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Seventeen - Weyerbacher Brewing Co.

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very good

249 Ratings
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Ratings: 249
Reviews: 83
rAvg: 3.77
pDev: 13%


Brewed by:
Weyerbacher Brewing Co. visit their website
Pennsylvania, United States

Style | ABV
Saison / Farmhouse Ale |  10.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
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(Beer added by: Rifugium on 06-02-2012)
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kylehay2004

Florida

4/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Single finger head on a cloudy golden body. Lots of banana citrus, corriander and grain. Perfect degree of sweetness. Flavor start musty with malts, herbs, corriander and light lemon sweetness in the finish. Medium body and moderate to high carbonation. I very nice saison. The aftertaste lingers and becomes a little sour and funky but otherwise very good.

Serving type: on-tap

07-27-2012 21:11:52 | More by kylehay2004
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axeman9182

New Jersey

3.35/5  rDev -11.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12 oz bottle from Amanti Vino's beer of the month program, poured into my petite Duvel tulip.

Weyerbacher's seventeenth anniversary ale pours an opaue tangerine. About a finger and a half of white foam floats atop the beer, not displaying much in the way of head retention or lacing. I'm surprised how much the peppercorns stand out, given all the citrus peel they have to compete with. Nonetheless, a floral, peppery aroma is what jumps out first. Bright citrus shines through next, and there's a slight (and not necessarily unpleasant) booziness present as well. Peppercorns are what take center-stage in the flavor profile as well. A warming alcohol note steps up to mingle with the spice, coming across as a little harsh at time. Grapefruit highlighted citrus doesn't come in until the finish. I was hoping for a little bit more and a little bit better balance. The body is somewhat full, I guess even a saison can't be bone dry at 10%. The carbonation has a little bit of life to it though. Weyerbacher Seventeen wasn't a bad beer, but dependnig on how fast peppercorns fade vs citrus peel fades, I think a little bit of time could do it well.

Serving type: bottle

07-26-2012 03:18:05 | More by axeman9182
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Darkmagus82

Virginia

3.88/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Served on tap in a 10 oz chalice glass

Appearance – It was served a light orange color with a tiny white head. The head disappeared quickly leaving almost no lacing.

Smell – The aroma is heaviest of sweet citrus. Notes of orange, tangerine and a sweeter lemon are all there. Mixed with this is a lighter aroma of grapefruit as well as a good Belgian yeasty and spice aroma. As expected for a 10.5 % abv brew, there is also a light presence of an alcohol aroma as well.

Taste – The taste begins with the fruit sweetness. The fruit is of banana, orange, and some lemon. These flavors are mixed with a yeasty flavor right up front. As the taste moves on some of the spicy flavors come to the tongue, with a decent presence of pepper and clove. The alcohol that was detected in the nose then hits the scene. It starts out weaker, but as the taste goes on it a bit stronger, but never comes to a very potent taste. In the light alcohol mixed with the spiced fruit flavors leaves a sweet warming feel on the tongue.

Mouthfeel – The body of the brew is on the thicker side with a carbonation level that is just below average. Both suit the fruity and spiced flavors of the beer quite well.

Overall – At 10.5 % this was a very easy to drink and pleasant brew. A very nice saison if I would say.

Serving type: on-tap

07-25-2012 00:10:00 | More by Darkmagus82
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mocktm

Virginia

3.23/5  rDev -14.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Picked up a four pack of this for $17; a bit pricey but I suppose it is 10.5%.

Hazy orange color, modest white head and minimal lacing to match.

Nose is boozy, really boozy. The orange, lemon and grapefruit peel definitely contribute a sweet fragrance, but this is really overpowered by the heat. I don't really detect any pink peppercorns either, but really, I don't even know what that is...so yeah.

Tastes as I expected: sweet, citrusy, and boozy as hell. They really overdid the alcohol on this one and I don't really think it works. Also no barnyard funk what so ever, the very characteristic of a solid Saison.

Medium to semi heavy in body. Booze is not hidden at all. One and done for sure, I'm switching to something else.

Overall, a disappointment. I'll throw the remaining in the cellar and hope time does its magic to the booze and over compensating sweetness.

Serving type: bottle

07-24-2012 21:50:05 | More by mocktm
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rlee1390

Indiana

3.5/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

A-Cloudy orange, some carbonation with a one finger head.

S-Clove banana with lemon and orange. Wheat rounds it out.

T-Kind of all over the place. Alcohol is present. The nice nose turns into an odd mesh of clove and banana. The lemon and orange do not come through much.

M-Medium bodied but little to no carbonation.

O-Maybe this beer needs to sit for a while, calm down and balance itself out. So far though Weyerbacher Anny beers have not been good.

Serving type: bottle

07-23-2012 23:46:38 | More by rlee1390
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tdm168

North Carolina

4/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to jtd1969 for bringing this to the tasting.

A - bright yellow with little head

S - banana, clove

T - lemon, banana, clove

M - over carbonated, crisp, light to medium bodied

This is an alright Saison. For 10.50% it doesn't have great body, but the alcohol isn't as prevalent as one would anticipate. The flavor and aroma are simple and one-dimensional. Overall, a decent beer but boring. I'll pass in the future.

Serving type: bottle

07-22-2012 23:15:25 | More by tdm168
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DrDemento456

Pennsylvania

3.6/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

This one almost passed over the radar. Grabbed a single from the House of 1,000 beers for 4 bucks (a tad expensive but it's the only place I found it.

A - As expected it's a hazy amber in hue and for the ABV it's low in carbonation with a mere lace ring. It looks sticky though.

S - Smells fairly good for a Saison. Belgium yeasts, wheat, coriander, white pepper, and quite a bit of alcohol.

T - Ow damn the ABV is cloying as hell. A strong yet semi-balanced alcohol taste carries over mild waves of coriander spice, lemon like zest, and a touch of banana. Halfway though the glass the wheat thankfully comes into play balanced the ridiculous ABV of this beer but it's too little too late.

M - Heavy a sipper for sure.

Overall I am not really planning on getting this again and really as unimpressed with this as the 16th (braggot) Hopefully next years release with be a high octane stout since these releases are ridiculously high ABV.

Serving type: bottle

07-22-2012 02:30:29 | More by DrDemento456
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billab914

Virginia

3.53/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle poured into my CBS snifter. Light orange in color with a thin, spotty head scattered across the top of the beer and concentrating around the edges of the glass.

The aroma has a strong presence of lemon zest and orange peel with a touch of bitter grapefruit citrus. The Belgian yeast spice is also playing a pretty big role in it. It's got a bit of a sweeter, almost honey like flavor to it as well.

The taste shows the yeast spice a little more prominently throughout. The citrus rind flavors are there as well giving it some lemon and orange zest. The finish is bitter with some grapefruit mixing in with yeast spices.

The mouthfeel is heavy for the style with carbonation being low. Overall, it was a pretty decent beer. It hid the abv very well and the flavors were pretty good. I'm not really sure the size and heavy feeling of the beer did it any favors though either. The refreshing, easy drinking qualities are usually the main reason I want to drink the style. It wasn't bad at all, but I think I'd choose something else in the style with half the alcohol content over it.

Serving type: bottle

07-21-2012 21:48:21 | More by billab914
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cmq103

New Jersey

3.75/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle into a Duvel Belgian Tulip glass. I picked up a 4-pack at the Shoprite Liquors in Hamilton, NJ.

Appearance: A semi-aggressive pour only got me a thin 1/8” off-white mostly diminishing head with a hazy amber hue background. Decent lacing as I tilt the glass sideways.

Smell: Belgian yeast and candied fruit sweetness erupts with a gentle swirl of the glass. The aroma reminds me more of a Belgian Triple with its fruity esters and boozy nose. I also catch a hint of spice, though not peppercorn as expected.

Taste: Boozy-fruity sweetness rolls off the tongue right away, followed by some lemon zest and spices. I can taste just a hint of peppercorns in the finish. Again, this reminds me a Belgian Triple with its boozy sweetness blended with the fruitiness and spices of a Saison. This beer is very different, yet inviting at the same time. Don’t kid yourself though; the booziness doesn’t pretend to be shy. This one is bold and brash throughout each and every sip.

Mouthfeel: Medium to heavy body with lively carbonation with a fruity and boozy dry finish that leaves you feeling warm and toasty in the summer.

Overall: Certainly a unique beer that’s well worth a try. I haven’t met a Weyerbacher beer that I didn’t like. Their Slam Dunkel is one of my favorites, but unfortunately I haven’t been able to find it in a 1/6 keg like last year. A well done “big” Saison with a Belgian Tripel feel. Enjoy!!

Serving type: bottle

07-19-2012 00:17:01 | More by cmq103
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ColForbinBC

New Jersey

3.95/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle

Pours a hazy glowing orange with a sturdy one+ finger ecru cap. Great retention, big sip marks line the glass.

The aroma is sweet citrus and spice. Grapefruit peel seems to stand out the most, with lemon peel and orange peel coming in second and third. Spicy peppercorns, bubble gum, and a bit of acetone round out the nose.

Sweetness prevails. Grapefruit and bubble gum wrap around the palate before a rush of orange and tart lemon. Peppercorns burst through in the finish, mixing with acetone/ethanol, sweet fruit, and bubble gum.

Medium feel with mild carbonation. There's some heft to this beer. It has a billowy feel to it. Lush and creamy.

A very nice saison with well-rounded fruit flavors and an extra spicy kick from the peppercorns. I will seek this out again.

Serving type: bottle

07-17-2012 18:47:39 | More by ColForbinBC
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Alieniloquium

Florida

3.55/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

12 oz. bottle poured into an Allagash chalice. Bottled 5/29/12.

Appearance - Clear golden body. Not much of a head. Not much left but a ring of foam and some lonely wisps of bubbles.

Smell - Lemony hops at first sniff. Smells like sorachi ace hops. Yeasty on further analysis. Banana and some esters. Fruity and maybe a little herbal in the back. Sweet and heavy smelling, it should be noted.

Taste - Less hoppy. Sweet. Bananas. The spiciness comes in the finish. Peppercorns are noticeable. It's pretty herbal in the finish, too. Too sweet, though. I'd like it to be lighter.

Mouthfeel - Heavy and sweet. Well carbonated, which helps. Definitely easier to drink when cold.

Overall - Good, well spiced, and some nice flavors. The bananas aren't my favorite flavor in a saison. Neither is the overpowering sweetness.

Serving type: bottle

07-16-2012 01:35:41 | More by Alieniloquium
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OWSLEY069

Pennsylvania

4.53/5  rDev +20.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Pours a hazy yellow color with an off white head. In the aroma, citrus rind, especially grapefruit. In the taste, grapefruit and orange citrus rind, peppery end, yet still sweet. A spice bite and a medium bodied mouthfeel, with a dry grapefruit citrus in the the aftertaste. Big citrus, small spice, nice alcohol, and quite super!

Serving type: bottle

07-14-2012 12:57:14 | More by OWSLEY069
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bonkers

New Jersey

3.78/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I poured from a 12 ounce bottle into a snifter, deep copper pour, light head, light lacing. The aroma is typical saison, lemony, zesty, spicy. Nothing really stands out in the taste, spicy, lemony, zesty. I did not pick up the peppercorns. The body is light, good carbonation, alcohol is extremely well hidden. A decent saison, not sure if a 10% abv is a good idea, but worth trying.

Serving type: bottle

07-13-2012 01:43:56 | More by bonkers
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trxxpaxxs

New York

2.9/5  rDev -23.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Pours a hazy golden straw with a full finger of pure white head. The foam takes quite awhile to settle. There is nice lacing as it drinks.

S: The nose is tons of citrus peel (mainly lemon and grapefruit) mixed with a generous helping of Belgian yeast. It's spicy, but I can't pull out the peppercorns.

T: It starts off with a nice mix of sweet, citrus and yeast. As it progresses on the palate it becomes insanely bready and funked. The finish is yeast and booze. This beer has some serious alcohol bite.

M: Medium bodied beer. There is a lot more heft to this beer than meets the eye. It's sweetness lingers from start to finish and it's boozy in the back end. Dry finish.

O: Not a fan of this at all. The initial flavors of this beer are alright, but it gets way too funky in the middle. It's overly yeasty and has a massive abv that is completely noticeable. Maybe this beer needs some time to settle, because right now it's not very good.

Serving type: bottle

07-08-2012 12:17:09 | More by trxxpaxxs
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JoeyBeerBelly

New York

4.08/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz bottle served in a snifter.

L - hazy dull-brass color with a white head that stayed as a ring.

S - lots of citrus and spice make the smell very nice.

T - starts with a yeasty wheat taste before the citrus rind, spice and peppercorn all come through finishing dry and a little peppery.

F - medium bodied with mild carbonation.

O - a good saison with a kick.

Serving type: bottle

07-07-2012 01:53:13 | More by JoeyBeerBelly
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justintcoons

Pennsylvania

3.15/5  rDev -16.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Poured into a goblet.

A: Extremely cloudy gold with sediment on the bottom of the glass. Very minimal head that dissipates quickly.

N: Clove, peppercorn, grainy and doughy malts and some lemon zest.

T: Quite heavy on the spices. Tons of clove and peppercorn. Grapefruit, caramel and lemon juice are on the front of the palate. Doughy, bready malts and banana peel kick in mid-palate. A lot of zests come in during the finish. Most notably grapefruit and lemon zest. Some light-medium booziness shows through.

M: Medium bodied, crisp, spicy, dry and warming.

O: Overly spiced with no Belgian yeast qualities. Definitely takes the off beaten path of a traditional Saison. Hides the alcohol considerably well. Meh, it's okay.

Serving type: bottle

07-06-2012 22:59:47 | More by justintcoons
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lordofthewiens

Maine

4.2/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

In a tulip glass this beer was a hzy gold color with a small white head.

Citrus and spice aroma. A little funky.

Things sorted themselves out in the taste. Lemon and orange, a little clove. Yeasty.

This beer felt right, with a nice blend of citrus and spice. The alcohol wasn't at all noticeable, a dangerous thing, perhaps.

Serving type: bottle

07-05-2012 22:59:23 | More by lordofthewiens
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cld253

Pennsylvania

4.33/5  rDev +14.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Fantastic take on a classic style. Sweeter than your standard Saison up front, but this hides the alcohol very, very well, then leads into a dry, spicy finish.
Some earthiness, some fruitiness, some kind of dangerous, ha.
Great anniversary beer, keep'em coming.

Serving type: bottle

07-05-2012 16:49:44 | More by cld253
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jlindros

Massachusetts

3.63/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a light fizzy head covering typical of a beer with this abv, over hazy carrot orange colored beer.

Nose brings floral spices, almost ancient ale like spices or a strong Belgian tripel, coriander like, hint of a peppercorn almost, lots of wheat hefe like aromas as well with the coriander and clove almost, banana, plenty of citrus zest with orange and hint of lemon like, and the malts are more wheat based with hints of a malty saison rustic aroma, some light blood orange and clementine like.

Taste starts again with a hefe like flavor, but citrus fruit flavors as well. Juicy wheats, lots of wheat, with lots of citrus fruits, blood orange, clementine, hint of a pink grapefruit as well. Then spices, light spices overall, but fairly saison like with hints of a light peppercorn, hint of coriander and slightly clove like, as well as citrus peel, light orange and lemon zest even. The zest brings a decent bitterness, but nagging bitterness, and a light chalky like taste as well which is kinda weird. Light yeasty dry bready malt as well. Just a light warming booze which is hidden well. Finish is slightly dry and decent lingering bitterness, lots of orange zest, lemon peel, blood orange juice lingering, lots of wheat and hefe like spices also last a while.

Mouth is med bodied, decent carb but not as much as I hoped, light warming booze that is hidden fairly well.

Overall not bad, almost like a very strong hefe blended with blood orange juice, light spices, zest, and some saison flavors, booze is hidden well, a good summer beer but overall not quite what I was expecting from a Weyerbacher beer, too much of various flavors blended together and don't seem to mesh as well as you would expect.

Serving type: bottle

07-04-2012 23:07:39 | More by jlindros
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BEERMILER12

Maine

3.95/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: Pours a slightly hazy golden yellow color with a fingers worth of head that fizzles down to almost nothing in minutes

S: Nice, strong fruity Belgian yeast, with plenty of citrus. Get a light hint of peppercorn as well, but the 3 citrus peel additions stand out much more

T: Follows the nose, along with a fairly strong alcohol presence. Super-Saison indeed. I think the alcohol actually enhances the spice flavors of the beer and lends some spiciness itself, which suits the style well (aside from the dose of alcohol, which is obviously out of style)

M: Fuller than most saisons, but that is almost a must to help with the alcohol. Low-moderate carbonation

O: I like the fact that Weyerbacher pushed the limit of the style with this beer. For people who don't know already, they have a condition with their anniversary beers that states that the beers must be at least 10%, hence the 10.5%. I think it does the job very well, even though most consider the style to be light and summery. Way to push the envelope

Serving type: bottle

07-03-2012 05:16:33 | More by BEERMILER12
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DaveHack

Pennsylvania

3.65/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Served at 55 degrees

Pours a really nice hazy, copper. Tons of tiny bubbles rush to the top. There is a small but determined head that rests nicely on the beer.

Smells of fresh citrus rind and slight spice. It is a very 'fresh' smelling saison.

First taste is a refreshing, crisp lemon. Although is is citrusy, I'm getting much tartness at all. How the f#$k is this over 10%??? This is probably the most well hidden alcohol I've EVER had. I'm not sure why it needs to be this high, but they sure hid it well!

This beer coats the mouth. It is much 'thicker' than most saisons, but in a really good way. Swallows easy leaving me wanting more.

This is damn fine beer from Weyerbacher. If only some Brett was thrown in there....but I digress...This is really a fine saison, but I still don't quite 'get' how/why this is such a high ABV? Definately give it a shot.

Serving type: bottle

07-02-2012 22:41:10 | More by DaveHack
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kawilliams81

Yukon (Canada)

3.45/5  rDev -8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a 10 oz chalice.

A- pours a cloudy lemon color with a 1 finger dense white head. Ring of lacing forms and settles immediately.

S- big lemon, clove, caramel, and spices.

T- citrus rind, lemon, spices, bitter off-flavor taste.

M- medium body and carbonation. I would have no idea this was 10.5% if I didn't see it on here.

O- ok saison but drinks very well for the abv.

Serving type: bottle

06-29-2012 02:13:40 | More by kawilliams81
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Greywulfken

New York

4/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: hazy amber beer with ivory head; slimmed down to a wisp of a collar; no lacing to speak of

S: citrus notes, soap, yeast

T: citrusy flavors and spices definitely, some herbal and floral background flavors; bitter apricot

M: denser than other saisons I've had - although the abv makes this like an "imperial" saison, so maybe it fits; slight tacky aftertaste

O: Weyerbacher has not had many hits with me, but this is my favorite of theirs so far - biased by my liking of strong pale ales and the few saisons I've had - this beer manages to be fairly crisp and slightly tart and bright despite a heavier-than-I-expected mouthfeel and strong abv. I was reminded of a tripel but with bitter qualities - almost like a tripel combined with DFH's Midas Touch. The more I drank this beer, the more I appreciated its qualities.

Serving type: bottle

06-26-2012 23:37:57 | More by Greywulfken
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Knapp85

Pennsylvania

4/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer poured out as a nice looking bright yellow color color, the head was fizzy and white. Not much retention or lacing on this one. The smell of the beer has a nice fresh grainy, herbal/spiced aroma to it. The taste of the beer had some nice spicy notes to it and well has the sweetness of the grains in there too. The mouthfeel of the beer was clean and crisp feeling with a little bit of heat in the finish from the ABV. Overall it's a really interesting Saison to say the least. I found it enjoyable, wouldn't buy a case but it was nice to try.

Serving type: bottle

06-25-2012 23:52:53 | More by Knapp85
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tobelerone

Connecticut

4.08/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Another very nice anniversary offering from Weyerbacher. A hazy, pale gold beer with a fluffy white head that settles slowly and strong lacing. Nose packs lots of citrus and tropical fruit aroma with some general Belgian-style yeastiness and the accompanying spice notes you’d expect. Cloves and pepper really pop out.

Flavor pretty much follows the nose. The beer is brewed with grapefruit, lemon, and orange peel so it’s no surprise there is a lot of citrus zing to it as well as some appealing bitterness from both the hops and the fruit. Light pith and aspirin notes, mild sweetness. Lots of spice and yeast character, the peppercorns really come out in the finish and provide a gentle tingle on the tongue. Really well balanced between all of the elements and that subtle, emerging peppery note ties it all together nicely.

Crisp feel on a medium body beer; lively carbonation; dry finish. Drinks clean, with absolutely no trace of the 10.5% ABV. Where did that go? Feels like it’s half that.

EDIT: I read the other reviews after writing mine. I've heard about batch variation issues, and Weyerbacher's in particular recently, but this is wild. Chewy and boozy? My bottle was the opposite of this. Booze was nowhere, and carbonation was crisp. Quite a refresher and one that felt right on in terms of body and carbonation for a Saison. Very odd. It can't just be perception. Flavors and aromas are one thing but carbonation and heft are much more concrete and straightforward.

Serving type: bottle

06-25-2012 22:02:45 | More by tobelerone
Seventeen from Weyerbacher Brewing Co.
85 out of 100 based on 249 ratings.