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Central Waters / Local Option De Kleine Dood | Central Waters Brewing Co.

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Central Waters / Local Option De Kleine DoodCentral Waters / Local Option De Kleine Dood
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Central Waters Brewing Co.
Wisconsin, United States | website

Style: Weizenbock

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 9.05%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
De Kleine Dood is a Belgian inspired Weissenbock brewed as a collaboration between The Local Option and Central Waters Brewery in Amherst, Wisconsin. Originally released in summer 2012, De Kleine Dood will be available in spring 2013 on draft and in large format bottles.

When Central Waters decided to open its brew house for its first collaboration beer, Chicago’s Local Option was the obvious partner in crime. The resulting brainchild, De Kleine Dood - a Belgian inspired Weissenbock – maintains the traditional characteristics of its Bavarian forbearer, with the added complexity of Belgian ale yeast. De Kleine Dood is dark amber in color; maintains a rich, full-bodied mouth-feel augmented by caramel; mild and dark fruit; and vanilla and bourbon aromas as a result of six months of aging on Heaven Hill Barrels.. Rounded out by an unostentatious bourbon driven aroma from brief bourbon barrel aging, De Kleine Dood is a complex ale, a marriage of distinctive styles, and an orgasmic experience for the taste buds that revel in its glory.

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Photo of russpowell
3.78/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 2.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Pours mahogany with a sliver of tan head. Near zero head retention & lacing

S: Raisins, bourbon & figs

T: Figs, dates, raisins with a little booze mixed in up front. A little brown sugar fights through as this warms, a little bit of woodyness & leafy hops as well, then figs & raisins& little Baker's Chocolate sneaking in.

MF: Chewy, light carbonation, warming, thins out a bit as it warms

Drinks pretty nice, could use a little more barrel & body, a good, not great take on the style. Great flavor, but doesn't quite measure on the other elements

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Photo of Ozzylizard
1.63/5  rDev -59.4%
look: 4 | smell: 1 | taste: 1 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Undated bottle at 50 degrees into weizen glass
Aroma of bourbon, lasts for entire bottle
Head large (7 cm, aggressive pour), light brown, fizzy/frothy, rapidly diminishing to 5 mm ring and layer
Lacing poor – rare island of tiny to small bubbles
Body dark amber, clear
Flavor sweet, bourbon. Unable to detect anything else. No hops, no malt, no yeast, no alcohol, no diacetyl.
Palate medium to full, syrupy, lively carbonation

Appearance 4, Aroma by style 1, Aroma 4, Flavor by style 1 (Not a weizenbock), Flavor overall 3.5 (Another bourbon beer), Palate 2.5, Overall 2.5 by style. Ignoring style 3.5 overall.

Local Option calls this a weizenbock so I rated it as such. As far as a general beer, it's another decent offering of a bourbon barrel aged beer with no particular stylistic characteristics.

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Photo of dar482
4.39/5  rDev +9.5%

The beer comes in a dark rusty cooper color.

The aroma has a punch of sweet bourbon and oak. Vanilla, toffee, caramel, along with dark fruits and a hint of over ripe banana.

The flavor pops of bourbon up front. Oak throughout that lingers on the back end. A spike of alcohol, but in a positive way. On the back end, coconut and vanilla finish off the beer. A touch of caramel sweetness in the back.

In general, the beer just exemplifies bourbon barrel aging as it hits its notes subtlety and beautifully. The beer tastes more towards a strong ale or American barleywine in the base, but it still does not stand much in the way of the barrel expression.

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Photo of MasterfulIdiot
4/5  rDev -0.2%

Poured into a Duvel tulip. The liquid is a super dark mahogany, and the pour kicks up a very small tan head that fades to a film very quickly. Almost no lace to speak of.

Aroma hits you instantly with a super thick bourbon aroma. Tons of oak, vanilla, fig, and caramel. Dark fruits really dominate the aroma, with some nice bready undertones, coming across like a rich bread pudding with lots of raisins.

Taste follows the nose, although ends up being less in-your-face, in a good way. Bourbon flavors are there, with the dark fruit still dominating, but it's a little less sweet on the palate. The finish is surprisingly clean, and while the dark fruit and breadiness comes out on the aftertaste, it's not as cloying as the nose would suggest. Very minimal alcohol presence on the palate.

Mouthfeel is surprisingly light-bodied, with medium carbonation. The light-bodied-ness is really pleasant and unusual - it has all the flavor and aromas of a thick, chewy stout, but is surprisingly drinkable. Unfortunately, the 9% ABV (not mentioned on the bottle) does sneak up on you.

Overall, really pleasant, slightly unusual malt-forward BBA beer. A really surprising amount of flavor for a relatively small mouthfeel. Really nice!

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Photo of GreesyFizeek
4.56/5  rDev +13.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle purchased at Half Time Beverages in Poughkeepsie, New York.

Pours a dark purplish brown, almost black, with a creamy half inch head, and a little bit of lacing.

Smells awesome, sweet bourbon, some honey, coconut, dark fruits (raisins, plums). No real weizenbock aspect to this, smells like a BA Barleywine or BA BSDA.

This tastes divine, but again, it's indistinguishable as a weizenbock. There's a ton of barrel goodness, sweet, sticky, bourbon, dark honey, coconut, vanilla, oak. I get some Belgian yeast character, I think, it tastes a bit estery. There's a lot of dark fruit character going on, plums and raisins. It's also slightly grape flavored as well. There's a lot going on here.

This has a big and syrupy mouthfeel, without being too cloying. It's got a lower amount of carbonation, but remains very drinkable, despite the size and gravity.

This can barely be called a weizenbock, it has none of the characteristics of one. It can be called a great beer, however. It's closer to a barrel-aged Belgian Strong Dark Ale, or a barrel aged barleywine (those two aren't that far from each other, anyway).

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Photo of BMMillsy
3.27/5  rDev -18.5%

Got extra’d this recently in a big trade. Hooray! Large format bottle with no date. Pours dark brown and settles without letting much of any light through in the glass, with a khaki one finger head. Definite aroma of bourbon, huge oak presence, some spice, not much else here. Pretty bourbon forward nose. Flavor is big bourbon notes, a bit harsh, a little vanilla, settles with a little bit of spice and then a long caramel vanilla finish with lots of woodyness. Somewhat thin on the body, medium carbonation. Yikes. These sorts of beers just don’t handle the barrel well for me, and end up tasting very harsh without any of the sweet, pleasant nuance of the bourbon itself. Not getting into this one.

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Photo of mfnmbvp
4.12/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22 oz. bottle, no apparent bottled on date present. Acquired this bottle from the local beer store. I've never had the non barrel aged version, so I'm unable to compare. Also, my first review of what BeerAdvocate classifies as a Weizenbock. Not entirely sure what to expect.

Poured into a Duvel tulip glass.

A - It pours a muddy murky caramel brown colored body with about a finger of frothy tan head. Leaves behind some good scattered strands of thick lacing. Looks very nice.

S - The aroma is very lovely - lots of woodsy cream bourbon barrel character. Vanilla, toffee, marshmallow fluff. Lots of dried dark fruits - raisins, figs, cherries. It's a complex and layered aroma.

T - Very nicely integrated bourbon barrel character - vanilla, oak, wood, toffee, dark fruits.

M - The feel is smooth and creamy, medium full bodied with good carbonation.

Overall, a nice beer from Central Waters; unable to say how it compares to the original, but the bourbon barrels have taken over in full effect. Definitely worth the price paid, and recommended.

Central Waters Local Option Bourbon Barrel-Aged La Petite Mort -----4/5.

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Photo of infinitebruner
4.12/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

September 27, 2014

22 oz bottle, cylindrical glass from someone's cabinet

A – Poured dark brown with a thin tan head, dissipating rather quickly. A lot of amber highlights.

S – A lot of vanilla and oak, followed by moderate malty sweetness. Caramel, toffee, and molasses. Bourbon does not manifest itself as alcohol burn.

T – Rich, sweet chocolate and deep vanilla, with bittersweet chocolate coming in next. Some bitterness on the finish.

M – Somewhat thin mouthfeel, mostly due to the alcohol. A lot of residual sweetness, but not out of balance.

O – I have had this on my list of beers to try for a long time, and wish I’d gotten around to it sooner. A lot of the character of a traditional doppelbock (maybe it should be called La Petite Mortinator), with the barrel aging adding some rich flavors to it. Really good stuff.

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Photo of TheDDO
4.25/5  rDev +6%

Poured this beer from a bomber into a tulip glass.

A- Beer pours brown, like you dipped your glass in a mud puddle with a 1/2 to 1 finger white cream head. The head of this beer dissipates quickly leaving a ring that hugs the glass.

S- Right off the get go, the bourbon is present. There is a hint of tart cherry and dark fruit that comes to the forefront. A bit of coconut. Looking forward to a taste!

T- The taste is great. Bourbon up front with some dark fruit, bourbon, banana and you guessed it.... Bourbon. Central Waters has quite the sipping beer here. The taste of this beer really improves as it is warmed. Delicious, I like it!

M- As this beer is sipped, it goes down great. Velvety smooth, provides a coating in the mouth that allows the flavor of this beer to linger.

O- On a crisp, cool Midwest evening, this beer is perfect. Don't rush into drinking this one. Open a bottle, share with a buddy and enjoy! I am going to let one age a bit to see how the flavors in this beer develop over time.

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Photo of Georgiabeer
4.25/5  rDev +6%

Lots of Bourbon here, both in the aroma and in the taste, but it plays well with the base beer, echoing its richness, vanilla notes, and restrained sweetness. A sipper for sure, but one that keeps drawing you on. Very nice to find this locally because of the Local Option connection.

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Photo of SD-Alefan
4.51/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a tulip from the bomber. A nearly opaque and deep brown with hints of ruby when held up to the light. A dense, tan head that leaves lingering lacing down the glass as you sip.
The aroma is a bit winey with some sweet malt, banana, and hints of dark fruit.
The taste changes as the beer warms and you slowly sip. it started out all plum and prune and ripe banana with hints of tobacco and booze and a nice bourbon bite. As it warmed, I got more dark chocolate and coffee and hints of vanilla and allspice.
The mouthfeel is outstanding! Smooth and creamy and luscious. Was not expecting that.
Overall, this concoction has amazing depth and is a real treat. Beautifully done!

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Photo of LambicPentameter
4.05/5  rDev +1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Enjoyed out of a 22 oz brown bomber with no dating that I can seem to find, but I am fairly certain this is the 2014 release of the beer. Poured into a Weihenstephaner weizen glass.

Appearance (3.75) - Pours a really dark umber brown that when, when the light isn't passing through, looks almost black, like a dark walnut wood finish. At the edges, where the light does break through, it takes on a burnt umber, almost chestnut hue, but extremely faint. Atop the body sits a disappointingly small cap--only about a half finger thick--the color of toasted marshmallow.

Smell (4.25) - This is where this beer really shines, with the notes of vanilla, oak and slight bourbon caramel working quite well with the estery element of the yeast that imparts traditional notes of clove and faint banana, as well as some dark fruits--maybe fig?

Taste (4.00) - The taste takes a small step back from the deliciously rich aroma, but it still quite good. Again, there are veins of vanilla and oak, and now an even sweeter component that brings to mind maple syrup--a little unexpected when thinking about the combination of weizenbock and bourbon barrel aging on their own, but perhaps a result of the two flavor profiles combining to make something completely new. There is a generous malt backbone here, with detectible elements of wheat and buckwheat giving just enough offset to the sweetness to prevent it from overpowering. As with the smell, clove and banana esters are again present, but in the background, so as not to overpower.

Mouthfeel (4.0) - Medium-bodied, with lighter-than-expected carbonation, especially for the style. I suppose that's a result of the barrel aging, but it does feel like there's something slightly missing when considering the style. That said, if you think about it as the style being "barrel aged", it becomes a little less incongruous with expectations.

Overall (4.0), a nice execution of a style that seems to take pretty well to bourbon barrel aging. Weizenbocks already have some pleasant sweetness naturally, so the complement of the oak and the contrast of the residual spirits from the barrel both work quite well. I'll definitely be buying more of this since it just seems to sit around on shelves in my neck of the woods.

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Photo of Bitterbill
4.2/5  rDev +4.7%

A pitch black pour with a 1 finger head of tannish foam.

Big notes of bourbon in the smell with some roasted malt, chocolate, vanilla. A lot going on.

Bourbon up front in the taste but there's a milkshake like sweetness here that I find welcoming to take my taste buds' "mind" off the bourbon.

I'd call it full bodied.

A big and warming brew. This is very good.

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Photo of Dope
4.1/5  rDev +2.2%

No date that I can see, but this just hit the stores about a month ago.

A: Dark brown pour with a very and effervescent light brown head. Very fine air bubbles in there, giving it a dense appearance. Top-notch head retention but no sign of lacing.

S: Lots of caramel up front from the bourbon. Pure caramel really. Light cocoa and earthy spices with a hint of breadiness. But pretty much a caramel bomb initially. Light dark fruits when swirled.

T: Yup. Lots of caramel up front but heavy toffee and super heavy breadiness to boot. Malty as hell. Quite a bit of oak everywhere. Earth and cocoa in the finish. Lots of cocoa with light oak and caramel lingering between sips. Kind of a pervading earthiness covers everything - probably part of the yeast used I'm guessing.

M: Thick, heavy, lower carbonation. Feels 10x heavier than it actually is. I think they used a lead malt bill in this one.

O: Hell of a weizenbock. Malty to the extremely. Like drinking liquid bread mixed with caramel and served in an oaken drinking vessel. Almost too much at times; definitely a sipper. But great strength of flavors, great complexity, and well executed. Perfect fireside drink for a snowstorm (though it is still in the 80s here).

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Photo of EdwardK77
4.75/5  rDev +18.5%

A- Poured a 22 ounce bomber into a Weizen glass, great head retention over a dark ale. The head maintains a creaminess that is hard to come by.

S- Not sure if otherworldly is a fair term to use in a review (at least not if I want to seem partial, which in this case I don't) but this beer is a 100 in the scent category. Bourbon is perfectly captured in the scent department, with amazing vanilla being the most pronounced. Upon further review I feel like I'm sensing nutmeg and cinammon. (And I have a crap sense of smell)

T- I've enjoyed the benefit of bourbon barrels on stouts before but this may even surpass that. The vanilla and bourbon are amazing in this beer, really nice caramel sweetness as well.

M- Extremely smooth with a nice sticky presence from the caramel and vanilla flavor components. Perfect carbonation is present.

O- This was a sensational beer. The weizenbock is as good or better a way to deliver the bourbon flavors than a stout. I wasn't sure what to expect with this (other than it would be good because Central Waters was involved) but it has exceeded my expectations.

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Photo of mnredsoxfan69
4.5/5  rDev +12.2%

A high alcohol dive into a maelstrom of coconut, raisins, bourbon and other dark fruits. Truly an amazing brew which must be experienced. Sip, do not chug. Savor it, do not merely knock it back and your palate shall be richly rewarded beyond your wildest dreams.

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Photo of ronricorossi
4/5  rDev -0.2%

Bottle purchased from The Good Hop, the new bottle shop/tap room sprouted up in Uptown Oakland.

Two qualities I prize in beers: malty sweetness, and bourbon barrel aging. They often go hand in hand (thank god), and La Petite Mort is no exception. Is it SO good as to merit its name, which is a euphemism for "orgasm" in French? I don't know, man, I don't know. It takes some balls to call your beer "orgasm". But it's damn good.

As has been mentioned by other reviews, how often do you see a weizenbock bourbon barrel aged? Or ANY style outside porter, stout, or quad? I applaud the idea, and the sweet weizenbock flavors sit comfortably on the BBA notes, all those sweet German dark purple fruits mixing really well with the vanilla and bourbon.

Is it perfect? Nah. But it's a damn good idea, and an interesting experiment. Well worth a try.

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Photo of Bosoxfan20
3.27/5  rDev -18.5%

Dark brown bark color with fair amount of light coming through. Faint, wispy head that settles into a ring quickly. 3.5

Lots of bourbon coming through, huge baverian malts, caramel, and toasted character. You have my interest…3.75

Intense bourbon paves the way for a mix of bready, malty notes with caramel and vanilla. The darker fruit from the Belgian aspects make for an interesting twist. 3.25

Soft and creamy. Lighter body resembling the weissenbock . Low carbonation 3.5

Unique to say the least. Some of it worked, but at times it seemed off. 3.25

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Photo of avalon07
4.25/5  rDev +6%

A: Poured from a bottle to a weizen glass. Had a dark brown color and a thick consistency. There was a two inch, creamy, off white, long-lasting head. Pretty good lacing.

S: A strong aroma of bourbon, wheat, and dark fruit.

T: Tasted of light wheat notes, a lot of bourbon, dark fruit (plums?), malt, and a hint of vanilla. Not your typical weizenbock flavor, but very robust and flavorful. The wheat element takes a secondary role to the bourbon, but that's a good thing.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a sharp finish. Medium-bodied.

O: An unusual beer. How often do you hear of a German-style beer being bourbon barrel aged? very complex and definitely drinkable.

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Photo of Alieniloquium
3.92/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

650 mL bottle pourd into a snifter. Reviewed from notes.

Appearance - Deep reddish brown. Khaki head. Medium collar. Faint surface wisps.

Smell - Bourbon and tons of vanilla. Sweet caramel. I may be imagining a slight bubble gummy aroma.

Taste - Bourbon is nice. Vanilla as well. Caramel gets just a touch of wheat and darker chocolate malts. Slightly fruity. Very dry, unpleasantly so.

Mouthfeel - Rough finish. Very dry and slightly boozy. Everything else works.

Overall - Flavors are nice, despite the finish. Quite a bit of barrel.

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Photo of LiquidAmber
4.52/5  rDev +12.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a Fremont small snifter. Pours a very dark brown, appearing pitch black in the glass with a fine one finger light brown head with great retention and lots of lacing. Fine aroma of bourbon, caramel, vanilla, dark malt, dark dried fruit; not getting much wheat here. What an interesting flavor! Starts very much like a bourbon stout, but it quickly becomes clear that the body of this is not dark toasted malt, but lighter wheat. There is not time for for the surprise of the lighter body to register when great bourbon and vanilla flavors beging to dominate the flavor. Finishes with more vanilla, oak and bourbon. A hint of booziness, but enough complexity to cover it. Medium bodied. A complete surprise and not like anything I've tasted before. The depth and strength of the bourbon and barrel flavors seem too much for anything but a rich malt body to cover, but this is wonderfully balanced and somehow the wheat is up to the task. Little bock character here; this seems more like an Imperial hefeweizen (never tried one, but this is what I'd imagine) on bourbon steroids. An amazing production and trying reminds me of the pleasant surprise of trying a bourbon stout for the first time. Excellent and world class. Maybe I'm a sucker for bourbon flavors, but I loved this.

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Photo of clayrock81
4.03/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Poured a dark brown body with one finger head that stuck around forever in lace ring form. Aroma is bourbon/boozy, dark fruits like black cherry and figs. Smooth, crisp carbonation, fuller body from yeast, also has a creaminess to it and there is some nice sweetness to beer comprised of vanilla, toffee, fig, caramel. Good balance as the dark fruits (black cherry, figs, possible raisins) balance with malty sweetness, woodiness and slight booziness. Finishes slick and easy and hides the alcohol real well. More sweet than I thought a dopple could be and really works.

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Photo of notchucknorris
3.52/5  rDev -12.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3.5

A: Pours a dark caramel brown color with a quickly receding khaki colored head.

S: Lots of sweet bourbon notes right away. Caramel, vanilla and some wet oak. I'm really not getting much beyond that, though. Maybe a little bit of hazelnut.

T: Lots and lots of bourbon without really becoming too hot. Beyond that though, I'm really not getting much here at all. A little bit of toasted walnut, oak, caramel, brown sugar and just a hint of dryness, but I'm thinking that all that is from the bourbon. The mouthfeel is really, really weak. The bourbon walks all over the beer here. It's not a bad beer, but I wouldnt go for this again.

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Photo of metter98
4.16/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is hazy ver dark brown in color. It poured with a short beige colored head that died down, leaving large wisps of bubbles on the surface and a collar around the edge of the glass.
S: Moderate to strong aromas of bourbon are present in the nose.
T: Similar to the smell, the taste is filled with flavors of bourbon and has lots of associated vanilla.
M: It feels medium-bodied on the palate and has a moderate amount of carbonation. No warming from the alcohol is perceptible.
O: The wheat body of this beer makes it very easy to drink for a bourbon barrel aged beer. You can't tell that the underlying beer is a weizenbock. Although the bourbon is quite strong, it doesn't burn your mouth.

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Photo of ksimons
4.05/5  rDev +1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A-a dark chestnut with a thin layer of khaki head

S-the smell is very nice, lots of bourbon sweetness, vanilla, caramel and even a bit of chocolate

T-taste is similar to the smell, starts and finishes with a bourbon bite, with vanilla and caramel, some dark fruits, and yeast

M-medium body, medium to high carbonation, bourbon sweetness finish

Overall very strong bourbon flavor, nice medium body. Have not been disappointed by Central Waters yet.

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Central Waters / Local Option De Kleine Dood from Central Waters Brewing Co.
89 out of 100 based on 100 ratings.