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Mudpuppy Porter - Central Waters Brewing Co.

Mudpuppy PorterMudpuppy Porter

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BA SCORE
87
very good

502 Ratings
THE BROS
91
outstanding

(view ratings)
Ratings: 502
Reviews: 208
rAvg: 3.87
pDev: 11.89%


Brewed by:
Central Waters Brewing Co. visit their website
Wisconsin, United States

Style | ABV
American Porter |  5.50% ABV

Availability: Year-round

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: BeerAdvocate on 03-22-2002)
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cdkrenz

Wisconsin

4.15/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A - The brew poured right from the tap at the CW Tap Room shows up thick and frothy with great draping.

S - Long roasty dark malt.

T - Smooth transitions between hops and chocolate released among roated malt.

M - This being served on nitro makes for a great experience in the feel. There texture is thick, smooth and soft all the while taking nothing away from the flavors.

~ If you have a chnce to try CW Porter on nitro, do it. I was a bit of an anit-nitro guy until I started drinking the Porter on nitro. This is a great compliment to a strong brew.

The below information is my original review, which I wrote back in 2007 based on a sampling of this beer on tap.

$3.00/Pint
Guu's On Main
Stevens Point, Wisconsin

Appearance - The beer pours very well; thick, deep brown, and tempting. The head is an eggshell white that slowly clears to leave creamy waves inviting sip after sip.

Smell - Malty aroma with suble hoppyness creating a great ballance. Few scents compare to that which accompanies this pint.

Taste - There is a bit of hop and then the malt soothes it away with a tinge of chocolate overtone only to yet again be coherst into another taste of bitter return. The taste of this beer is unlike any other I've enjoyed. The ballance and experience in each sip is unmatches by any other porter.

Mouthfeel - It's very difficult to find anything in this beer for improvement. If I had to find one it would be it would be in this category. While the thickness in the pour is very attractive the beer is just a bit thick for my liking. However, as a porter it fits the mold very well.

~ This beer was my favorite beer throughout college. After I graduated, other beers have come and gone but the Central Waters - Mudpuppy Porter still tops the list. Even as the brewery itself moved from its original home in Junction City to it new home less than 30 miles away in Amherst the beer has maintained its exceptional quality. You'll never hear me decline the offer of this fine porter.

Serving type: nitro-tap

03-01-2010 02:21:47 | More by cdkrenz
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KFBR392

Illinois

3.81/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 3.75

Appearance: Pours with about a finger of tan head. Very light active carbonation in glass while drinking. Dark brown on the edges where some light shines through.

Smell: Smooth aromas of milk chocolate, oats, and caramel greet the drinker first. Some mild roasted malt warms up on the body. Aromas of cacao nibs continue to ride throughout. More sweetness overall then any heavier malt tones.

Taste: Roasted malt and medium to heavy coffee tones hit the palate first. Creamier flavors of vanilla, milk chocolate, and caramel balance out the beginning of the beer. The roasted malt pops up again on the back end. The finish has some dryness with a pleasant amount of sweetness.

Mouthfeel: Nice transitions of dry to sweet. Pretty heavy on the palate. Carbonation is low which makes this one go down easy.

Overall: Good amount of complexity with plenty of traditional porter malt tones. I would not put it with the Edmund Fitzgerald's or Founder's Porter but is definitely a good one.

Serving type: bottle

02-05-2014 04:07:41 | More by KFBR392
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BeerFMAndy

Wisconsin

4.33/5  rDev +11.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

12 oz bottle poured into an Imperial pint.
5.5% ABV

A - Clarity shines through this dark brown beer but once it's resting in the glass beneath it's plump tan head, it's almost black looking. The nicely retained head drapes layers of light lacing on the glass for added appearance points!

S - Dark roasted malts offer little burnt astringency but focus on smooth milk chocolate and with a touch of chocolate-covered coffee bean and raisin in the background. Mudpuppy smells straightforward and delicious!

T - Milk chocolate and mocha transition from aroma to flavor but unlike the aroma suggests, the beer has a some bitter roasted malt astringency that evens it's perception nicely as this porter trails off with just a slight hint of earthy hoppiness.

M - Mudpuppy is a medium bodied porter that drinks nicely due to it's balance of malt sweetness and roasted bitterness that leaves the tongue dry and ready for another gulp.

O - I think it's a safe assumption that Central Waters is most widely known for their barrel program which, for the most part features stouts. It should come as no surprise then that their Mudpuppy Porter, a stout's younger brother, should be just as crafted in regards to dark malts and, sure enough, it is! Mudpuppy Porter is a full-flavored beer that keeps it sessionable; low ABV, and a smooth, easy drinking body. A win-win all around!

Serving type: bottle

01-21-2014 23:35:26 | More by BeerFMAndy
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jwc215

Wisconsin

4.33/5  rDev +11.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours black with a creamy tan head. Thin lines of lacing stick.

The smell is of chocolate, roasted espresso and a hint of anise.

The taste is of chocolate, roasted espresso, anise and an earthy undertone. Sweet and roasty, there is a balancing bitter touch in the finish.

It is creamy and smooth.

A well-made, robust, porter. Delicious and well-balanced! Very enjoyable!

Serving type: bottle

01-14-2014 20:19:31 | More by jwc215
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Fcolle2

Illinois

3.79/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Pours dark brown in color with trace amount of light making it through. Head is about 1 finger, light tan in color and retains nicely.

Smell is great lots of roasted malt notes along with rich coffee and light chocolate aromas. Rich malt dominates the midsection with mild toffee aromas. Finish has light earthy hop aromas.

Taste is pretty good. Some toffee malt flavors forward before a big charcoal flavor come that dominates the majority of the brew. Some more mild hearths hops finish with a very mild bitterness.

Mouthfeel is good. Moderate to mild carbonation and a medium body make this and alround medium feeling beer. Good for cold rainy nights.

Serving type: bottle

12-21-2013 01:46:42 | More by Fcolle2
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Stevedore

Wisconsin

3.14/5  rDev -18.9%
look: 4 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12oz bottle- 26813 Julian date, so September 25, 2013 bottling date, so about 2 1/2 months old, not out of ordinary for a porter. Poured into a wine glass today, 12/10/2013 as part of my endeavor to continue exploring local shelf porter options.

Pours a very nice dark brown body, quite opaque and dark, with a fluffy thick tan head that retains quite well, leaving tons of lacing all over the glass. Looks very much the part of a porter, but with a very nice and pleasing head.

Smells... unpleasantly metallic. Its just a one note sharp metallic nose, with nothing else going on. Its not very pleasant at all. Even when it warms up, the nose just isn't all that pleasant.

Doesn't taste anything like the nose. Pleasantly roasty, with a bit of coffee flavours and some roasty earthy bitterness on the back end. Pretty decent flavour profile, not too complex, but not super intense either. Drinkable, not phenomenal.

Thinner body as expected of a Central Waters brew, good carbonation, sessionable at its 5.5% ABV which hides away. Earthy mild bitter aftertaste. Not difficult to drink at all.

Below average porter. It smells undrinkable, though it ends up being drinkable with a decent flavour profile. I enjoy Central Waters brews, especially their Brewer's Reserve series, but man, that smell is just borderline drain-pour.

Serving type: bottle

12-11-2013 04:20:55 | More by Stevedore
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beerthulhu

New Jersey

3.28/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.25

A: Dark garnet on the pour produces a thin, scant, walnut toned head. Small micro-bran colored floaties line the bottom portion of the vessel. Small whispy eyelash lacing. Head was not as big or rocky as label claims into a clean and well kept class.

S: Sweet chocolate and coffee roast with some fruity notes of semi-dry cherries.

T: Chalky coffee roast flavor, dry, lightly bitter with wet coffee grains. Dry creamer chalkiness, bitter bakers chocolate, dry walnutes finishes chalky.

M: Body feels pretty big per style, borders on a stout, chewy, bittering dry and chalky on the tongue.

O: Overall seems to have a noticeable chalky/dry creamer presence while the chocolate malt takes a back seat. Chalkiness takes something away, appearing more off flavor, drinkability is low, not reaching for seconds here. Id take a pass.

Serving type: bottle

11-19-2013 01:17:40 | More by beerthulhu
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TheSSG

Illinois

3.74/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a huge, dense, tan head that has impressive persistence. Acidic coffee with floral hops in the nose. Deep burnt umber is effectively black. Starts acidic with big notes of toasted malt and coffee. There's a nice medium bitterness. Finish is smooth, coffee/roasted malt with a touch of acidity.

This is really nice. A bit thin, but quite nice. If you like coffee, then this is for you!

Serving type: bottle

11-06-2013 01:59:05 | More by TheSSG
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Jparker37

Wisconsin

3.45/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle poured into a pint glass.

A - Great clarity to this dark brown yet translucent beer. Head is just barely off-white and holds a tiny cap of foam. Some spotty lacing.

S - Smooth chocolate malt, a depth of honey-like sweetness. Quite aromatic and fresh.

T - Dark malt is smooth and balanced out with a distinguished earthy/piney hop flavor. No sweetness to speak of. Hop are the dominant flavor component and lend considerable bitterness on the backend and in the aftertaste, also a little bit burnt malt.

M - Medium body, medium-light carbonation, semi-dry.

O - Great aroma and look. Flavor swung to far towards hoppy for the style. I could use a touch of sweetness and more dimension of malt. Feel was close. This is the only Central Waters beer I would pass up.

Judgement - Pass on it. Decent brew but not worth going out of your way for.

Serving type: bottle

10-22-2013 00:33:59 | More by Jparker37
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mfnmbvp

Illinois

3.88/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle, with the label notched at bottled in May 2013. A beer from Central Waters that I haven't tried before. Expectations are decently high.

Poured into a clear balloon snifter glass.

A - Pours about a half finger of tan lace that thins to a ring quickly. Pours a dark cola colored body. Dark in the glass, but no opaque. Ruby / mahogany colored body when held to the light.

S - Smell kicks it up a few notches. Some coffee, malt roast, pure vanilla extract, mild chocolate, and maybe a slight hint of mineral presence & dirty earthy hops.

T - Taste is of bitter coffee bean roast, malts, hint of earthy hop bitterness, some dark fruits like raisin and fig, some mineral presence, and some unsweetened chocolate.

M - Feel is of a nice sticky bitter coffee / malt roast. A fitting end.

Overall, I thought it was a good beer. Nothing extra special or complex, but Central Waters knows how to do it right. Easy-drinking 5.50% abv, good carbonation, and good flavor. Worth a try.

Central Waters Mudpuppy Porter ---4/5.

Serving type: bottle

09-27-2013 04:17:52 | More by mfnmbvp
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MaximalC

Illinois

3.61/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours dark brown in color with mahogany highlights and a modest khaki head that soon settles into a swath of patchy frogspawn. Grains of sediment are readily apparent as they bob among the rising bubbles of carbonation, which I don't think I've ever seen in a porter before. There's a load of dark chocolate in the nose along with a hint of caramel and little else, which is fine by me.

As for the taste, roasted chocolate malt sneaks in at first blush before a deluge of resinous, citric hops override it. The bottle mentions the relatively high hopping, but there was barely a rumor of it in the nose, so it's a little surprising nonetheless. Not sure that I've tasted so much pine in a porter before, with the possible exception of Stone. The high level of hopping almost works, but I'm afraid it asserts itself a little too mightily, as the malt flavors never get a chance to shine. The mouthfeel is smooth and moderate--on par for a porter. Noticeable stickiness lingers on the lips after sipping.

If they dialed down the hops a few notches, I could see this being a quite a tasty porter. As is, I'm afraid the balance is too skewed toward the bitter end, which might work with a lighter style, but not with a porter (at least not for me).

Serving type: bottle

05-24-2013 00:41:39 | More by MaximalC
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Rob107

Wisconsin

3.55/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.75

A: nice dark color and one finger of thick creamy head, very nice appearance

S: not picking up any chocolate or coffee others had mentioned, just a nice roasted malt smell

T: very nice roasted malt taste, but not very complex; perhaps I have an older bottle since I can't detect hops of any significance as mentioned on the bottle; still pleasant and clean tasting

M: mouthfeel is watery, about average for a porter

O: overall I enjoyed this beer, it is a decent porter but not as good as the top contenders. it would be a great choice to complement any non spicy meal.

Serving type: bottle

03-08-2013 01:39:50 | More by Rob107
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Mavigo

Michigan

4.09/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

This was given to me as a gift, I love porters so I have high hopes for this guy. Poured in a nonic. Never heard of this brewery before.

A: Poured a deep dark brown, basically black, with a thin tan head and bits of lacing

S: Smelled of chocolate, barley, malt sugars, brown sugars, some wheat and yeast, along with a bit of hops

T: Pretty rich flavor, fairly sweet, brown and malt sugars, barley, chocolate as well, tasting a bit ore hop than I would've expected

M: Little more carbonated than I would like, but it is well balanced with the flavor, adds a bit of crispness to the rich, full bodied flavors

O: This being y first beer from Central Waters, I would say good job, it was very enjoyable and allowed me to relax a bit while I did some work. A very good porter.

Serving type: bottle

02-07-2013 01:12:20 | More by Mavigo
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wiscokid920

Maryland

4.21/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Part of a Variety Pack I made up while touring CW! 12 oz, Nov 2012, bottle poured into Snifter

A- Jet black with thick 2 finger tan head. Tons of Yeast sediment floating throughout…should be getting plenty of B Vit with this brew!

S- Toasted brown malt, chocolate, vanilla and bourbon notes with some subtley lingering hoppy spices.

T- Great coffee flavor. Dark chocolate, toasted bready/biscuit flavors. Deliciously warming on a cold Wisco winter night.

M- Medium body, creamy and smooth

O- A fantastic American Porter. A delicious Winter Beer with excellent flavor and balance.

Serving type: bottle

01-24-2013 02:42:29 | More by wiscokid920
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davey101

Connecticut

3.84/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

12 oz bottle into a DFH signature glass. Bottled on March 2012. Nearly a year old and it had some goop on the bottom of the bottle, mmm goop. Thank Wes for the extra!

A - Pours a pitch black body, a rather dark porter that shows just a hint of brown on the edges when held up to the light. One finger of off white foam with some real nice lacing and retention.

S - Bitter coffee beans and smooth milk chocolate. A touch of roasted malt and vanilla. Smells a lot like a malted milk ball. Real nice!

T - Milk chocolate, coffee and cream, and lasting roasted mats. Not as great as the nose.

M - Thin to medium bodied with ample carbonation. Pretty spot on for a porter.

O - The char gets to be a bit too dominating on the aftertaste, but this is otherwise a nice porter. Its held up very well considering its almost a year old.

Serving type: bottle

01-21-2013 02:58:53 | More by davey101
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BierStein711

Illinois

4/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle poured into pint.

Two finger dark tan head, jet black beer with red hue at the bottom of the glass.

Smells of vanilla, bourbon, oak, woods, and roasted malt.

Taste: coffee, vanilla, oak, roasted malt with a hop bite at the end

Mouthfeel: thick, creamy, and smooth

Overall, this is a fine beer! I enjoyed this, but overall I found it to be a fine example of the style. This is an excellent winter beer. Please try.

Serving type: bottle

12-25-2012 21:09:01 | More by BierStein711
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RoamingGnome

Wisconsin

4/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

From 12/7/12 Tasting Notes... Seasonal selection on tap at the local supper club. This was served slightly chilled in a pint glass.

A) Dark brown with a nice finger of dark tan head. The head had nice retention, slowly settling to a dusting, ample lacing.

S) A nice aroma of roasted malt, coffee beans, chocolate, and a pleasant sweetness that was like melting brown sugar. Not overly sweet, but worth mentioning.

T) Near the nose, with an enjoyable taste of coffee, chocolate and toffee/caramel sweetness. There's some piney hops too, which was nice, and just bitter enough.

M) Pretty creamy, medium body, moderate carbonation. Easy drinking with a nice aftertaste.

O) Had this in a bottle a while back, and I recall that I liked it, but I was really impressed with it on tap. This is a very tasty porter, and I would gladly recommend it.

Paired this with a fish fry, which was also good going down. This was not the case later that night, thanks to the stomach virus that's been going around.

Serving type: on-tap

12-13-2012 00:36:09 | More by RoamingGnome
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pmcadamis

Illinois

3.28/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Dark chocolate brown with absolutely no head save a wisp of fizz around the collar.

S - Chocolate brownies. Tootsie rolls. Very malty and sweet.

T - Double chocolate chip cookies and Tootsie rolls. A hint of hops keeps the sweetness from getting totally out of control.

M - Very sugary and thick up front, but drying up a little bit for a dusty finish that leaves you craving another sip of sweetness! Nicely done!

A good wintery desert porter. Quite drinkable. Hints at sugary "dessert beer" flavors while maintaining a nice level of sessionability.

Serving type: bottle

12-08-2012 18:05:33 | More by pmcadamis
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aleric

Colorado

3.73/5  rDev -3.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A - One thin layer of bubbles that instantly dissipated. Dark brown, almost completely black save for some dark amber on the edges.

S - Chocolate and malt. Faint hops.

T - More dry, dark chocolate with bread crust. A green finish, almost reminiscent of lettuce. The hops come into play to create a nice balance.

M - Light mouthfeel, and slightly oily. Moderate carbonation makes it interesting.

O - The bottle advertises "thick, rocky head," but this bottle failed to deliver that, even after a fairly violent pour. Maybe it was a bum batch. But once I was past that initial disappointment I enjoyed this beer quite a bit. It's hopped more than most porters, but it works... no complaints here. This beer is delicious with a good sandwich, so I'll be buying again!

Serving type: bottle

10-09-2012 15:06:49 | More by aleric
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Ryan011235

Ohio

3.93/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a Pumking glass on 8/16/12

Bottled on: June

Dark brown with highlights of deep crimson. There isn't all that much of a head and the foam that's there isn't inclined to last over time. Dense beer; suspended sediment. Very little lace.

A lush, smooth chocolate aroma is accented by coffee beans and roasted dark chocolate. Piney hop notes are interwoven and a touch of green to an otherwise roasty nose. While the underlying roasty chocolate flavor and medium-full body are smooth, pine hops and moderate carbonation add a layer of pleasant agitation and residual bitterness. It's quite simple, but plenty tasty.

I reckon this may be too hoppy a porter for some folks, but it works just fine for me. I'd enjoy this from time to time if I were geographically able. Recommended if you like hoppy porters. Wish I had more of this.

Serving type: bottle

09-05-2012 04:42:45 | More by Ryan011235
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WastingFreetime

Wisconsin

3.28/5  rDev -15.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Reviewed from tasting notes.

Pours out the expected dark brown color, with a single finger of tan head for about a minute, no real lacing. Smells of dark chocolate, a little splash of coffee, and that's about it. I can't really find the expected scent of toasted or roasted malt. Tastes of the roasted malt I was expecting to find in the nose. Further investigation reveals a bit of sweet malt and earthen hopping in the flavor once the beer has warmed up for a bit, and a medium body and carbonation level. Honestly, this is a fairly average porter, it doesn't do much to stand out from the crown IMHO.

Serving type: bottle

08-25-2012 00:48:48 | More by WastingFreetime
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Beerandraiderfan

Nevada

3.75/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Substantial dark brown pour, cream, beige-ish head on it, 3/4" in depth. A pretty good looking beer. Aroma, pretty tame, nothing off, nothing robust and jumping out either, mild notes of roasted malts, two row and chocolate, nothing surprising here, just standard.

Taste, good easy drinking porter, again, good roasting, run of the mill for a good porter, no alcohol noticeable, above average bitterness. Packs a lot of caramel and toffee into the beer. The chocolate mouthfeel is the kind with no sweetness. Dry. Pretty enjoyable around a campfire when you're just drinking the sessionable stuff. Would drink again, a good example of regular 6 pack porter stuff when you're not looking for barrel aged geekery or whatnot.

Serving type: bottle

07-20-2012 23:45:35 | More by Beerandraiderfan
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tone77

Pennsylvania

3.68/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a very dark brown color with a 1/2 inch head. Smell is of chocolate, some coffee notes. Taste is coffee up front, then the chocolate kicking in at the finish. Feels full bodied in the mouth and overall a good beer, one that I probably would have enjoyed more in the winter.

Serving type: bottle

07-20-2012 21:55:28 | More by tone77
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rodkin

Missouri

3.68/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark ruby with a 1.5 finger light tan head, which reduces to a small foam covering.

Smell is roasted malts. Some coffee, some chocolate. Nice, but nothing special.

Taste is like the smell, but a bit more flavorful. Maybe a tiny hit of dark fruit sweetness. It's pretty nice.

Mouthfeel is a little thin, and a little undercarbonated. Pretty average.

A decent porter. Pretty easy drinking, definitely sessionable, but nothing to write home about.

Serving type: bottle

06-26-2012 03:14:55 | More by rodkin
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mjpolzin

Wisconsin

3.88/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Central Waters is my favorite brewery but I had never had their porter before. I found it to be pretty good; nothing great but nothing bad. It was very easy drinking with a nice roasted coffee malty taste. For me to rank a beer really high it has to knock my socks off with the taste or alcohol. This beer didn't do either but it is a very drinkable dark beer if you were looking to knock back a few of them in a row.

Serving type: bottle

06-08-2012 00:32:54 | More by mjpolzin
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Mudpuppy Porter from Central Waters Brewing Co.
87 out of 100 based on 502 ratings.