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Heliocentric Bragot - Two Brothers Brewing Company

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Heliocentric BragotHeliocentric Bragot

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BA SCORE
78
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53 Ratings
THE BROS
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Ratings: 53
Reviews: 39
rAvg: 3.38
pDev: 16.27%
Wants: 4
Gots: 1 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Two Brothers Brewing Company visit their website
Illinois, United States

Style | ABV
Braggot |  7.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: emerge077 on 08-02-2007)
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cokes

Wisconsin

1.73/5  rDev -48.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.5

Clear pale bronze with a spotty ivory lace.
Nose of toasted grain, rubber, and wet yellow dandelions.
It's all obese blonde ale once it hits the mouth, with a sense of dilute grain, corn, starchy yeast and tempered, grassy hops and traces of iron. Honey only barely makes an impression, and it's very vague and towards the close. Then again, I always get a honey impression from grain alcohol, and that's what I get here.
Medium bodied with moments of vapidness and moments of clingy cloying grab. If you were to make an Imperial Blonde/Cream Ale, this is about what it would taste like. And realistically, this should be bottle in 40ozs and sold for $1.29. A braggot this is not.

Serving type: bottle

09-21-2007 08:00:14 | More by cokes
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AndoBrew

Georgia

2.35/5  rDev -30.5%
look: 2 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

*did not like, would not buy*

app: clear pale gold, not magic, bland looking.

smell: some stale cooked meats cloud some other odd hop malt mixed aromas.

taste: not very good, nannas, sweet gold malt, some almost trash. some grass, but old grass. odd, not yummy.

mf: fine!

drinkable?: for how not yummy it is, yes.

Serving type: bottle

01-13-2008 02:40:44 | More by AndoBrew
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DaPeculierDane

Wisconsin

2.45/5  rDev -27.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 1.5

Pours a clear dark yellow, almost liquid honey color with a thin and short lived white head. Sweet malty aroma similar to the “blonde ale” found in almost every average to sub-par brew pub in America. Biscuits and damp grains with just an idea of honey. Flavor is initially sweet, malty, and not very pleasing. Rather one dimensional and leaning too much towards a regular and terribly average blonde ale. The finish on the other hand is quite pleasing, spicy, honey sweet, and much more interesting. It just doesn't last long enough to make up for the other problems. Body is light and not very carbonated. Drinkability is low. I don’t find this beer interesting or enjoyable. It’s too sweet and simple and the sweetness seems to come from malt rather than honey.

Serving type: bottle

09-07-2007 16:04:29 | More by DaPeculierDane
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ChainGangGuy

Georgia

2.45/5  rDev -27.5%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Appearance: Pours a clear, orange-yellow body with a thin, white head.

Smell: Nose reminiscient of a tall can of Camo High Gravity with only minor honey notes.

Taste: Sweet, honeyish taste with a blending of Steel Reserve and Evil Eye that lasts until the finish. Well, I can't exactly say that was pleasant.

Mouthfeel: Medium-bodied. Medium carbonation. Tongue-coating mouthfeel.

Drinkability: Nothing to bragot about.

Serving type: bottle

02-17-2008 19:00:49 | More by ChainGangGuy
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sopclod

Illinois

2.75/5  rDev -18.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

I had no prior experience with anything mead related, but I'll give my impressions anyway.

To me this beer was kind of flat and watery. It really had no complexity, and not much flavor at all. It wasn't BAD, but it's very... boring. I guess there's alcohol in it, but I couldn't tell.

I would be interested to try a traditional mead, but I sure hope it's a better experience than this. I'm glad I tried it, but I probably won't be buying this again.

Serving type: bottle

10-22-2007 18:08:06 | More by sopclod
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maximum12

Minnesota

2.78/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

My first encounter with a Bragot - appears there isn't much in the way of variety of this beer being brewed these days. Heck, I'd never even heard of it. Neither my wife nor I can recall where or why this ended up in the fridge.

Looks like honey, smells like honey, very sweet, almost no head in either pour out of a 22 oz. bomber.

Taste is sweet but funky. No bite at all, & dead flat, practicaly zero carbonation. There's a lingering aftertaste of licking a goat that doesn't agree with my palate. Strange since the up-front taste is almost sickly, Mike Hard-type sweet.

Mouthfeel is OK, drinkability drops as I go down the glass. The sweetness is too much to drink more than one, & the unpleasant aftertaste worsens with every sip. I may need a Bell's Expedition Stout to wash the Heliocentric out of my mouth.

This is my second taste of Two Brothers & I have to say I'm distinctly unimpressed. No urge to try another.

Serving type: bottle

05-22-2008 01:53:16 | More by maximum12
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morimech

Minnesota

2.8/5  rDev -17.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Pours a clear, dark golden color with a dense two finger head that had excellent retention. The head eventually settles to a thick cap. Moderate amount of lacing is left down the glass. This beer looks great, unfortunately that is going to turn out to be the best part of the this brew.

Very minimal aroma. Smells like a lackluster amber ale. Some honey and floral hints to add a little interest.

Flavor is not any better. Tastes of honey and green apple. Boring, sweet malt flavor. Cloying finish. Not really a braggot and it certainly does not taste like one.

Medium body with nice carbonation.

Another disappointing beer from Two Brothers. I don't know why I bother anymore.

Serving type: bottle

05-18-2013 19:11:47 | More by morimech
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MrMcGibblets

Illinois

2.8/5  rDev -17.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

this was easy on the eyes, a beautiful clear deep copper with decent lacing. not much head to speak of but i don't care as much about head on a beer as i do other things. i expected a powerful and complex nose but this failed to deliver. perhaps i should have let it warm more? i got just a hint of honey in the nose and not much else. taste was dry and tart with the alcohol presence noticeable. medium-bodied with an appropriate level of carbonation. drinkability suffers due to the relatively high abv and lack of complexity, balance, and flavor.

Serving type: bottle

08-16-2007 03:28:56 | More by MrMcGibblets
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2.83/5  rDev -16.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

22oz. bottle

My first braggot, so take this review as my opinion of the beer without much understanding of the style.

Clear, honey colored liquid. Small, off-white head. No lacing, some legs.

Aroma was sweet and fruity, cherries came to mind. Honey. A bit malty, reminds me a little of a dopplebock in smell (sweet & fruity aspect).

Taste was sweet, and increasingly so as it warms. Alcohol. Honey. Strong herbal notes at finish.

Light to medium body - seems like it should be heavier. Medium + carbonation. Dry, but refreshing.

Very different, an herbal mead which is light on the honey. Not to my taste, as it doesn't appeal to me as a beer or a mead. This could be very well done, but it doesn't do it for me.

Serving type: bottle

09-05-2007 20:41:29 | More by
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falloutsnow

Illinois

2.88/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

From: Friar Tuck's, Savoy, IL
Date: None on bottle, but released in November, 2012
Glass: Standard US pint glass

Bragot is not a style I'm familiar with, this being my first, but the description of it being a blend of mead and ale seems to match the characteristics of this particular beer. Two Brothers blended amber ale and mead made from local sunflower honey, yielding and intensely sweet, bright beer with little to no hop presence. The hybrid ale isn't particularly complex, with malt and honey sweetness being the only dimensions offered: I was ready to be done after a half glass. While it's nice to have tried another style, I would have liked to see the brewery re-release a different beer than this. In all, a disappointing end to the 15 Retro Release series Two Brothers was doing this year.

Pours a 0.5cm head of fairly clean white, medium and large-sized bubbles, that dissipates with extreme rapidity, fading to the thinnest of rings around the perimeter of the glass. Head leaves minimal to no lacing along the sides of my glass. Beer's body is transparent, light brown-orange in color, with plenty of visible, active carbonation.

Aroma is fairly subdued overall: biscuit-like with some honey sweetness and a slightly metallic edge.

Flavor is overall sweet, a blending between the amber ale base and honey. Front of palate detects biscuit and caramel-like sweetness. Mid-palate become a bit more interesting, with mild honey sweetness, biscuit and caramel-like sweetness, slight floral notes, and flavors that make me think of a soft white wine. Back of palate has some ethanol, spiciness (from ethanol or hops, it's difficult to tell), and milder honey-like sweetness due to the ethanol being more pronounced. Aftertaste is biscuit-like and grainy, with honeyed sweetness; slightly cloying overall.

Beer is medium to medium-heavy in weight, surprising for the simplicity of the style, but perhaps not so much due to the significant portion of weighty honey in the final product. Carbonation is medium to medium-low in intensity, meaning that this flows slowly, but surely, across the palate. Ethanol is mild, but still felt in the nostrils and back of throat: not particularly pleased by its obviousness. Substantial stickiness across the palate afterwards, likely from the high amount of unfermentable sugars.

Serving type: bottle

12-08-2012 23:22:18 | More by falloutsnow
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homebrew311

Illinois

2.93/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Apperance is deep reddish brown with white head. Nose features light grain, honey sweetness, a bit of vanilla, caramel and bread. Taste features watery sweetness, light grains, caramel, and some lager like dryness. Mouthfeel is light and sticky with moderate carbonation. Overall, a lackluster brew with minimal honey character.

Serving type: on-tap

11-17-2012 02:35:35 | More by homebrew311
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rhoadsrage

Illinois

2.98/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

(Served in a dimple mug)

A- This beer has a crystal clear light amber body with a strong carbonation of big bubbles. There is a snow white head that disappears soon after the beer is poured.

S- The note of light pale malt has a cider smell that is a little tangy. The smell is pretty clean overall.

T- The taste of pale malt and field corn comes through with a dry honey note and finishes with a light sweetness. As the beer warms the notes of biscuit malt and white wine come through along with a slight metallic taste.

M- This beer has a light and airy mouthfeel with a watery texture in the finish.

D- The flavors of beer are not very interesting and the mead flavors are very faint and not that interesting. So when they are blended it still tastes rather bland and uneventful. I like this style and this beer didn’t have the qualities that I look for or much taste at all.

Serving type: bottle

09-09-2007 15:14:10 | More by rhoadsrage
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BuckeyeNation

Iowa

2.98/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Heliocentric would look more heliocentric (sun-centered) if it was bright gold rather than bright tangerine orange. The perfectly pristine liquid is topped by two fingers of yellowish ivory foam that looks attractive enough and is beginning to lay down thin, tattered sheets of lace.

Sorry to say, the aroma is pretty close to AWOL. Multiple sniffs deliver nothing more than pale malt (I guess) and the vaguest hint of musky fruitiness. Shouldn't a braggot smell like honey? If not, shouldn't it smell like... something? To be fair, a wee whiff of honey arrives eventually.

At least there's *something* for my taste buds to work with, although not a whole helluva lot. This is my first braggot, but it isn't at all what was expected. Of course, it's possible that this is just a lousy version. There goes my excitement at trying a new style.

The flavor is reminiscent of a cream ale with a higher than usual ABV. Actually, most good cream ales have more flavor than this. Let's see... sweetened pale malt, a subtle fruitiness and a few drops of honey (if I'm being extremely generous). This stuff needs a flavor hook in the worst way.

The mouthfeel is light-medium and is gently carbonated. Something more full would be better, though I really have no idea what a braggot should feel like. A little more flavor appears with warming, which results in slightly higher taste and drinkability scores.

Two Brothers Heliocentric Bragot is still a letdown that I refuse to let color my opinion of the braggot style. Maybe the brewers can take this one back to the drawing board. Keep the name and label please. They're perfect.

Serving type: bottle

02-12-2008 15:14:12 | More by BuckeyeNation
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Orchids

Illinois

3/5  rDev -11.2%

11-14-2012 06:21:08 | More by Orchids
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NEhophead

Massachusetts

3/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

22 fl oz brown bottle; served in an oversized wine glass.

Slightly hazy, light copper in color. Thin, white head that fades to a pool of bubbles almost immediately. A few spots of lacing with average strength.

Slick, malted wheat aroma with notes of honey and vanilla. Whaffs of musty astringency over toasted, adjunctory grains. Apple and peach esters.

Green apple, pear acidity up-front. Lightly malted wheat with a mild honey and vanilla sweetness. Bland, airy, grain-based middle with notes of lingering tartness and slick alcohol.

Light, medium in body; mildly slick, but more grainy and airy than anything.

A disappointing 'Braggot'. More like a Pale Wheat Ale with a touch of artificial honey. Obviously not a brew I'll be returning to.

Serving type: bottle

03-30-2008 21:40:12 | More by NEhophead
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thinwhiteduke

Illinois

3/5  rDev -11.2%

05-02-2013 00:13:10 | More by thinwhiteduke
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beckje01

Minnesota

3.1/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A- Gold color with lots of activity and a thin white head.

S- Some sweetness and a touch of straw.

T- Slight sweet honey then a nice wheat flavor. It's a good balance and is very drinkable.

M- Nice activity really sets off the flavor.

D- Very drinkable.

Serving type: bottle

12-01-2008 07:56:27 | More by beckje01
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jeonseh

Indiana

3.18/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

From a bomber poured into a Bell's Tulip glass.

A - Reminds me of looking at a bottle of honey as the color is a deep, clean honey color that radiates golden hues. The beer is slightly reflective. There was no head formation at all as only a trail of white bubbles sat on the side of the glass.

S - The nose was barely noticeable at all. I could really only notice a slight hint of honey mixed with orange and lemon.

T - The first taste sensation is a light hint of sweet candied orange. After that, a hint of bitterness attempts to shine through yet the honey comes in and sweetens up your mouth before the bitterness has a chance to take hold. There was also a light hint of lemon which seems to come and go randomly throughout the tasting session. Overall, the taste is alright but not great. Have to say this was fruitier than I expected and there was not really a honey taste as much as a slight hint of honey. Actually reminded me a bit of a tripel that had a honey, instead of a bread and yeast backbone to it.

MF - Lightly carbonation comes through after the beer sits dead on the tongue for a few seconds. A bit watery for my tastes and the afterfeeling leaves a light astringent tingle on the tongue.

D - overall an okay beer that I give 2 Bros props for trying. Really not that much honey is in it at all as the citrus flavors really seemed to dominate. Worth a try but I was not the least bit sad to see that it was a one time limited offering.

Serving type: bottle

05-20-2008 14:44:56 | More by jeonseh
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barnzy78

Illinois

3.18/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Only the 2nd braggot I've ever tried (Surly Three was the other), so not much else to compare it to.
Pours amber in color, good clarity, some fine particulates suspended within. Thin white head fades quickly leaving no lace. Aromas are sweet with honey, vanilla, fresh air, grassy, faint caramel. Tastes are also sweet with delicate flavors of honey, vanilla, sunflower (I think this is because I know it's in there), chardonnay, butter, caramel, slight toastiness, slight nuttiness, vegetative/leafy. Thin-to-medium body, lower carbonation, and finishes semi-dry. Alcohol is present, but not boozy by any means. Overall, nothing bad about this; doesn't seem to be spectacular, but I get where they were going with this. Cloyingly sweet at times. Glad I got to try it, but glad it's gone at the same time...

Serving type: bottle

11-28-2012 02:00:53 | More by barnzy78
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Westsidethreat

California

3.23/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A: Extemely fizzy like soda. Carbonation chills out after a while, leaving a weak off white film across the top of the body. Decent bit of bubbles proceed to the surface from the bottom of the glass. Body is a clean and sterile mandarin color.

S: Clover honey, biscuits, yellow apples and cider.

T: Starts off mildly sweet and sour at the some time at the front of the palate. Honey is predominant but not cloying. Its actually not a bad flavor…but some off flavors follow it up. Slightly dirty flavor shows up, and I think the only reason you taste them is because the other flavors are so subtle. Delicate floral components come next with nectar qualities following suite. Finishes sort of grainy. Grainy flavors usually go away after you drink the beer for a while, but this one isn’t. Finishes with grainy flavors and lingering honey.

M: Medium body, soft mouthfeel.

D: I’m coming to the conclusion the bragots aren’t one of my favorite styles. Perhaps I just haven’t been drinking the right ones. Very subtle flavors at work here, and I’d imagine it takes master craftsmanship to perfect this type of beer. Dunno.

Serving type: bottle

12-01-2007 02:19:40 | More by Westsidethreat
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M1A2

Ohio

3.25/5  rDev -3.8%

04-16-2013 14:54:08 | More by M1A2
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TMoney2591

Illinois

3.33/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Served in a Lagunitas mason jar.

For whatever reason, with the spelling used here, I wanna pronounce it "brag-go" instead of "brag-gət". Anyway, this stuff pours a clear brass-amber topped by a finger of relatively short-lived off-cream-white foam. The nose comprises honey-dripped biscuit, perfume-y white grapes, and cracked wheat. The taste brings in more of the same, though the grapes are a touch on the oaked chardonnay side now (rather than the bold sweetness from the smell), and a vein of funky wood-like wheat spiking through it all. The body is a light medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a fluid feel. Overall, a decent enough braggot, but one that leaves me with a slightly odd taste in my mouth. I like seeing the style getting out there again, though...

Serving type: bottle

11-22-2012 20:15:03 | More by TMoney2591
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brentk56

North Carolina

3.33/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Appearance: Pours a clear honey color (surprise!) with a modest head that leaves traces of lace

Smell: Very very subtle aroma of bread and a touch of honey

Taste: Starts with a slightly sweet bready flavor, with a growing vegetable element by mid-palate; after the swallow the sweet and grainy flavors build modestly

Mouthfeel: Light to medium body with moderate carbonation

Drinkability: I have had homebrewed braggot before so I have a fair idea what the style entails; this one is underwhelming

Serving type: bottle

10-24-2007 02:26:15 | More by brentk56
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brewcrew76

Wisconsin

3.38/5  rDev 0%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A - Pours a brilliantly clear golden orange, honey like, with a thin head that disappeared immediately.

S - Honey with a touch grain.

T - Sweet honey with a grainy malt taste and hints of apple in the background. Having brewed a honey pale ale myself it tastes like honey is the dominant flavor in this one.

M - Light and slightly sticky on the teeth. Very easy to drink.

D - A nice take on a not so common style. I hope 2 Bros continues to keep the Artisan collection interesting.

Serving type: bottle

08-18-2007 02:08:34 | More by brewcrew76
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emerge077

Illinois

3.43/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Named after the 1st modern astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus, and his heliocentric model of the solar system.

Poured into a snifter, it reflects a deep amber jewel tone. Two fingers of foam at first, but it soon fades to a bare skim. Spotty lacing eventually forms. Aroma is grainy, very mildly phenolic.

Buttered popcorn, sunflower seeds, and a vague notion of honey all settle into a tacky, malty profile. Thin in mouthfeel, seedy aftertaste.

A bomber can be finished solo, but it leaves something to be desired. Points for creativity...

Brewer's Notes: It is half mead (fermented honey) and half beer. We used all locally produced Sunflower honey from the Naperville area.

Serving type: bottle

08-02-2007 03:03:31 | More by emerge077
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Heliocentric Bragot from Two Brothers Brewing Company
78 out of 100 based on 53 ratings.