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Philosopher's Stone - Two Brothers Brewing Company

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75 Ratings
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Ratings: 75
Reviews: 44
rAvg: 3.55
pDev: 14.08%
Wants: 5
Gots: 1 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Two Brothers Brewing Company visit their website
Illinois, United States

Style | ABV
Saison / Farmhouse Ale |  8.50% ABV

Availability: Rotating

Notes/Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: kmpitz2 on 09-23-2006)
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Reviews by zeledonia:
Photo of zeledonia
3.63/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

I haven't been biting on Two Brothers' anniversary series, but there aren't many dark saisons around, so I couldn't pass this one up. Tasted 23 November 2012, reviewed from notes.

Pours dark brown in the glass, but light behind it reveas some reddish tones. Clear from the top of the bottle (though dark enough that that's only apparent when backlit), cloudy from the bottom as the yeast got stirred up. One finger of light tan head, fades pretty quickly, but some decent lacing.

Smell is spicy saison yeast. Definitely darker than the average saison, with slightly more roasty flavors, and lacking the fruity buoyancy that the pale malts give so many beers in this style. Spice is difficult to describe; something along the lines of cumin, but that's not really it.

Taste is kinda dull, and lacking any real character. I just don't have a whole lot to say about it. Peppery spice, a little bitter. The malts are almost there, but just when I go looking for them, they vanish.

Medium-bodied, tingly carbonation that fades out a little too fast. Okay, not great.

An interesting beer. I like their take, and I like the way the spice works with the darker malts. But I want more from it, especially in the taste. Finished a bomber no problem, so I can't really complain.

zeledonia, Dec 01, 2012
More User Reviews:
Photo of orbitalr0x
4.1/5  rDev +15.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is my first review in quite awhile. The Philosopher's Stone arrives in a 22oz bomber that states the brew was inspired by the Saison style and is oak-aged and Brett infected...sounds good to me! Pours into my tulip glass a dark black with streaks of garnet shooting out the side. Somewhat still with very laid back carbonation and a small ring of light tan around the glass. Aromas begin with dark, slightly toasted grains bathed in a chocolate essence. There's a slight underlying musty sourness along with a dash of cinnamon.

First sip brings a somewhat sweet, roasty, toasted grain along with notes of chocolate, cinnamon and a mellow underlying woody tone. A nice sourness rolls in as it makes its way down along with a mellow musty, slightly funky Brett aspect and some dark fruits. It finishes with a nice lingering roasty sourness and a touch of toasted oak. Quite a tasty and interesting brew to be had here!

Mouthfeel is medium bodied and smooth with a mellow carbonation made up of lots of tiny little bubbles. This one is easy to drink and really quite enjoyable. It's great to see Two Brothers putting out stuff like this and it makes me long for the next brew in the Artisan series. Well worth checking out! Get it while it lasts!

orbitalr0x, Nov 03, 2006
Photo of rhoadsrage
3.78/5  rDev +6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

(Served in a tulip shaped glass)

A- This beer has a inky black body that does allow some light to come through. There is a big carbonation of large bubbles and a thin ring of light tan foam that last a good bit.

S- The smell is a light note of roasted dark malt with a faint hint of coffee roasted as it warms. The finish is a slight musty smell that is very nice and "wild".

T- There is a roasted black malt flavor that is light but gets a bit stronger as it warms. There are notes of earthy mold and a hint of wet wood that has a bit of oak in it. The finish is a bright tart note like soft cherry vinegar but it is very smooth. The finish has a black malt flavor which hangs on the finish after the sip. Overall the flavors are pretty light and blended and it is tough to pull them apart. The sour note stands out but it doesn't punch you in the face like some unblended Lambics, which I also enjoy very much.

M- The mouthfeel is medium-light and I think it would be very light if it were not for the fizz. There is a very faint astringency in the finish that barley hits the back of the throat.

D- The flavor has some interesting flavors that blend together nicely. The subtlety makes you want to keep drinking to figure out the mystery of this beer. The big flavors that are typical of dark ales are missing because there is very little residual sugars thanks to the "wild beasties" but it doesn't have the spicy notes that I like to taste in Sasions. I would like to try this in a year or two to see how it really changes over time, if is bottle conditioned and not pasteurized.

rhoadsrage, Oct 03, 2006
Photo of IntriqKen
3.93/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours very black with a small white head that melts to a ring of white lacing.
Smells just like a Saison should. WTF? this beer is black!
Green apples, sour cherries, orange peel and lemons.
100% Saison.
Mouthfeel is creamy then melts to dry sharp citrus bitterness.
Love it...
Definately a saison, but unusual.

IntriqKen, Jan 04, 2007
Photo of Golden2wenty1
3.5/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Picked up a bomber at Riley's here in Madison.

Pour: nearly opaque dark garnet-black under a finger of khaki foam that quickly fizzles away.

Nose: interesting mix of medicinal-bandaid-plastic vapors, chocolate malts, lemony yeast.

Taste: metallic-lemon juice twinge up front, roasted chocolate wheat malt, dry yeasty, somewhat tart apple skin finish.

Feel: a little flat for a saison, but not as bad as many reviews have complained.

Drinkability/Overall: certainly an interesting hybrid here. Easy drinking for 8.5%. Not necessarily something I'd seek out again, but a valid experiment.

Golden2wenty1, Nov 15, 2006
Photo of WoodBrew
3.2/5  rDev -9.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

The Philospher's Stone has made a re-appearance as #9 of 15 of the retri release. The beer poured a dark, almost opague, mahogany with thin head that did not lace. The scent to me was wet burnt corn husks. The taste has more of a roast/burnt than fruity. The mouthfeel was medium to light body with good carbonation. Overall it was ok....I didn't like the smell and never really was a big Saison fan, but I think it is worth the taste.

WoodBrew, Aug 05, 2012
Photo of bashiba
3.48/5  rDev -2%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Poured a dark Brown almost Cola like in color with a thin off white head.

The smell has a nice mixture of Brett funk mixing with dark chocolate malts.

The flavors are solid in an understated sort. Light bits of chocolate, burnt barley, and spicy saison yeast with a bit Basement funk.

The mouthfeel is lightly carbonated and a bit tingly.

Not bad, just nothing great either.

bashiba, Aug 19, 2012
Photo of marcobrau
1.88/5  rDev -47%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 1

Pours with little carbonation. The aroma is musty, woody and with a sort of sour smell: think sauerkraut. This beer has a freakish amount of flavors -- the combination of malts has this beer tasting (and looking) a bit a like flat cola, but then there's a sour pickle flavor with a touch of soy sauce towards the finish -- yikes.

After about 20 minutes of waiting for this beer to get better, it just gets flat. I really wanted to like this beer, but it's not good.

marcobrau, Oct 14, 2006
Photo of Craftonly23121
2.5/5  rDev -29.6%

Craftonly23121, Jan 02, 2013
Photo of akorsak
4.05/5  rDev +14.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A 22 oz bomber from a Dark Lord Day trade with czoch75.

A: The ale opens with a light hiss of escaping gas and pours with a dunkel color, dark as soda syrup. The darkness prevents any sedimentary analysis. The off-white head measured near a finger on pour.

S: Funky barnyard aromas abound in the ale, creating a musky tartness that dominates the nose.

T: The ale has an herbal body, hinting at anise and coriander below the surface. Those flavors remain a mere hint though, as the brettanomyces has lent a horseblanket dose of gamey-ness to the ale. That funky natural flavor melds seemlessly into a bitter tartness that coats the mouth and leads to a smooth finish. The tartness lasts long, keeping the tastebuds on their toes.

M: The mouthfeel does not reflect the oak-aging but the brett infection more than makes up for that. The tart flavors are drying and refreshing, making me immediately want another sip.

D: The abv is a bit high to really get into but I like the flavors and the brett element. The infection does drown out most of the typical saison elements that I enjoy though.

akorsak, Aug 17, 2007
Photo of emerge077
4.03/5  rDev +13.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Imagine Philosopher's Stone as the misunderstood distant cousin of the Opus 10 Kriek. Let's just stick it under "American Wild Ales" and call it a day. Certainly not a Saison by any stretch of the imagination, but that's what's on the label.

One year old bottle, time has treated it well. The Brett funk has had some time to develop, and has added some depth to it. The flavors are more integrated, and it has coalesced into something resembling more of an Oud Bruin.

Served in a Unibroue tulip, black burnt wood with crimson highlights. Very woody and malty upfront, sour cherry and oak in the aroma. Taste still carries the roasted malt I tasted a year ago, but more Brettanomyces/wild funk presence. Tangy cherry pits alongside notes of earthy leather and tobacco. Tart and dry feel, but not overly so. Lower carbonation detracts a little, really the only flaw in my mind. It was easy to finish the 22 oz. bottle at Underbar.

It didn't have the finesse of some Flanders ales, but it was approaching the ballpark. Although it may not be perfect, it has several redeeming qualities, and indicates an experimental direction for Two Brothers.

emerge077, Oct 03, 2007
Photo of ambiguousfigures
2.75/5  rDev -22.5%

ambiguousfigures, Jul 20, 2014
Photo of matjack85
2.5/5  rDev -29.6%

matjack85, Feb 03, 2013
Photo of Bierguy5
3.55/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

22 oz. bottle, 8.5% ABV, 24 IBU. Cool looking mahogany color, with some ruby shades to it. Thin white head disappears immediately. A few spots of lace are left on the glass, but nothing outstanding.

Sour, fruity, oaky aroma. Fairly complex in the nose, and interesting.

Sour up front in taste, followed by some sour fruits, and oak. A bit of spices in the background and black licorice. Fruit and oak flavors seem to fade away very quickly. Earthy spices at the very end.

Low carbonation and light body. I thought a bit more carbonation might help out. Overall, interesting.

Bierguy5, Jun 08, 2007
Photo of carln26
3.83/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Deep brown color with light mahogany highlights. There does seem to be decent carbonation, but virtually no head is formed, and what little is there recedes very quickly. The nose has the funky brett tartness right up front. This backed by a mild date and dark caramel sweetness. Just the lightest touch of citrus. Interesting beer. Again the brett tartness comes across prominently, but it’s followed quickly by a light roast malt note. There is a definite sweetness, and a light citrus finish, still accompanied by the tartness. Light, almost slick mouth feel. Good drinkability.

carln26, Oct 06, 2006
Photo of lisahope27
3.5/5  rDev -1.4%

lisahope27, Nov 16, 2012
Photo of pathman
3.75/5  rDev +5.6%

pathman, Jan 21, 2013
Photo of Hopheadjeffery
3.5/5  rDev -1.4%

Hopheadjeffery, Aug 04, 2013
Photo of ygtbsm94
2.5/5  rDev -29.6%

ygtbsm94, Mar 09, 2014
Photo of TMoney2591
3.53/5  rDev -0.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Served in a Duvel tulip glass.

Review #2500! What's an anniversary series without a return of a black saison? Amiright? Anyway, this stuff pours a clear ruby-sienna topped by a short finger of wan cream foam. The nose comprises lightly-toasted biscuit, black pepper, clove, very light orange zest, and a touch of vague funk. The taste focuses on spice: clove, black pepper, light nutmeg, and mace. Slithering behind the spices are long streams of mild coffee, light roasted malts, very earthy greens, and straight-up dirt. The body is a light medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a pretty dry finish. Overall, a solid black saison, but one that seems restrained somehow, as though they didn't let the saison yeast really blossom and get all funky and whatnot.

TMoney2591, Sep 07, 2012
Photo of brandoman63
4/5  rDev +12.7%

brandoman63, Jan 16, 2013
Photo of Redrover
4.05/5  rDev +14.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Brown bomber. No freshness dating or lot code.

The beer pours black with brown and red highlights. There is a fairly dense beige head.

The nose is of hard candy, slightly toasted malts and something like rum raisin ice cream.

The taste is slightly tart with a bit of smokiness. The aftertaste has a almost cherry-caramel flavor. I like the funky taste that swirls in the background. Bits of dark fruits and molasses late. This beer flirts with but never becomes sweet or cloying.

The mouth is rich and smooth. This is an easy drinking beer, but I would characterize it as a once a night type beer which I guess is almost a given since it is 8.5%. Speaking of which, there is no alcohol taste here at all & that is a testament to the brewers.

Redrover, Nov 23, 2006
Photo of ColoradoBobs
3.5/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

22 ounce bomber courtesy of shbobdb.

This is one odd beer. Saison is such a broad style, so what does it mean for this to be a "Black Saison" and 8.5%? Odd and intriguing.

Appearance is a dark brown with a red wine-like edge under a smallish and quickly-fading head. Minimal lacing.

Smell is like a cross between a Flanders Red and a Milk Stout: i.e, two-thirds Mackeson Triple XXX and one-third LaFolie. Pepper, sour milk, sour fruits (cherry), some caramel malt, bread yeast; and more than a little bit of horse-blanket. Maybe even in the background a sense of menthol.

Taste follows the aroma pretty well. Malty sweet on the front, earthy sour in the middle, mildly hop-dry in the finish. The sour middle comes up as it warms. Odd and fascinating: a "Flanders Red Milk Stout."

Mouthfeel is a bit thin for all the flavors. Very little aftertaste.

Drinkability is hard to judge on one bottle. Just such an odd beer. Not unpleasant, mind you, but hybrid-like. Scoring this one is really rather difficult.

Thanks again to shbobdb for this fascinating beer. You told me you were sending me brews that pushed the style-definitions beyond their normal limits, and you were right on with this one.

ColoradoBobs, Oct 31, 2006
Photo of WesWes
3.65/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

The beer pours a dark brown/black color with a thin offwhite head that quickly fades to spotty lacing. The aroma is decent. It has a fruity/tart scent along with a faint roasted malt aroma. The taste is good. It has a smooth, yeasty flavor that boasts of fruits and an earthy finish. It's quite tart with just a bit of roasted malt present. The mouthfeel is average. It is a medium bodied beer with less than adequate carbonation. This is a pretty good beer. It has an exceptable flavor and the aroma is good. The carbonation is a problem. It tastes almost flat. Also, a little head retention never hurt. Overall, a good drinker.

WesWes, Oct 11, 2007
Photo of bruachan
3.33/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

saison in black. deep mahogany, rather. with a sudsy coating at the surface. not what i would call a head, but it doesn't look like it's going anywhere (decent lacing)

the aroma is funky and fruity, built above some richness.

for whatever reason i haven't had a saison recently (despite an affair with them not to long ago), but i'd be hard-pressed to identify this as one. the brett contributes enough that i can't even tell if a saison yeast was used as the primary strain

sour, and i should note that most of the complexity comes from the brett. there's very little spicing and very little malt or hop complexity

bruachan, Apr 09, 2007
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Philosopher's Stone from Two Brothers Brewing Company
81 out of 100 based on 75 ratings.