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Zoetzuur Flemish Ale - De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)

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88
very good

309 Ratings
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Ratings: 309
Reviews: 193
rAvg: 3.91
pDev: 13.55%
Wants: 27
Gots: 23 | FT: 1
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Belgium

Style | ABV
Flanders Red Ale |  7.00% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
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(Beer added by: marburg on 11-15-2004)
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Photo of Neffbeer
5/5  rDev +27.9%

Photo of Stinkypuss
4.3/5  rDev +10%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

De Proef Zoetzuur Flemish Ale
(according to the bottle, brewed with Kriek juice)

Pours a nice ruby color, off white head and nice lacing. Aroma of berries, so quite fruity and slight hint of funk. In the taste, a nice tart sourness, mild acidity, sugary malt, and a hint of cherry juice. Very well balanced with a perfect mix of sweet, sour, malt, and fruit. Ever so slight touch of red wine vinegar. Mouthfeel is light to medium bodied and drying. Overall, one of the best examples of the Flanders style, and the fruit is downplayed and left in the background where it belongs. Well done.

Photo of BrauKilR
4/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Aroma: The funk of lambic complexity, with its notes of rhubarb and oak, leaning in this case toward vinegar/acetic. Dark cherry and malt sweetness. Vanilla. Oak. Spiciness which dissipates relatively quickly with time. No diacetyl. No hops.

Appearance: Clear, medium amber with an off-white, creamy head that persists as a creamy film and laces the glass – a Mort Subite goblet for this tasting. I expect this head may last till morning if I left it.

Flavor: Prominent – though short of bold -- fruit flavors of plum and cherry, toasty-bready malt sweetness, all accompanied by a complimentary sourness/tartness. Hints of vanilla which I presume to echo its time in oak. Bitterness is low and there is no hop flavor. Yeast character is expressed in the spicy, “Belgian” –type phenolics and dark fruit character. The long finish is sweet and tart with a red wine-like character, yet less astringent.

Mouthfeel: Medium leaning toward medium-full bodied. Chewy, creamy texture with a mild, tingly astringency. Mild carbonation to lift it, followed by a noticeable but unobtrusive alcohol warming on the way down.


Overall: A slightly fuller bodied, less spritzy-assertive version of Flanders Red than Duchesse De Bourgogne, which I consider the cranberry soda of the beer world. Very drinkable, but not quite as sour as I anticipated, which is not a knock; this is well within style. I do live very close to the Jolly Pumpkin, however, and anticipate more than a complimentary sourness in sour ales as a result. This might be a good launching point for anyone wanting to be introduced to the sour ale category.

Photo of WickedSluggy
4.2/5  rDev +7.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Nice garnet color is dark enough to make clarity difficult to determine. A thin pale foam layer remains to form sparce lacing.

Aroma is a combination of that familiar bretty, winey beauquet along with the unmistakable aroma of sour cherries.

Flavor is drier than I expected. Not extreamly sour either but a nice refreshing combination of the two base flavors - Quite refreshing very drinkable with a supple mouthfeel that invites another retained swishing mouthful.

Photo of claytong
4.15/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

appearance - beautiful crimson red and a semi off white one inch head off controlled pour which sticks around very well. amazing lacing, covers the top minus a few little circles.

smell - cherries (sweet), vinegar, sugar, perhaps red wine perhaps a wood (very faint)

taste - much of the same. vinegar is not really there except on end. not much sourness going on. in fact its definitely on the sweeter side.

mouthfeel - want a bit more sour in there. great to perfect carbonation. medium to thick body. no cloying. extremely drinkable.

Photo of BeerImmediately
3.65/5  rDev -6.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

25oz into Dupont widemouth glass.

Murky, cloudy brown body with just a faint off-white film. Quite still.

Aromas are great - lots of sweetness, with notes of brown sugar, cinnamon, candied cherries, and a fair amount of spice. Decent amount of red wine vinegar in the finish.

Flavors unfortunately end up being a bit of a disappointment after that aroma. Dull, overripened dark fruits - plum primarily. Lots of sweetness from the aroma, and has a fair amount of earth/dirt and funk. Gym sneakers come through as it warms. Could've used a bit more vinegar quality.

Mouthfeel is pretty dull, but not off the mark. No carbonation, and just a slight pull on the palate.

Overall, this one was a bit too sweet for my liking, but is a decent representation of the style.

Photo of Pencible
3.98/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: This poured a cloudy reddish mahogany with fluffy light tan head.
S: It smelled like rich sour cherry with some vinegar and oak, and a little metallic and candi sugar.
T: It tasted like smooth sweet cherry and brown sugar, with earthy oak and tart vinegar and a bit of candi sugar. It had a mellow sweet and sour aftertaste.
M: It was watery with a little carbonation. Too thin.
D: This was a nice Flanders red. The sourness was very balanced with sweetness. The body was a bit weak, but there was no alcohol noticeable, so it was very easy to drink. Probably best fresh, because the cherry character will likely fade with age. Recommended.

Photo of teromous
4.38/5  rDev +12%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

A: It pours a light tan, the color of tea. It's hazy in the glass and has a thin bubbly head.

S: It has a very strong sour smell to it. I pick up a little hint of alcohol smell. There is a hint of cherry smell to it...reminds me a lot of cherry lip balm. I get some slight earthy barn-like smells too.

T: It has an initial sourness but it fades into a malty back-flavor. The malt really stands up to the sourness and it doesn't leave my mouth puckering at all. The aftertaste is fruity, and reminiscent of fresh plums.

M: As I mentioned in the taste portion, it's not puckering at all. The mouthfeel is perfect. It has just the right amount of sourness to bitterness ratio to balance it out. It's great!

O: Overall this was a really great beer. I expected that it would be really sour and it wasn't. This is the perfect beer for people to try who want to enjoy a slightly sour beer without it being overwhelming.

Photo of Viciousknishs
4.43/5  rDev +13.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A- pours a ruddy brown color with a healthy finger and a half of off white head. Retention is decent but recedes into a ring of bubbles.

S- starts out with a great tart acidity with a traditional Flanders vineous note. Sweet dark cherry juice gives a nice juxtaposition to the initial tartness. A thin blanket of funk blends in nicely with a musky earthy note. Finishs with a dry bready malt.

T- Tart up front with a low acidity. The vineous character gives it some traditional flavors. Branching away from tradition a gigantic sweet dark cherry juice explodes on the palate. Finishs with a funky Brett flavor with a earthy character.

MF- slick smooth mouthfeel with a sweettart tart character. Medium body with averge carbonation.

D- very drinkable introductory sour. Yum!

Photo of zaphodchak
3.9/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dark amber body with 2 finger off-white head that laces like a champ.

Nose is very faint-- tart/vegetal, but faintly metallic... not too objectionable, but still.

Taste is interesting; sweet at first growing sour towards the middle. Faint bell pepper. There's kind of a sticky aftertaste (slightly sweet and sour), but this is not too objectionable.

Mouthfeel is creamy enough to undercut what would otherwise be a bitter lemonade taste. Nice.

Overall, a good example of a style for the Flemish sour. Not as sour as Dutchess or Monk's Cafe, nor as vegetal as Bourgogne de Flandres: a very effective compromise

Photo of Rayek
3.6/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This deep garnet beer was had back to back with Duchesse De Bourgogne. It didn't hold up that well against what I consider to be the benchmark for this style, but is decent in own right.

The cherries in this carry the sweetness burden, along with some raisins and currants. Bitterness is mild and peppery. Overall the flavor comes across a bit thin to me. Like most beers of this style, I'm getting a red wine message that I like quite a bit.

If I hadn't drank this against Duchesse, I probably would have liked it more. Overall it's nice, but not great.

Photo of SolomonGrundy
3.8/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Just by looking a quickly smelling, I think this might be solid gold right here...

The basics: $10.99/750ml bottle and 7% ABV...OK on both...

I dug the Van Twee so let's see where this bottle carries us...

In a great mood today as the busiest season for us tax types has finally come to a virtual end...It's all downhill from here...

Nice orange-red-amber, kinda cloudy, kinda not, if you get the meaning...Well carbonated. Sopay head that settles into a nice creamy half finger of persistence. Great lacing...

Aroma is so interesting...It's like sunshine bouncing off cherries in early Summer...It's crisp, clean, floral and fruity. Not overpowering and only the slightest hint of funk...The latter quality could be a bad sign as the funk usually lets us know it's well made...

Whoa, this is a bizarre drink...The carbonation is almost too much. It kills the initial sourness a bit. Nicely sour, but not puckeringly so...The cherry notes are kinda lost amid the whole crazy flavor profile...If you burp you certainly notice the cherry flavor, but in the drink it's washed away by so much else. I get some sour cherry once the fizz dies down, a hint of funk. The Brettanomyces is hardly apparent in here...They must have tossed it in as an afterthought...The touch of sweetness is very nice as it helps balance the whole out. The beer is very refreshing, but the flavor profile seems a tad confused to me...Like the brewers weren't sure what to do with the whole thing. It's still works out well, though, as the flavors open up as it warms. Finish carries a nice sweetness and a slight bitterness. Overall not as impressive as the Van Twee, but still good. I'd track it down at this price point as it's unique and refreshing.

What I like most: The unique flavor profile.

What I like least: The price and partly confused flavors profile.

Verdict: Good and unique beer that's worth the price.

Photo of albern
4/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The beer is growing on me a bit as it warms. This is a beer that definitely has to settle and can't be too chilled. It pours a very nice brown and ruby color with lots of really nice lace, creamy head, with some retention. The nose isn't particularly pronounced but it is slightly vinegary, vinous, cherry toned, with some sweet malts noticeable. The nose is good, but slightly understated.

The taste is a little tougher to measure. The beer falls somewhere between the sweetness of a Duchesse and the tartness of a Rodenbach, but not quite as good as either. The beer is tilted towards the sweetish side, but has a tartness, some cherry mouthpuckering, and lots of Belgian yeastiness to complement the sweetness. The beer definitely gets more balanced as it warms. Too chilled, and the tartness is just not felt. The beer is complex, has plenty of unique yeast qualities that bring out the sourishness in the otherwise fairly sweet malts. The cherry flavors are also quite complex and run the gamut from mouthpuckering tartness, to slightly sour, to marachino like in their sweetness. There's lots going on in this beer, lots to like, but I prefer a Duchesse or a Rodenbach just a bit more. The Flemish Red style is a real treat. L'Chaim.

Photo of Tilley4
3.83/5  rDev -2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured this one into my new Losy Abbey tulip....

Aromas of cherries and leather and oak along with some funk as well... Unusual aromas... Not as tart smelling as others of the style... There's a sweetness here that has me interested...

Very vinous aspects in the flavors... Slightly tart with some sweetness... I'm getting cherries here as well along with hints of vinegar and an earthiness that tones the sharper flavors down some...

Pretty good Flemish here... I didn't find this amazing but I can see myself grabbing this one again...

Photo of Geuzedad
4.1/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked this up at Grape and Gourmet. Poured a nice reddish brown into my tulip with a 1 finger thick fizzy head and lots of lacing retention.

Smell was a definite Flemish Red. Lots of barnyard funk with cherries, vinegar, and a hint of spice.

Taste was definitely a tart sour with a hint of sweet in the middle and a sour finish but not what I expected.

Mouthfeel was medium with slight carbonation noted. Overall not bad.

I split this with GalenGeueze. We decided this was worth a repurchase but as it was a 750 ml bottle, it not something we would want to drink alone as it was more of a dessert style and not a session beer.

Photo of WestValleyIPA
4.03/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 750ml bottle into my Zatec fluted glass. Pours a very hazy, amber/cherry cola color with some nice sudsy off white head, about a finger. Very nice lacing and some good retention. Smells very barrely/funky. Some cherry and dried fruit coming through. A little of that sweet Belgian sugar scent and a light spicy yeast smell. Flavor is very soft for a sour. Sweet upfront, middling tartness. Cherries throughout. Definitely on the sweeter side of things. Nice consistent creamy little bubbles. Gonna be a stretch to finish this whole bottle, but all in all, a good brew.

Photo of harrymel
2.48/5  rDev -36.6%
look: 1.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

Unknown age on the bottle, but it was in the discount bin, which means it was at least one year on the shelves...

Poured to NB globe.

A: Pours a hazy mahogany ale with little to no head formation despite turbulent pour. Affluent peanut colored film is broken sans evident carbonation.

S: Raisins, prunes,,,,dark fruits dominate the nose. Quite difficult for me to discern. As advertised, sweet and sour. Very reserved as far as flemish ale's go.

T: More tart than I had anticipated. This is quite nice. However, the fruits continue to limit the appreciable flemish qualities one would anticipate. As the ale resonates, I start to sense the cherries typical of the style.

M: medium bodied, low carbonation.

D: Having a hard time enjoying this one. It's tolerable, but I wish the bottle wasn't 750ml's. ended up pouring half out.

Photo of CampusCrew
3.8/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

appearance: garnet with lots of stick lacing, decent head rentetion for the style

aromas: subtle cherries and wild yeast

taste: well the flavors are subtle to compared to others ion catergory. cherry, like vinegar, not over powering sour by any means, off aftertaste

mouthfeel: light to medium bodied

drinkability: decent by also one of the worst Ive had in the style

Photo of gueuzeonhigh
4.33/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

It is indeed a Flanders Red Ale. Pours a red-brown dark transmitting muted tones though the clear walls of the glass.
A tight knit head lacing the glass holds itself in vogue as the body retreats back to the surface.

The nose releases wafts of citrus, wild cherry and bitter hops with an umbra of malt or sweetness.

Flavor is a wonderful combination of tart green apple flavor with a sweet cherry or even citrus. There is enough effervescence to the beer to accompany the flavor's sweet-sour that adds or almost animates the flavor.

The mouthfeel is cordial-- everything about this beer seems to be in balance-- flavor, flavor characteristics, finish, effervescence and alcohol content.

Drinkability is superior. Alcohol is low enough to make a pint or two per sitting quite possible w/o deleterious effects. The flavor is such that it produces an interest to beckon my drinking the beer and tipping the bottle with some disdain realizing it was empty.

This wonderful Flemish Ale could become a regular in my beer cellar.

Photo of Donnie2112
3.98/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

poured into a Corsendonk glass

brownish red, offwhite puffy head, solid retention, solid lacing

Aromas of vinegar, very much that wild smell. This beer has certainly seen some brettanomyces

The flavors are largely vinegar without a lot else going on, they aren't overpowering so though and there are just little hints of wheat and cherry

Not a whole lot of malt and body for a beer of this alcohol content, it's very nice though, poppy carbonation and a good solid feel to it.

I could see this being a very drinkable Flanders red, it doesn't insist upon itself the way some do, but it's the real deal, lots of sourness and interesting undertones, could see this becoming a regular drinker.

Photo of tempest
4.15/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Split a large bottle at The Farmhouse. Wow, I think this is the best Flemish Red I've had. It lacks the sickly-sweet hit, like in Duchess, and instead has an almost dry fruit punch taste with apples and berries. Of course, the beer is dominated by by sour brett character with an Orval-like catty flavor over sweaty funk and lemon peel.

Photo of pdoran10
4/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours out a slightly translucent medium brown color into a pint glass (no awesome glassware at my mom's). Maybe a fourth of finger of off white head that leaves very impressive lacing.

Smell is pronounced, but not sharp vinegar sour, a hint of mustiness. some cherry sweetness. Very pleasant and a unique sour profile.

First thing i get from the taste is a surprising amount of sweet candy breaded malt up front, (think Belgian golden ale malt profile). Finish of the beer is balanced out mostly by a unique sour slightly lemon cherry bite. Malt sweetness is a bit heavier than many other flanders reds here. Not a fan of that. A bit of cherry lingers on the tongue.

Very drinkable flanders red despite the sweetness detracting a bit for myself. Cherry juice really rounds this beer out well. Could have many more glasses.

Photo of jrallen34
4.18/5  rDev +6.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

750ml corked bottle, poured into my Narke glass...A dirty medium copper, hints of amber. A huge creamy light tan head. A big lasting cap, great retention, awesome lacing...Nice aroma, brett, cherries, yeast, very musky like a saison. A hint of vinegar on the very finish. A touch of to much brett, but pretty nice and balanced overall...The taste flips the aroma as the front is musky brett with a slight cherry finish. Not as balanced as the nose, or as enjoyable. The finish is really awesome though, surprised how fruity the cherry note is...Feel is perfectly carbonated with a great finish.

This isn't a flanders red to me, but a really nice brett wild ale. I recommend this.

Photo of jlindros
4.1/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a murky light brown and rosy hue beer, with a light fizzy head with a bit of lacing.

Nose of sour fruits, plum, some cherries, a bit of funk, a little bit of malt vinegar.

Taste is pretty good too, sour cherries, a bit of malt vinegar, fairly tart with oak and lacto acidic flavors. Finishes with a long tart acidic vinegar and sour cherry.

Mouth is medium to lighter bodied, plenty of carbonation.

Drink is pretty good, sour/tart flavors hit hard but not overwhelming, some vinegar and acidic flavors, but overall pretty drinkable.

Photo of cbutova
4.22/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to Atremains for sharing this one. Always nice to try a new Flanders/funky beer.

A- Murky dark red with a light pink, creamy head with good retention. Tons of creamy lace coats the whole glass.

S- Tons of cherry up front, sweet overall feel and just a bit of tart. An amazing barnyard fence/pasture/hay/funk mixed with oak. Very nice. Reminds me of hanging around a farm as a child.

T- Ripe cherries with lots of sweets. Some zest and a good bit of oak. Cork/Brett/funk/barnyard shows up with slight raisin and spice, complex.

MF- Creamy with silky smooth carbonation. Goes down very easily. Lighter end with slight tart.

DB- Sweet but it doesn't bother me at all here. The smell is absolutely fantastic. Complex with nice cherry.

Zoetzuur Flemish Ale from De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)
88 out of 100 based on 309 ratings.