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.357 Imperial Pilsner - Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery

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.357 Imperial Pilsner.357 Imperial Pilsner

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BA SCORE
77
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51 Ratings
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Ratings: 51
Reviews: 33
rAvg: 3.28
pDev: 19.51%
Wants: 1
Gots: 2 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery visit their website
Illinois, United States

Style | ABV
American Double / Imperial Pilsner |  12.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: Kegatron on 04-29-2010

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

"Go ahead. Make our day. Open up this bottle of .357 and enjoy this beer with THREE different malts, FIVE hop varieties (of course we used Magnum), and lagered SEVEN weeks. Ride off into the sunset with this in your holster!"
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Ratings: 51 | Reviews: 33
Photo of Phyl21ca
2.99/5  rDev -8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 3

Bottle: Poured a clear bright golden color pilsner with a large white foamy head with good retention and some lacing. Aroma consists of sweet malt with some warming alcohol that can be easily identifiable. Taste is also dominated by loads of sweet notes with light dry hops notes not as clearly identifiable as expected. Body is quite full with somewhat of an oily texture and some good carbonation with too much alcohol that is perceptible though. This beer was too sweet for my own personal taste and with a bit too much boozy notes coming through.

Photo of mikesgroove
3.08/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

amber color coming through very clearly. Nice notes of white coming over the top of the beer, with a settling down of the head into a subtle side glass profile. Nice carbonation could be seen coming up from the bottom of the glass as well.

The aroma was very light. Nice touches of citrus popping up throughout the profile. A definite touch of alcohol was visible from the very first whiff though, letting me know this one was going to be strong, and settling me back in the chair a bit I have to say. Light grains coming through now as it starts to warm up, the taste was very crisp, clean and transparen

Photo of trxxpaxxs
3.03/5  rDev -7.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Thanks to davidbowers13 for this bottle.

A: Pours a hazy yellow/orange. It almost has a light golden hue to it. There is about one finger of head that slowly dissipates, leaving behind only the larger bubbles. Not much lacing to speak of.

S: Smells malty and boozy. There is a mix of sweetness, tartness and alcohol.

T: Starts off malty and sweet. But there is an ever present alcohol taste lingering around. It finishes dry and boozy.

M: I'm going with full bodied on this one. There is a serious amount of heft, and this beer needs to be chewed down. Again, it finishes dry and the flavors linger for quite awhile.

O: I'm not a fan of this beer. Even the idea of an imperial pilsner seems strange. It's nice to have tried, but I'm not impressed with my first Flossmoor Station offering.

Photo of KDawg
3.83/5  rDev +16.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

this was poured from draft and poured a nice head

Balanced and aromatic with tones of malts, hops, oranges and some heat (in an alcoholic way)

medium/full bodied with a lot more malty tones but also some booziness as well

This was definitely showing the 12%, but it wasn't like I was drinking an extremely alcoholic beer. While there was a boozy quality to it, it wasn't overdone and on the whole a very good beer

Photo of Sideswipe
2.56/5  rDev -22%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

22oz bottle courtesy of AleWatcher. Thanks Jeff!

A- Pours a deep golden color with a two finger head of dense white foam. Head recedes leaving a thin white coaster and decent lacing.

S- Smells sweet with a hint of citrus. I'm also getting alcohol and green apple.

T- Starts out hot and sweet. Wow. More like a barleywine than a pilsner. Huge caramel malt presence mid-palate backed up with more booze and and a slightly bitter hoppiness. Finish is semi-dry and sweet with a lingering booozy aftertaste.

M- Big and sticky describes the body of this brew. Carbonation is on the low side lending a creamy texture that works well with a beer of this gravity. ABV is conspicuously evident throughout.

O- Not what I was expecting from a beer with the word "Pilsner" on the label. As I stated earlier, it seemed more like a barleywine to me. Every aspect of .357 is over the top huge. Glad I had the opportunity but I wouldn't have this one again.

Photo of htomsirveaux
3.05/5  rDev -7%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Tried on tap at Flossmoor, 17 Jul 2011. Served in a snifter.

Small off white head is quick to dissipate. Lightly carbonated. Somewhat hazy golden orange. Light aroma, syrupy sweet, some alcohol. Lots of sugar and alcohol to start. Slightly floral. Fairly sweet throughout until the finish when some bitterness comes out. Medium body, warming alcohol. Moderately bitter, warming lingering finish.

Not bad but seems a bit sweet for an imperial pils.

Photo of alleykatking
1.7/5  rDev -48.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 1 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

Had this on tap as it's back on the Flossmoor beer sign.

A- Poured a deep hazed golden yellow color. Half finger white head shows poor retention. No lace left on the sides of the glass but showed some legs.

S- Tons of alcohol all throughout the aroma. It never really dies down and goes strong right off the get go. Light earthy hops in the ending aroma get cut off by the alcohol. The rest of the beer smells like wet grain with a hint of biscuit but mostly wet grain.

T- Well hello there big burst of alcohol in the front! This beer is hot...it was hot the first time they brewed it and it's hot this time as well. Alcohol in the front dominated a grainy like pilsner malt. Wet grain toward the middle with the alcohol heat dying a little. Ending shows the grains coming out once again with a backdrop of drity hops. Alcohol comes in once again and crushes any flavor that was there. Fuck this beer is hot!

M- Medium mouthfeel. Carbonation is good for the style. Alcohol and wet grain are left on the palate and the alcohol is pretty much the only thing I can taste long into the aftertaste. Flavors were underbalanced but it would be hard to tell I think with all the alcohol flavor. No real off flavors just freaking hot beer. Heavy alcohol drying on the palate with each sip.

O- This beer was not good at all. Not a horrible beer I think if the heat were to die down. As of now though this is just a boozy mess. I've heard some good things about this in the bottle but I don't think this one should be had on tap ever...

Photo of Huhzubendah
3.18/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bottle shared by Lunch. Thanks Paul!

The beer appears golden yellow with a small, white head that leaves just a bit of lacing on the glass.

The aroma brings a heavy serving of hops with butterscotch. This smells much more like a barleywine than any kind of pilsner, imperial or otherwise.

The flavor brings a lot of booze, with a huge hop presence. Ugh! Not for the faint of heart. The taste is long lasting, with prominent sweetness and hops soaked in alcohol.

The feel is medium to full bodied with light carbonation.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Photo of drabmuh
3.3/5  rDev +0.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Bottle shared by someone at a recent tasting. This was an odd beer. It was dark amber with nearly no head low carbonation no lacing.

Aroma is like a big barleywine, a sweet aromatic malt aroma.

Beer is thick and heavy. Strong almost liquor like alcoholic bite. Not my favorite. Hard to drink not even close flossmoor.

Photo of mdfb79
3.7/5  rDev +12.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Goddamn beer was provided by Lunch; thanks Paul.

a - Pours a murky golden color with one inch of white head and moderate carbonation evident.

s - Smells of caramel, toffee, bready malts, and light sweet fruit. I like the taste but I don't know how this is a pilsner. Smell really reminds me of a barleywine, as it did other people who had it.

t - Taste follows the nose; lots of caramel, sweet fruit, and bready malts. A little bit of alcohol but not much for 12% ABV. Again, quite barleywineish.

m - Medium body and low carbonation.

o - This was no goddamn pilsner; seemed much more like a barleywine to me and everyone else tasting it with me. Either way I enjoyed it and would like to try another bottle to see if it tasted similiar.

Photo of Thorpe429
3.55/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to Paul [insert inappropriate word here] Lunch for bringing this brew to the FW tasting. Rocked this one out in a Captain Lawrence tulip. Should have pulled out my Flossmoor pint glass just to irk Paul after he showed me up by bringing a FW mini-snifter and coaster.

Pours a clear golden color with an average white head that diminished pretty quickly, leaving behind sparse spotty lacing. The nose had an average amount of bread and straw plus some light floral and herbal hops. The flavor was no different, hitting some grains and then dosing on the hops. 12%? No way. Mouthfeel gets a bump for those heroics. Pretty decent, though fairly plain. Medium body with a bitter, dry finish.

Photo of glid02
3.93/5  rDev +19.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Dan - thanks!

Pours a very hazy golden color with a half-finger white head. The head recedes into a wispy layer on top leaving decent lacing.

Smells of moderately sweet pilsner malts with good amounts of orange peel and floral aromas. Also present are hints of indistinct spiciness.

Tastes very similar to how it smells. Smooth pilsner malt flavors kick things off and are joined quickly by sugar-dusted citrus hops. Also present are hints of earthy hops and breadiness underlying everything. Faint hints of grassiness come into play midway through the sip, fading out into a mildly bitter ending.

Mouthfeel is very good. It's got a heavy thickness with grainy carbonation.

Drinkability is good. I finished my glass without any problems and could have another.

Overall I enjoyed this beer and it's aged nicely for a style that doesn't always do so. Worth a shot.

Photo of LilBeerDoctor
2.36/5  rDev -28%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Reviewed on 5/21/2010. Bottle thanks to FlssmrBrewAlum. Pours a clear light orange with a small white head. Aroma of sweet malt, light fruits, and a touch of glue (yes, glue). Flavor of sweet malt, a little booze, and more of that odd glue. Hmm, not really a fan of this one. The flavor was off and the palate was way too heavy. Yuck.

Photo of BuckeyeNation
4.03/5  rDev +22.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Sun-splashed pumpkin orange with honey hued highlights and an attractive crown of ivory colored cream. Persistence is impressive and lace deposition is pretty extensive. There must be generous hop resins in (and on) the glass.

The aroma is wall-to-wall Euro hops, which is what the American Imperial Pilsner style should be all about. The malt (mostly pale-pilsner) don't add much at all and alcohol is essentially absent. This might be high-caliber beer.

.357 Imperial Pilsner is... pretty good beer. Time and warming will determine if it's solidly good beer or not. It doesn't taste like malt liquor, which is how some underhopped IPs can come across. Then again, it doesn't have the lupulin explosiveness of the best of style.

Flavors include sugar cookies, sweetened cereal grains, assorted golden orchard fruits, and herbal-grassy-spicy hops of a European bent. Saaz must be one of the five, along with Magnum. At this point in its life (estimated 5 months), this big brew is both malty sweet and hoppy bitter in equal measure. Hop flavor is becoming bolder at the mid-bomber point.

Ridiculous amounts of clingy lace give me no choice but to bump the appearance score. The mouthfeel is crushed velvety plush (due to all those malt sugars) and has a minor raspiness from the alpha acids. Good contrast and more than pleasant all around.

Flossmoor Station .357 Imperial Pilsner is not the be-all-and-end-all version of the style (Sam Adams Hallertau Imperial Pilsner), but it's surprisingly delicious and drinkable if you're a fan of American-style big beer and Old World hops.

Photo of CrellMoset
3.49/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Red wax topped 22 oz. bottle courtesy of a generous BA whose name has been lost to the ages and a crash of my laptop which contained my list of trading partners. Alas, thanks, whoever you are! Poured in to a snifter and split w/ afausser.

Appearance: A great pour yields a gorgeous beer, a bright, deeply-hued orange copper body, hazed only slightly, as if they attempted to filter it but just couldn't get everything out. The beer is initially topped by what appears to be a long-lasting finger or so of nearly pure snow white head, but the retention isn't quite what I expected it to be (the appearance's only knock), and it fades to a foamy collar and a thin and uniform sheen of dusting in a minute or two. The lacing, however, is fantastic - sheets at first, and ultimately tendrils and eruptions or sticky, clingy white foam makes for a fantastic display.

Aroma: Very mellow, and perhaps this beer's worst attribute. At first, I got nearly nothing out of the nose. As it warmed, a few uncomfortable vinegary notes and a few chemical overtones emerged, and - though there are a few hints of lightly roasted malts here - it's mostly forgettable.

Taste: A harsh, moderately chemical bitterness runs roughshod ... but only on the latter half of the sip. The first half is dominated by sweet, syrupy malts, likely a necessary addition to counteract all the alcohol and hops tossed in to the kettle on this one (though I cringe to think of the OG of this one, given both how sweet it is and how high in abv% it is). Hop notes are a little less scarce, at least in terms of variety - a strong grassy note is pretty evident, as are a few fruity overtones, but I imagine the latter is mainly fruit esters, not hop oils. Still, not bad.

Mouthfeel: Thick and fairly syrupy, but with a surprising amount of carbonation. Smooth and mild, with a slight bite

Drinkability: It's possible they pushed this one a little too far. A 12.0% double pilsner? Dangerous territory. This one manages to hit a lot of the highlights but falls definitely short in a few critical places. Specifically, I don't think anything that tastes like a pilsner should be able to sustain a 12% abv - you're not going to be able to contain all the funky esters that emerge at those levels. This beer's also just a tad too sweet, though I understand and appreciate what that does to cover certain other potentially undesirable off flavors. On the whole it's a mixed bag, and one I liked a little more than I anticipated I may from reading the reviews.

Photo of womencantsail
3.08/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Bottle shared by the ever "generous" t0rin0 (thanks for the tick, Bobby). Does Flossmoor have a wax fetish? Seems like they wax every single beer that they bottle.

A: The pour is a clear golden yellow/straw color with a somewhat short lived white head.

S: Nose is plenty sweet, to the point of being sugary, in fact. A decent floral and citrusy hop aroma that gives some lemon and orange notes.

T: I suppose the imperial portion only referred to the alcohol/sugar content and not the hops. This is like drinking alcoholic apple juice with a touch of citrus flavor.

M: The body is somewhat heavy for a pilsner (even if it is imperialized). Medium in terms of carbonation.

D: Too sweet for my tastes. I like a good crisp pilsner, and this did not fit the bill. Imperial Pils seems like a really hard style to pull off, because I've only had one or two good ones.

Photo of gford217
3.4/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Bottle thanks to FlssmrBrewAlum.

Pours a bright clear golden with a small bubbly head that recedes very quickly to a small collar and leaves a tiny bit of lacing on the sides.

The aroma is sugary sweet with toasted caramel malts and a big floral hop presence. There is a spiciness to the nose and an alcohol burn.

The taste is even sweeter with sugary malts and thick resinous hops. The finish is hot with alcohol and prickly, very astringent actually.

The mouthfeel is syrupy sweet and heavy on the palate. Carbonation is low to moderate but nor enough to lighten the heft of the sweetness.

This isn't a bad beer but it's not very drinkable as the sweetness and alcohol are really over the top. I guess I shouldn't expect anything different from a 12% impy pilsner.

Photo of rhoadsrage
4.13/5  rDev +25.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

(Served in a chalice)
A- This beer has a crystal clear orange body with a thick creamy light beige head and a bubbly gentle carbonation of tiny bubbles and a white lacing.
S- The green hop cologne is full and fragrant. There is a spicy pale malt note with a faint minty not to the hops.
T- Sweet malty pale with a soft fruity note that leads to a green pungent hop finish with a sweet cinnamon quality and a minty note. The bitter hop bite lingers after the finish.
M- The medium mouthfeel has a soft fizz note with a warm soft note of alcohol.
D- This is a good white barleywine, I know I made a new style up, or Belgian Strong Pale Ale not a Imp. Pilsner. The sweet malty flavors have a nice hop support but the hop bite is a bit to much. No real lager qualities but it doesn't need it. This should be a nice beer to age.

Photo of ommegoose
3.75/5  rDev +14.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Steep price on this one, so let's hope it's worth it.

Pours into a tulip, slightly hazy gold. Slightly foamy ring around the glass. Actually held a cap for a fairly long time even though the abv is so high. Last pour actually contained some sediment that clouded up the beer just a bit.

Citric aroma. Mainly lemon. Sugar. Some somewhat richer malt, like toffee or light caramel. Tropical fruit. Doesn't really recall a pilsner in the aroma, but it's pretty pleasing.

Lemony. Some crispness from hops, but mainly it's too syrupy for that. I was wondering how this would end up different than an IIPA, but the hop profile does seem pilsnery. It's just the malt that's super beefed up. Not sure why this needed to be 12% rather than just 8 or 9. I have a high tolerance for sweet beers, but I can see why some people would find this overbearing. Hop bitterness is low and found mainly in grassy, peppery notes. More hops would be good. Super malty beer. Was very clean at first, but starts to develop darker notes, like slightly toasty caramel. Starts to resemble a pale barleywine as it warms as it just can't maintain the crispness and bite that a good pilsner would have. I would not buy another bomber of this, but if I had a chance to have a 6 oz. glass or so I would give it another go.

The feel is good. Carbonation is a little too low. Could use more to offset the syrupy character. Certainly is viscous.

It's really hot, but that always stops being an issue after a few ounces. Not hard to drink a bomber over a long enough session, but it's a bit much for a Monday. It makes a good enough argument for being an imperial pilsner. Closest reference points are probably Southern Tier's Krampus and Farmer's Tan, and it's probably in the same league as those in terms of quality. All beers I was hoping for a lot more from. Obviously there are awesome eisbocks and doppelbocks out there, but I'm still waiting to be wowed by pale imperial lagers.

Photo of radshoesbro
3.9/5  rDev +18.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

First off, I have no idea why this doesn't have a better rating. I think it's pretty damn tasty!

Pours golden with big head and a lot of lace. It's a little cloudier than I want a pilsner to be.

Smells of floral hops with a sweetness imparted from the TWELVE PERCENT ABV!!! This is not a sessionable beer and you can tell it in the nose.
Tastes of pilsner malts, hops, and an astringency imparted from the alcohol. The astringency isn't over powering and there's a nice grapefruit characteristic that I really like.

Light bodied, but will kick your ass. Be careful with this one!

Photo of thetomG
3.65/5  rDev +11.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a typical golden color with a bit of foamy white head.

Aroma is primarily sweet - flavor matches up but it much more intense on the sweetness. Sticky on the palate but remarkably easy drinking considering the 12% abv.

Glad I was able to try this, and one of the better pilsners I've ever had, but not necessarily something I'd seek out again., Just a bit too overly sweet IMO...

Photo of woosterbill
3.13/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 2

Waxed bomber into a mini-nonic. Shared at a tasting.

A: Clear, deep gold body with a thin white head. Decent retention and some light lace. Quite attractive for its massive strength.

S: Interesting. Hoppy at first in a (very) vaguely pilsnery way, with a huge - huge - dose of solventy alcohol. Super, super boozy.

T: Starts sweet and malty, then the booze takes over with huge astringency. Not horrible flavors here, but the booze really takes over.

M: To be fair, this one has a nice medium body with a solid amount of soft carbonation. Excellent, especially in such a big beer.

D: Pretty disappointing here. Even for a 12% beer, this one is just too boozy.

Notes: Thanks, Tony, for sharing this one. It wasn't quite the train wreck you thought it was going to be, but it definitely deserves its middling review average. They just went completely overboard making this one big, and forgot that there's more to brewing an imperial style than just upping the ABV into the stratosphere. The point of imperials is to provide more intense flavors, not just the biggest kick of alcohol. This is basically craft malt liquor.

Cheers!

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2.57/5  rDev -21.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

In cracking this waxed bottle, I am surprised to see a spray of beer come forward like a whale's blowhole upon surfacing. No real volume of beer was lost, it was but a small mist.

This brew is dark golden with an almost brownish hue, like apple cider. The head was less than 2 fingers before it settled to a very thin cap of white bubbles-- some big and fluffy-- some small and tight. The lacing, however, is clinging to the side of my pint glass with great vengeance and furious anger.

The taste is hugely sweet. Just a slight hint of bitterness on the finish, but then it reverts to this saccharine sugar sweetness. It isn't quite cloying, but it is certainly on a train bound for that destination. Perhaps it's just too early into my glass to tell for sure. The claim is that 5 different hops were used-- but only 3 malts. I think only 3 malts were used, but in a much larger, inordinate proportion to the hops. This is all malt sweetness. Even the punch of the lagering yeast (lagered for 7 weeks!!) is lost in the sticky syrupy sweetness. The mouthfeel is pretty good, and at least for me, it is the only way to know the hops were really used. The oiliness does coat my teeth, but it leaves a lingering candied sugar flavor behind with it.

As for dinkability-- I'm not even through with my first glass and I'm getting a stomach ache. There is a big part of me that doesn't want to finish this bomber--- and that's a real shame. The malts remind me of a barleywine-- sweet caramel and a slight toffee flavor blend with the pilsener malt and possibly some Vienna malt to just stick the sweetness right in your face and hold it there.

As this warms I get some actual graininess and the mouthfeel begins to feel slightly chalky. The nose has never really come around. It started very weak, and has remained as such. I much prefer the Krampus by Southern Tier.

Overall-- this is average at best-- subpar in several categories by my count. This offering is not really typical of the brewery though, and I'll continue to drink their 1492 IPA and my wife will continue to drink their plethora of wheat beers (I think 4 different ones on tap when we were up there).

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2.62/5  rDev -20.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Had this on tap at the pre DLD party. From notes on 4/23/10

A - hazy golden with a short lived white head. Left a thin ring of bubbles. Not very pilsnerish by any means. 2.5

S - Lots of cereal graininess (think Kix or Corn Flakes), honey, and decent citrus and bitterness from the hops. Huge whiff of booze too. 3.0

T - Way too sweet, way too hot, none of the earthy, pils-like hoppiness and light malt that I'm looking for in a pilsner/imperial pilsner. 2.0

M - Moderate, touch of cloyingness, decent carbonation. Pretty smooth but hot finish. 3.5

D - Alright I suppose. Not a fan. 3.0

Photo of nrbw23
2.48/5  rDev -24.4%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

A- Pours a slightly hazy yellow color with a thin white head. Head has little retention and leaves behind some lacing.

S- Smells of grains, malts, a bit of dirty hops and quite a bit of alcohol here.

T- Quite a bit of an alcohol burn here on this one that dominants most of the flavor. Behind this there are a bit of bready malts and citrus hops. Seems like there is no balance to this one at all.

M- Medium in body and carbonation.

D- Way too hot for me and nothing seemed to go together. I finished this one but didn't really enjoy this one.

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.357 Imperial Pilsner from Flossmoor Station Restaurant & Brewery
77 out of 100 based on 51 ratings.