Van Twee (w/ John Mallett) - De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)

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Van Twee (w/ John Mallett)Van Twee (w/ John Mallett)

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Ratings: 163
Reviews: 133
rAvg: 3.96
pDev: 8.08%
Wants: 8
Gots: 20 | FT: 1
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Style | ABV
Belgian Dark Ale |  7.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

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Beer added by: memyselfandi on 08-01-2009

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Photo of brownbeer
4.2/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A- Pours an opaque brown color with a thick tan head. Looks very nice.

S- A bit of bretty band-aid kicks off the nose. Then, underneath you find chocolate truffle, biscuit, pepper, and a kind of lactose sweetness.

T- Seems tart as it hits the tongue then turns earthy, chocolately(similar to a porter), light funk. Not as much cherry as I expected but not a bad thing.

M- Frothy and milky with a lighter full body.

D- Very unique, probably not for everyone. For me, rich and drinkable and I want to revisit this in a year or two to see where the brett takes it.

Photo of BeerAdvocate
3.5/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from BeerAdvocate Magazine Issue #34 (Nov 2009):

Hybrid of the Porter and Dubbel styles with sour cherry juice and Brettanomyces added to the secondary fermentation. Funky and extreme!!

Wow, the Porter side made sure this beer was dark. Good lacing all around. Some tart- ness from the cherries and yeast with some charred malt and musty Brett action going on as well. Fluffy crispness, moderately dry body. At first taste, this beer comes off a little brash with a clash of tartness from the cherries and Brett with the roasted grain flavor that wields a dry charred character. Brett comes across with its funk: horse blanket and wet leather, both of which stay mild. Add the cherry juice to the mix, and there is almost a cherry grove note there. The burnt grain flavor lets off a bit ... or at least our palates are be- coming used to the contrast here. Finishes relatively dry with a linger of tartness and char.

Super complex, a slow sipper and something you need to share with a friend or two. A treat bottle, though it would be fun to see how this cellars as well.

Photo of Mora2000
4.35/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours dark brown/red with a huge khaki head that lingers. The aroma is some slight funk as well as tart cherry and candi sugar. The taste is incredibly complex. The progression seems to be sour, Belgian Dubbel, coffee then sour with a cherry aftertaste. Not a very sweet ber. Medium mouthfeel and medium-high carbonation. Great collaboration that finishes very dry. Gets more sour as it warms.

Photo of glid02
4.3/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

On-tap at the Brick Store.

Pours a dark brown color with a 1.5-finger tan head. The head recedes into a thin layer on top leaving solid lacing.

Smells of tart cherries with hints of earthy hops. As the beer warms the cherry aromas become a bit more tart and hints of funk enter into things.

Tastes similar to how it smells, unlike the bottle I recently had. Dark malt flavors up front are joined almost immediately by loads of tart cherry flavors. Midway through the sip flavors imparted from brett make a muted appearance before giving way to the cherry flavors to carry on through to a crisp and mildly bitter ending. After the beer warms the ending changes a bit and very light roasted malt flavors linger on the palate.

Mouthfeel is good. It has a solid thickness with moderate carbonation.

Drinkability is very good. I finished my glass quicklky and could easily have another.

Overall I was very surprised how much the tap version differed from the bottle. I have to say that with the tap version the flavor profile has surpassed the aroma for complexity whereas the bottle version was the opposite. Both were very good beers however and I recommend giving this one a shot no matter where you see it.

Photo of rhoadsrage
3.81/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

(Served in a tulip)
A- A jet black body supports a thick tan head that has a nice sticky lace that remains on the glass. The head last and last turning into a billow cloud in the middle of the glass.
S- The smell is a fragrant pig farm with some earthy hints in the background.
T- The barnyard flavor blends with some dark roasted malt and a chocolate flavor in the background. There is a slight tartness in the finish with a cherry note and a very faint lemon tartness. As the beer warms the tartness grows along with the roasted flavor.
M- This beer has a medium-full mouthfeel with a tight fizz when warms but no alcohol heat.
D- The tartness and mellow roasted malts have a hint of fruit but everything is a bit odd all mixed together. I love De Prof and this series but I was a bit underwhelmed by this beer.

Photo of weasbri
4.23/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The recipe for the tourtière we had for dinner tonight suggested pairing it with Unibroue Maudite, but I figured this was a close enough substitute.
Poured into a tulip glass: dark brown with a nice almost stout-like head. Actually froths back up a little when disturbed, good lacing.
Roasted malt aroma, bordering into chocolaty. Hint of fruit wafts up as well.
Well balanced flavor. More strong roasted malt, into coffee this time. Definite strong cherry flavor once you let it warm on your tongue for a little while.
There was a funkiness to this beer somewhere along the line, but also a fine sweetness too. Really interesting beer that I might have to pick up again soon.

Photo of AKBelgianBeast
4.15/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a very dark, nearly impenetrable black with a nice light tan head that retains pretty darn well leaving good lacing.

Nose is quite complex. Some flemish notes of vinegar and oak, and a touch of wild yeast, but subdued a bit. The cherry is actually quite prominent in the nose, which does compliment the flemish notes in the nose very well. Almost some lurking chocolate malt in there as well.

Complexity is certainly not lacking in the flavor as well. Definitely some more porter like notes here than there were in the nose. On the other hand, definitely less flemish notes in the taste than there were on the nose, but they are definitely here, and the brett makes its presence known without overwhelming. Slight flemishy vinegar, but not as strong as it would be in your average flemish tart brew. The cherry juice is a nice addition, and helps meld the two styles pretty well. The finish has slight bitterness, but certainly not alot of hop flavors. The aftertaste brings more subtle porter roastiness and lingering cherry.

Mouthfeel is a tad thinner than i would like, but its pretty good. The carbonation could be toned down just a tad. Nice and dry on the finish.

Drinkability is pretty good, but this is a very complex beeer that needs to be enjoyed over a long period of time. There is a tad of alcohol presence, but nothing severe.

Overall, this is much better than it sounded. The description sounds like a long shot amalgam of flavors and styles, but they've actually pulled it off. The cherry juice is sort of key here becuase it really works with both styles and sort of brings them together without making this one too much of a mess. Some skilled brewing in here. Well done.

Photo of Sammy
4/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle at Cole's. a unique experience. Thae aroma is oregeno and Balsamic vinegar and other salad oil, pleasant really. Dark brown, with a white head, that becomes lighter in brown through the bottle. The taste of chocolate malt, yes gooseberries and understated cherry as in Choocolate bars. Much lace, poetic combinations of it. Some interesting sweetness. Smooth. Incredible balance for it all.

Photo of SpeedwayJim
2.89/5  rDev -27%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Courtesy of BBF 2010. Poured from a 750ml corked and caged bottle into Lost Abbey stemware.

A: Corked ejects with a loud and crisp pop. Standard pour yields a 1 finger dense, fine light mocha head with good retention. Beer is a semi-cloudy, dark, nearly opaque purple. Lacing is thick and patchy with nice cling. A really nice looking beer.

S: Nose reminds me of an infected stout but much less pungent. Sour cherry and smoked fresh plums and prunes. Also a hint of liquorice, clove, and cocoa powder. Some Belgian yeast spiciness in the background imparts a bit of sweetness. Not sure what to think of this really.

T: Opens sour cherry and smoked malt mixed with sour grapes and prunes. Awkward. Tart fruit continues to dominate as some chocolate, spices, and Belgian yeast flavors creep in towards the middle. Flavors integrate a bit better towards the end but a certain strange charred fruit character lingers. End is slightly sour and smoky with a burnt fruit finish and aftertaste. The flavors just don't work for me in this one.

M: Medium bodied with moderate carbonation. Smooth and silky with some bubbles in the mouth and yeasty and moderately lively going down. Finish is messy with a sticky, lingering aftertaste. Pretty standard overall though I'd expect a touch more carbonation from the style.

O: I can see where the brewers were going with this creation but the flavors just don't work for me. The sourness is a nice touch but it doesn't complement the Belgian fruitiness well here and the smokiness that I get is a bit weird. An interesting beer overall but not one I'd revisit.

Photo of prototypic
4.03/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Van Twee pours a dark cola brown color. There's a moderate amount of haze, but light bleeding through gives it a burgundy appearance. A fluffy mocha tan head tops it off nicely. It's nearly three fingers tall and takes its time receding. Sticky strands of lace line the glass. Very impressive.

The nose is good. It kicks off with a whiff of chocolate. Belgian yeast quickly follows and has a strong presence throughout. Good stuff. There's a healthy amount of musky, earthy notes. There's a bit of a funky brett scent, as well. It's rather moderate in terms of strength, and works nicely. Subtle scents of dark fruits and various spices emerge on the tail. Alcohol is blended well.

The flavor is good. Better than I expected. I read that this tastes like 'chocolate covered cherries.' I'm not really getting much of that. There is definitely a nice chocolate flavor. Chocolate malts give it a sturdy base and work extremely well with Belgian yeast. The Belgian yeast is very flavorful. It's musky, funky, and a little sour. But, the sour flavor is more vinegar-esque rather than sour cherries. Just my take. I like the restrained Brett flavor quite a bit. There are some light dark fruit notes and spices rounding it out. Alcohol isn't noticeable at all. It finishes funky and a little sour.

Van Twee felt a tad thin early on, but has graduated to a medium body with a little warming. Carbonation is active and slightly buzzy. Ultimately, the feel is nice and smooth. Drinkability is good. The flavor is good and it isn't too big in terms of abv. Nevertheless, a 750 is way more than enough.

Van Twee is a very nice collaboration between De Proefbrouwerij and John Mallett of Bell's Brewing. I like it quite a bit. It does seem like a little something extra is missing, and that's perhaps why I'm not in love with it. I'm not exactly sure what that is, but it is apparent. The chocolate flavor definitely makes it unique. It's very much worth a try if you haven't had the opportunity.

Photo of tempest
3.73/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

On-tap at the Farmhouse in Emmaus PA. Overall, this is an interesting and tasty Belgian, but it's not Proef's best brewing. It's a mix of dark bread crust, sweet cherries, and cocoa powder, but in a world of great Belgians, it's a touch flat. The body is smooth and drinkable, just a little on the thick side.

Photo of PretzelCity
3.65/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured out a nice deep brown with a billowing fluffy two inch white head. Smells kind of like a nice Oud Bruin, reminiscent of Cuvee de Tomme. Slightly sweet, some alcohol and cherries. This one took a long time to warm up before it really revealed itself. Before it warmed up it had a bit of a metallic quality, but slowly that faded. Slightly sweet, some acidity hits the back corners of your mouth. The cherry juice doesn't really show up until the finish and into the aftertaste, which reminds me a lot of cherry jolly ranchers. Light to medium body, slight alcohol burn upfront, the one bottle is probably the most I could handle. Decent beer.

Photo of nickd717
3.95/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Based on the comments of several haters, I expected this one to be a train wreck. Not so at all.

Pours a dark ruddy brown color with a large lasting tan head.

Roasty and dark chocolatey aroma with slight brett a little fruitiness.

Flavor is almost like a slightly tart cherry stout. Very roasty with charcoal and bitter dark chocolate, along with Belgian notes and brett.

Medium-light body with high carbonation from the wild yeast.

Surprisingly solid stuff. Would drink this again, no question.

Photo of RRC87
3.95/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Appearance: Pours a dark almost opaque. Has a minimal head, which has great retention.
Smell: Has a mild sour taste with a strange funk that is like nothing I have ever experienced before.
Taste: Starts out with a mild hint of caramelized malt, which proceeds to an overwhelming taste of sour cherries (which only makes since). The funk that was so prevalent in the aroma is reduced to a supporting role that can only be detected in the after taste.
Mouth feel: I was surprised by how carbonated this was for how dark it is. This beer is very dry and leaves the drinker almost thirstier than they were before drinking.
Drinkability: This beer is fairly drinkable. It would be impossible to drink this beer quickly or for an extended period of time, but a bottle a night would be extremely doable.

Photo of Maction
3.65/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Into a Bell's tulip at Hopleaf, it's dark mahogany with a dense mocha-colored head.

S: Smells like sweet cherries, linen, mineral spray

T: I first get bitter chocolate, then sour cherries both in the middle and on the finish, yeasty bread, and finally a fairly dry and tart finish. Intriguing characteristics that make we want to take another sip to figure it out.

M: A dry and light mouthfeel.

D: This is a crazy sweet/dry, fruit/bitter, complex brew. I can't tell if it's too complex for me or just a hot mess.

Photo of Minotaur
3.44/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

On Tap at Spinnerstown Hotel - poured into a goblet glass from the hand pump.

A smooth deep chocolate brown-black with little opacity. The head is fizzy, solid and one finger head. There is more carbonation present than the dark richness would lead you to expect. Lacing is substantial, spotty but attractive and enduring.

The aroma is some roasted chocolate scent with the cherry tartness poking through. There is a tiny bit of brett farmhouse funk in the nose but not enough to give itself away casually. The aroma is the one aspect of this beer that I actually found weak. Especially once tasting it, I would have appreciated a strong upfront aroma.

The first sip is a blast of sour cherry over top dark cocoa flavors. As you take progressive drinks and the glass warms, the sourness becomes less overwhelming but does endure through the entirety of ever quaff. There are some complex layers going on including chocolate and caramel sweetness, licorice, cloves, burnt malts, roast, and the lingering hay-grass like quality

The mouthfeel is a bit thin and could benefit from some chewiness and density with this degree of flavor complexity. If you are into sours this is a drinkable ale. The alcohol while present doesn't intrude, and it is not particularly hard hitting despite being hefty.

Unique and tasty but also definitely a taste to be acquired.

Photo of emerge077
3.93/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Sustained pop, tried to get the cork to fly, nothing more than a couple feet though. Open bottle had a musty leather aroma with a distinct cherry note.

Amazingly dense ruffled tan foam. Hangs around, leaving globs all around the edges. Body is black with a mahoghany glint.

Faint roast and coffee notes linger in the aftertaste. Cherry tartness in the beginning, all natural from the fruit. Well integrated, supple and mellow. Tasty with a nice lingering black cherry porter impression. Recommend splitting a bottle, but it could be finished solo.

Photo of BeerFMAndy
4.54/5  rDev +14.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

750 ml corked and caged bottle split and poured into a Duvel tulip. 7.5% ABV, Bell 01 printed on cork.

Thanks to Sweemzander for bringing this over.

A - Clear dark brown on the pour but almost black in the glass. A dense light khaki head pops up and lowers slowly leaving the classic Belgian lace in rings on the glass.

S - Wow. Very interesting and intoxicating aroma of barnyard funk like horse blanket and damp straw. Dark candi sugar pokes through with porter-like roasted malts and light hints of cherry. The balance on the nose is impeccable.

T - The way the flavor moves fluidly though the changes is fantastic. A Belgian dark ale of deep fruity notes blends seamlessly with a roasted porter taste of toasted and roasted malts and the cherry flavor. Then it ends with a barnyard funk less powerful than the nose. More balanced with the rest of the flavors adding a touch of wet straw and horse blanket.

M - Medium-full bodied with a light funk and a mild cherry tart finish. Smooth and almost silky down the tongue.

D - Splitting a bottle of this is no problem since the balance of flavors is fantastic and it's smooth. Very good. The flavor profile is unique in that it's half Belgian and half American porter almost.

Photo of JohnGalt1
3.97/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

750 picked up at the COOP on Thursday.. sharing with Brenda.. mine is poured into my Delirium goblet..

2 finger tan head.. pretty nice lacing.. the brew is pretty dark brown.. a bit turbid..

Nose is cherries with a bit of a tannic overtone.. cocoa.. a little bretty dustiness..

Flavor begins with a nice estery sour cherry element that sorta moves into a dry cocoa.. there is plenty of maltiness from mid palate to the finish... the brett really is just barely there in a dark sorta gritty cellar component that helps dry out the finish yet somehow still some malts and cherry essence finish out long and strong.. body is a solid medium, but the abundant carbonation sorta pushes flavors through the palate.

The cherries seem to become more melded as it warms up... the brett blossoms though.. nice for sure.. I still am a bit surprised we scored these here in Boise.. but I'm not complaining.. I want some for cellaring for sure.. I think the brett is going to do some neat stuff and eat up the residual sugars turning this into a much drier brew.


Photo of jsanford
3.53/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

750ml bottle pouted into a Tulip Glass.

A - Pours darkest brown with slightly crimson edges and a creamy, khaki-colored head that settles to a slight haze, leaving behind sheets of sticky lacing.
S - Sweet malt, dark chocolate, and tart cherries. Pretty nice, reminds me of a cherry cordial.
T - Taste is pretty close to the nose, lots of dark malt, coffee, chocolate, and more tart cherries. Very similar to Bells Cherry Stout, which makes sense given the collaboration.
M - Smooth and a touch creamy, with a medium mouthfeel and fairly crisp carbonation.
O - A solid beer, and a nice take on the usual Bells Cherry Stout. I had this on-tap a couple of years ago, and this bottle didn't seem quite as good as it was then. Maybe my taste has just changed a bit.

Photo of LiquidAmber
3.62/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from 9/2010 notes. Poured into a Gulden Draak tulip. Pours a dark, dark red amber with a slight tan head and lacing. Aroma of cherries and spice with a bit of sour. Starts with light cherry sour, light malt, a moderate vinous flavor that carries through to a somewhat cherry sour, smooth finish. A somewhat astringent bitterness at the finish. Complex and well integrated, with a distinct wine-like component. Faint brett flavor that is satisfactory, but reasserts itself on warming. Moderate body. Nicely made, but finish isn't all that attractive to me. Pricey too.

Photo of mikesgroove
3.91/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Been dying to try this one for a while now and finally got the chance to last night. Opened up the bottle to be able to sit and enjoy TV with. This one was consumed on 02/24/2010.

The pour was phenomenal. Rich dark garnet in color with a huge, towering head of tan that literally just would not quit. Insane lacing then proceeds to thicken up and layer up and down the entire inside of the glass. Huge head, maybe three inches in height just would not quit and even ten minutes in this still looked like a monster of epic proportions. Aroma was a bit of a let down for me as it just didn't to have nearly the intense nature I was hoping for. Dark fruits, cherries, figs, a hint of a dark yeast strain and a touch of grain all combine to form a well rounded, albeit not as intense a profile. Warming brought a touch of tart out of it, but again nothing really coming across to me as being especially intense. Flavor was very nice for a strong Belgian. Nice use of malts, dark, foreboding taste, dark cherries, prunes, hints of figs and a nice and well rounded flavor. Slight drying, and slight tartness on the tongue on the finish and the medium to full body really seemed to fit in quite well. Not a hint of the abv showing and this made for a very enjoyable experience. 

Overall very solid, though not as good as some of the others in the series I still think it worked quite well. Not as tart and full of cherries as I would have hoped, but I think it worked for the style.

Photo of Bierguy5
4.13/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

750 ml bottle, 7.5% abv. Pours a murky brown color, close to mahogany. Thick beige head with excellent retention. Some nice patches of lace coating the sides.

Dark cherry in the nose, apples and other fruits. A hint of a yeasty note. Lots of depth in the nose. A bit of an earthy note at the end.

Sweet and tart cherry notes first. The cherry seems to meld with a small amount of chocolate. Some nice fruity notes blend in well. Soft earthy and yeasty notes round things out.

Medium body, very soft carbonation. Alcohol is well hidden. Nice blend of fruity flavors. Very enjoyable.

Photo of metter98
4/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: The beer is very dark reddish brown (close to near black) in color. It poured with a short tan head that died down but never completely faded away.
S: There are moderately strong aromas of chocolate malts and cherries in the nose.
T: The taste is similar to the smell and also has some hints of roasted malts and sourness. No bitterness is detectable.
M:It feels light- to medium-bodied on the palate and has a moderate amount of carbonation.
O: This is a beer that is both very flavorful and drinkable. It is remiss cent of a light stout.

Photo of mwilbur
4.15/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

My expectations are high as I have had other brews in this collaboration series!
Poured from 750 mL bottle into snifter.
A: Pours an opaque brown with huge 2-3 inch billowy dark tan head. Nice lacing and retention.
S: The brett is immediately apparent, but not overpowering. Tart lemon, cherry juice, roasted malt, and chocolate play around on the nose. Very nice.
T: A bit of a jumble...but a good one. Cherry, roasted malt, tart brett, hint of citrus and pear. Maybe a little banana and spice. The wide ranging tastes clash a bit too much. The premise was good, but perhaps they tried to do a bit too much here.
1/7/11 addendum: Nice smooth dark cherry with dark chocolate, hint of melon. Definitely has settled down, become more focused, and nicely so. Still a solid brew, has matured nicely.
11/10/12 addendum: Age has definitely helped smooth things out here. Much better with some age...the brett, fruit, and spice have settled down and evened out with the cherry, chocolate, and melon notes. Would give this a 4.5 now.
M: Soft and smooth with the faintest hint of alcohol bite. Tart brett lingers.
D: Definitely a solid and drinkable brew. I'm glad I got a few of these and would recommend seeking this out. I like the inventiveness and innovation. That said, it certainly isn't the all-star of this series (my vote would have to go to last year's amazing brew).
11/10/12 addendum: Give this one some age and it will reward you. It has held up amazingly well considering the 7.5% ABV. Would give this a 4.5 now. Hope I can find another one.

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Van Twee (w/ John Mallett) from De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)
89 out of 100 based on 163 ratings.