Jopen / The Monarchy Vereinigte Historische Bierfanatiker Grodziskie - Jopen Bier BV Haarlem

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21 Ratings
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Ratings: 21
Reviews: 10
rAvg: 3.83
pDev: 13.05%
Wants: 3
Gots: 1 | FT: 0
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Netherlands

Style | ABV
Smoked Beer |  4.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: Jwale73 on 05-22-2013

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Five beer enthusiasts with a common passion for historic brewing came together to create this distinct Polish beer style in the most authentic way we can think of after the brewery in Grodzisk Wielkopolski closed in 1993. It is brewed by Jopen and Monarchy of Musselland together with the beer writers Ron Pattinson and Evan Rail. We use 100% oak-smoked wheat malt, have the exact same gravity of 7.7 degrees Plato, employed classic Lublin hops and fermented with the original yeast. As the town once and again today belongs to Poland, but in the meantime was part of Prussia, there are two different names for the style: Grodziskie and Grätzer. Our research found that brewers also formerly used willow bark in brewing which we thought was an interesting variation. That is why we are offering two different takes on the style: a classic version bearing the name "Grätzer"and a willow bark version called "Grodziskie".
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Ratings: 21 | Reviews: 10
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Photo of NeroFiddled
3.99/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Jopen "Grodziskie"
12 oz. brown glass bottle, no freshness date (imported by Sheldon Brothers Inc.)

Appearance: Very cloudy faded-brass body with yellow golden appearing along the sides of the glass where more light can get through (it's brewed from 100% oak-smoked wheat). A thick head of frothy white foam drops steadily but maintains a full surface covering. Thick lacing is left behind in wide rings that almost form solid walls. As a historic beer the cloudiness has to be forgiven.

Aroma: Smoky, but not overtly so. Some phenols are present along with the typical "bacon". It's reminiscent of a Schlenkerla beer, but not nearly as bright. Where those beers are smoky like standing next to a fire, this is like walking into the remains of a house that burned down a year ago. There's also some maltiness, and a touch of wood.

Flavor: Smoky, obviously, but also with a bit of a tart edge. It's not as rich as I'd thought it would be. There's a bit of a wheaty maltiness to it, but also some woodiness. I can't discern if any herbal hops are coming through, or if that's the willow bark that was used. Moderate bitterness. It finishes dry and spicy with some residual herbal and woody notes.

Mouthfeel: Light-medium in body (but with a little bit more feel from yeast and proteins), and smooth across the palate with a moderate carbonation level.

Overall: Certainly an interesting beer given the history behind it, the use of wheat rather than barley, the oak-smokiness, and the willow bark. Enjoyable, and quite drinkable. Certainly worth trying, especially for fans of wheat beers, smoked beers, or historic beers.

Photo of metter98
3.71/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

A: The beer is hazy yellow in color. It poured with a short white head that died down and consistently left a thin head that mostly covered the surface and consistently remained.
S: Moderate aromas of smoked wheat are present in the nose.
T: Similar to the smell, the taste is quite smoky, resembling what you would expect from a rauchbier (but without the malty body).
M: It feels light- to medium-bodied on the palate and has a moderate amount of carbonation.
O: The wheat base for this beer makes it easier to drink and a good smoked beer for the summer.

Photo of drtth
3.33/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Normally I would not have bought this beer since the bottle is undated and it is listed here as having been brewed once, with the first review being in 2013. However, it came from a beer store where I'm confident it was kept refrigerated so I decided to gamble that it had not lost all of its character to time and oxidation.

The beer pours out into a Duvel glass a lightly hazed apricot color with a 1/2" foamy white head that recedes to a ring and thin layer of irregular foam. Early on, sipping leaves large sheets of foam that rapidly slide back down to the liquid leaving behind a few irregular patches and legs of lacing. Toward the end the foam is mostly gone and there's little to no lacing.

The aroma contains some smoke but it is not at all that strong and definitely would seem to be comimg from the oat smoked wheat malt.

The flavors are a bit more definite and clearer, and include some light smoky character, a touch of sweetness from the malt, a hint of almost citric tartness (orange zest?) and an earthy, herbal bitterness.

The mouthfeel is on the light side of medium bodied but the carbonation is very faint and quickly disappears. The finish is medium length with the smoke disappearing first before an earthy, herbal bitterness emerges to lead on to dryness.

Overall this was an interesting beer to try and was not a waste of money in that it is still possible to imagine what it might have been like with only a month or two of bottle age. That said, I'll not buy another but am intrigued enough by the Grodziskie to be willing to buy a different version that is still fresh. It would also have been interesting to try both this version and the Gratzer two years ago when they were both fresh.

Photo of artoolemomo
3.56/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance- Pours up an okay amount of head which has decent retention. The head is a weak but pure, cotton-white while the body is a dull and hazy, pale to medium amber which appears as a hazy, pale amber in the light. Some lacing with small patches of sheeting.

Nose- Starts off with a noticeable smokiness that recalls barbecue and hints of tomato/tomato sauce. Fades rather quickly and leaves a more subtle smoke with woody notes. Not as in your face as the rauchbiers I've had but still enjoyable. After a little time, some brown bread and even slight raisins show.

Taste- Lots of the fruitiness I detected on the nose shows up in the flavor profile. Slight tomatoes, a good amount of raisins that mixes with brown bread. Fairly smooth, nothing cloying. Maybe a touch of caramel in the middle. Slight smokiness, a bit of ash on the finish. Pretty smooth and probably more accessible than a rauchbier (though I do love their decadent smokiness). Some spice that hints at pepper, maybe a little cinnamon. A little bit of citrus on the front- mostly orange. Seems to lack some of the presence you would expect from a smoked beer but is an above average to good beer. Recalls many styles, from a scotch ale to a quad even. Does flatten out a bit as it opens up. Tinges of honey around the edges- even tastes of candy after a while. Definitely could use more smoke. More ash than smoke on the linger.

Mouthfeel- Between light and medium bodied with light carbonation. Slight zing that matches well with the smoky notes.

Drinkability- Pretty easygoing and I imagine this could be a gateway into smokier beers. At 5.49 a pop, it is pricey. I will not be buying it again.

Overall- Above average to good beer but probably just above average. I appreciate the opportunity to try this very rare style but I'm sure there's room for improvement. Worth a try but won't be a repurchase.

Photo of UCLABrewN84
3.5/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a hazy orange-brown with a foamy beige head that settles to a partial film on top of the beer. Small dots of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of smoked wheat, earth, tree bark, yeast, and slight funk aromas. Taste is much the same with smoke, wheat, and earth flavors on the finish. There is a mild amount of earth bitterness on the palate with each sip. This beer has a lower level of carbonation with a slightly crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty good beer that is quite unique and I am glad to be able to try a beer of this style brewed with historical accuracy.

Photo of Jwale73
2.95/5  rDev -23%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 2.5

33cl bottle. Style is described as a Grodziskie (sour wheat beer with smoked malts - in this case willow smoked. Pours a dull, orange-gold (slightly lighter than the oak-smoked variant) with a loose, 1/8th inch bright white head that coalesces around the edges while leaving a soapy slick across the surface. Nose is smokey and citrusy with some barley and toasted malts at the back, as well as old cigarettes. Taste consistent with nose; some earthy hops bittering co-mingled with smoke at the back. There are also some tea-like qualities to this beer. A bit more watery and acidic than the oak-smoked variant. Mouthfeel is light and lively, with a bright, prickly carbonation and a hint of acidity that stimulates the salivary glands. Overall, I'm not really sure how to rate this style. I can't say I care for it, but I have no other style reference for comparison. That said, this beer tastes pretty much the same as the oak-smoked version; however, I got more of an ashtray quality with this variant.

Photo of DeanMoriarty
4.19/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Picked up a 12oz bottle at Olive Tree Market in Ocean Beach for $3.99. Poured into a Modern Times oversized tulip glass.

Pours an unfiltered apricot hue - zero clarity, solid head, decent retention with lacing coating my glass. Aroma is mellow overall - some funk and bacon, a hint of sweet malt (i'm sure it's much more pronounced when drank fresh) - still enjoyable. The flavor follows the aroma, but much more pronounced - this beer needs a solid malt back to carry the smokiness and funky yeast - the flavor delivers - perfect balance of smoked wheat malt, that is both tart and sweet, along with the interesting old school yeast strain.

Phenomenal smoked beer that would pair well with fatty meats, creamy mac & cheese, black truffle or apple pie.

Photo of gory4d
3.76/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 3.75

Pours a cloudy yellow with a high white head. The smell is leather and barbecue, some crisp mineral notes. Taste is ashy, quite bitter, a hint of grapefruit to it, some woody notes. Highly carbonated, clean on the palate. A very interesting beer, but I wouldn't want to finish the growler alone in one evening.

Photo of StonedTrippin
3.32/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

i am happy that this style exists, and is in the united states, basically the gratzer with willow bark added. i think i like the original better, but this is one unique brew, with lots of dense wheat malt and a smoke profile that rivals some of the german rauchbiers. hazy and heady, good looks, understated yet appetizing. the nose is not my friend though, it smells like prepackaged hotdog buns loaded with preservatives. wet and bready, more of a chemical reaction that a bakery process, but its almost in a good way in retrospect. totally different from other beers, thats for sure, but the hotdog smell is strong, and with the smoke it almost feels like a fourth of july barbecue that got rained on before food was served. i do like the taste a little better, but that off flavor is still there, must be the willow bark, because i got none of that from the gratzer, and as an ingredient in beer, im not real familiar with it. the smoke is still nice though, strong, and playing well off the wheat malt. the carbonation and fuller richer body are attractive assets, but i cant get past the hotdog bun honestly, wish i never thought of that, but it sort of killed this beer for me, even though i respect it as much as any out there just for being itself, i dont need to drink it again anytime soon.

Photo of shleepy
3.86/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Murky light amber. Small head. Smells and tastes smoky, like a mild rauchbier, but with a slightly fruity (citrusy?) twist. Has a pleasant acidity and light body, making it quite drinkable.

Jopen / The Monarchy Vereinigte Historische Bierfanatiker Grodziskie from Jopen Bier BV Haarlem
85 out of 100 based on 21 ratings.