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Ramstein Classic - High Point Brewing Company

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BA SCORE
85
very good

94 Ratings
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Ratings: 94
Reviews: 80
rAvg: 3.77
pDev: 14.32%
Wants: 7
Gots: 1 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
High Point Brewing Company visit their website
New Jersey, United States

Style | ABV
Dunkelweizen |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 01-28-2002)
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3/5  rDev -20.4%

djrn2, Jan 09, 2012
Photo of acurtis
3.25/5  rDev -13.8%

acurtis, Jul 13, 2013
Photo of BuckeyeNation
3.53/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Dusky reddish bronze with orange peel edges. The white toast brown head is impressively tight-bubbled and displays a great deal of longevity as a result. When it finally relents, a more than respectable amount of thick, smeary lace is seen on the glass. Classic is one of the darker dunkels that I've seen and is a fine looking beer.

The nose isn't as fine. It's toasted brown malty with a minor contribution from earthy hops. Is the style correct? I notice that style isn't mentioned on the label or on the High Point website; although 'dark wheat beer' becomes dunkel weizen when translated to German, so I guess I just answered my own question. Where are the banana esters and the clove spice? I don't have an answer for that one.

A little better on the palate, although not enough to earn a higher score. At least there's some degree of spiciness now, which could just as easily be coming from the Tettnanger hops as the wimpy yeast strain. Heavily toasted grain (wheat and barley presumably) comprises the vast majority of the flavor profile, with a little cocoa and bruised apple fruitiness thrown in for good measure.

I'm disappointed at the lack of depth, the lack of complexity. A superb yeast strain is vital in the brewing of a superb hefe or dunkel weizen and High Point's yeast just isn't up to the task. The finish is simply an extension of what came before with a little extra bitterness tacked on as an afterthought.

The body/mouthfeel is appropriately light, but misses the boat in terms of volume (also known as mouthfilllingness) due to a shortage of carbonation. Even though I'm not usually big on bubbles, some styles and some beers--like this one--need the perkiness that they provide.

I expected a little more than I got from this bottle of Ramstein Classic. Any brewery that specializes in weizens ought to nail a dunkel with their eyes closed. High Point needs to keep them both wide open though because they damn near missed the target entirely. This is still worthwhile beer, but the brewery's claim that it's 'the highest rated dark wheat beer in the world' borders on delusional.

BuckeyeNation, Sep 10, 2006
Photo of NeroFiddled
4.47/5  rDev +18.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Imagine my surprise as I poured this classic wheat beer into my glass and found it to be a clear mahogany with crimson highlights!!!! I thought for sure the bottle had been mislabeled. I checked the label and saw no mention of it's being "dark" or a "dunkel". Fortunately I was able to log on here to BA and check it out... ...yep, this is a dunkel weizen! And good for me, I love the style!

The creamy off-white head is surprisingly challenged for a weizen (even a filtered dunkel), and it drops readily to a thin collar. The nose, however, is quite enticing with an alluring note of toasty and lightly roasted chocolate. It's medium-light bodied and quite smooth across the palate; which is more appropriate for a dunkel weizen than a traditional Bavarian hefe--weizen hell. The flavor is rich and rewarding without being overly-done; lending to its drinkability. It's got a light touch of yeasty bubblegum, some appleish fruit, mellow caramel, a bit of nuttiness, and some more of the toasty and slightly roasty chocolate found in the nose. Spicy hops accent it, and a firm bitterness balances it superbly. It finishes dry with some residual phenolic "bubblegum" that fades to a dull, lingering, almost coffee-like roastiness. It's somewhat complex, and certainly satiating, but at the same time far from overdone and immensely drinkable! This is very similar to some of the dunkel weizens that I've had from the Franconia region. Superb!

NeroFiddled, Jul 22, 2005
Photo of WesWes
3.65/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The beer pours a hazy brown color with a lacey white head. The aroma is faint, but there is a smell of wheat malts and fruity yeast. The taste is decent. It has a dark wheat flavor with a bit of malty character. The mouthfeel is good. It is a medium bodied beer with adequate carbonation . This beer drinks well, but is lacking in the aroma and taste departments. This is still better than most wheat beers, but not as good as their other offerings.

WesWes, Jan 01, 2004
Photo of jwc215
3.53/5  rDev -6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours dark brown with a decent-sized off-white head.

The smell is of mild, earthy grain and a hint of sweet malt. Not bad - not expected for style.

The taste is of an earthy, roasted wheat grain upfront. A sweet malt (mild chocolate?) comes through as support and balance. The flavors aren't bad, but on the weaker side, especially the yeast.

It thins just a tad. It's fairly crisp and smooth. The flavors could have held on a bit longer.

Not bad, but could use more yeast to give it more body. It also could use more depth and character and fit the style better. Worth trying anyway. They should also write ""dunkel" or "dark" on the label, for clarification, IMO.

jwc215, Sep 17, 2006
Photo of Gavage
3.95/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Everything about this beer is good except for the appearance. It poured a brown color with a very spotty head. Did not look very appetizing. The aroma is full of wheat and some grass. The taste is nice as malt, wheat, caramel, and tea flavors are well balanced.

The mouthfeel was smooth, and the carbonation was very light. The wheat and caramel flavor lasted well into the aftertaste. The bottle was 1/2 month past the "best by" date on the bottle, but it was still very tasty even though it looked bland.

Gavage, Jan 24, 2004
Photo of weeare138
3.48/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to the wife, K.I. for grabbing this at The Drafting Room-Exton for me...
Appears a hazy red toned brown with a thick white head that fades into a collar. Scattered lacing is left all over the glass.
Smell is of light dusty cocoa, clove, and some wheat with light caramel in there.
Taste is of te same aromas.
Mouthfeel is watery, thin, cocoa powder and cloves and sticking to the front of the tongue until finally dying out.

weeare138, Apr 27, 2006
Photo of tempest
3.75/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a pretty cool, old-school wheat beer and not your average dunkel. It's very aromatic and has any earthy feel that backed my spiced cocoa and roasted grains, almost like a brown ale or porter. The mouthfeel is a nice, mellow balance of sweet malts, which makes for a very drinkable beer that's also out of the norm. The only similar beer I can think of is the Michigan Brewing Bavarian Dark for the same dark earthy tone.

tempest, Jan 13, 2008
Photo of Billolick
4.1/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Sampled a pint at Barcade in Brooklyn NY, Great style, great brewery, well worth some beer research, this one does not disapoint. Pours cloudy, reddish amber, nose of the expected wheat, some chocolate and yeast. Tan head arising. Notes of dark grains, dark coffee and more light chocolate, tasty and fine offering.

Billolick, May 15, 2005
Photo of Wasatch
3.5/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to NeroFiddled for this brew.

Pours a nice clean/clear dark brown color, nice carbonation, tiny fizzy head which does not last long, not sticky lacing at all. The nose is malty, yeasty, some bananna, clove, and caramel. The taste is malty, slighty yeasty, touch of bananna/clove, lots of caramel. Medium body. Drinkable, a nice brew for a hot day.

Wasatch, May 09, 2007
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3.95/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle obtained via trade with Shippos. Thanks for the opportunity...

Poured in an imperial pint glass, forms a 1/4" beige head, which laces okay. A translucent deeply reddish brown hued brew, with a pleasant dark wheat aroma. Taste is wheaty, with nutty, roasted undertones. Mouthfeel seems a bit thin, but this enhances the drinkability in my book. A good introduction for me to Ramstein.

ppoitras, Sep 03, 2004
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4/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a medium cloudy brown hue with a two finger foamy white head. There was good retention and lacing.

The smell featured a nice toasted grain and a good yeasty aroma.

The taste was nicely balanced with a solid toasted malt and a good spicy yeast.

The mouthfeel was a bit chewy, yet crisp.

Overall a nice American rendition of the dunkel weizen.

plaid75, Oct 24, 2006
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3.98/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a very dark burgundy-cola color with a tan head. Nice dunkel wheat. Very dark color. Sweet raisins, syrup, and dried fruit on nose. Some alcohol on nose as well. Flavor is very rich and full of fresh plums, sweet raisins, and bread. Drinks more like a strong Belgian or wheat bock. Starts out very sweet from the syrupy sweet raisin and dried fruit hints and finishes with some dry burgundy notes. Theres a slight woody character to the wine like palate as well. Good drinkability, very smooth palate, with some alcohol detection. A solid good beer.

beerthulhu, Jan 18, 2008
Photo of DrJay
3.48/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Deep chestnut colour topped by a short, light brown head. Fizzy bubbles that dissipate quickly and leave a bit of lace behind. Malty aroma composed of toasty, lightly chocolate grains and a mild yeasty bite. Sweet, malty flavour that you get out of some better German beers. Mild breadiness with a light fruit character as well. It finishes with a dry cocoa flavour. Medium bodied with carbonation a little on the low side. Not bad, nothing spectacular though. I enjoyed it, but it didn't make a huge impression on me.

DrJay, Nov 11, 2006
Photo of Gusler
3.83/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Deep dark mahogany color, "Chill Hazed", portly head that is creamy in texture, that leaves a nice coating lace to seal off the glass. The aroma of lightly toasted grains, sweet caramel, fresh and crisp, the start sweet and nicely malted. Top is middling in texture, finish is astringent, modestly hopped, and the aftertaste dry, a decent beer, and worth a sample at any rate.

Gusler, Jan 02, 2003
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2.73/5  rDev -27.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

I found this at BierKraft in NYC, sold as singles. Poured into an Andechs weisse glass, I'm surprised at the dark color. I thought this would be a hefeweizen but BA lists it as a dunkel weizen. The beer smells kind of lactosy, definitely a wheat beer but not as much phenol as I'd prefer. Same with the taste, I don't get much banana or clove. Maybe this is an old bottle, hard to say as this is the first time I've tried the beer. Just not pleasant. I drank the whole thing but didn't really enjoy it.

TurdFurgison, Feb 16, 2009
Photo of tone77
3.7/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a brown 12 oz. bottle. Has a very dark brown color with a 1/2 inch head. Smell is strong, lots of fruits, spices, bananas, one of the better smelling beers I can remember. Taste is mild compared to the smell, but good, again banana, spices, a bit sweet. Feels medium bodied in the mouth and has good drinkability. Overall this is a fine quality beer.

tone77, Apr 14, 2010
Photo of RoyalT
4.08/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Appearance – I had to work the pour a little bit but came away with a gorgeous-looking Dunkel Weizen. The head was off-white and pillowy thick. The body was deep, luscious brown with that little clear spot on the very bottom.

Smell – The lovely, authentic German yeast aroma was huge on this weizen. It was dark and well-complimented with banana and clove and maybe a subtle non-citrusy hint of orange.

Taste – This one lost a bit of its boldness from the nose, but was still an excellent example of the style. The yeast was present and really darkened up at the taste.

Mouthfeel – The creamy smoothness of this light to medium-bodied beer was terrific, although it lacked the typical “fluffy” feeling that is found in most good German renditions of the style.

Drinkability – This was the first beer of the night and kept me full until dinner. I really enjoyed this Ramstein effort at a very, very difficult style.

Comments – Big thanks to Davo for sending this Dunkel Weizen out my way.

RoyalT, Jun 14, 2004
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2.68/5  rDev -28.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Pours out a murky cola-brown color with almost no head. What head there was vanished in seconds, and there was no streaming carbonation afterwards.

Smell is interesting, lots of banana and clove scents, some bubblegum and other spices, and a slightl doughiness.

Malty and sweet flavor, with hints of the clove spiciness and some banana and peachy fruit flavors entering in as well. The lack of carbonation gives a pretty dead mouthfeel, though, and after a time it kind of becomes too sweet and too syrupy. The flavor's not bad, but the dead mouthfeel really kills it.

Overall: I thought maybe I had an undercarbonated bottle, but it looks like a lot of the other reviews mention tiny/no head and not much carbonation. I'll pass on this one next time.

whartontallboy, Dec 20, 2005
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3.05/5  rDev -19.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Pours a nice dark brown hue, expected a hefe, who knew it was a dark wheat? The head is tall and a nice shade of dark khaki. Very pillow like wonderful retention with nice chunky lace.

S: The roast comes out nicely. Lots of caramel and chocolate up front. The banana is there (somewhat over ripe aromas) along with nice spice.

T: It does not taste as good as it looks or smells. Rather subtle to be honest. Mostly roast up front, not bold at all though. Very subtle spice with the slightest of hint of banana estered yeast.

M: Very snappy on the tongue, almost sharp to be honest.

D: So So. This one stared off great. Was sort of downhill from there.

tpd975, Aug 13, 2009
Photo of canucklehead
4.05/5  rDev +7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Mid brown with surprisingly little head this beer hides a wealth of big flavours. Fruit, malt, and cloves are a few of the great esters that float around this pronounced beer. I really love this style and Ramstein seem to understand the flavours needed compete with Old World examples. The finish was slightly sweet but not cloying. This is a beer worth having.

canucklehead, Apr 18, 2005
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3.95/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a cloudy brown color, with a faint head.

Smells biscuit like, also notice sweet grains, and roasted malts.

Taste is creamy and nutty. Nice roasted malt character, some underlying sweetness, and a bit of a tart toasty finish.

Mouthfeel is nice and full.

Drinkability is good. This is a nice easy drinking dunkel. Session worthy as well.

flexabull, Aug 12, 2007
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3.75/5  rDev -0.5%

muskiesman, Aug 22, 2014
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3.75/5  rDev -0.5%

SadMachine, Nov 17, 2012
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Ramstein Classic from High Point Brewing Company
85 out of 100 based on 94 ratings.