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Collaborative Evil 2008 - Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery

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BA SCORE
87
very good

51 Ratings
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Ratings: 51
Reviews: 41
rAvg: 3.88
pDev: 15.72%
Wants: 28
Gots: 3 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery visit their website
Illinois, United States

Style | ABV
Belgian Strong Dark Ale |  10.00% ABV

Availability: Fall

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

A collaboration of brewers Todd Ashman (FiftyFifty), Zac Triemert (Lucky Bucket), and Matt Van Wyk (Flossmoor Station). Made with Raisins, local honey, Mexican and Indian sugars, orange peel and black cardamom.

(Beer added by: orbitalr0x on 09-28-2008)
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KAF, Jul 08, 2014
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3.94/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Bottle: Poured a hazy deep burgundy color ale with a relatively large foamy head with good retention and some lacing. Aroma of dry raisins with sweet honey notes and residual candi sugar is pleasant though quite sweet. Taste is also dominated by dry raisins with sweet honey notes with deep caramelized malt with residual sugar notes. Body is full with somewhat of an oily texture with medium to good carbonation and light warming alcohol notes. This is a big sweet beers which is enjoyable but would have probably benefited form additional attenuation.

Phyl21ca, Jul 05, 2013
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4.25/5  rDev +9.5%

ackeeper, May 22, 2013
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3.25/5  rDev -16.2%

madtowndmb1, Nov 09, 2012
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4/5  rDev +3.1%

t0rin0, Sep 27, 2012
Photo of bamadog
4.1/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I lucked out and happened into a beer shop at the right time - when one of our fellow BAs was needing to sell off a good chunk of his collection for some bills... This is the original vintage, and I'm pretty pumped to give it a shot. Review is from notes taken on 7/30/2012 and poured from the bottle to a snifter.

Appearance: Pour is a dark, burnt caramel brown with some ruby to it; starts with a 1/2 finger dark tan creamy head that fades pretty quickly to nothing other than a thin, incomplete peninsula of a cap with a thicker, foamier ring around the surface; body is murky, hard to see too far into but near the sides of the glass where the light penetrates one can see tiny and quick streams of carbonation bubbling up throughout;

Smell: A lot of sweet malts with Belgian candi, a lot of spiciness as well that blends in with the candi, and it's weird, but I would almost swear that I smell Andes Candies in it; smell is solid and I feel pretty unique...

Taste: Hmmm... Interesting, to say the least. I still say there is Andes Candies in here, but there is a strong blast of dark, overripe and slightly tart fruitiness to it as well -- perhaps figs, raisins and/or dates; Belgian spiciness blends with the candi sugar and malts; bit of a booziness to it that that makes the mouthfeel interesting and kind of warm.

Mouthfeel: Body is of medium weight; carbonation is still plenty lively and fits the body as it's not harsh, doesn't thin out the body at all; as mentioned above, the spiciness, booziness and I swear mint-like flavors make the mouth, gums and belly warm and tingly. I really enjoy how this beer feels on the palate.

Overall: It's good, no doubt about it. Not something I would crave a lot, but I think the flavors are pretty unique and have a good thing going for them. I wouldn't be disappointed to see this appear again, but I doubt it would ever happen. On a side note, the bottle is super bad-ass.

bamadog, Jul 31, 2012
Photo of prototypic
3.9/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Thanks to DIPA for the bottle.

The 2008 Collaborative Evil release pours a dark copper color. It’s very hazy. Might even be some yeast particles floating around. Backlighting shows some really nice crimson highlights. A tan head covers it. Carbonation looks active and yields a head that’s over two fingers tall. It recedes to a surface covering rather quickly. Lacing was a little sticky and moderate.

The nose is good. It smells a bit spicy up front. Pepper, orange clove, and perhaps a little clove are noted. Dark fruit is quite prominent. Smells like raisin mostly. Sweet caramel, honey, and Belgian yeast are all noted and add nice depth. It’s a bit more complex than I anticipated. Light cocoa and a bread-like scent are secondary, but smell nice. Alcohol is easily noted. Smells a little strong, but isn’t overly offensive. Pretty good smelling stuff.

The flavor is quite good, as well. Light caramel and cocoa are noted up front. It tastes a little sweet. It does have a nice bready flavor. Belgian yeast is very subtle. More would be better. Dark fruit flavors of raisin and light plum and are noted. Honey is rather prominent in the mix. It works better than anticipated. Spicy notes of pepper, light clove, and orange peel emerge late. They seem a tad strong for what it is. A little restraint would’ve helped. Alcohol is there, but isn’t warm or hot. Finishes spicy and raisiny.

Collaborative Evil has a light-medium body. Carbonation is active, but doesn’t feel buzzy. The feel is just okay. Honestly, it’s a bit average for a Belgian style.

The 2008 release of Collaborative Evil is pretty good. It could be better. The spicy flavors tend to be a little overbearing, and the body could use a little finesse. It’s pretty tasty though. I’m enjoying it overall. Over the past 3 or 4 years, it’s held up pretty well. Not sure it will be improving a great deal from here on out though. If you’ve got a bottle, crack it open.

prototypic, Apr 14, 2012
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imperialking, Feb 20, 2012
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2.5/5  rDev -35.6%

ygtbsm94, Jan 10, 2012
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3/5  rDev -22.7%

whartontallboy, Jan 04, 2012
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4/5  rDev +3.1%

spycow, Dec 14, 2011
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4.5/5  rDev +16%

brandoman63, Nov 30, 2011
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2.75/5  rDev -29.1%

westcoastbeerlvr, Nov 15, 2011
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3.95/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle courtesy of d0b. Shared as part of a Collaborative Evil "diagonal" at Goose Island. Served in a taster glass.

A - Pours with a thin tan foam that settles to a thick collar, but leaves minimal lace. Murky raisin brown color. Not much of a looker here.

S - Cardamom, nebulous spices, raisins, some cocoa, dark fruits, light oxidation. Strangely chai tea-like in some ways. Surprised how strongly the spices have held up.

T - Taste has an odd sour cherry note, but if it's an infection it's stalled out at the same level for the last two years. Cocoa and dark fruit malt and fruity esters, but not much overt "Belgian yeast". Spices are far lower profile.

M - Somewhat zesty carbonation, medium body, sticky finish that also has a bit of tannic character to it as well. Was surprised that this was 10% - I knew that, but had forgotten.

D - This has aged quite well, and I'm not totally sure the sour note is infection (but I could be wrong). If you had spiced beers, you'll probably despise this, but I find it works far better than something like Poppaskull. I find it strangely compelling, and found Ovation to be pretty good as well.

MasterSki, Apr 04, 2011
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3.93/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Got this in trade from DavidEddie. Thanks, Dave!

Shared with gwuilliums. From cellar into tulips.

A: Deep red-brown color. This head, not much retention. Some lacing.

S: Fruity, spicy. Very aromatic.

T: Raisins and dark fruit and a spice on the finish that was slightly herbal. Just slightly sour. No hops.

M: Thin for this style. Excellent carbonation.

O: A little too much raisin for me. Of course, this is now three years aged. Maybe hops would have been present to offset the raisins earlier in its life...

Spica66, Apr 02, 2011
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2/5  rDev -48.5%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Bottle shared by bring. Thanks, Barry.

The beer glugs from the bottle a murky shade of brown, topped by a thin crust that settles to a wispy collar.

Overwhelming candi sugar sweetness, honey and spices assault the nostrils on first whiff. Intense cardamom and citrus - this is a bit of a trainwreck and a good example of how to not use spices in beer.

Overwhelmingly sweet and fruity, like taking a bite into a Maraschino cherry that's been coated in honey and brown sugar. These flavors are soon swept away by intense cardamom and coriander-like spiciness. There's a little fruity tartness in the mid-palate, but it's hardly a saving grace. Pretty much gross, I couldn't handle more than two ounces. Collaborative evil indeed.

largadeer, May 26, 2010
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2.55/5  rDev -34.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

2008 bottle thanks to bring on BA.

Pours dark reddish-brown with a small off-white head.

Aroma is sweet and spiced as hell. Molasses, caramel, allspice, cardamom, and dark fruits.

Flavor is WAY overspiced. Cardamom, allspice, orange peel, raisin, honey, caramel, and molasses.

You can feel the spices on the palate. Medium body.

Overall, not that good. Not balanced at all, and the drinkability is low.

nickd717, May 21, 2010
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4.47/5  rDev +15.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to the mothman for breaking this one out.

Pours a deep mahogany raisin color with a thin little head that dissipates quickly.

Big, dried fruits, spices and malts.

Just like the nose, dried fruits, various spices, kind of a little sourness as well. Tons of flavor that is melded very smoothly, I'm assuming it comes from the age.

High carbonation, very pleasant mouthfeel.

Very nice example of the style, goes down well.

pmccallum86, Apr 19, 2010
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4.22/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to eyebrews for this one. I shared this at a recent tasting.

Poured into CCB snifter.

Pours a light tan head that fades down fast. Color is a dark ruby brown.

Aroma: Huge spice flavors. Raisins, molasses, honey, cloves and more. I get some cherry and oranges. Sweet and spiced.

Taste: Huge malt profile. Very bready. Raisins and fresh cherries. Lots of honey, molasses, and other spices blend together. Cinnamon and nutmeg in the mix. Big and spiced, but well done.

Mouthfeel: Smooth, creamy, and refreshing. Medium bodied with more carbonation than the appearance would suggest. Ends dry and spiced.

Overall, for how many different spices were used in this beer it is pretty drinkable. Normally I can only handle so much spice, but this beer was well done. A little different compared to some of the other BSDA I have had but good none the less.

mothman, Apr 08, 2010
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4/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to Mothman for breaking this bad boy open at a recent tasting.

The beer is a dark, clear mahogany color, with a one finger beige head that sits on top. Good retention and leaves some spattered lacing.

The nose is very fruity and spicey. I get a little bit of Candi sugar, a bready maltiness with honey and nutmeg, and a hint of alcohol. Fairly complex and enjoyable.

The flavor is just like the nose, a sweet fruitiness with a touch of tart. Cherries and raisins, Candi sugar and bready malts. A significant spice portion, stronger than I expected. I get cinnamon and nutmeg, among others.

Medium in body, with a soft carbonation and a slightly sticky feel. Drinkability is good on this one.

Overall, I actually wasn't expecting this to be this good. I haven't really found an example of the Belgian Strong Dark Ale that I thought was worth the price I paid for it, but I really enjoyed this one. Thanks Ben for the chance.

Mistofminn, Mar 23, 2010
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2.95/5  rDev -24%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Received in a trade a while ago with d0b(gone but not forgotten).

Pours a very dark purplish plum/chestnut brown color that is completely opaque with only the faintest bit of dark golden mahogany edges when held to a light source and a one finger frothy light beige head that slowly fades into a lasting ring and cap. Sporadic chunks of lacing are left behind.

Sweet, almost sugary aroma with lots of estery dark fruit notes along with some slightly roasty dark malt character and subtle spice. Hints of raisin, plum, prune, fig, grape and dark berries complimented by subtle roasted malts. There is some additional sweetness in the nose that I'm not sure if it's from the honey or the alcohol character. Subtle earthy yest zesty peppery spice.

Very sweet, slightly chewy medium body with a decent amount of tight carbonation up front that slowly fades throughout the palate. Very prominent sweet, estery dark fruit, especially plum, raisin, prune and fig. There's also a strong grape and dark berry that along with the honey and alcohol profile add an almost unbearable sweetness. The roasted malt from the aroma is very subtle and doesn't provide enough balance to the overbearing sweetness. Slightly earthy with some zesty peppery spice but again this element is overshadowed by the sweetness. There isn't much heat and the high ABV is well masked most of the way through but is very prominent in the finish, giving off a lot of warmth. Overall this is an interesting approach and a good attempt to put a twist on a BSDA but it is insanely sweet, to the point where it can give you diabetes, and is not very well balanced or quaffable. Hopefully the 09 is a bit better. I wanted to trade some big guns for the Ovation but after this I'm not sure. Maybe the barrel aging will improve it?

corby112, Feb 04, 2010
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4.2/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to stevemcqueenjr for opening this new beer to me.

A: Presented a rich amber/brown color with good carbonation and lasting lace on my glass.
S: I noted raisins with candied sugar and sage. Might have been another herb in there, too.
T: Rich with roasted raisin flavor. Slightly tart. Hints of nutmeg and spice.
M: A bit watery, but well-bodied and warming as it goes down.
D: Great drinkability and intriguing complexity. Really opened up with time and warmth. This beer is peaking my Flossmoor curiosity.

d0ggnate, Dec 12, 2009
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4/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks Matt. Consumed on 11/21/2009 and poured into a snifter. The beer is deep crimson with a frothy beige one inch head and good retention. Lacing is scattered.

The nose opens with raisins and currants. The sugar component is candied Belgian and brown. There's a dash of vanilla with orange peel and sweet honey. The malt is bready and alcohol is well hidden. Awesome nose.

The flavor is bready malt with a mild cherry tartness. Hmmmm, I don't remember that from when I tried it fresh. Notes of honey, candied sugar, and brown sugar are evident. I have here in my notes "yum," so I'll add that on. The finish is tart raisins, cherries, and currants. Nice spiced Belgian dark strong.

HopHead84, Nov 23, 2009
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3.43/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

22oz bomber poured into a tulip.

This one pours very dark brown in the glass with a strong reddish tint around the edges. There's a big thick off-white head that shows excellent retention but doesn't leave too much lacing.

The aroma is massively spicy with the cardamom being the most dominant aroma overall. There is lots of brown sugar and dark malts in the background as well as some dark fruit sweetness.

The taste was really surprising and the initial sip had a pretty strong sourness with the caramelized sugar and Belgian yeast forming a solid backbone. The finish brings back the cardamom and leaves a spicy, peppery tingling going down with the orange peel also making an appearance.

The mouthfeel is medium bodied and highly carbonated, maybe a tad light for the style but nothing too distracting.

This is a decent beer, but I wasn't the biggest fan of the sourness in the taste which seemed a little out of place. The spiciness in the nose was also a little overpowering. The former limits the drinkability a bit for me.

gford217, Oct 27, 2009
Photo of BuckeyeNation
4.05/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

"The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people."

--Frank Kent

Pecan shell brown with generous tangerine highlights... that becomes glossy russet when backlit with afternoon sunshine. A vigorous pour has created three fingers of golden ecru colored foam that has an attractive texture and is leaving a fair amount of sea foam lace. Not a stunner, but it'll do nicely.

The aroma is dominated by dark malts and by two of the additional ingredients. An orange peel citrusiness is in the background and cardamom is in the foreground. I hope Matt didn't go too crazy with that spice since it's pretty aggressive and tends to take over whatever it's used in.

Collaborative Evil actually tastes like a BSDA. That's probably because the Belgians aren't especially style-conscious and tend to add all manner of things to their strong dark beer. It's also very well-behaved for a 10.0% ale, although more than one year in the bottle tends to help in that regard.

Putting flavor in terms of color, the malts taste midway between brown and black, which is pretty much like most BSDAs. Despite a decent amount of malt, two sugars and honey, CE 2008 isn't overly sweet. In fact, I'd go so far as to call it balanced. The various flavors are also integrated into a cohesive whole, especially given what was added.

Steely caramel and raisins are responsible for the darker flavors. Orange peel contributes a tangy fruitiness and coriander adds a warm spiciness, both of which become more bold with warming. Interesting and delicious is a sure-fire combination when it comes to big beer. Or any beer for that matter.

The body/mouthfeel is the only fly in the ointment. It's on the thinnish side for the style and doesn't have enough bubbles to provide the creamy expansiveness that I look for. This is the only place where the beer's age is apparent.

Collaborative Evil 2008 is damn good beer that could just as easily have earned the next highest flavor score. Sweet-bitter-tangy-spicy is a killer combination more often than not. I'd love for Flossmoor Station to brew this recipe again, but I'm also excited to taste what the new version has to offer. Thanks for rooting through the cellar Bryan.

BuckeyeNation, Oct 07, 2009
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Collaborative Evil 2008 from Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery
87 out of 100 based on 51 ratings.