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Central Waters / Local Option De Kleine Dood - Central Waters Brewing Co.

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89
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92 Reviews
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Reviews: 92
Hads: 621
Avg: 3.99
pDev: 29.82%
Wants: 57
Gots: 150 | FT: 11
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Central Waters Brewing Co.
Wisconsin, United States | website

Style | ABV
Weizenbock | 9.05% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: MasterSki on 05-25-2012

De Kleine Dood is a Belgian inspired Weissenbock brewed as a collaboration between The Local Option and Central Waters Brewery in Amherst, Wisconsin. Originally released in summer 2012, De Kleine Dood will be available in spring 2013 on draft and in large format bottles.

When Central Waters decided to open its brew house for its first collaboration beer, Chicago’s Local Option was the obvious partner in crime. The resulting brainchild, De Kleine Dood - a Belgian inspired Weissenbock – maintains the traditional characteristics of its Bavarian forbearer, with the added complexity of Belgian ale yeast. De Kleine Dood is dark amber in color; maintains a rich, full-bodied mouth-feel augmented by caramel; mild and dark fruit; and vanilla and bourbon aromas as a result of six months of aging on Heaven Hill Barrels.. Rounded out by an unostentatious bourbon driven aroma from brief bourbon barrel aging, De Kleine Dood is a complex ale, a marriage of distinctive styles, and an orgasmic experience for the taste buds that revel in its glory.
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Photo of seedyone
4.24/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

On tap at Rattle n Hum, NYC. A big surprise. Ok, so the 9% should have been give away as this is a serious contender in the Big Boy club. Big booze, big taste, big everything. Don't hesitate.

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Photo of whataschlitz
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

A: Pours deep burgundy/brown. Not fully opaque. Light brown head faded fairly quickly.

S: Smells like barrel and toffee. Strong malt.

T: Malty. Bourbon hits the palate first, then faint coffee, and rounds out with malt and toffee.

M: Silky smooth. Very nice in that regard. Very drinkable even with the higher alcohol.

O: A tasty aged beer that benefits from the added flavor of the barrel. Delicious maltiness.

Notes: If you're in WI, check out your local Costco for bombers of this delicious beer.

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Photo of jwc215
4.22/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz. bottle - Poured into an Aventinus weizenbock glass:

Pours brown a tan head that thins. Trailing lace.

The smell is of caramel/toffee, banana/clove, bourbon, some warming alcohol.

The taste is of caramel/toffee, bourbon/wood, alcohol. Banana/clove weave in and out. Sweet. (Just good enough to bump up the score a bit).

It is smooth despite noticeable alcohol.

A unique brew. Bourbon strong but not overwhelming Alcohol shows, but not raw.

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Photo of Pahn
4.77/5  rDev +19.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

On tap at Upright Brew House in Manhattan.

Appearance: Offwhite head with good retention. If this is a weizenbock, its more Aventinus than Vitus.

Smell: Smells exactly like Central Waters Bourbon Barrel Scotch Ale; caramely oak. This is always a "count me in" experience for me.

Taste: Wow, it's like Bourbon County soaked banana bread! Genius! Just genius. Really well bourbon barrel aged moist banana bread with a little raisin thrown in as a highlight and a great mouthfeel. Come the hell on. How am I going to not order more of this?

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied and creamy, low side of moderate carbonation with a nice dry finish that peps up the experience and reminds you that this is a "weizenbock" not a barleywine.

Overall: Fucking bourbon barrel aged banana bread. 5.0.

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Photo of kojevergas
3.35/5  rDev -16%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

On-draught at Rattle N Hum in NYC:

The bourbon presence is amazing, emphasizing vanilla but not overwhelming the base. Dark fruit and Caramel lend this fine ale a gooey warm presence on the palate.

Full bodied and heavy on the palate. Good carbonation.

Though it lacks the style's signature yeast esters (especially banana), it's best regarded as a beer that lies outside style conventions.

A weizenbock for the bourbon barrel imperial stout lover.

B-

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Photo of tigg924
3.92/5  rDev -1.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Pours opaque, black, with 1/3 inch head. Taste is dark fruit, raisins, figs, with vanilla, and bourbon at the finish. There is a bit of sourness. Tasty and complex brew. I prefer Central Waters bourbon beers more, but this is tasty.

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Photo of ThickNStout
4.4/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

22oz bottle from LambicPentameter (thanks man!). No bottling date but this has rested in my cellar for a year since I received it. Served in a Barrel and Barley teku.

Pours a deep but brilliant, nearly opaque burgundy with just under two fingers ecrue head. Once the foam subsides a full collar remains, leaving only a couple tiny splotches of lace.

Aromas of bourbon, toffee, caramel, bread and oak. Sweet and welcoming.

Flavor expounds upon that inviting nose. Bourbon, caramel, wet oak, toffee, hints of stone fruit, wheat bread, vanilla, sweet wheat malt, fruity yeast, cereal grain and a subtle booze heat. It all blends oh, so smoothly to create a delicious, enjoyable, malty sweet treat.

Creamy, medium full body with moderate carbonation. Bourbon, toffee, seared caramel and vanilla coat the tongue for a long, sweet finish.

Much to my delight, La Petite Mort combines weizenbock, Belgian yeast and bourbon barreling to produce a something very much like my favorite wheatwines. This is one of those rare collaborations that is truly outstanding and is worthy of a little effort to track down.

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Photo of mdfb79
4.05/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

From 10/17/15 notes. Big thanks to Dane for sending me out a bottle of this. 22 oz. bottle into a globe glass.

Pours a dark brown color with a reddish tint and low carbonation evident. Lots of bourbon, sweet dark fruits, toffee, caramel malts, and raisins. Medium body and low to moderate carbonation, not hot.

Overall a very nice BBA beer. Worth checking out for sure.

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Photo of ryan1788a5
3.81/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

22oz bottle poured into a chalice.

A: Very dark brown, nearly black. Beige head settles to a thin cap. Wispy and spotty lacing.

S: The bourbon barrel is forward with corny sweet bourbon aromas, charred wood, and chewy caramel. Faint whiffs of musty yeast, candied plum, and raisin. Bakers chocolate and chocolate wheat. Light char and whiffs of alcohol.

T: Bite of bourbon up front. Woody, chewy caramel, corny sweet bourbon. Bakers chocolate and charred malt flavors form a solid base. Plum and raisin. Yeast is fairly neutral otherwise. Pinch of black pepper. Spike of alcohol at the back. Dusty yeast and fading bakers chocolate on the finish.

M: Thick in body and big boned. The weight and heft press into the tongue very gently. Soft and a bit chewy. Creamy. Acute carbonation has a moderate prickle. Warming alcohol.

O: To be honest I don't know how you can call a beer a weizenbock if you aren't going to use the traditional German yeast. This tastes absolutely nothing like a weizenbock. Nevertheless, this is still a solid enough beer. The barrel doesn't feel fully integrated, but it isn't a nuisance either. It's really just a dry, chocolatey strong ale with some potent barrel character. Kind of fire-and-forget and on the simpler side, but likeable enough.

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Photo of buschbeer
4.04/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

1 PINT 6 FL. OZ. bottle
Served in a weizen glass

This beer pours very dark brown in color. It is topped with three inches of tan head that sticks around awhile leaving some lacing.

There is no denying the bourbon smell. This beer is two years old and still has a strong bourbon smell. I smell some caramel and vanilla. I don't get any of the typical weizenbock aromas.

The first few sips were boozy. Then it settles into caramel and vanilla flavors. It almost tastes like a barrel aged wee heavy, but some of the weizenbock flavors try to emerge in the form of the yeast spiciness.

Full mouthfeel

I love weizenbocks. I love bourbon barrel aged beer. I was more than curious to try this beer. It turns out that it wasn't life changing, but it is a pretty damn good beer. The weizenbock characteristics seemed to disappear, but it is real good in what it became.

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Photo of dbrauneis
4.13/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

A: Pours a slightly hazy almost opaque extremely dark brown in color with light to moderate amounts of active visible carbonation along the edges of the glass and moderate amounts of dark cola brown highlights. The beer has a half finger tall foamy tan head that reduces to a medium thick film covering the entire surface of the beer with a medium thick ring at the edges of the glass. Light amounts of lacing are observed.

S: Moderate to strong aromas of bourbon, oak, and vanilla.

T: Upfront there is a light flavor of roasted malts and caramel malts with a light amount of toffee sweetness. That is followed by moderate to strong flavors of vanilla, oak, and bourbon. Light hints of alcohol in the finish.

M: Medium bodied with moderate amounts of carbonation. Light amounts of alcohol warming in the finish.

O: Very interesting, it doesn't taste like the underlying beer is a weizenbock but it is pretty easy to drink. Alcohol is well hidden considering this is a bourbon barrel beer.

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Photo of larryarms847
4.24/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Pours a dark red-brown with a very thin layer of light khaki foam.

Raisins, dates, plums, and other dark fruits and oh so much bourbon. Some light vanilla as well.

The dark fruit is much less pronounced in flavor, but the vanilla, oak, and bourbon really stands out.

Heavy-bodied, light carbonation, warming bourbon, surprisingly creamy smooth.

Overall, I was not sure what to expect from this style, but It was certainly worth the purchase!

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Photo of Mightykingmalard
4.11/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A: pours deep brown/black. Not totally opaque. Light brown head fades quickly.

S: smells like barrel and caramel. Very malty.

T: again, very very malty. Not much chocolate or coffee, just a ton of malty creaminess.

M: extremely smooth. Very nice in that regard. Rolls off the tongue nicely.

O: a nice aged beer. Definitely not a stout, but a nice strong ale.

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Photo of PA-Michigander
2.75/5  rDev -31.1%
look: 2.75 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.75

I thought there was a problem with our bottle but more knowledgable guys said no. That being said I couldn't get into the flavor. A slight sour twang/funky nose that might come from the style but I wouldn't seek this out at all.

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Photo of vfgccp
4.34/5  rDev +8.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

2013 bottle, opened Feb 2014.

A - Beautiful deep mahogany body with ruby highlights. Bone-white head pours thin with low retention and lace.

S - Fantastic nose. Chestnut, molasses, bananas, brown sugar, cherry cordial chocolates, touch of cognac, and caramel.

T - Lightly burnt fudge brownies, touch of cinnamon and nutmeg, and loaded with smooth, rich hazelnuts.

M - Thin, medium-light frame with a light boozy astringency.

O - Really nice, complex profile. Lighter than expected. Drinks a little like a brown-ale / barleywine hybrid.

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Photo of deltatauhobbit
4.05/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a dark brown color, virtually no head and no lacing on the glass.

Smell is primarily roasted malt with a whiff of vanilla, slight hints of bourbon and barrel but it is very subdued and subtle.

Taste actually starts out on a slightly sweet edge, sweet caramel malt with touchings of vanilla, bourbon is once again subtle which is good in that it doesn't overpower all the other flavors and adds some nuances, body is a touch thin, lacking some of the other flavors of a typical weizenbock yet present bigger flavors that aren't typically present, bit of a conundrum in this respect, heat makes a late stage presence with each sip so it's not distracting when it counts.

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Photo of UrbanCaveman
1.91/5  rDev -52.1%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

1 pint 6 oz bottle, poured into a tulip glass at approximately 40 degrees F.

Appearance: Pours the color of molten caramel, and pools into the glass a deep, dark brown, bordering on black save for the light that gets through around the edges. Forms virtually no head, save for a ring of pale tan foam that sits atop the beer.

Smell: Bourbon barrel notes are the primary aroma, heavy on the vanilla-caramel aspects, with some of the woodiness. Lurking beneath, there's a malty sweetness, with toffee-esque tinges.

Taste: This drinks smooth, with almost no hint of the ABV at all. The bourbon mixes with the beer in a way that presents both chocolate and vanilla flavors at the opening, rounded off with hints of caramelly booze and oak. As it warms, there's an almost cola-like sweetness that emerges beneath the barrel notes, and some faint, very faint, shadows of dark fruit lurking far off in the distance, like shy nerdy kids peeking in the door to the prom, wondering if they should walk in or just go home and play some World of Warcraft. There's pretty much none of the esters one would expect from a weizenbock, which may be a side effect of the barrel aging process.

Mouthfeel: Slick and relatively thin, verging towards watery, the feel may have influenced my perception of the "cola" sweetness. There is next to no carbonation, however, just enough to keep the beer from feeling flat.

Overall: For a bourbon barrel aged beer, this is not bad at all - 9% with little to no alcohol taste and heat is a plus in my book, and the flavor profile is interesting. As a weizenbock, well...this isn't one. If it was, the essence of it was lost during aging, leaving behind just a sweet, smooth, bourbony beer. Hence, I am torn on how to rate this. I would pick this up again on occasion, as I enjoyed it, but it fits the style about as well as a blower for a '57 Chevy fits a Bop-It. Since I prefer rating to stylistic elements over personal enjoyment, I am going to go that route, with the disclaimer that this is still a tasty barrel-aged beer - just not a weizenbock, per se.

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Photo of Billolick
3.99/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bomber bottle

Dark mahogany,very minor dark tan

Rum, dark malt sugars, dark chocolate on the nose.

Deeply flavorful with more of the same on the palate. Bourbon, burnt sugars and dark chocolate/molasses coming to mind. Hearty beer for a cold winters day

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Photo of russpowell
3.78/5  rDev -5.3%
look: 2.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Pours mahogany with a sliver of tan head. Near zero head retention & lacing

S: Raisins, bourbon & figs

T: Figs, dates, raisins with a little booze mixed in up front. A little brown sugar fights through as this warms, a little bit of woodyness & leafy hops as well, then figs & raisins& little Baker's Chocolate sneaking in.

MF: Chewy, light carbonation, warming, thins out a bit as it warms

Drinks pretty nice, could use a little more barrel & body, a good, not great take on the style. Great flavor, but doesn't quite measure on the other elements

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Photo of Ozzylizard
1.63/5  rDev -59.1%
look: 4 | smell: 1 | taste: 1 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Undated bottle at 50 degrees into weizen glass
Aroma of bourbon, lasts for entire bottle
Head large (7 cm, aggressive pour), light brown, fizzy/frothy, rapidly diminishing to 5 mm ring and layer
Lacing poor – rare island of tiny to small bubbles
Body dark amber, clear
Flavor sweet, bourbon. Unable to detect anything else. No hops, no malt, no yeast, no alcohol, no diacetyl.
Palate medium to full, syrupy, lively carbonation

Appearance 4, Aroma by style 1, Aroma 4, Flavor by style 1 (Not a weizenbock), Flavor overall 3.5 (Another bourbon beer), Palate 2.5, Overall 2.5 by style. Ignoring style 3.5 overall.

Local Option calls this a weizenbock so I rated it as such. As far as a general beer, it's another decent offering of a bourbon barrel aged beer with no particular stylistic characteristics.

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Photo of dar482
4.39/5  rDev +10%

The beer comes in a dark rusty cooper color.

The aroma has a punch of sweet bourbon and oak. Vanilla, toffee, caramel, along with dark fruits and a hint of over ripe banana.

The flavor pops of bourbon up front. Oak throughout that lingers on the back end. A spike of alcohol, but in a positive way. On the back end, coconut and vanilla finish off the beer. A touch of caramel sweetness in the back.

In general, the beer just exemplifies bourbon barrel aging as it hits its notes subtlety and beautifully. The beer tastes more towards a strong ale or American barleywine in the base, but it still does not stand much in the way of the barrel expression.

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Photo of MasterfulIdiot
4/5  rDev +0.3%

Poured into a Duvel tulip. The liquid is a super dark mahogany, and the pour kicks up a very small tan head that fades to a film very quickly. Almost no lace to speak of.

Aroma hits you instantly with a super thick bourbon aroma. Tons of oak, vanilla, fig, and caramel. Dark fruits really dominate the aroma, with some nice bready undertones, coming across like a rich bread pudding with lots of raisins.

Taste follows the nose, although ends up being less in-your-face, in a good way. Bourbon flavors are there, with the dark fruit still dominating, but it's a little less sweet on the palate. The finish is surprisingly clean, and while the dark fruit and breadiness comes out on the aftertaste, it's not as cloying as the nose would suggest. Very minimal alcohol presence on the palate.

Mouthfeel is surprisingly light-bodied, with medium carbonation. The light-bodied-ness is really pleasant and unusual - it has all the flavor and aromas of a thick, chewy stout, but is surprisingly drinkable. Unfortunately, the 9% ABV (not mentioned on the bottle) does sneak up on you.

Overall, really pleasant, slightly unusual malt-forward BBA beer. A really surprising amount of flavor for a relatively small mouthfeel. Really nice!

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Photo of GreesyFizeek
4.56/5  rDev +14.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle purchased at Half Time Beverages in Poughkeepsie, New York.

Pours a dark purplish brown, almost black, with a creamy half inch head, and a little bit of lacing.

Smells awesome, sweet bourbon, some honey, coconut, dark fruits (raisins, plums). No real weizenbock aspect to this, smells like a BA Barleywine or BA BSDA.

This tastes divine, but again, it's indistinguishable as a weizenbock. There's a ton of barrel goodness, sweet, sticky, bourbon, dark honey, coconut, vanilla, oak. I get some Belgian yeast character, I think, it tastes a bit estery. There's a lot of dark fruit character going on, plums and raisins. It's also slightly grape flavored as well. There's a lot going on here.

This has a big and syrupy mouthfeel, without being too cloying. It's got a lower amount of carbonation, but remains very drinkable, despite the size and gravity.

This can barely be called a weizenbock, it has none of the characteristics of one. It can be called a great beer, however. It's closer to a barrel-aged Belgian Strong Dark Ale, or a barrel aged barleywine (those two aren't that far from each other, anyway).

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Photo of BMMillsy
3.27/5  rDev -18%

Got extra’d this recently in a big trade. Hooray! Large format bottle with no date. Pours dark brown and settles without letting much of any light through in the glass, with a khaki one finger head. Definite aroma of bourbon, huge oak presence, some spice, not much else here. Pretty bourbon forward nose. Flavor is big bourbon notes, a bit harsh, a little vanilla, settles with a little bit of spice and then a long caramel vanilla finish with lots of woodyness. Somewhat thin on the body, medium carbonation. Yikes. These sorts of beers just don’t handle the barrel well for me, and end up tasting very harsh without any of the sweet, pleasant nuance of the bourbon itself. Not getting into this one.

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Photo of mfnmbvp
4.12/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz. bottle, no apparent bottled on date present. Acquired this bottle from the local beer store. I've never had the non barrel aged version, so I'm unable to compare. Also, my first review of what BeerAdvocate classifies as a Weizenbock. Not entirely sure what to expect.

Poured into a Duvel tulip glass.

A - It pours a muddy murky caramel brown colored body with about a finger of frothy tan head. Leaves behind some good scattered strands of thick lacing. Looks very nice.

S - The aroma is very lovely - lots of woodsy cream bourbon barrel character. Vanilla, toffee, marshmallow fluff. Lots of dried dark fruits - raisins, figs, cherries. It's a complex and layered aroma.

T - Very nicely integrated bourbon barrel character - vanilla, oak, wood, toffee, dark fruits.

M - The feel is smooth and creamy, medium full bodied with good carbonation.

Overall, a nice beer from Central Waters; unable to say how it compares to the original, but the bourbon barrels have taken over in full effect. Definitely worth the price paid, and recommended.

Central Waters Local Option Bourbon Barrel-Aged La Petite Mort -----4/5.

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Central Waters / Local Option De Kleine Dood from Central Waters Brewing Co.
89 out of 100 based on 92 ratings.