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Seeyoulator Doppelbock - Boulevard Brewing Co.

Seeyoulator DoppelbockSeeyoulator Doppelbock

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very good

194 Ratings

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Ratings: 194
Reviews: 153
rAvg: 3.93
pDev: 10.94%

Brewed by:
Boulevard Brewing Co. visit their website
Missouri, United States

Style | ABV
Doppelbock |  8.50% ABV

Availability: Fall

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Doppelbock was first brewed in Munich around 1700 by the monks of Saint Francis of Paula, to sustain them through the Lenten fast. They called their full-bodied brew “Salvator.” Today it is customary to pay homage to the good brothers by giving doppelbocks names ending in “-ator.” Our version bids a fond aufwiedersehen to tradition, charting a flight path into bold new territory. Medium amber in color, it offers a heady, estery banana aroma. Rich maltiness predominates, with cedar aging lending just a hint of spice to the finish.

35 IBU

(Beer added by: Bitterbill on 09-05-2009)
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Photo of Sammy

Ontario (Canada)

3.85/5  rDev -2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

It is spring, it is the time for bocks and dopplebocks. This,magoney with a big white bubbly head. A nice mouthfeel. But whereas goeth the cedar? Mostly malt,flavorful with some spice and fruit, and above average carbonation. Drinkable but it is sweet, with some chocolate malts.

Serving type: bottle

03-16-2010 01:57:06 | More by Sammy
Photo of BuckeyeNation


3.58/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Glazed terra cotta with a beautiful bronze-like glow when afternoon sunshine enters the glass. The gently rocky crown of foam is equal parts beige and pastel orange, which is a good color match for the beer beneath. Less than abundant lace is the only misstep.

The color and the nose suggest that SD isn't the darkest doppel in the world. Actually, there isn't much noted on the sniff. Maybe a hint of spicy cedar, though I could never have gotten there without the words 'aged on cedar' on the label. Warming helps.

Seeyoulator Doppelbock is not boldly flavored. That's always a danger when big beer of a malt-dominant style doesn't use the darker malts and doesn't have hops and Belgian yeast to fall back on. Warming helps a little, just not enough.

This Smokestack Series brew actually tastes more like an Oktoberfest than a doppelbock. It's also more bitter than either one of those styles, which isn't necessarily a negative as far as this hophead is concerned. The brewery says that 'banana esters' are present. Possibly, but they're extremely subtle... if they're present at all.

The flavor profile includes brown bread croutons, steely caramel, bitter tea leaves, cedar chips and a pepperiness that is trying hard to kick this sucker into the next highest gear. Even though the beer isn't boozy, it drinks like every bit of the 8.5% ABV.

The mouthfeel is the highlight. It's medium for the style, has a firm-silky smoothness and a lip sticky finish. Not to mention carbonation that is right in the sweet spot for either sipping or gulping. The former is recommended.

Boulevard states that they chose the name Seeyoulator Doppelbock because this offering says 'auf wiedersehen to tradition'. It might have been a better effort if the brewers had embraced tradition rather than spurning it. Although this is my least favorite Smokestack brew to date, it's far from a complete loss. Doppelbock fans will probably find enough to like to justify the purchase price.

Serving type: bottle

01-16-2010 21:44:54 | More by BuckeyeNation
Photo of womencantsail


3.68/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks for sending this one as an extra, Greg!

A: The beer pours a dark amber color with a tall off-white head.

S: Sweet toffee, caramel, miscellaneous dark fruits, and just some mild brown sugar give this one a fairly traditional doppelbock aroma. However, the cedar wood comes through shortly after, as does a bit of booze.

T: The wood seems to be even more pronounced on the palate and gives a weird spiciness. There is a nice caramel and toffee sweetness with some mild bread and fruit notes. A touch of booze and maybe even some vanilla.

M: Medium bodied with medium carbonation.

O: A little boozy and the cedar threw me off a bit.

Serving type: bottle

09-14-2011 04:10:17 | More by womencantsail
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North Carolina

3.6/5  rDev -8.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Batch Number 2010-1 Best before: 5/2011

Appearance: Pours a clear tawny color with a modest head; just fair in the lacing department, as well

Smell: Fruity caramel, with a dried cherry character; just a hint of cedar but if it weren't on the label I am not sure I would have picked it up

Taste: Starts out with a dry, caramel character that quickly adds the cherry fruit elements; by mid-palate, the cedar aspect arrives to add another dimension; after the swallow, the caramel malt flavors dominate along with a bit of booziness in the finish; in the aftertaste, the cedar aging finally moves to prominence

Mouthfeel: Medium body with low carbonation

Overall: Not quite there in the style, with a lack of both bold flavor and thicker mouthfeel; decent, but I can understand why this was retired

Thanks, arvjunk, for the opportunity

Serving type: bottle

05-23-2011 00:44:06 | More by brentk56
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3.88/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Seeyoulator is a very drinkable beer for its sweetness and alcohol but favors the caramel sweetness over the classic dry-malty taste and texture of the Salvators and Optimators.

Boulevards stab at the style starts with a deep copper, mohogany color which carries a mild haze. A billowing off white head climbs up the glass and holds on for dear life to deliver a fantastic head retention and lacing. A handsome look despite the haze.

Understated aromas of caramels and fresh bread dough give the first impressions and then releasing fruity cherries, dried berries, and dates as the beer warms. Very sweet with the caramel notes and not as complex as I would have hoped.

Flavors pick up on the simplistic caramel taste which chases the beer from start to finish. Other flavors of cherries, apples, grapes, dates, and figs seem to be both ester and grain related. The light bread/doughy flavors are there but cannot struggle for significance because of the ordinant amount of caramel flavor. Alcohol flavor replaces hop flavor for balance and complexity but still seems hot as the beer moves into the second pour from the 750ml. bottle. The beer has little else to offer- light on the herbal German hops and timid on the comcplex malt components that make Dopplebocks special.

Sweetly malty and weighted up front, the beer begins to fade into a much more drinkable and fleeting sweetness. But the beer halts at mid-palate and finishes quite sweet anyway. Along with the sugarly finish the beer pushes a bit with aggressive alcohols that seem fusal at times- a young beer can do this. Still, there's a cooling/minty finish to the beer that gives a dry impression- quite intriguing.

Though this is a solid beer, it lacks the complexities of a long boil or complex mash that classic Dopplebocks exhibit. The lagering also seems misplaced with too much ester quality and hot-ness. As far as the recipe goes, I'd like to see more bread crust or light toast flavor injected here- the doughy light bread character isn't doing enough. Despite the criticism, there's a lot of promise to the beer as long as you like them sweeter and more alcoholic.

Thanks again BlueOkie!

Serving type: bottle

05-24-2010 02:30:59 | More by BEERchitect
Photo of Thorpe429


3.03/5  rDev -22.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Thanks to my father-in-law for picking this up. Served in a tulip.

Pours a medium brown for with a slight off who're head and some very light lacing. Those nose brings a touch of caramel plus some breadm. Very light fruits plus a bit of alcohol in tue background. The flavor is similar with some caramel and bready malt. There is a bit of alcohol but not much else. Mouthfel has a hot of body with low carbonation. Okay, though I would not seek this out again.

Serving type: bottle

02-27-2011 01:51:35 | More by Thorpe429
Photo of feloniousmonk


3.93/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Lightly hazed, amber/copper hue. slim head.

Sweetness and spice in the aroma, bready, malty, some fruit unfolds. Banana esters, yes, but also apple, plum.

Taste: sweet, then, dry, and a hint of spice. Smooth, supple, medium-bodied...not as full as I'd like, but so tasty I'll forgive it. Rich, malty flavor. Very clean, cool, and elegant doppelbock.

Serving type: bottle

02-08-2010 01:18:11 | More by feloniousmonk
Photo of russpowell


3.98/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Picked this up at Mid-town in Tulsa, I sure hope this lives up to my hopes. Batch 1-2009

Pours caramel/chestnut with 2+ fingers of sand colored head. Some head retention & lacing

S: Slight fruittyness & breadyness, becomes stronger along with cherries & woodyness

T: Bready, a bit boozey with dark cherries & plums up front, plus a touch of woody dryness ( I believe this is what the cedar imparts). Fruittyness, a touch of herbal hops & plus more dryness & some grassy hops as well...Finishes dry, fruitty & grainy

MF: Thick with moderate carbonation

Drinks pretty easy, more of a Maibock than a dopple IMO, but worthy of your consideration. I shall grab another bottle at some point & see how this ages... Not a bad effort, but wanted more...

Serving type: bottle

11-23-2009 03:05:03 | More by russpowell
Photo of drabmuh


3.9/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Beer is orange and has a medium haze to it. Carbonation is moderate and it forms a head that is diffuse and fails to leave any lacing on the glass.

The aroma is sweet and mildly hoppy, wasn't expecting that. Smells pretty good.

Beer has a medium to light body, pretty hoppy, lots of carbonation in the mouth, nice bitter and clean finish. The more I drink it the more bitter it gets. It becomes a little off putting and I think it could have gotten away with a lot less bitterness.

Serving type: bottle

06-23-2010 20:06:46 | More by drabmuh
Photo of Mora2000


4.22/5  rDev +7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

One of my favorite Smokestack beers.

The beer pours a medium brown color with a tan head. The aroma is great. I get a mix of toffee and caramel along with some hints of cedar and bananas. A little bit of raisins and other dark fruit also comes through in the aroma.

The cedar is more present in the flavor than it is in the aroma. A nice, dry cedar characteristic melds very well with the dark fruit and toffee. There is also a little bit of alcohol present in the flavor, as well as a little bit of grass.

Medium mouthfeel and medium carbonation. A very nice spin on the doppelbock style.

Serving type: bottle

05-07-2011 22:35:15 | More by Mora2000
Photo of zeff80


3.93/5  rDev 0%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Poured out a clear, bubbly, burgundy color with a huge, tan, bubbly head of thick foam. It left nice rings of lace behind.

S - It smelled fairly floral with sweet caramel malt notes. Not much else.

T - It tasted very malt with a slight smokiness. Sweet caramel with just a touch of bitter hop bite to balance things out.

M - It was crisp, sharp and smooth. A medium bodied brew with a touch of alcohol heat.

D - This is a pretty nice dopplebock. I like the subtle smokey quality. Another good Smokestack from Boulevard.

Serving type: bottle

11-05-2009 03:36:40 | More by zeff80
Photo of barleywinefiend


3.03/5  rDev -22.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Poured a amberish color with good carbonation and a light amberish head. Nose is faint. Spices, wheat,sugar and booze. Taste was sugar, dark fruit, wheat and clove and some cedar. I struggled to find those flavors. I felt this doppel was a mess. Mouthfeel had a CO2 feel and was just not that great and cedar on the end. Drinkability. Average Doppel at a bigger price. Pass.

Serving type: bottle

04-27-2010 13:24:24 | More by barleywinefiend
Photo of Jason


4.58/5  rDev +16.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

750ml brown bottle with a freshness code on the label.

Sudsy patchy off white lace, tawny and clear. Spicy cedar lightly blankets the malt nose, bready and spicy. Massive crispness give a deep smoothness to the thick medium bodied brew. Full malt jacket covers the palate with a beautiful cedar tamed overtone. Mild hopping works out great, cedar takes care of the rest. Toasted bread, hint of grape-skin and a clean measure of dried grass shows a glimpse of a big complexity that shows more layers at the beer warms up a bit. Semi-dry with a spicy finish.

Fall in love at first sip and it gets better after that ... a dreamy beer. Seriously, this is an epic extreme beer. While this started off as a Doppelbock it is hard to really judge it as one solely once it touched the cedar.

Serving type: bottle

05-05-2010 01:21:28 | More by Jason
Photo of Wasatch


3.95/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Thanks goes out to pokesbeerdude for this brew.

750ml Bottle
Batch: 2-2009 8/10

Poured into a Celebrator chalice a nice cloudy amber color, nice carbonation, nice one-finger creamy off-white head, with some nice sticky lacing left behind. The nose is malty, slight yeast note, caramel, and slightly spiced. The taste is sweet, malty, a little yeast note, with some spices. Medium body, the ABV is hidden very well. Drinkable, a nice brew. Glad to have had a chance to try it.

Serving type: bottle

12-11-2009 01:41:57 | More by Wasatch
Photo of Bighuge


3.15/5  rDev -19.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 3

Muddied auburn body. Thick and airy light beige head. Retention is quite good and lace is sufficient. Malt and cedar blend together on the nose to present a pleasant olfactory experience. The mouthfeel is too airy and a bit gaseous. Not what I'm looking for in a dopple. Flavor is average. Cedar and malt and molasses and alcohol combine somewhat awkwardly, but not horribly. This is really average and the worst of the Smokestacks that I've had.

Serving type: bottle

12-24-2009 05:02:28 | More by Bighuge
Photo of glid02


4.35/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Brodie - thanks!

Pours a clear amber-brown color with a 1.5-finger cream-colored head. The head slowly recedes into a thin layer on top leaving thick lacing.

Smells of smooth and crisp caramel malts with hints of nuttiness. Also present are mild amounts of cedar aromas that fade in and out.

Tastes similar to how it smells. Smooth caramel malt flavors with very light amounts of nuttiness and toastiness kick things off. The sweetness is quickly tempered by mild amounts of earthy hops and hints of cedar. The cedar and malt flavors fade out into a crisp and moderately bitter ending.

Mouthfeel is good. It's got a nice thickness with smooth carbonation.

Drinkability is very good. I finished my glass quickly and could easily have another.

Overall I was surprised to see how the cedar positively impacted this beer and was also impressed with how well-nuanced the addition was. A very good doppelbock taken to another level, well worth a shot.

Serving type: bottle

08-08-2010 05:03:16 | More by glid02
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3.7/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I found this 750 at the COOP today... BadAss!! Boulevard is in Boise. Sharing with Brenda.. mine poured into my Delirium goblet.

2 finger lite tan head.. the brew is clear glowing deep amber.. descent lacing..

Nose is spicy ... some lite caramel.. cedar (wow) .. really is pretty present.

The wood begins at the front and doesn't really let up.. lite caramel and not much else.. the wood lends a pretty tannic element.. drying.. blows out most if not all dopplebock characteristics... still the body is pretty thick and the carbonation is about perfect..

I don't know what to think about this one.. the dopplebock characteristics are very flimsy... the wood is too much..

Overall.. this is good... but.. it just seems too divided.

Serving type: bottle

10-31-2009 04:04:03 | More by JohnGalt1
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United Kingdom (Wales)

3.15/5  rDev -19.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a beige head. Color is a copper brown.

Aroma: Toffee, caramel, biscuits, dried cherries, and raisins. This one is pretty much all malts.

Taste: Huge malt profile again. Tons of toffee and biscuit with some caramel. Bready. Dried cherries and fruits. Not a lot here to be honest.

Mouthfeel: Creamy and smooth. Medium bodied with a medium amount of carbonation. Ends dry with hints of booze.

Overall, an alright beer, but the Germans do a better take on the style. All malts here. Average drinkability.

Serving type: bottle

11-27-2010 23:30:55 | More by mothman
Photo of Derek

British Columbia (Canada)

3.98/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Caramel/amber with a light tan head, thin ring of retention, very little lace.

S: Bready, brown sugar, dark fruit, light spicing.

T: Toffee, bread, raisin, dates, light floral & grassy spice, warming alcohol, balanced bitterness.

M: Moderate body, slightly higher than moderate carbonation, slight residual sweetness.

D: Good.

Serving type: bottle

04-02-2010 15:15:52 | More by Derek
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3.98/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

750ml bottle (batch # 2-2009) poured into an Aventinus glass, Seeyoulator is chill hazed auburn with a big, auburn tinged off-white head that leaves scattered lace.

Smell is sweet, cigar box for sure, but not overblown cedar like the cigar city humidor series - thankfully!

Taste is good, a light bodied doppelbock for sure, very fruity, what I 'd guess were esters were it not for the fact this was a lager. I love Belgians, and am digging how similar this is, but if I was in the mood for a big and smooth malt bomb doppel, this would fail.

Mouthfeel is a bit syrupy, but medium bodied and smooth.

Drinkability is pretty good. This washed down some brauts well, and overall was easy to drink. I dug it, but it's not what I expecting.

Serving type: bottle

01-21-2010 02:00:35 | More by ccrida
Photo of Tone


3.9/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a clear, amber color. One and one half inch head of an off-white color. Great retention and great lacing. Smells of sweet malt, hops, alcohol, and slight caramel. Fits the style of a Doppelbock. Mouth feel is smooth and slightly thick with an average carbonation level. Tastes of sweet malt, alcohol, hops, and very slight citrus. Overall, a good dop., but not great.

Serving type: bottle

11-16-2009 23:14:59 | More by Tone
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3.8/5  rDev -3.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Deep firey chestnut with a soft haze to its body. Nice frothy and fairly tall capping of dark ivory foam that sits firm and tightly bumpy before fading slowly to a heavy skim. A few sporatic spots of lace catch the glass and stay there.

Aroma is clean yet a bit muted and low of dried caramel, sweet malty fruityness underneath of yellow raisin and some fig. Soft cedar wood with a slight herbal, even softer, spice of graham cracker, apple cinnamon, cocoa, and vanilla.

Taste is slightly more softer then the aroma. But not by much; a little too much softness however, to really help induce any complexity within the flavor profile. Too bad really...It has a dryish caramel sweetness with a dark fruity breadyness underneath thats quite nice, but it gathers a bit too much warming momentum as you get into it to pull away from the malt flavors and complexity. Yet, nothing muddled here; soft and touching with a small puree of light herbal woody and bakery bready dryness as it floats thru its caramel and lightly mushy malt fruityness. Warming parts peek and part their way across the palate depending on the size of the gulp taken. But it seems a bit heavy on the warming for 8.5% and short in overall flavor intensity.

Body seems short at first, but hold on for a bit as it will build with grace and boldness as it warms. Both as it sits in the glass and the belly. Crisp, yet tender with a slender sweet malt backing to balance it out as it creates some finer tones in dryness as it cinders softly into the finish whilst it turns the warming volume up a notch late in the end.

This is a pretty solid brew by Boulevard, but for me it misses the Doppelbock mark in taste by just a bit for me as it has far more dryness, which I didn't mind really all that much. More malty complexity and chewy slickness and this would've won me over with ease. This was borderline Belgian Dark-like for me then German Doppelbock. Perhaps a cross bred brew of the two? Well, whatever it is, its quite good and will do just fine for the colder weather months to have around to warm ya up.

Serving type: bottle

12-16-2009 00:47:08 | More by tavernjef
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3.5/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

I bought this online from The Wine & Cheese Place. 750ml bottle, batch 1-2009 7/10

A big pop when I removed the cork, it pours a lightly hazed cherry cough drop red colour with a huge head of foam.(served near room temp) Slowly receding head with lots of nice lacing.

The smell is fruity with a pretty large presence of bananas, malty with some caramel and light notes of bread, and lightly spicy. A decently good nose.

The taste starts off sweet from caramel and some what bready, no actually, quite bready followed by a light toasted malt flavour, definite woody tones that grow stronger during the session and quite a bit of alcohol. It actually burns on the way down. It feels stronger given the abv and I had no idea it would be so when my nose spent time taking whiffs. A pretty good tasting Doppelbock that doesn't get to really shine because of the alcohol. JMHO.

Medium bodied with a lot of fizz on the tongue, it finishes on the bitter side. That might be from the cedar aging. ?
Head retention turned out to be poor after about 10 minutes into the session and the lacing also gave up.

Drinkability? A very slow drinker as per my comments above. Their Smokestack Series has been excellent, at least the ones I've tried, but this one might be outside my comfort zone, at least for the style. Try it see what you think.

Edit: Sample of batch 1 2010. 750ml. Nov 23, 2010.

Same colour but a bit more assertive re foam and lacing, smells fruity and bready. Not much difference between this and the batch from 2009.

It has some fruity notes of dark cherries, some bananas and cloves, some caramel malt sweetness, fairly large kick of alcohol. Pretty similar here as well to the 2009. Tasty, warming, maybe a tad more enjoyable this time around. Heck, for under US$10 a bottle, it's worth a try and maybe a repeat.
Score adjusted accordingly.

Serving type: bottle

09-10-2009 23:35:25 | More by Bitterbill
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2.95/5  rDev -24.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

A-Orange/brown....nice creamy head..

S-A bit yeasty...some cedar notes...some dark fruits (plums, black cherries)..

T-Tastes more like a dark Belgian ale than a German doppelbock....really tastes nothing like a German Doppelbock..that's not to say it tastes bad....It has a nice dark Belgian dark fruitiness with the black cherries and plums....mild cedar woodiness....tastes ok just nothing like a doppel...I expected this to be much different.

M-Too carbonated for the style...carbonated like a Belgian style ale..fizzy....medium bodied...nothing sweet or sticky about this....

D-I'll never buy this again because it doesn't resemble a doppelbock in the slightest..for the style it is way off...as a beer it is OK but nothing more...not recommended..

Serving type: bottle

01-03-2010 03:04:42 | More by ZAP
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4.58/5  rDev +16.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

n8dietz totally earned his '09 DL for this haul.

Aged on cedar.

The color is a somewhat transluscent copper and medium ruby mix. A thick tan head holds at two fingers for about five minutes, then disappears. Very visible carbonation.

A fruity caramel malt bread hits the nose at first. Then a woody cherry and plum vie for position. This is a great smelling doppelbock.

The taste starts dry and heavily toasted malt sweet. Caramel and fresh bread crusts come to mind. Sweet black cherries and other dark skinned fruits play around with some very faint earthy, but undeniably woody flavors. This is a unique tasting doppelbock. PLus a syrupy carbonated texture with just a slight warm finish complete this beers profile.

Maybe aging with cedar will start to catch on. I certainly hope so.

Serving type: bottle

07-02-2010 06:13:31 | More by scruffwhor
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Seeyoulator Doppelbock from Boulevard Brewing Co.
88 out of 100 based on 194 ratings.