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Collaborative Evil 2008 - Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery

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BA SCORE
87
very good

51 Ratings
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Ratings: 51
Reviews: 41
rAvg: 3.88
pDev: 15.72%
Wants: 28
Gots: 3 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery visit their website
Illinois, United States

Style | ABV
Belgian Strong Dark Ale |  10.00% ABV

Availability: Fall

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

A collaboration of brewers Todd Ashman (FiftyFifty), Zac Triemert (Lucky Bucket), and Matt Van Wyk (Flossmoor Station). Made with Raisins, local honey, Mexican and Indian sugars, orange peel and black cardamom.

(Beer added by: orbitalr0x on 09-28-2008)
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4/5  rDev +3.1%

t0rin0, Sep 27, 2012
Photo of brentk56
3.95/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Appearance: Arrives at the bar with a burnt caramel color and a very modest head which leaves a bit of lace before morphing into a ringlet

Smell: Dried cardomom dominates along with cherry, ginger and Cheerwine (you have to be from NC to get this)

Taste: Opens with a cherry flavor that is joined by the cardomom, cinnamon and ginger flavors at mid-palate; lots of dark fruit and candi sugar aspects in there, too; after the spices dominate the flavor profile, although there are some yeasty dark fruit elements discernable underneath

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body but a bit undercarbonated for a Belgian style

Drinkability: The spice profile is very interesting and a nice experiment but, to my palate, a bit overwhelming relative to the BSDA elements; it would be a much better beer if the two aspects were reversed

brentk56, Oct 23, 2008
Photo of BuckeyeNation
4.05/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

"The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people."

--Frank Kent

Pecan shell brown with generous tangerine highlights... that becomes glossy russet when backlit with afternoon sunshine. A vigorous pour has created three fingers of golden ecru colored foam that has an attractive texture and is leaving a fair amount of sea foam lace. Not a stunner, but it'll do nicely.

The aroma is dominated by dark malts and by two of the additional ingredients. An orange peel citrusiness is in the background and cardamom is in the foreground. I hope Matt didn't go too crazy with that spice since it's pretty aggressive and tends to take over whatever it's used in.

Collaborative Evil actually tastes like a BSDA. That's probably because the Belgians aren't especially style-conscious and tend to add all manner of things to their strong dark beer. It's also very well-behaved for a 10.0% ale, although more than one year in the bottle tends to help in that regard.

Putting flavor in terms of color, the malts taste midway between brown and black, which is pretty much like most BSDAs. Despite a decent amount of malt, two sugars and honey, CE 2008 isn't overly sweet. In fact, I'd go so far as to call it balanced. The various flavors are also integrated into a cohesive whole, especially given what was added.

Steely caramel and raisins are responsible for the darker flavors. Orange peel contributes a tangy fruitiness and coriander adds a warm spiciness, both of which become more bold with warming. Interesting and delicious is a sure-fire combination when it comes to big beer. Or any beer for that matter.

The body/mouthfeel is the only fly in the ointment. It's on the thinnish side for the style and doesn't have enough bubbles to provide the creamy expansiveness that I look for. This is the only place where the beer's age is apparent.

Collaborative Evil 2008 is damn good beer that could just as easily have earned the next highest flavor score. Sweet-bitter-tangy-spicy is a killer combination more often than not. I'd love for Flossmoor Station to brew this recipe again, but I'm also excited to taste what the new version has to offer. Thanks for rooting through the cellar Bryan.

BuckeyeNation, Oct 07, 2009
Photo of Phyl21ca
3.94/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Bottle: Poured a hazy deep burgundy color ale with a relatively large foamy head with good retention and some lacing. Aroma of dry raisins with sweet honey notes and residual candi sugar is pleasant though quite sweet. Taste is also dominated by dry raisins with sweet honey notes with deep caramelized malt with residual sugar notes. Body is full with somewhat of an oily texture with medium to good carbonation and light warming alcohol notes. This is a big sweet beers which is enjoyable but would have probably benefited form additional attenuation.

Phyl21ca, Jul 05, 2013
Photo of mikesgroove
4.7/5  rDev +21.1%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Wow this is a damn good beer. Much thanks to D0b for sending me this one as an extra. Served chilled, and poured into a nonic pint glass, this twenty two ounce bomber was consumed on 01/12/2009.

First off, bonus points for the fantastic looking bottle with the red waxed cap. Poured a deep, dark black, with no light shining through this monster at all. A huge tan head of three inches in height came up over the top and settled down nicely into a thin film maybe an inch high that lasted throughout the rest of the session. Very big looking beer I have to say.

The aroma was wonderful. Tart cherries and prunes, hints of dates and a luscious almost raspeberry note to it. Very much alive with a sour funk note and lots of hoppiness. The flavor defies style. As it starts with delicate, soft plums and grapes, hints of cherries and blackberries them coming forward giving that tart flavor a wonderful foot forward. Exceptional depth here as each flavor was better then the one before and each sip seemed to get more and more complex. I can just see the fruits in my mind as I sip on this one,The texture was nice, though a little fuller would have made this one wonderful. I was really impressed as the alcohol was soo well hidden that by the end of the session I was really feeling this one,

Overall I loved this beer. I was expecting something heavy and sweet but instead a subtle fruity belgian beer is waht greeted me. Not sure what style I would call this one, but it its damn good, and I would love to have another.

mikesgroove, Jan 13, 2009
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2.5/5  rDev -35.6%

ygtbsm94, Jan 10, 2012
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4/5  rDev +3.1%

spycow, Dec 14, 2011
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2.75/5  rDev -29.1%

westcoastbeerlvr, Nov 15, 2011
Photo of largadeer
2/5  rDev -48.5%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Bottle shared by bring. Thanks, Barry.

The beer glugs from the bottle a murky shade of brown, topped by a thin crust that settles to a wispy collar.

Overwhelming candi sugar sweetness, honey and spices assault the nostrils on first whiff. Intense cardamom and citrus - this is a bit of a trainwreck and a good example of how to not use spices in beer.

Overwhelmingly sweet and fruity, like taking a bite into a Maraschino cherry that's been coated in honey and brown sugar. These flavors are soon swept away by intense cardamom and coriander-like spiciness. There's a little fruity tartness in the mid-palate, but it's hardly a saving grace. Pretty much gross, I couldn't handle more than two ounces. Collaborative evil indeed.

largadeer, May 26, 2010
Photo of emerge077
4.08/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours in to a Duvel tulip a dark shade of brown that glows crimson when backlit. A finger or two of tan foam rise above the rim, and slowly recede. Swirling rekindles the head immediately.

Raisin, spiced cookies, it's bready like a doppelbock, but smells more like a Trappist. Some faint cola sweetness, fig and plum.

I had read about the tartness development, and noticed it right away when tasting this bottle. Not sure that this was intentional, since it wasn't present when fresh. Luckily it compliments the residual sweetness and spices present. When fresh it was pretty phenolic and warm with alcohol, now the heat isn't noticeable at all. There's still some honey laced banana bread in the background and trace cardamom, behind the tart berry flavor. Leather and tobacco blend into the initial tartness, reminding me of a Flanders Oud Bruin. The light astringency works against it, though it's fairly full bodied and well carbonated. Honey and spices in the pleasant aftertaste.

Looking forward to the next release...

emerge077, Jul 18, 2009
Photo of MasterSki
3.95/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle courtesy of d0b. Shared as part of a Collaborative Evil "diagonal" at Goose Island. Served in a taster glass.

A - Pours with a thin tan foam that settles to a thick collar, but leaves minimal lace. Murky raisin brown color. Not much of a looker here.

S - Cardamom, nebulous spices, raisins, some cocoa, dark fruits, light oxidation. Strangely chai tea-like in some ways. Surprised how strongly the spices have held up.

T - Taste has an odd sour cherry note, but if it's an infection it's stalled out at the same level for the last two years. Cocoa and dark fruit malt and fruity esters, but not much overt "Belgian yeast". Spices are far lower profile.

M - Somewhat zesty carbonation, medium body, sticky finish that also has a bit of tannic character to it as well. Was surprised that this was 10% - I knew that, but had forgotten.

D - This has aged quite well, and I'm not totally sure the sour note is infection (but I could be wrong). If you had spiced beers, you'll probably despise this, but I find it works far better than something like Poppaskull. I find it strangely compelling, and found Ovation to be pretty good as well.

MasterSki, Apr 04, 2011
Photo of Gueuzedude
3.58/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This has a frothy, dark tan colored head that sits on top of a murky, amber tinged, dark brown colored beer. Wow, this smells strongly of cardamom with a mix of aromatic notes of cola, clove, an at times green herbaceous note and even a distinct hemp like notes. The aroma is also quite herbal, and I was actually a bit surprised by how spicy this was.

The herbal / hemp flavor continues on in the flavor, but there is also lots of expressive cardamom character as well as a clove-like finish to the beer. This is fairly sweet and has a chewy, rich, viscous bodied, amply maltiness to it as well. The herbal notes are interesting in their intensity; at times it is mint-like and at others more menthol oriented, but both are probably a result of the dominant cardamom character. Underneath all the spice character, and accentuated by the rich malt character, is a hidden, rich, fruity backdrop that adds notes of raisins and figs.

Once tasted, I realized this was obviously quite amply spiced. This will most definitely age quite well for quite some time, especially since the spice character is fairly intense. It is not spiced to overwhelming levels though and, despite all my focus / complaining, is even fairly enjoyable fresh, but I definitely prefer a much more subtle approach to spicing beers.

Gueuzedude, Oct 19, 2008
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4.5/5  rDev +16%

imperialking, Feb 20, 2012
Photo of corby112
2.95/5  rDev -24%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Received in a trade a while ago with d0b(gone but not forgotten).

Pours a very dark purplish plum/chestnut brown color that is completely opaque with only the faintest bit of dark golden mahogany edges when held to a light source and a one finger frothy light beige head that slowly fades into a lasting ring and cap. Sporadic chunks of lacing are left behind.

Sweet, almost sugary aroma with lots of estery dark fruit notes along with some slightly roasty dark malt character and subtle spice. Hints of raisin, plum, prune, fig, grape and dark berries complimented by subtle roasted malts. There is some additional sweetness in the nose that I'm not sure if it's from the honey or the alcohol character. Subtle earthy yest zesty peppery spice.

Very sweet, slightly chewy medium body with a decent amount of tight carbonation up front that slowly fades throughout the palate. Very prominent sweet, estery dark fruit, especially plum, raisin, prune and fig. There's also a strong grape and dark berry that along with the honey and alcohol profile add an almost unbearable sweetness. The roasted malt from the aroma is very subtle and doesn't provide enough balance to the overbearing sweetness. Slightly earthy with some zesty peppery spice but again this element is overshadowed by the sweetness. There isn't much heat and the high ABV is well masked most of the way through but is very prominent in the finish, giving off a lot of warmth. Overall this is an interesting approach and a good attempt to put a twist on a BSDA but it is insanely sweet, to the point where it can give you diabetes, and is not very well balanced or quaffable. Hopefully the 09 is a bit better. I wanted to trade some big guns for the Ovation but after this I'm not sure. Maybe the barrel aging will improve it?

corby112, Feb 04, 2010
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3.85/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Strange beer, and not at all what I was expecting. It definitely has a strange clend of spice and sour to it with lots of raisiny fruit. Pours deep brown with a scant head. Smells strongly of sultanas and herbs and spices. An aroma of Rosemary seems especially noticeable, or another very piney herb. The taste starts sour- which is a surprise, and moves back into raisin territory with more pungent herbs and some late sweet cherries. Very unusual. It's a bit much overall. The sour and the herbs together are a little jarring, and the raisins make it a little over the top. It reminds me a bit of Avery 15, but with more herbal punch. I'm glad I tried it, and I'd probably have some again just because it is so unusual, but I can't say its anywhere near my favorite.

Georgiabeer, Feb 13, 2009
Photo of mothman
4.22/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to eyebrews for this one. I shared this at a recent tasting.

Poured into CCB snifter.

Pours a light tan head that fades down fast. Color is a dark ruby brown.

Aroma: Huge spice flavors. Raisins, molasses, honey, cloves and more. I get some cherry and oranges. Sweet and spiced.

Taste: Huge malt profile. Very bready. Raisins and fresh cherries. Lots of honey, molasses, and other spices blend together. Cinnamon and nutmeg in the mix. Big and spiced, but well done.

Mouthfeel: Smooth, creamy, and refreshing. Medium bodied with more carbonation than the appearance would suggest. Ends dry and spiced.

Overall, for how many different spices were used in this beer it is pretty drinkable. Normally I can only handle so much spice, but this beer was well done. A little different compared to some of the other BSDA I have had but good none the less.

mothman, Apr 08, 2010
Photo of brandoman63
4.5/5  rDev +16%

brandoman63, Nov 30, 2011
Photo of Viggo
3.68/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

650 ml bottle, big thanks to grub for sharing with me.

Pours a murky dark orange brown, some dark reddish hues in the corner, thick off white head forms, drops to a really solid ring around the glass, lots of lacing, good retention, nice layer for the whole glass. Smell is very spicy, lots of raisin, some chocolate roast, ginger and cinnamon, cake, honey, yeast, some sweetness thats overpowered by a ton of spice. Taste is weird, very spicy, ginger and raisins, honey, sweet fruit, cinnamon, cloves, some sour/vinegar notes, some orange peel/lemony notes, very spicy and lots of cake/cookie character. Some molasses/brown sugar sweetness, figs and raisins, kind of all over the place. Mouthfeel is medium bodied with medium carbonation, alcohol is well hidden but the spice is a bit out of control. Has kind of a strange sour/acedic note as it goes down thats a bit tough but I enjoy this more as I drink it, at least its interesting.

Viggo, Feb 01, 2009
Photo of HopHead84
4/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks Matt. Consumed on 11/21/2009 and poured into a snifter. The beer is deep crimson with a frothy beige one inch head and good retention. Lacing is scattered.

The nose opens with raisins and currants. The sugar component is candied Belgian and brown. There's a dash of vanilla with orange peel and sweet honey. The malt is bready and alcohol is well hidden. Awesome nose.

The flavor is bready malt with a mild cherry tartness. Hmmmm, I don't remember that from when I tried it fresh. Notes of honey, candied sugar, and brown sugar are evident. I have here in my notes "yum," so I'll add that on. The finish is tart raisins, cherries, and currants. Nice spiced Belgian dark strong.

HopHead84, Nov 23, 2009
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3.5/5  rDev -9.8%

KAF, Jul 08, 2014
Photo of gford217
3.43/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

22oz bomber poured into a tulip.

This one pours very dark brown in the glass with a strong reddish tint around the edges. There's a big thick off-white head that shows excellent retention but doesn't leave too much lacing.

The aroma is massively spicy with the cardamom being the most dominant aroma overall. There is lots of brown sugar and dark malts in the background as well as some dark fruit sweetness.

The taste was really surprising and the initial sip had a pretty strong sourness with the caramelized sugar and Belgian yeast forming a solid backbone. The finish brings back the cardamom and leaves a spicy, peppery tingling going down with the orange peel also making an appearance.

The mouthfeel is medium bodied and highly carbonated, maybe a tad light for the style but nothing too distracting.

This is a decent beer, but I wasn't the biggest fan of the sourness in the taste which seemed a little out of place. The spiciness in the nose was also a little overpowering. The former limits the drinkability a bit for me.

gford217, Oct 27, 2009
Photo of whartontallboy
3/5  rDev -22.7%

whartontallboy, Jan 04, 2012
Photo of prototypic
3.9/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Thanks to DIPA for the bottle.

The 2008 Collaborative Evil release pours a dark copper color. It’s very hazy. Might even be some yeast particles floating around. Backlighting shows some really nice crimson highlights. A tan head covers it. Carbonation looks active and yields a head that’s over two fingers tall. It recedes to a surface covering rather quickly. Lacing was a little sticky and moderate.

The nose is good. It smells a bit spicy up front. Pepper, orange clove, and perhaps a little clove are noted. Dark fruit is quite prominent. Smells like raisin mostly. Sweet caramel, honey, and Belgian yeast are all noted and add nice depth. It’s a bit more complex than I anticipated. Light cocoa and a bread-like scent are secondary, but smell nice. Alcohol is easily noted. Smells a little strong, but isn’t overly offensive. Pretty good smelling stuff.

The flavor is quite good, as well. Light caramel and cocoa are noted up front. It tastes a little sweet. It does have a nice bready flavor. Belgian yeast is very subtle. More would be better. Dark fruit flavors of raisin and light plum and are noted. Honey is rather prominent in the mix. It works better than anticipated. Spicy notes of pepper, light clove, and orange peel emerge late. They seem a tad strong for what it is. A little restraint would’ve helped. Alcohol is there, but isn’t warm or hot. Finishes spicy and raisiny.

Collaborative Evil has a light-medium body. Carbonation is active, but doesn’t feel buzzy. The feel is just okay. Honestly, it’s a bit average for a Belgian style.

The 2008 release of Collaborative Evil is pretty good. It could be better. The spicy flavors tend to be a little overbearing, and the body could use a little finesse. It’s pretty tasty though. I’m enjoying it overall. Over the past 3 or 4 years, it’s held up pretty well. Not sure it will be improving a great deal from here on out though. If you’ve got a bottle, crack it open.

prototypic, Apr 14, 2012
Photo of srandycarter
4.22/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Pours cola, not much head, leaves fast, thin bubble sudsy lacing.

S - Banana, fruits, other standard Belgian yeast smells.

T - Cola, banana, vanilla, spices.

M- medium body, creamy, good balance and carb.

D - For the style, nice. Frankly, it just wasn't a stand out beer for me.

srandycarter, Dec 01, 2008
Photo of GbVDave
4.33/5  rDev +11.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a red wax sealed 22oz bomber into two St. Bernardus goblets. Thanks to HeatherAnn for the assist!

A: Slides into the glass a murky, dark chocolate-y brown. The tiny, off-white head quickly gives way to a mere suggestion of a skim and leaves the barest minimum of lace...we were ok with that!

S: Here's where this beer really shines. Glorious aromas of tart fruit, pungeant funky yeast, toffee, dark chocolate, spice, roasted malt, dark fruit, honey, clove, caramel, and raisin. Heather noticed earthy, "vegetable-like" aromas of squash, pumpkin, or gourd.

T: See above for a really accurate description. Add to this a bit of metallic alcohol burn and more sweet, spicy, and earthy vegetal flavors. Awesome!

M: Dry and roasty, with a sweet, tangy, and funky earthiness. A bit thin at first, but that could've been due to the slightly too cold serving temp.

D: We both enjoyed this beer immensely. The alcohol is present but not in your face, at all. However, by the end of the bottle we were both feeling a little "flushed". This was an excellent collaboration. Could this be the first in a series? Here's hoping yes!

GbVDave, Nov 15, 2008
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Collaborative Evil 2008 from Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery
87 out of 100 based on 51 ratings.