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Not The Stoic - Deschutes Brewery

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Not The StoicNot The Stoic

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86 Reviews
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Reviews: 86
Hads: 657
Avg: 4.11
pDev: 25.3%
Wants: 58
Gots: 276 | FT: 32
Brewed by:
Deschutes Brewery visit their website
Oregon, United States

Style | ABV
Quadrupel (Quad) |  12.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: JohnGalt1 on 04-29-2014

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

Brewed with pomegranate & molasses, 15% aged in oak wine barrels, 15% aged in oak rye barrels.
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Reviews by AgentMunky:
Photo of AgentMunky
3.71/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 4

Poured from a 22 ounce bottle into a snifter. Best after 22 April 2015. I'm a little early, but...

A: Ruby-clear with no head.

S: Sweet, sweet cherries. Booze-soaked dark fruits. I realize this sounds excellent, but it's actually kind of cloying.

T: I don't know know they thought this was an improvement. I love the old Stoic (had it multiple times) but this is cough-syrup sweet...The redeeming qualities are a certain faux-seriousness and distinct spiciness/

M: Not my cuppa tea. Too syrupy.

O: A good beer, but not worthy of the Deschutes Reserve family.

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More User Reviews:
Photo of russpowell
4/5  rDev -2.7%

Pours a slightly effervescent orange tinged scarlet with a sliver of tan head. Says effervescent. Not much head retention & or lacing , stays bright (2.75)

S: Plums, raisins, black currants & booze, leafy hops (3.5)

T: Juicy fruit, plums, dryness, raisins & booze, some apple skins up front. Raisins, plums, dryness, faint juicy fruit & figs as this warms. Finishes with some cidery acidic notes, pears, white grapes, oakyness, & leafy hops, figgyness (4.25)

MF: Medium bodied, slight over carbonated, a touch boozey, a little slick, some acidic notes biting at the enamel on my teeth, I like it! ( 4.0)

Goes down fairly easy, but interesting. This beer's best days are ahead of it, but can't find much fault with the taste right now (4.0)

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Photo of cindyjeffsmith
4.31/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

look: guess i'm in the minority but i find this gorgeous. Clear copper with a modest tan head.
smell: Yeasty, dark fruits (i guess pomegranate, i'm just not familiar enough to single that out). Molasses too though not aggressive at all. A rich though not overstated nose. Barrel treatment has imparted a deep and wonderful nose without being overt.
taste: not quite up to the nose but doesn't disappoint. Rich yet subdued with all the flavors of the nose.

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Photo of LambicPentameter
4.21/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Enjoyed out of a 22 oz brown bomber with black wax covering the crown and about half of the neck. A "best after" date of 4/22/15 is marked on the side of the label, but we'll see how it is fresh before deciding if it's worth buying a second bottle to have it at "optimal" age. Poured into a large snifter.

Appearance - Pours a dark burgundy brown with deep garnet highlights when held up to the light. After it's been drank down enough to allow light to pass through easily, it takes on an overall ruby characteristic. Atop the body sits a finger of effervescent, active brown sugar colored foam which recedes after a couple minutes, leaving sparse islands of bubbles across an otherwise clear surface and a ringlet around the edges of the glass. Lacing is sparse and doesn't last.

Smell - Some of the typical dark fruit notes that are common in quads are present here--mostly plum with some raisin--but there is also a brighter, more overtly fruity aspect from the pomegranate molasses that brings to mind red fruits and berries, which is only enhnaced by the faint vinous element from the partial wine barrel aging. The rye barrels also make an appearance, with brown sugar and vanilla providing some subtle undertones to the overall aroma.

Taste - As with the smell, there is a heavy presence of fruit, partially from the molasses, and partially from the esters in the yeast. And yes, the wine must characteristics come through, reminiscent of merlot grapes. On the finish is a pleasant sweetness with vanilla, light oak and a pinch of spiciness from the rye barrels, as well as some noticeable alcohol heat.

Mouthfeel - Medium-bodied with low carbonation and a sweet finish with lingering alcohol burn, but not strong.

Overall, a very tasty beer that was good enough for me to buy a second bottle to see how it tastes at its "best". It's been a long time since I had the original Stoic, but if my memory is correct, I think I prefer this one a little better. Of course, my palate has likely changed a great deal since then anyway, so it's probably an irrelevant distinction. Ultimately, this is a well done beer, as long as you aren't expecting a "traditional" quad.

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Photo of kojevergas
3.51/5  rDev -14.6%

BOTTLE: 1 pint 6 fl oz brown glass bottle with black wax-ed over unbranded black pry-off pressure cap and classy understated label art served chilled & side-poured into a snifter at low altitude in Austin, TX. Expectations are sky high. Allowed to warm during consumption. "Best after 04/2215." 12.1% ABV.

No bubble show forms as it's poured.

HEAD: One finger wide. Pale khaki-white colour. Decent thickness and creaminess. Below average (~1 minute) retention. Leaves no lacing as it quickly recedes. Overall, this head is unimpressive. Not the long-lasting yet delicate and fragile head of the best beers in the style.

BODY: A liqueur-esque amber-brown with garnet and orange hues. Semitransparent. Translucent. It has an understated glow when backlit, but I wouldn't call it vibrant. No yeast particulate or hop sediment is visible within.

I can't say the appearance has me salivating, but there're no egregious flaws - it's just underwhelming.

AROMA: Pomegranate seeds, rose grapes, supple grapeskin, sherry wine, deep amber malts, wood sugars, neutral white oak, a kiss of spicy rye, some toffee, and marvelous fruity notes on the back end - plump grapes, plum, blackberry, fig, date, and prune.

Nicely sweet.

I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of oaky toastiness. I'd also like more of a Belgian character, ideally via some biscuity yeast. Hop presence is (aptly) minimal.

As it warms, I pick up on some red apple/apple skin, raisin, apple cidre, and pear.

Unfortunately, I don't detect any whiskey notes.

Overall, it's a pleasant aroma of moderate strength and suggests a very intricately built quad with a fruit emphasis. The pomegranate is particular is unique and appealing. The barrel notes seem to fit the base, playing on its dominant fruitiness. I'm really looking forward to the first sip.

TASTE: The lightly syrupy fruit core is the first thing I notice, largely because it dominates the flavour profile - especially early in the second act. The spiciness of the rye hits in the late second act, joined by a surge of the white oak (though sadly, the oak isn't particularly refined or toasty). Maybe there's a bit of spicy whiskey in there too...

The fruits are lovely; a bit like marmalade. Pomegranate is unique here, lending this brew a deep but bright red fruit sweetness which is well complemented by the darker plum, fig, and date notes. The prune in the aroma is largely absent here, and I'm not finding much raisin. Grape does make an appearance, as does red wine; I'm not a wine guy but I'd guess it's sherry. It's not so sweet as to be a dessert wine like port, and the flavour profile itself - while sweet - is never cloying or dessert-wine redolent.

Some acidity is certainly noticeable - partly from the pomegranate but also from some cidery and apple skin notes. It's just a biteen tart, which works well for it. Ale esters are abundant.

Overall, I find the supple fruit emphasis effective within this build, but ultimately this flavour profile isn't on par with that of the best quads out there. The flavours are assertive rather than fragile and/or delicate, and while the unique fruit makes this a brew I'm really enjoying, the balance isn't impeccable; more of a guiding oak presence would help lend this still more cohesion. It delivers the depth and complexity promised by the label, and it's certainly an intricately constructed brew. I quite like it.

Above average intensity and duration of flavour.

As it warms, some rum-soaked fruit creeps in, and out comes some raisiny notes, as well as a kiss of toffee, some clove, and a bit of pepper. Maybe brandy?

Boy is this a rich flavour profile.

TEXTURE: I didn't anticipate the acidity and subtle tartness of this beer. It's smooth and wet, but unrefreshing. It's just too full-bodied and thick to be as effortlessly drinkable as the best Trappist or abbey quads. Has a heavy, filling presence on the palate. It's also slightly syrupy. Shockingly, the 12.10% ABV isn't too noticeable, though it does lend some pleasing warmth.

Not oily, gushed, hot, boozy, astringent, harsh, rough, or scratchy.

Overall, this texture complements the taste well, but lacks the fragility and delicacy needed to elevate this beer to world-class level.

OVERALL: She's not quite a sipper, but make no mistake - she takes a while to work through. I admit I prefer the original The Stoic, but this is nevertheless a special quad with some really unique pomegranate notes. I'd like to see Deschutes hone that fruity character in future Belgian style brews. As much as I like this, I do think the $16.00 pricetag is a bit steep, though I'd still liken the beer to a fine wine, and could see this developing incredibly with age. I intend to revisit this when it's older to see how it's come along. I'll enjoyable greedily finishing the bottle alone, but I do have to say I hoped for better given the quality of the original The Stoic. That said, I'd absolutely recommend every beer enthusiast give this one a go.

Low B

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Photo of BEERchitect
4.27/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Let's be clear: The Stoic isn't all that great. It's ok, but complaints about various shelf-life issues causes the beer to resonate with craft beer consumers with varying degrees of popularity and notoriety. But the Deschutes brewers know that the recipe could be done with better justice. So to be clear, this is Not The Stoic.

Whatever it is, is a marvelously dark garnet beer with a deep and ominous gaze. As its creamy froth settles, mouth-whetting aromas of port wine, sherry, brandy and deep toffee sweetness completely mesmerize the soul. Grape and prune give soothing earthen sweetness and allow the early taste to meld seamlessly with its savory aroma.

Its dense and bready-sweet middle palate unfolds with molasses, brown sugar and spice cake. Cobbled fruit flavors lead with grape, but follow with blackberry, raisin, date, fig, plum and tangy pomegranate. Its barrel contributions are sweet, husken, nutty and slathered with those booze-soaked oak, as well as premiere oxidized succulence- taking on port and sherry proportions.

Spicy, warm and continuing savory flavors seep deep into the tastebuds and are reluctant to release, saturating the late taste with dessert like effects that render the ale as a sipping after dinner delight. Its full upstart finishes malty-sweet with balancing vinous and whisky spice that play onward, well into the next sip.

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Photo of BladesOfBarley
4.39/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.75

So, me and my friend were talking about beer the other day. And were discussing last summers Black Butte XXVI, and whether or not the flavor changed at all just half way through the aging process. And we found it wasn't all too different from when it was released. Which got me thinking; I wonder how Not the Stoic is fairing... which, brings us to me, sitting here, drinking it to some Miles Davis.

After tearing off the wax seal and cracking open this bad boy, I poured it a Chimay glass. Great pour, slow and smooth. Shining, a deep red amber, a true treat to the eyes. Only a little head, a slightly brown opaque, decent amount of carbonation. Aromas of dark fruits, caramel, brown sugar and a grace note of booze fill the nostrils, rich and full, perfect for an ice cold night like this one, or in the summer as a good after noon sipper.

As if the appearance and aroma weren't good enough, the flavors really hit the ball out of the pork on this one. Starts of with sweet, dark fruit and brown sugar, followed quickly with subtle wine, oak and caramel. After warming up a bit, the dark fruit flavors and alcohol become more upfront, which in turn really ups the flavor up another notch, hitting your taste buds with a gentle fist.

My only will gripe, is that I, a foolish mortal, decided to open it only half way through the 'drink after' date. Yes, it's a delicious beer, and I would recommend it to any curious beerhead or Belgian fanatic. A great riff on the style, and a great release by Deschutes, whom I salute on making stellar beers. I'd recommend on sitting on this for a whole year or even more, because although it's great now, in a year or more it will be super excellent.

Cheers, you filthy maniacs!

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Photo of jdense
4/5  rDev -2.7%

The barrel aging and blending adds a bit of complexity. Mouthfeel is a bit thin, and not picking up the pronounced raisin aroma and taste I expect for the style. The use of Rye barrels added a bit of spiciness which was nice. Could definitely use some cellaring.

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Photo of t2grogan
4.5/5  rDev +9.5%

Photo of Ben7773
3.75/5  rDev -8.8%

Photo of sabitu
4.5/5  rDev +9.5%

Photo of freshflesh
4.5/5  rDev +9.5%

Photo of SD-Alefan
4/5  rDev -2.7%

Photo of DaftPatrick
4.25/5  rDev +3.4%

Photo of VonSubmarine
5/5  rDev +21.7%

Photo of Chitex78
3.75/5  rDev -8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Photo of mctizzz
3.75/5  rDev -8.8%

Photo of aquazr1
3.94/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of Meyers1023
4/5  rDev -2.7%

Photo of wattoclone
4.53/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

Deep garnet red, almost black from the side. Aroma is fruity with apples, rum, raisins,
pear and caramel. Taste is outstanding, rivaling the Belgian quadsrupels. It definitely has persistent notes of red grapes from the wine barrels it was aged in to add to the richness. Although not as thick ar intense as a typical Trappist quad like Abt 12, I actually prefer this version of the style. The complex fruit and sweetness tantalize the palate instead of overpowering it. If it wasn't such a high ABV, I could easily drink a few of these.

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Photo of IrishGermanAmerican
4.25/5  rDev +3.4%

Photo of Franziskaner
3.98/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Dark brown in color with little penetration to light. There's a fingernail of beige around the rim and the majority of the top. I smell whiskey, oak, alcohol, pinot noir, and pomegranate in that order. I taste whiskey, alcohol, oak, pinot noir, and pomegranate. It looks like the nose and the flavors are totally in line. The mouth is slightly stickier than The Stoic, with a bit of warmth from the alcohol. This is very dry.

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Photo of pat61
4.53/5  rDev +10.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

I am drinking this 10 months before its best after date. A: Chestnut with a slight haze that clears up as the beer warms. 1” quickly dissipating foam collar clings to the side of the glass leaving sheets of lace. Has legs. S: Big fruity molassey nose, some pomegranate and some dark dried fruit with a suspicion of smoke and rye. T: Caramel and vanilla on the palate tending towards brown sugar, some prune, date, fig, not quite fruit cake. M: Chewy body warming, fine soft carbonation. O: Almost fruit cake in a glass. This should get more interesting as sherry notes develop as it ages.

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Photo of bpfrush
4.25/5  rDev +3.4%

Photo of MattyG85
4.45/5  rDev +8.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 22 oz. bottle into a St. Bernardus goblet glass. Label says best after 04/22/15.

Appearance: Pours a dark and hazy brownish amber with a moderate amount of bubbles. Small finger of off white head that quickly fades away. Leaves a decent amount of lacing.

Smell: A sweet, fruity, and fairly boozy Quad style aroma with big hints of dark fruit and whiskey. Upfront barrel presence with nicely boozy hints of rye whiskey, oak, wood, and wine like hints of cherries. Belgian yeast with hints of pepper and clove spicing. Toasted malts with hints of biscuit, caramel, toffee, and toast. Huge scent of dark fruit with hints of raisin, prune, fig, dates, and grapes. Also some fruit hints of banana, apple, and pear. Sweet hints of molasses. A very good aroma.

Taste: Like the aroma, a fruity, sweet, and boozy twist on a Belgian Quad with big notes of dark fruit and whiskey. Big barrel presence with upfront notes of rye whiskey, oak, wood, and somewhat tart wine notes of cherries. Belgian yeast with some spice notes of clove and pepper. Sweet notes of molasses and candied sugar. Toasted malt with notes of caramel, toffee, biscuit, and toasted bread. Dried fruit notes of bananas, apple, and pear. Big dark fruit presence with notes of prune, raisin, grape, fig, and dates. Nicely fruity and boozy with a slight acidic edge. A very good taste.

Mouthfeel: Full bodied with a medium to high level of carbonation. Fairly chewy and slick. Sweet but not overly cloying. Some alcohol is felt as expected but its not overly hot.

Overall: A really good twist on the Belgian Quad style. The rye whiskey and wine barrels add a nice kick to a very good dark fruit rich base.

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Not The Stoic from Deschutes Brewery
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