but this half-and-half isn't to my liking.

To make matters worse, the mouthfeel is strangely cloying, so I can't really even say this beer is an easy drinker.

Photo of WynnO
3.36/5  rDev -14.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

All in all, a good Flemish Red.

The color is beautiful, yet the head seemed a bit weak.

On the down side, I detected a slight disagreeable component in the smell, almost certainly caused by the cherry juice. This beer's flavor is a bit weaker than other personal favorites (Duchesse and Rodenbach), but there is no doubt of it being a straight-ahead Flemish Red.

I would have no hesitation with buying another bottle.

Photo of madtowndmb1
3.38/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This poured the classic mahogany color with almost no head and a little fizz rising up. The smell was nice, mildly fruity with a dry hint in there. The taste was lacking in my opinion. Not much depth, the up front kriek was there from them adding "cherry juice", but no dryness to back it up. It was drinkable but I probably wouldn't go after it again. Monk's Cafe is a decent amount better as an entry in to the style for some.

Photo of LilBeerDoctor
3.38/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bottle sampled on 09/26/08 at Night of the Funk. Pours a clear orange/brown with a small white head. Aroma of light tartness and melon and other sweet fruits. Flavor is tart with a bitter finish and also some stale wheat malt. Just kinda meh. Not terribly bad but not something I'd seek out again.
7/4/7/3/14 (3.5/5)

Photo of YankChef
3.42/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

750ml bottle poured into a rodenbach glass

Appearance: Hazy darker red with rust like hues, kind of looks like pomegranite juice with pulp if that existed.

Smell: Big time cherry, almost smells like kasteel rouge however there is still a rugged sourness funk that comes along with this style that i do love so much.

Taste: The first thing that hits is a mild sweetness that then fades to a mild sourness. This beer is really timid all around what a dissapointment. The carbonation is also surprisingly low.

Overall: I think that I am drinking this beer past its prime, carbonation is almost nonexistant and there is almost no finish. A shame i was really looking forward to this.

Photo of pinotboy007
3.43/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

A - Root beer-like color with a decent antique white head that fades slowly with some modest lacing; very attractive Flemish ale.

S - Sour red fruit with barnyard-like aroma and a tinge of what I would call pewter, but not in a negative way. Unique.

T - Off sour cherry/wine as if this ale had been aged in a barrel that used to hold red wine. Has a nice malt backbone.

M - Light fizz mingles with the creaminess in a nice but refreshing way.

D - With food - absolutely. I'm thinking venison or some sort of meat that has a fruit-laden reduction sauce. Drinking it solo isn't really inspiring for me, but to each his own!

Photo of RoyalT
3.45/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Appearance –The head here was off-white and about a half-inch high on an easy pour. It sat on a very dark, almost brown liquid body.

Smell – The sharp yeasty sourness sticks the nose sharply. It smells like pure lemon in there with a tad of malt.

Taste – The lemon isn’t as big on the tongue as it is in the bouquet, but it’s pretty hefty. The malts are lightly-toasted but not bready in any way. It’s more of a barley-type of flavor.

Mouthfeel – The exciting carbonation and light body in the mouth help the flavors along nicely.

Drinkability – This was fun to drink, but a one on one with a bomber of Zoetzuur is asking a lot of the palate.

Photo of champ103
3.5/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Pours an opaque ruby/brown color. A one finger tan head forms. Some sticky lace is left behind.
S: A sweet fruity aroma. Some cherries and apples with funky barnyard aromas. A light dry, wood aroma.
T: This is very sweet and tart. Cherries and apples that follow the nose. As this warms up, the tartness/sourness mellows out a bit.
M/D: A medium body, but over carbonated. A little thin. Dry. The sweetness, tartness and alcohol are a bit much. Its hard to finish the 750 ml bottle.

This is interesting, but just does not do it for me. Fairly simple for the style, and not very subtle. This is not my favorite De Proef offering.

Photo of kojevergas
3.5/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

750ml brown glass bottle with hood and wire cap over a cork served into a Guinness goblet in me gaff in low altitude Los Angeles, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are high given the style and to an extent the brewery. I know Mikkeller brews at De Proef a lot, and I'm quite fond of his work, but I do think that this brewery might be a bit too scientific and clinical to pull off a proper sour.

Served refrigerator cold and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured with standard vigor as no carbonation issues are anticipated.

A: Pours a 1.5 finger head of some limited cream, pretty good thickness, and great retention for the above average ABV. Colour is nontransparent non-opaque caramel-red. Generally appealing, but far from ideal for the style. No floating yeast particles are visible - perhaps due to the nontransparency.

Sm: Brett yeast - lending it some complex funkiness, other yeast, some cream, hints of bacteria, and tart fruit. A moderate strength aroma. Both complex and subtle. I'm excited to try it; it's certainly alive. I'm hoping the taste lives up to the promise of the aroma.

T: Pleasant cream opens it up to the nicely brett-laden flavour profile, complete with bacteria, tart cherry, and yeasty notes that manage to add complexity and a light spicy character without feeling overly biscuity. Cream resurges on the climax. The cherry juice might mute the profile a bit; it feels a bit timid. No alcohol comes through - not a bad feat given the 7.00% ABV. Balanced nicely. I'd like it to trust its flavours more and really bring the boldness, but it's pretty mellow - to its detriment. Complex, layered, and subtle. The malts don't come through hardly at all even as an aspect of the foundation, which I think is to its benefit but also lends it a certain emptiness that detracts from the body; consequently it comes off a bit weak and not nearly as full-bodied as I'd like.

Mf: Light on the palate, delicate, and silky smooth, with some cream throughout as an undertone. Perfectly carbonated. It's thin, but this strangely works for the beer. That said, it just doesn't have a strong impact on the palate, a characteristic amplified by its weak body.

Dr: Very drinkable, especially for the relatively high ABV. I could easily drink this all night - and would want to, if not for the somewhat limited quality and high price. I had high hopes for this beer and while it didn't meet them, I wouldn't call it a disappointment. I wouldn't purchase it again without some age on it, but I might recommend it to fans of this specific style. As sours go, it's far from exemplary.

Drank fine out of me goblet.

Would pair well with a vinaigrette black olive salad.

High B-

Photo of cocoapuph
3.53/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Had a hard time uncorking this one... poured a rich ruby red-copper color with a thick head. Smelled of tart cherries and grapes. A hint of raisin and sugar sweetness comes through. Almost sunblock smelling too.

Tasted of tart cherries and a bit of metallic flavors. A little nit of coconut and vinegar come through as well. Mouth feel was tangy and smooth.

Decent but definitely had better. May drink again if given a bottle.

Photo of meeekyh
3.53/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 750ml bottle into a fin du monde glass.

Really nice head and amber-ruby color. Lacing abounds as the head dissipates.

The smell is tangy cherry and apricot and funk.

Tangy, tangy. I have not tried this style before but it reminds me of a lambic with its tartness and acid tang. There is a bit of sweetness and tart cherry seems to predominate the palate.

Mouthfeel is thin and light. Finish is dry.

I would say not the most drinkable thing out there due to the acidic nature and dryness in the finish.

Not too bad. I expect it reflects the style and that I will be trying more of the same as the chance arises.

Photo of spoony
3.54/5  rDev -9.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

From a 750 ml bottle into a tulip glass.

A-The brew is a medium, nutty brown with ruby-red highlights. It is more clear than many oud bruins or Flemish reds. The two-finger-tall light-tan head drops quickly and leaves a little ring of lace. I cannot see any carbonation.

S-The smell is full of juicy cherry. I mean, it smells like real cherries, which is good, I guess, but it also gives it a sort-of stale aroma. There is also a bit of vanilla and a woody, lactic funkiness. There is not a lot of acid or vinous smell here and fruity sweetness dominates.

T-The taste, like the smell, is full of sweet, juicy cherry. There is more acid noticeable on the palate, but the acid doesn't really add complexity or balance the cherry flavors; rather, it just bites on the throat. There is also a touch of malty prune and raisin, and a drying woody flavor on the finish.

M-The feel is pretty standard for the style with lower carbonation levels, light to medium heft, and a drying finish.

O-This beer gets props for tasting like real cherry juice, but I'm not sure that real cherry juice flavor makes for a good beer in this instance. As noted above, it tastes more like a out-of-date kid's juice box than a Flanders Red Ale. A little more useful acidity might have helped here.

Photo of dnichols
3.55/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

I poured a 750 ml caged and corked bottle into a challis. The bottle label asserted that this was a “brew master’s reserve.”

A: It poured a bright strawberry red with a dark tan head of about half a finger. The head receded shortly after the pour resulting in a modest layer covering the beer and collaring the glass. There was a moderate lacing that followed the emptying of the glass.

S: When I popped the cork there was the distinct aroma of caramels and sweet roasted malts. As I began to sample the brew I picked up the aroma of sweet cherries, tart raspberries, and sour green apples.

T: Wow..the first sip was quite a surprise. I was not expecting the dominate taste of sweet and sour fruit. The fruity flavor is followed and complemented by a smoky earthy taste that adds character to the fruits. There is a tangy almost citrusy flavor toward the back end and this is the dominant aftertaste.

M: Medium bodied with a zesty fruity sweetness. A citrus aftertaste that is both sour and sweet.

D: This is a good one and out brew that is entertaining, interesting, but too fruit heavy to drink more than one in a session.

Comment: I enjoyed the experience but doubt I will purchase this brew again. I enjoy the Flemish Ales but this one strained my opinion.

Photo of SFLpunk
3.55/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to Shawn Dunn for this one!

750mL brown glass fake-cork finished. No date.

Appearance: A medium reddish brown with thin bone-white head.

Nose: Cherry skins, raw beef, leafy veg, plum.

Palate: Low carbonation, moderately tart (not sour) up front, but swings to slightly sweet with flavors of dried berries and dates. There's a brightness that comes from that "redeeming" sweetness. Lots of sweet and sour cherry notes. Medium-length finish shows a little, tiny, inkling really of that "funky" texture.

Notes: A nice, very drinkable "sour" beer. The texture is smooth and round, not overly funky, not really sour, just tart. Nicely made, not great. Might drink again if the chance arises.

Photo of mlazzaro
3.56/5  rDev -9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Hazed rose hued body with fluffy white head. Decent head retention. Somewhat larger sized bubbles here and there and very bizarre looking lacing. Yeast at bottom of bottle. Light on carbonation. Smells like cherries (sweet). Slight lactic yeast/bacteria to the smell. Mild aroma.

Flavor is very fruity. Cherry juice is still a touch sweet. Tastes very young. It does have a sourness to it, distinctly Brett. flavors. Super mild though. Malt character is light, what is there is caramelized malts. Bitterness is suiting to the rest of the beer. As advertized sweet and sour flavor. Mouthfeel is mild on acidity and light-medium bodied.

I was a little disappointed at first because I like outrageously sour beers. This is way drinkable, just very tame for my palate. Might be a good beer for folks gettin' their toes wet with sour beers.

Photo of sokol_1993
3.59/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

- Red-brown color, some head
- Tartness, and somehow I smelled paté inside...
- Tartness on the tongue, and then some taste of paté... But then more tartness kick in, and some alcohol.
- Not as good as Rodenbach, interesting nevertheless.

Photo of Huhzubendah
3.61/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Split a 750ml with my wife.

A: Beautiful ruby color with a whipped meringue head that lingers for several minutes, leaving big lacing. Awesome appearance!

S: Sweet cherries and wild yeast, definitely in that order

T: SWEET! sour. This is beer is much sweeter than it is sour. I was really expecting and hoping for a better balance between the two. Sweet cherries and cherry juice dominate the flavors, so much so that I feel I may be missing out on other complexities in this beer. There is only a hint of sourness, along with a yeasty, bread-like quality. The flavor is tasty and done well, but heavily favoring sweet cherry.

M: Sweet and smooth. Average feel.

D: I couldn't even finish my glass. The sweetness becomes very cloying, and quickly.

Photo of magictrokini
3.62/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Bottle. Pours reddish amber with a thick cream-colored head. Aroma of apples and cherries, with some stinky cheese. Taste vastly improves as the beer warms. Cherry, caramel, and malt up front that turns sour quickly when cold, but smoothly when warmer. A tart, sweet finish. Definitely a sipper.

Photo of RockyTopHeel
3.62/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a hazy red-brown with a thin, beige head. Aroma is sweet and sour.

Decent sourness up front, with a sweet, cloying element. I was pretty excited for this beer, and it leaves a bit to be desired. Not enough sour, too sweet, and no real complexity.

I like it fine, but I don't think I'll be making a return trip.

Photo of Rayek
3.62/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This deep garnet beer was had back to back with Duchesse De Bourgogne. It didn't hold up that well against what I consider to be the benchmark for this style, but is decent in own right.

The cherries in this carry the sweetness burden, along with some raisins and currants. Bitterness is mild and peppery. Overall the flavor comes across a bit thin to me. Like most beers of this style, I'm getting a red wine message that I like quite a bit.

If I hadn't drank this against Duchesse, I probably would have liked it more. Overall it's nice, but not great.

Zoetzuur Flemish Ale from De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)
88 out of 100 based on 326 ratings.