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Van Twee (w/ John Mallett) - De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)

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89
very good

159 Ratings
THE BROS
80
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Ratings: 159
Reviews: 130
rAvg: 3.95
pDev: 8.35%
Wants: 8
Gots: 18 | FT: 1
Brewed by:
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Belgium

Style | ABV
Belgian Dark Ale |  7.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: memyselfandi on 08-01-2009)
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Photo of SpeedwayJim
2.85/5  rDev -27.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Courtesy of BBF 2010. Poured from a 750ml corked and caged bottle into Lost Abbey stemware.

A: Corked ejects with a loud and crisp pop. Standard pour yields a 1 finger dense, fine light mocha head with good retention. Beer is a semi-cloudy, dark, nearly opaque purple. Lacing is thick and patchy with nice cling. A really nice looking beer.

S: Nose reminds me of an infected stout but much less pungent. Sour cherry and smoked fresh plums and prunes. Also a hint of liquorice, clove, and cocoa powder. Some Belgian yeast spiciness in the background imparts a bit of sweetness. Not sure what to think of this really.

T: Opens sour cherry and smoked malt mixed with sour grapes and prunes. Awkward. Tart fruit continues to dominate as some chocolate, spices, and Belgian yeast flavors creep in towards the middle. Flavors integrate a bit better towards the end but a certain strange charred fruit character lingers. End is slightly sour and smoky with a burnt fruit finish and aftertaste. The flavors just don't work for me in this one.

M: Medium bodied with moderate carbonation. Smooth and silky with some bubbles in the mouth and yeasty and moderately lively going down. Finish is messy with a sticky, lingering aftertaste. Pretty standard overall though I'd expect a touch more carbonation from the style.

O: I can see where the brewers were going with this creation but the flavors just don't work for me. The sourness is a nice touch but it doesn't complement the Belgian fruitiness well here and the smokiness that I get is a bit weird. An interesting beer overall but not one I'd revisit.

SpeedwayJim, Apr 27, 2011
Photo of womencantsail
2.98/5  rDev -24.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

A dark amber color with a little extra dose of brown. Sort of oxidized at this point, but nice cherry and caramel aromas. A bit of brown sugar and toffee, maybe a slight roast. Too much cardboard for my tastes, though. The flavor is similarly old and oxidized. Prunes, plums, and cherries give a decent fruit character and there is a lot of sugary sweetness to it as well. Still can’t quite escape the cardboard.

womencantsail, Jul 03, 2012
Photo of CoolEthan
3/5  rDev -24.1%

CoolEthan, Dec 20, 2013
Photo of kojevergas
3.13/5  rDev -20.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

1 pint 9.4 fl oz brown glass bottle with hood and wire cap over a cork served into a Guinness goblet in me gaff in low altitude Los Angeles, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are very high; I think this is my first beer from Bell's Brewery. Cork is labelled "Bell 01". No best before date is visible. A so called "mash-up" of a porter and dubbel according to the label.

Served refrigerator cold and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured as no carbonation issues are anticipated.

A: Pours a half finger head of nice cream, decent thickness, and average retention considering the ABV. Colour is a weak light solid black. No yeast particles are visible due to its opaque nontransparency.

Sm: Very yeasty, with sour cherry, bacteria, cream, hints of porter-esque chocolate, and subtle fruit esters: grapefruit and apple (of all things). A moderate strength aroma. Complex, but strange. I wouldn't call it appealing or unappealing.

T: Some sour cherry and yeast are the first things I notice. The portery notes - weak chocolate and cream - collide with the rest of the beer, unsettling the balance. I like the cherry. The hop fruit esters hardly come through at all even when I search for them. Some candied sugar. Biscuity malt. Dark malts. The cherry juice on the finish is nice. A strange taste all around. Full bodied. No alcohol comes through. It's pleasant but far from refreshing. I like it, but I'm not looking forward to downing a whole bottle of it. It isn't unique or special.

Mf: Some cream. Smooth and wet. Too thick. Adequately carbonated. Suits the flavours decently.

Dr: Drinkable to an extent - you wouldn't want a full bottle to yourself because it's neither particularly high in quality nor particularly refreshing. I like that they're experimenting, but this needs work. I wouldn't recommend this to friends, nor would I get it again. Extremely pricey for the limited quality. Hides it ABV well. A disappointment coming from brewers that are so respected. I hope Bell's other offerings are better.

Gets a bit better as it warms.

Drank fine out of me goblet. Perhaps a tulip or snifter is best.

I guess it'd age okay. It's not at a good starting point as is.

C+

kojevergas, Apr 06, 2012
Photo of ArrogantB
3.15/5  rDev -20.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

I picked this up based upon previous experiences with De Proef beers and Les Deux Brasseurs. This sadly did not measure up for me. It was dark brown, almost black and the head was sizable. The smell was a bit horsey which I like but it didn't last. There was a hint of cherries and spice. The flavor also had a bit of cherries and a tiny bit of funk but overall I did not find anything memorable or enjoyable about this. It was not bad by any means but also was not enjoyable for my palate. I was actually a little bummed that I spent the $15 for this but I'll still try anything else De Proef puts out.

ArrogantB, Mar 01, 2010
Photo of Trashcat
3.25/5  rDev -17.7%

Trashcat, Friday at 04:44 PM
Photo of acurtis
3.25/5  rDev -17.7%

acurtis, Apr 14, 2013
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3.25/5  rDev -17.7%

Piddmeista, Dec 20, 2013
Photo of TheKingofWichita
3.3/5  rDev -16.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Tried at Sexual Chocolate 2011.
Pours a dark brown color with ruby highlights and thin brownish white head and a little lacing. Smells of a ton of tartness and cherry, not much else. Tastes of cherries, belgian yeast, and good hops and malt flavor. Mouthfeel is medium with a little carbonation. Drinkability is low.

TheKingofWichita, Jan 30, 2011
Photo of maximum12
3.4/5  rDev -13.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Thanks to malty for dropping this into our annual in-person exchange of good beer at the Great Taste of the Midwest. Always a good five minutes. 750 ML bottle split into two tulips.

Pours dark brown. Interesting nose. Nice tart cherries welded to sweet fruitness. Belgian yeast, too.

Van Twee brings sour to the table that isn't so evident from the nose. Sweet, sugary, spicy yeast play footsy with cherries that are tart tart tart. The roast tilts are the cherry windmill...o-d-d-l-y. Clashing forcefully. Half a big bomber of this is more than enough.

Weird beer. I'm a huge fan of roast, & love a good fruit beer, but the combination here, with the Belgian characteristics, well, I applaud the unique effort, but just doesn't quite work for me. Pretty good brew.

maximum12, Dec 15, 2011
Photo of craytonic
3.45/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Appearance: Hazel-black pour, decent head and lacing. Highly carbonated. On both taste and mouthfeel, the cherries dominate with some light funk, prunes, and balsalmic vinegar. Perhaps some faint mocha/cappuccino. A bit too sweet. Medium-full mouthfeel with heavy carbonation. I prefer the use of tart cherries. Similar to three philosophers. Finished it, but didn't particularly want to.

craytonic, Jan 23, 2010
Photo of BeerAdvocate
3.5/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from BeerAdvocate Magazine Issue #34 (Nov 2009):

Hybrid of the Porter and Dubbel styles with sour cherry juice and Brettanomyces added to the secondary fermentation. Funky and extreme!!

Wow, the Porter side made sure this beer was dark. Good lacing all around. Some tart- ness from the cherries and yeast with some charred malt and musty Brett action going on as well. Fluffy crispness, moderately dry body. At first taste, this beer comes off a little brash with a clash of tartness from the cherries and Brett with the roasted grain flavor that wields a dry charred character. Brett comes across with its funk: horse blanket and wet leather, both of which stay mild. Add the cherry juice to the mix, and there is almost a cherry grove note there. The burnt grain flavor lets off a bit ... or at least our palates are be- coming used to the contrast here. Finishes relatively dry with a linger of tartness and char.

Super complex, a slow sipper and something you need to share with a friend or two. A treat bottle, though it would be fun to see how this cellars as well.

BeerAdvocate, Nov 15, 2010
Photo of Minotaur
3.5/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

On Tap at Spinnerstown Hotel - poured into a goblet glass from the hand pump.

A smooth deep chocolate brown-black with little opacity. The head is fizzy, solid and one finger head. There is more carbonation present than the dark richness would lead you to expect. Lacing is substantial, spotty but attractive and enduring.

The aroma is some roasted chocolate scent with the cherry tartness poking through. There is a tiny bit of brett farmhouse funk in the nose but not enough to give itself away casually. The aroma is the one aspect of this beer that I actually found weak. Especially once tasting it, I would have appreciated a strong upfront aroma.

The first sip is a blast of sour cherry over top dark cocoa flavors. As you take progressive drinks and the glass warms, the sourness becomes less overwhelming but does endure through the entirety of ever quaff. There are some complex layers going on including chocolate and caramel sweetness, licorice, cloves, burnt malts, roast, and the lingering hay-grass like quality

The mouthfeel is a bit thin and could benefit from some chewiness and density with this degree of flavor complexity. If you are into sours this is a drinkable ale. The alcohol while present doesn't intrude, and it is not particularly hard hitting despite being hefty.

Unique and tasty but also definitely a taste to be acquired.

Minotaur, Jan 14, 2010
Photo of polishkaz
3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

polishkaz, Sep 04, 2012
Photo of illidurit
3.5/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

750 mL bottle shared at the July Santa Cruz tasting. Pours a medium brown color with an ecru head. Aroma of soy, molasses, chalky chocolate, dark fruits. Flavor is cheap chocolate and sweet cherries, light coffee roastiness, low on brett influence, some assorted dark fruit accents, soy sauce. Kind of muddled and sweet. I'd like to revisit this after the brett gets settled in and maybe cleans it up a bit.

illidurit, Jul 24, 2011
Photo of Faina
3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

Faina, Jan 05, 2012
Photo of fear025
3.5/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Aroma:Sour cherries and acrid harshness.

Appearance:Brown and opaque. Nice tan head with amazing retention.

Taste:The foretaste of this one is a bright sour cherry flavor. In the midtaste, there are some metallic off flavors. This persists through the aftertaste. After a few sips, this off flavor fades a bit, but not completely.

Mouthfeel:Medium body with lots of sour astringency.

Drinkability:This is a good sour cherry Belgian beer, although I'm not sure spending a year in my cellar improved it at all.

fear025, Mar 02, 2011
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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

jophish17, Dec 24, 2011
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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

akang, Dec 20, 2013
Photo of jsanford
3.53/5  rDev -10.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

750ml bottle pouted into a Tulip Glass.

A - Pours darkest brown with slightly crimson edges and a creamy, khaki-colored head that settles to a slight haze, leaving behind sheets of sticky lacing.
S - Sweet malt, dark chocolate, and tart cherries. Pretty nice, reminds me of a cherry cordial.
T - Taste is pretty close to the nose, lots of dark malt, coffee, chocolate, and more tart cherries. Very similar to Bells Cherry Stout, which makes sense given the collaboration.
M - Smooth and a touch creamy, with a medium mouthfeel and fairly crisp carbonation.
O - A solid beer, and a nice take on the usual Bells Cherry Stout. I had this on-tap a couple of years ago, and this bottle didn't seem quite as good as it was then. Maybe my taste has just changed a bit.

jsanford, Jan 12, 2012
Photo of femALEist
3.53/5  rDev -10.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Van Twee Belgian Ale, which is a dark belgian ale brewed with cherry juice and 7.5%. This beer was interesting. It did not blow me away with the first sip, as I was expecting more cherry flavor but the flavor grew bigger and bigger with every sip until I really enjoyed it. It was a bit smokey in flavor and had some notes of sour in the finish; which contrasted nicely once the cherry flavor became abundant. Overall, it was OK. It was good to try but I probably won't buy this one again. Nothing really made it a fantastic beer to buy.

femALEist, Nov 12, 2009
Photo of ccrida
3.55/5  rDev -10.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

750ml bottle poured into my large Duvel tulip, Van Twee is very dark garnet with a big, frothy light tan head leaving huge chunks of foamy lace.

Smell is really complex, and intense. Roasted/chared dark malts, some butterscotch and cherry, like a baltic porter.

Taste is crazy - from my first sip, I though whoa, too much, way disjointed. Like this nose, this reminds me of a take on a baltic porter, but exaggerated. Very baltic porter like, it's got that nutty/buttery strong porter flavor, but with cherries, which are more pronounced then the nose. The brett is not very strong, mostly on the finish, but a side note at best...

Mouthfeel is on the drier side but with some slickness, medium bodied.

Drinkability is okay, but for some reason, it just didn't really come together for me...

ccrida, Feb 21, 2010
Photo of LiquidAmber
3.6/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Review from 9/2010 notes. Poured into a Gulden Draak tulip. Pours a dark, dark red amber with a slight tan head and lacing. Aroma of cherries and spice with a bit of sour. Starts with light cherry sour, light malt, a moderate vinous flavor that carries through to a somewhat cherry sour, smooth finish. A somewhat astringent bitterness at the finish. Complex and well integrated, with a distinct wine-like component. Faint brett flavor that is satisfactory, but reasserts itself on warming. Moderate body. Nicely made, but finish isn't all that attractive to me. Pricey too.

LiquidAmber, Aug 02, 2012
Photo of PretzelCity
3.63/5  rDev -8.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured out a nice deep brown with a billowing fluffy two inch white head. Smells kind of like a nice Oud Bruin, reminiscent of Cuvee de Tomme. Slightly sweet, some alcohol and cherries. This one took a long time to warm up before it really revealed itself. Before it warmed up it had a bit of a metallic quality, but slowly that faded. Slightly sweet, some acidity hits the back corners of your mouth. The cherry juice doesn't really show up until the finish and into the aftertaste, which reminds me a lot of cherry jolly ranchers. Light to medium body, slight alcohol burn upfront, the one bottle is probably the most I could handle. Decent beer.

PretzelCity, Feb 07, 2010
Photo of Maction
3.63/5  rDev -8.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Into a Bell's tulip at Hopleaf, it's dark mahogany with a dense mocha-colored head.

S: Smells like sweet cherries, linen, mineral spray

T: I first get bitter chocolate, then sour cherries both in the middle and on the finish, yeasty bread, and finally a fairly dry and tart finish. Intriguing characteristics that make we want to take another sip to figure it out.

M: A dry and light mouthfeel.

D: This is a crazy sweet/dry, fruit/bitter, complex brew. I can't tell if it's too complex for me or just a hot mess.

Maction, Nov 09, 2009
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Van Twee (w/ John Mallett) from De Proefbrouwerij (bvba Andelot)
89 out of 100 based on 159 ratings.