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Ommegang Cup O Kyndnes (Cup Of Kindness) - Brewery Ommegang

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Ommegang Cup O Kyndnes (Cup Of Kindness)Ommegang Cup O Kyndnes (Cup Of Kindness)

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86
very good

239 Ratings
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Ratings: 239
Reviews: 169
rAvg: 3.8
pDev: 12.11%
Wants: 11
Gots: 15 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Brewery Ommegang visit their website
New York, United States

Style | ABV
Scottish Ale |  6.60% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

"This fine Ommegang ale uses heather tips and a wee bit of smoked malt to bring the taste and aroma of Scotland to the forefront."

(Beer added by: akorsak on 08-05-2009)
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Photo of ZeroSignal
3.68/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A - Pours a dark, coppery brown with a light, tight, off-white to beige head. Nice retention and lacing

S - Scent is mildly yeasty, roasted and caramelized malts, hints of smoke and spice

T&M - Sweet, dark fruity flavors, roasted malts with a smoky quality. Nutty character that I typically look for in a Scotch Ale seems to be a background characteristic. Medium body with a good dose of carbonation. Finishes on the sweet side with a light dose of herbal hops.

D - I didn't think this was as far off from the style as some other reviewers did, and thought this take on it was pretty interesting. Shared a bottle with my Uncle and would gladly grab another.

Photo of ppoitras
4.08/5  rDev +7.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

750ml bottle purchased at Yankee Spirits, Sturbridge, MA. Corked and caged.

Poured into a Chimay chalice, formed a 1/2" tan head over the clear coppery burgundy brew. Frothy head lasts and lasts, with lots of sticky lasting lace. Aroma is sweet and floral.

Taste starts reasonably malty, spicy in the middle, with lightly bitter, floral close. Mouthfeel is very smooth, and drinkability is good. Nice new offering from Ommegang.

Photo of dstc
4/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a murky, deep brown color with a full, tan head. Head falls to a minimal one. Decent clinging lace.

Sweet malt aroma has a bit of an earthiness and herbal quality to it.

Sweet malt is the taste with a bit if spice ending with a lingering smoky peat taste.

Medium bodied and biting in the tongue.

Decent enough. Nice scotch that's more smoky than most common scotch ales.

Photo of mjaskula
3.38/5  rDev -11.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Served in a tulip glass, maybe not the most appropriate glass, but it looks pretty good in there. I poured fairly quickly and got a thick tan rocky head that leaves thick lacing as it fades. the beer itself is a dense dark brown with orange-red highlights when held to the light.

I found the aroma to be inviting and richly malty with a hint of that belgian character. There's something else there, that I can't place and assume is the heather. Also, I have a bit of a cold so i don't think that my sense of smell is keen right now. The flavor is very similar to the nose, a nice balance of maltiness and belgian yeast. There's a faint sourness in the finish and I didn't get any of the smoked malt that's mentioned on the label.

Mouthfeel is a little bit thick, but seems appropriate. I liked it well enough, but there's nothing special about this that makes me want to buy a second bottle.

Photo of clayrock81
3.78/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a auburn brown color with good lace patches left from the two-finger head on top of a thick, hearty malt aroma of both sweet and some dry/roasted malts along with a touch of hops. A thick, medium-to-heavy body that has a sweet malt taste of caramel and maybe some chocolate but is balanced with some hoppy bitterness and some odd fruit flavors, so it finishes crisp and dry yet w/ a fruity taste. I know I liked it, but I can't really pin this beer down. A nice sipper, though.

Photo of aepb1
3.63/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

D- Dark brown with red at the edges and a nice fluffy white head

S- Sweet fruit maltiness (perhaps fig?), spice and some hops

T- Scotch ale with some molasses and wheat, an interesting take on the style

M- Medium bodied and good carb

D- An interesting take on the style and I enjoy it, so I'm sure I'll revisit

Photo of barleywinefiend
2.75/5  rDev -27.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

If I did not know what style this was I could not have told you this was a Scottish Ale. Seriolusly?

A: Poured a ruddy brownish amber color with ok carbonations and a small dirty white head

S: Hints of caramel and thats about it. Faint.

T: Some smoke, wood, roasted malt, caramel but just not really exciting and plain. A murky mess of lackluster flavors.

M: Simplele, sticky and just not really fun to drink

D: Pass

Photo of Daniellobo
3.43/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Fair brew, a bit too generic under the Ommegang umbrella but deserving kudos for the attempt at diversity.

Presentation: 750 ml caged and corked brown bottle. Label with the Ommegang "0" in golden and Scottish fabric patterns. Side notes offer a history of the style, main ingredient and intent, as well as general Ommegang background info, and serving indications. Shows packaging date (08/10/10), and best by date (08/2012). Notes Alc. by Vol. (6.6%). Served in a tulip glass.

A - Dark amber brown pour with a good 1"+ head with moderate retention but a nice surface memory and lacing.

S - Yeasty Ommegang nose, malt touch in the back, faint herbal dash in the distance.

T - Yeasty sense predominates followed by a malty range repressed by an astringent side, minimal herbal/heather memory, as it flows (well into its final stages) some caramel comes to the rescue albeit a touch too late with an almost not existent smoky touch.

M - Medium body with medium-high carbonation, quite a prickly sense, lingering bitter range punctuates a brew that offers an almost dry touch under a smooth malty memory.

D - Can I say boring? It is not bad, but it is not good either. Monochord in a bit of an uninspiring way.

Notes: Hmmm, praiseworthy as an attempt, and it is not a bad brew, but the Ommegang sense, in particular around the yeast, and the Scoth ale range do not work very well together in the end, at least for me, it feels quite a bit perfunctory. I have to admit that as the bottle progressed it gained a bit, and the range was feeling richer and more enticing but didn't quite make it past the forgettable first impression.

Photo of philbe311
3.25/5  rDev -14.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A Belgian inspired Scotch Ale - Brilliant...

A - Two fingers worthy of airy ultra fluffy light tan colored head... Minimal retention gives way to a splotchy lacing and moderately thick collar... A deep rich medium brown color with some faint ruby highlights... Sparse sluggish carbonation is sporadic but can be seen throughout...

S - I get a huge whiff of apples at the outset... Everything else takes a backseat... Belgian yeast... Smoke... Peat... Some dark fruit notes... Not much in terms of sweetness though there may some very faint butterscotch notes...

T - Starts moderately sweet with notes of caramel and butterscotch... A bit of earthiness... A bit of belgian yeast... Some peat notes... Faint roasted malts... The finish is entirely a medium strength smokiness...

M - Medium bodied... An abundance of fizzy carbonation... A bit of a smokey finish... Not much complexity or sophistication...

D - A wonderful concept that in the end just doesn't add up for me... A little bit of a struggle to get down an entire bottle as I was desperately looking for a reason to upgrade my ratings... Not a beer I would neither recommend or seek out in the future... In the end the mouthfeel and the lack of melding of flavors really detract from a wonderful idea...

Photo of Brad007
3.78/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

My first Ommegang in at least a year or so.

Pours a cloudy, light burgundy color with a frothy head into my glass. Very good color.

Slightly sweet, flowery aroma greets the nose with a good hint of smoked malt to back it up.

Taste is crisp with a strong hint of smoked malt followed by heather and spicy yeast. It seems to work well with the spicy pizza that I'm eating.

Mouthfeel is warm and spicy, with perhaps too much spice. The smoked malt doesn't show as well as I'd hoped. Leans on rauchbier territory, even if both styles couldn't be very different.

Excellent but the spice overpowers the flavor, leaving the malt to fight for recognition. Worth at least one try.

Photo of avalon07
3.9/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Poured from a bottle to a pint glass. Had a brownish-red color and a slightly cloudy consistency. There was a half inch of creamy, fairly long-lasting head. Good lacing.

S: An unusual aroma of smoked malt, caramel, and fruit. Smelled like a Belgian beer, but not quite.

T: Tasted of smoked malt, a slight peaty quality, pears, and some yeast. As it is with the smell, the taste was something like a Belgian ale, but also similar to a Scottish ale. Strange, but flavorful.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a dry finish. Medium-bodied.

D: Not quite my favorite Ommegang creation, but drinkable nonetheless.

Photo of oberon
3.9/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into my Isle of Arran glass a deep mahagony brown with a fluffy one finger off white head,aromas of Belgian yeast (most know what that is),slight smoked meat,and brown sugar.Flavors start out somewhat dry in its herbalness and light smoke,the dark fruit and sweetish alcohol comes late and into the finish.A mix of Belgian yeast and Scottish peat maltines,not overly sweet or herbal,pretty darn good.

Photo of alpinebryant
3.68/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a clear chestnut brown with a nice white / tan head.

Smell of butterscotch, belgian yeast, and lightly roasted malts.

Taste of light Butterscotch , some biscuit malt, light belgian yeast flavors and some nice sweet caramel. The scotch flavor is there but after having a wet willy, this one really comes off light. Comparably, that is not quite fair though as wet willy comes in nearly twice the abv. As it warms up, the scotch flavors come out more - as to be expected with a scotch ale, however I guess I wasn't patient with it at first and after resetting my taste buds with chocolate, the scotch ale flavor and belgian flavors are there however the scotch really takes over. When this beer was colder, the belgian flavors were more prominent and the scotch flavors more hidden.

This is a nice beer, but just hard to justify paying 11.99 a bottle for it. There is a slight herbal flavor from spices, but mostly a dry light biscuit flavor throughout that is well balanced and highly drinkable.

Light carbonation and a medium body.

Photo of nezelrac
3.2/5  rDev -15.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A - nearly opaque reddish brown with minimal head, slight lacing and little retention - I am a little inclined to blame the glass for this

S - smells of Ommegang but with a darker malt profile, there are hints of heather/herbs/hops, but doesn't seem too much like a scotch ale, nor anything truly Belgian

T - mid-weight, slightly smokey malts with a distinct Belgian edge and a hint of sourness at the back end, the hops and heather peek out here and there

M - fine carbonation keeps it light on the palate

D - quite drinkable, but not enough to entice me back

All in all, I think Ommegang missed the mark on this one. It isn't convincingly Scotch Ale, nor is it a good Belgian-style beer. Not bad, though. I'm glad to have tasted it but I won't buy it again.

Photo of beerthulhu
4.18/5  rDev +10%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

A: Dark chocolate in the glass appears dark merlot when viewed against back lighting of artificial source. The head is foamy and rigid with some porous pockets, light khaki in color and strong in retention. The lacing is dense, leaving a thick tribal band like design inside for a lacing.

S: Smokey peat and chocolate gives off a good sense of malt on the open. The usage of heather tips bring forty a sense of spruce and fern while pairing up with some tarragon to give this herbaceous scents with some background licorice notes. The finishing trail finds slight hints of scotch and a dry barrel woodiness with an overall delivery between light and moderate in strength.

T: Nice smoky peat presence upfront with a strong dry caramel backing finds some yeasty moments of dried banana chips and dried pears. Dried chocolate with a woodsy bitterness of heather tips is combined with some scotch caramel raisin and dried caramel on the fade. Eloquently smooth in character with a refined delivery that I would expect nothing less from this brewery.

M: Exceptionally light in both body and carbonation. Quiet feel and experience on the tongue with an oily texture.

D: What else can be said, it goes down exceptionally and eloquently smooth, much quicker then I would like since I only bought one.

Photo of claireoakhammer
4/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

not a huge belgian fan usually, but wanted to give them another shot and thought the scotch ale would mask the belgian flavors a bit. nope

a - very nice deep red color and good head

s - belgiany yeasty smell with some hoppy aroma

t - caramel and malty with huge belgian yeast flavors all the way through. quite an amount of smoked malt flavor at the end, more than I was expecting. (had a german rauchbier a little while ago, that kind of put me off of smoked malt) didn't really notice the heather, but like most people is seems, I didn't really know what exactly that should have tasted like

m - full body and good carbonation

d - interesting beer and definitely good for a try

Photo of billab914
3.95/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 750ml bottle into my Russian River tulip glass. It poured brown in color with a frothy off-white head to it. The head faded after a while but left some excellent lacing as I drank it.

The aroma shows some of the Belgian yeast to it along with a good dose of spice. I can't quite put my finger on the spice, but it's probably the Heather spice since I have no idea what that smells like. I pretty big malty, caramel flavor comes through as well to give it a little of the typical scotch ale flavors.

The taste is similar to the nose in that the Belgian yeast and spice really come through right off the bat. I get a little of the tart, apple or pear like flavors out of it as well. Again I can only assume the spice I'm getting is the Heather. The malty, caramel flavors are there but they are almost hidden behind the fruity and spicy flavors. I do get just a hint of the smoked malt in it, but probably wouldn't have found it if I didn't know to look.

The mouthfeel is medium bodied with carbonation being moderate. Drinkability is pretty good, it wasn't really that much like any other scotch ale I've had before but it was pretty good. The spice and fruit flavors went with the malty and caramel flavors pretty well. A pretty good beer overall.

Photo of Brent
4/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A Scottish ale? No, at least in my opinion. Tasty? Yes. Poured an appropriate root-beer brown with a very nice, tight head. Belgian character was unmistakable. The label notes the use of heather, but I did not get any botanical notes. The smoked malt was just barely in there. Overall, this really came across as a mild, dark Belgian beer with little in the way of Scottish ale attributes.

Photo of BeerImmediately
4.08/5  rDev +7.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours with a very healthy 4F of tan, effervescent head over a dense ruby/amber body. Tons of lacing.

Aromas of ginger bread, yeast, and plenty of what I'll describe as 'holiday' spices. Peat smoke comes thru as it warms.

Has a very "Belgian" quality on the palate - plenty of tingly carbonation. Spices (esp cinnamon) and caramel-like malts take center stage on the flavor, with the hops bringing an almost spearmint quality in the finish. Pretty tight MF in the finish.

Drinkability is really nice - nothing cloying, with a full complement of flavors, it pulls you back for more.

Photo of wschmit
4.03/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: Big three/four finger head into a pint glass...slowed my pour to let it settle a bit. Airy tan head pops quickly into a half-inch high pillow, with some large webbing. Tons of carbonation streaking up through a murky bronze body.

S: Very interesting. Clearly Belgian yeast by the nose, but the malty character and slight diacetyl presence reek of Scotch ales. Very little hop character. I don't get much heather, but then again, I don't know what it's supposed to smell like.

T: Taste is alright--less Belgian and more Scotch than the nose would indicate, I think. The Belgian yeast comes out most in the middle of the sip, which starts slightly buttery and ends with some smoke and bitter malt. Just a touch boozy. Toward the end there's a vaguely grassy flavor that I'll attribute to the heather, even though it reminds me a bit of Poperings Hommelbier. Overall, a tasty, unique hybrid-ish style. Goes to show you the power of yeast in a recipe.

M: Pretty spot-on body. Good carbonation assists the otherwise incongruous yeast and malt combo. A bit chewy, as befits its somewhat cloudy appearance.

D: Not bad. Some Scotch ales can be too boozy for drinking in anything like a large volume, but this is right in my wheelhouse. Another good beer from Ommegang. Certainly an interesting style, and worth drinking at least once--though I'm not sure if it would place into my regular rotation if these were more widely available.

Photo of lordofthewiens
3.63/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A Belgian style Scotch ale sounds like an oxymoron. I think this one is.
In a pint glass the beer was a red amber color with a golden tan head.
Aroma of spice, honey/caramel, and tobacco.
Caramel taste, nutmeg, alcohol, a bit of hops. Not overwhelming.
Fairly sharp mouthfeel.
Good enough beer, not one I'd want a lot of.

Photo of ryan1788a5
4.28/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

750ml bottle poured into a New Belgium globe.

A: Pours dark brown with a creamy, frothy, two finger off-white head. Retention is great and plenty of sticky lacing is left behind.

S: Slightly earthy Belgian yeast, subtle spices. Faint heather and alcohol. Fruity esters. Bready malt aroma and smells of toffee, smoke, and faint coffee. It basically smells like a good Belgian Strong Dark ale with some roasted and smoked malts worked in.

T: Earthy Belgian yeast and some brown bread. Subtle spices, but nothing specific that I can nail down. Fruity esters are very apparent and lend tastes of pears and green apples. Raisins come out as well. Esters give way to lots of malt flavor. Molasses, caramel, and some very woody/smokey burnt tastes in the finish. Only slightly dry.

M: Full, luscious, and creamy. Strong carbonation from the bottle conditioning.

D: Good. Tasty and full bodied, but easy to drink.

Notes: An interesting marriage of styles, but one that works well. I really enjoyed this beer. I take issue with it being entered as a Scottish ale though. It's really more like a Belgian Strong Dark Ale with some smoked and roasted malt subtleties.

Photo of radioscooter
3.03/5  rDev -20.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Seriously, WTF?

Wanted To Love Her

Another in my current Scotch Ale replacement journey. (Read my review of Scotty Karate for the whole story)

Short version - this ain't it. :) Dear Ommegang, stick to thinking that "Quad" means blending cherries with Dubbels.

Long version -

Poured from the 750ml cold into a goblet. They say on the bottle to pour slowly to not disturb the yeast sediment but vigorously enough to enjoy the luxiurious head and bouquet. Okay. First - this is something the fake American Belgian brewers never understand - some folks like the yeast sediment. 2nd - what luxurious head? I poured a few glasses at different 'vigorousness levels' and got a minimal froth that dissipates quickly. Round, wide bubbles.

This will be the third Ommegang I don't dig at all. A hat trick I'll be hard-pressed to look beyond. I don't know why the American Belgians (Ommegang, Celis et al) don't seem to be able to come remotely close to most good homebrews I've had that try to emulate or clone Belgian style brewing. Maybe that's the point. Maybe they're not even trying to do that. Maybe instead they're trying to apply that American Craft Beer style to a Belgian recipe? I don't know. I do know that this isn't really a Belgian style Ale. Unibroue is able to pull it off splendidly so it's not some Belgium-only mystery at work.

Anyway - nice bottle, great name, great label. Throw Robert Burns on there and bring us Scotsman wannabes to tears. Nice history lesson about the Scots in Belgium during WWI needing their Scotch Ale. (why does this seem more fable than truth, hmm?) It seemed like a dream come true to me. Scottish and Belgian and Irish descent, love my Belgians and my Scotch Ales. Marriage made in heaven, right? Sadly no.

They say on the bottle that they blend in Heather Tops and the spice level is good. Just not enough malt and toffee. I am finding it hard to get to the Scotch taste. More like you blended a thin Scotch Ale in with a Celis Grand Cru.

Maybe not a bad idea if you took a robust S.A. and blended it with a true Belgian (not that I am advocating this plan) but - they start with the typical American Phenol and Preservative taste and I can't get past that to the good stuff.

Over carbonated. Headachy for a 6.6. Bitter, mediciney finish.

All things considered - not lame, but not righteous enough to revisit.

Not a Begian Scotch Ale. More like a Scotch Ale Tinged American Belgian.

Photo of bs870621345
4.28/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Picked up this and chilled it down for a rainy night.

Pours a deep copper color with an inch of white head. Fades to a collar around the glass with lacing all over the glass.

Smells of malts, smoke, and light flowers.

Taste is of smoke and caramel with a herbal and flowery finish. Very enjoyable

Mouthfeel is moderate and not sticky. Nice amount of carbonation, not prickly but lets you know its there

Very good drinkability, the bottle goes down easily and very enjoyable.

Photo of ChainGangGuy
4.3/5  rDev +13.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

11 ounce goblet - $8.75 at Taco Mac in Kennesaw, Georgia.

Appearance: Dispensed a dark brown body, some darkened amber tones at the edges, and capped with a slim, off-white head.

Smell: Sweetish nose of toasted bread paired with caramel, dark brown sugar and cocoa, and mingled with a welcome whiff of clean smoke and notes of dark fruits and spice akin to nutmeg and cinnamon.

Taste: Toasted bread layered in caramelized sugars given an additionally sweet sprinkling of date sugar and Nesquik chocolate powder on top. Fruity mix of dates, Bing cherries, and green raisins. Quick flourishes of ground spices. Underlying smokey peat malt character takes a bit of warmth to come out. Lightly earthiness with a little bit of bitterness lurking inside. Dry maltiness and a bit more fruit on the smooth, warming finish.

Mouthfeel: Medium-plus body. Medium-light carbonation. Nearly sticky mouthfeel.

Drinkability: Quite nice. Personally, I never got much from the Belgian yeast underneath all the maltiness and smokey peat, not that that detracts from the pleasantness of the beer.

Ommegang Cup O Kyndnes (Cup Of Kindness) from Brewery Ommegang
86 out of 100 based on 239 ratings.