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Heliocentric Bragot - Two Brothers Brewing Company

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53 Ratings
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Ratings: 53
Reviews: 39
rAvg: 3.38
pDev: 16.27%
Wants: 4
Gots: 1 | FT: 0
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Two Brothers Brewing Company visit their website
Illinois, United States

Style | ABV
Braggot |  7.50% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes/Commercial Description:
This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.

(Beer added by: emerge077 on 08-02-2007)
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illini4x4


4/5  rDev +18.3%

11-12-2012 01:12:44 | More by illini4x4
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imperialking

Illinois

3.5/5  rDev +3.6%

02-10-2012 04:25:50 | More by imperialking
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unclejimbay

Florida

4.22/5  rDev +24.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Heliocentric Bragot
Two Brothers Brewing Company
Style: Braggot
ABV: 7.50 %
Bottles notes: 7.5% abv, 12 ibus, 16.5' Plato
'The earth revolves around the sun, sunflower honey that is.."

Special thanks to kstrickler for this bottle of what looks to be a 32 month old Braggot. Honey ales/wines are supposted to be best with age, so I believe this may be a good time to review this brew. The earliest review I see was 8/2007, it was brewed only once, and I am reviewing it on 3/7/2010. I have been wanting to try a braggot for awhile now, so this is a fine treat. I hombrew a Cream Ale recipe with 30% honey and this is the closest think I have had to braggot. I have had mead before as a reference as an FYI.

Appearance is a golden/orange honey color, excellent 2 finger fluffy head & collar. Mild chill haze as poured.
Aroma has noticeable dry mead/honey aroma, with a mild dash of booze sneaks in form the higher abv.
The one tastes EXACTLY as I would expect a true Braggot to taste. Dominant dry mead character, followed by palt malt on palate. A true hybrid abv beer dosed with a mead/honey backbone. Some mild sweetness trys to sneak in, but it is quickly dominated by the alcohol warming on your palate.

This drank very well as a ~3 year old Braggot. I enjoyed it for an example of the style. Closest summary I could describe it as is a "hybrid imperial cream ale mixed with a strong dose of dry mead character". I would guess the higher ABV notes may have not been the best if drank young, but I think the extra time has rounded this out to a fine Braggot. It is now official that Braggot is not my one of my favorite styles, but I can appreciatte it in a "Cream Ale" like context. I officially dislike mead, but I can now say I open to drink Braggot if available.

Now I am curious to see if any other reviews pop up over time. As of today 3/9/10 there are 3 "wants" and no "gots" that exist for this brew.
I would be surprised if this was the last bottle of this batch, but I will not be surprised if this is the last review ever.

Anyhoots, I guess I can wait and see. Thanks again to kstrickler for this rare opportunity!

Serving type: bottle

03-08-2010 19:11:08 | More by unclejimbay
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beckje01

Minnesota

3.1/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A- Gold color with lots of activity and a thin white head.

S- Some sweetness and a touch of straw.

T- Slight sweet honey then a nice wheat flavor. It's a good balance and is very drinkable.

M- Nice activity really sets off the flavor.

D- Very drinkable.

Serving type: bottle

12-01-2008 07:56:27 | More by beckje01
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WanderingFool

Massachusetts

3.5/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Heliocentric Bragot pours a slightly hazy golden yellow color into the glass with a big, white fluffy head on top. The foam dissolves slowly to a thick ring around the surface of the beer leaving behind a fair amount of lace on the sides of the glass. Several streams of bubbles are seen rising to the top from the bottom of the glass. It reminds me of an upside down snow flurry.

The aroma has light fruity notes of grapes and a hint of clove. It seems more like a white wine than a beer. Each sip of this medium bodied beer feels dry on the palate with a good amount of fizzy carbonation that tingles the tip of the tongue.

The flavor is somewhat fruity with some spice and malt mixed in. It begins with notes of white grapes and lemon zest. Towards the middle there's a mild spicyness that seems peppery. It finishes dry and sweet with some alcohol notes mixed in. I couldn't really taste any honey, but perhaps that's what was in the sweet finish. Once gone some of the spicy flavor lingers on the palate.

I'm not really sure what I was expecting with this beer. It reminded me more of a Belgian ale than other bragots I've tried.

Serving type: bottle

11-27-2008 16:54:52 | More by WanderingFool
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IBUnit63

Massachusetts

3.53/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Froma 750 into a Cab glass. Have seen issues with dating on 12 oz. bottles - let's see how this is...

Pours a clean, dark natural honey color with solid effervescence and thin, yeasty head.

Strong apple and sparkling wine (not quite champagne) on the nose with lots of mild, slightly sweeet honey. Ample carbonation keeps this one bright.

On the first wave this is very light and austere compared to the nose of it all. Also starts out a little tinny but apple and honey are both still there. A bit dry but decent. Cleans up a bit with warmth.

When cold it's crsp and clean, no caffeine...rather calm for carbonation level, which is a good thing. As this slows up towards room temperature it does circle back to a metal feel with a little more of an alcohol burn.

This is a tweener - when cold the flavors aren't as pronounced as we want but warmth sends it a little bit overboard. Very interesting and decently-made effort that drinks OK early but gravitates towards an uphill battle, albeit a reasonably pleasant one.

Serving type: bottle

09-12-2008 06:35:40 | More by IBUnit63
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Slynger

Illinois

3.8/5  rDev +12.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Clear orangey color with a golden honey hue to it and a big lid of fluffy ivory colored fuzz.

The nose is light, but brings some honey and pale malt sweetness with a hint of apple and some musty, earthy hops.

The flavor is much better. It's gentle but very tasty. Some honeyed lemon and pale malts with hints of green apple as well. The hops are musty and lightly bitter/spicy and grassy-earthy. Solid medium body with a big fuzzy-tingly carb that tickles a bit.

It's a tasty and unique beer and I definitely enjoyed it. It has some room for improvement, but I definitely wouldn't mind drinking it again.

Serving type: bottle

08-14-2008 05:03:21 | More by Slynger
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cvstrickland

North Carolina

3.48/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

The drink pours honey-gold with a huge white head that retains very well and leaves foamy rings of lacing on the glass.

Smell is sweet and spicy with an herbal bite.

Taste is honey-sweet and spicy with quite a bit of alcohol heat.

Nice drink, but so sweet it has to be a sipper for me.

Serving type: bottle

07-20-2008 13:36:08 | More by cvstrickland
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mikesgroove

South Carolina

3.9/5  rDev +15.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I have had a few Braggots in my day, so I was stoked when I saw this one come in the mail a bit ago. I decided to open it last night as I was in the mood for a little something different. Nice 220z bottle was served at cellar temp and poured into an over sized wine glass. The initial pour looked like thinned out liquid honey. A god amount of carbonation was visible through the mostly transparent liquid. It really had a ver nice golden shine to it, just as a braggot should with a decent amount of head on top. A one finger high layer of white froth came over the top and faded own to a thin crown that only stuck to the sides of the glass leaving a bare top. Some side glass lacing, esecially when swirled coated the glass. Pretty good look.

The aroma was richly sweet as you would expect. Tons of honey and almost what semed like lavender or flower touches mixed in. Hints of grain and light fruit mixed in, but to be honest it was a little light and could have used that little extra push to make it pop. The flavor was much better though. The initial rush of honey coming across the tongue coated very nicely, and the hints of a touch of grape it seemed liked in the middle, it was sone kind of light fruit. Lots of grain and wheat like flavors mixed in with that hone sweetness. The finish was pretty good, with a peppery like spiceness becoming very predominant and overall really deping the profile. A good feel on this one, as the carbonation was just right and really let the flavors pop. The drinkability was outstanding. There was no dullsness and really did not get tired of the flavor like you can with the style sometimes. No hint of the alcohol made this a nice, light sipper.

Overall this was not my favorite braggot by any means, though I would say it would be in the top five for sure. It was a more then solid effort with a very nice overall profile and a lightness to it that really let you drink the bottle without issue. This is definitly something I would like to try again.

Serving type: bottle

05-25-2008 18:03:37 | More by mikesgroove
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maximum12

Minnesota

2.78/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

My first encounter with a Bragot - appears there isn't much in the way of variety of this beer being brewed these days. Heck, I'd never even heard of it. Neither my wife nor I can recall where or why this ended up in the fridge.

Looks like honey, smells like honey, very sweet, almost no head in either pour out of a 22 oz. bomber.

Taste is sweet but funky. No bite at all, & dead flat, practicaly zero carbonation. There's a lingering aftertaste of licking a goat that doesn't agree with my palate. Strange since the up-front taste is almost sickly, Mike Hard-type sweet.

Mouthfeel is OK, drinkability drops as I go down the glass. The sweetness is too much to drink more than one, & the unpleasant aftertaste worsens with every sip. I may need a Bell's Expedition Stout to wash the Heliocentric out of my mouth.

This is my second taste of Two Brothers & I have to say I'm distinctly unimpressed. No urge to try another.

Serving type: bottle

05-22-2008 01:53:16 | More by maximum12
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jeonseh

Indiana

3.18/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

From a bomber poured into a Bell's Tulip glass.

A - Reminds me of looking at a bottle of honey as the color is a deep, clean honey color that radiates golden hues. The beer is slightly reflective. There was no head formation at all as only a trail of white bubbles sat on the side of the glass.

S - The nose was barely noticeable at all. I could really only notice a slight hint of honey mixed with orange and lemon.

T - The first taste sensation is a light hint of sweet candied orange. After that, a hint of bitterness attempts to shine through yet the honey comes in and sweetens up your mouth before the bitterness has a chance to take hold. There was also a light hint of lemon which seems to come and go randomly throughout the tasting session. Overall, the taste is alright but not great. Have to say this was fruitier than I expected and there was not really a honey taste as much as a slight hint of honey. Actually reminded me a bit of a tripel that had a honey, instead of a bread and yeast backbone to it.

MF - Lightly carbonation comes through after the beer sits dead on the tongue for a few seconds. A bit watery for my tastes and the afterfeeling leaves a light astringent tingle on the tongue.

D - overall an okay beer that I give 2 Bros props for trying. Really not that much honey is in it at all as the citrus flavors really seemed to dominate. Worth a try but I was not the least bit sad to see that it was a one time limited offering.

Serving type: bottle

05-20-2008 14:44:56 | More by jeonseh
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NEhophead

Massachusetts

3/5  rDev -11.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

22 fl oz brown bottle; served in an oversized wine glass.

Slightly hazy, light copper in color. Thin, white head that fades to a pool of bubbles almost immediately. A few spots of lacing with average strength.

Slick, malted wheat aroma with notes of honey and vanilla. Whaffs of musty astringency over toasted, adjunctory grains. Apple and peach esters.

Green apple, pear acidity up-front. Lightly malted wheat with a mild honey and vanilla sweetness. Bland, airy, grain-based middle with notes of lingering tartness and slick alcohol.

Light, medium in body; mildly slick, but more grainy and airy than anything.

A disappointing 'Braggot'. More like a Pale Wheat Ale with a touch of artificial honey. Obviously not a brew I'll be returning to.

Serving type: bottle

03-30-2008 21:40:12 | More by NEhophead
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SPLITGRIN

Kentucky

4.1/5  rDev +21.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This is the first bragot I've tried to my knowledge so I am going into this very open minded. Pours to a honey amber colored body that looks almost sticky sweet. Head reaches an inch of off white foam with a vigorous pour, but it quickly fades to just a scattered skim. nose has tones of sweet buttery fruit and rich carmalived malt. Enters the mouth super clean with alcost a creamy hue. At first thought it really reminds me of a Octoberfest style with nice even malty richness to the body of this beer. Biscuty flavors meld well, with the beer delivering both refreshment and decently robust satisfaction. A very solid beer. 7.5% alchol is super well hidden, as I would call this a session brew. This is a very interesting brew as the sunflower honey is laced throughout the palate and mouthfeel. Drinkability is wonderful.

Serving type: bottle

03-16-2008 22:37:29 | More by SPLITGRIN
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ajmoody76

Illinois

3.85/5  rDev +13.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

my sister brought this to me from the chicago burbs. my brother in law loves this beer. 22 ounce bottle to an imperial pint glass. light amber color. clear. one finger white head. looks good.

earthy hop aroma. sweetness and fruity also. no off odors.

honey sweet with some hop bitterness. some toasty flavors. warm aftertaste.

good carbonation. meduim body. nice lace. good beer. be careful- 7.5%abv. no session. i would like to have another. my first braggot. i liked it.

Serving type: bottle

03-08-2008 20:00:01 | More by ajmoody76
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ChainGangGuy

Georgia

2.45/5  rDev -27.5%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Appearance: Pours a clear, orange-yellow body with a thin, white head.

Smell: Nose reminiscient of a tall can of Camo High Gravity with only minor honey notes.

Taste: Sweet, honeyish taste with a blending of Steel Reserve and Evil Eye that lasts until the finish. Well, I can't exactly say that was pleasant.

Mouthfeel: Medium-bodied. Medium carbonation. Tongue-coating mouthfeel.

Drinkability: Nothing to bragot about.

Serving type: bottle

02-17-2008 19:00:49 | More by ChainGangGuy
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BuckeyeNation

Iowa

2.98/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Heliocentric would look more heliocentric (sun-centered) if it was bright gold rather than bright tangerine orange. The perfectly pristine liquid is topped by two fingers of yellowish ivory foam that looks attractive enough and is beginning to lay down thin, tattered sheets of lace.

Sorry to say, the aroma is pretty close to AWOL. Multiple sniffs deliver nothing more than pale malt (I guess) and the vaguest hint of musky fruitiness. Shouldn't a braggot smell like honey? If not, shouldn't it smell like... something? To be fair, a wee whiff of honey arrives eventually.

At least there's *something* for my taste buds to work with, although not a whole helluva lot. This is my first braggot, but it isn't at all what was expected. Of course, it's possible that this is just a lousy version. There goes my excitement at trying a new style.

The flavor is reminiscent of a cream ale with a higher than usual ABV. Actually, most good cream ales have more flavor than this. Let's see... sweetened pale malt, a subtle fruitiness and a few drops of honey (if I'm being extremely generous). This stuff needs a flavor hook in the worst way.

The mouthfeel is light-medium and is gently carbonated. Something more full would be better, though I really have no idea what a braggot should feel like. A little more flavor appears with warming, which results in slightly higher taste and drinkability scores.

Two Brothers Heliocentric Bragot is still a letdown that I refuse to let color my opinion of the braggot style. Maybe the brewers can take this one back to the drawing board. Keep the name and label please. They're perfect.

Serving type: bottle

02-12-2008 15:14:12 | More by BuckeyeNation
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AndoBrew

Georgia

2.35/5  rDev -30.5%
look: 2 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

*did not like, would not buy*

app: clear pale gold, not magic, bland looking.

smell: some stale cooked meats cloud some other odd hop malt mixed aromas.

taste: not very good, nannas, sweet gold malt, some almost trash. some grass, but old grass. odd, not yummy.

mf: fine!

drinkable?: for how not yummy it is, yes.

Serving type: bottle

01-13-2008 02:40:44 | More by AndoBrew
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Westsidethreat

California

3.23/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

A: Extemely fizzy like soda. Carbonation chills out after a while, leaving a weak off white film across the top of the body. Decent bit of bubbles proceed to the surface from the bottom of the glass. Body is a clean and sterile mandarin color.

S: Clover honey, biscuits, yellow apples and cider.

T: Starts off mildly sweet and sour at the some time at the front of the palate. Honey is predominant but not cloying. Its actually not a bad flavor…but some off flavors follow it up. Slightly dirty flavor shows up, and I think the only reason you taste them is because the other flavors are so subtle. Delicate floral components come next with nectar qualities following suite. Finishes sort of grainy. Grainy flavors usually go away after you drink the beer for a while, but this one isn’t. Finishes with grainy flavors and lingering honey.

M: Medium body, soft mouthfeel.

D: I’m coming to the conclusion the bragots aren’t one of my favorite styles. Perhaps I just haven’t been drinking the right ones. Very subtle flavors at work here, and I’d imagine it takes master craftsmanship to perfect this type of beer. Dunno.

Serving type: bottle

12-01-2007 02:19:40 | More by Westsidethreat
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orbitalr0x

Illinois

3.68/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22oz bomber. Brewed with local sunflower honey. Pours into my glass a deep golden honey color with great clarity. A small bubbly white head on top with mellow active carbonation. Aromas start with a toasted, slightly caramelized grain along with big floral notes. The honey is quite evident and brings in a sweetness as well. Somewhat earthy with a subtle fruity quality.

First sip brings a toasted grain caramel malt upfront that moves into fruity, floral flavors. Midway through the honey becomes quite evident. It brings a sweet, earthy tone to the beer. Somewhat bready with just a hint of grassy bitterness on the finish and a lingering honey afterthought.

Mouthfeel is medium bodied with a slick quality to the brew. Mellow carbonation works well. The honey seems to add an interesting twist, but overall the beer is refreshing and probably better suited for summer then this cold winter night. Overall, I could see myself enjoying a bottle of this on occasion and hopefully they will brew it again sometime. Cheers to Two Brothers for always bringing something unique with the Artisan series.

Serving type: bottle

11-28-2007 01:18:41 | More by orbitalr0x
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Viggo

Ontario (Canada)

3.75/5  rDev +10.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottled picked up by Lexx.

Pours a clear amber, thin white head forms, no lacing, settles to a thin ring. Smell is sweet, some floral honey, caramel, cereal/oats, grass, very clean aroma, light but nice. Taste is honey, clovers, floral and grass, cereal/oats, bit of bread with a sweet honey aftertaste. Mouthfeel is medium to full bodied with low to medium carbonation. Not bad, on the lighter side of braggots I've had but still enjoyable.

Serving type: bottle

11-21-2007 18:06:26 | More by Viggo
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brentk56

North Carolina

3.33/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Appearance: Pours a clear honey color (surprise!) with a modest head that leaves traces of lace

Smell: Very very subtle aroma of bread and a touch of honey

Taste: Starts with a slightly sweet bready flavor, with a growing vegetable element by mid-palate; after the swallow the sweet and grainy flavors build modestly

Mouthfeel: Light to medium body with moderate carbonation

Drinkability: I have had homebrewed braggot before so I have a fair idea what the style entails; this one is underwhelming

Serving type: bottle

10-24-2007 02:26:15 | More by brentk56
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sopclod

Illinois

2.75/5  rDev -18.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

I had no prior experience with anything mead related, but I'll give my impressions anyway.

To me this beer was kind of flat and watery. It really had no complexity, and not much flavor at all. It wasn't BAD, but it's very... boring. I guess there's alcohol in it, but I couldn't tell.

I would be interested to try a traditional mead, but I sure hope it's a better experience than this. I'm glad I tried it, but I probably won't be buying this again.

Serving type: bottle

10-22-2007 18:08:06 | More by sopclod
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Vancer

Illinois

3.5/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

First, and most likely, the only braggot I’ll have. It certainly is better than a sweet ass mead type, but the style doesn’t do it for me – still to sweet, perhaps this is a desert beer.

Clear amber with almost no white head. Aroma is a weak blond ale type, not much of anything there, it’s like sniffing a honey jar. Taste was kinda a plain jane too, just some bits of a earthy wood, red ale style. 7.8%

Surprisingly dry and crisp, but with that sweetish finish. This may be a perfect braggot, I donno, so I’ll go with all 3.5s

Serving type: bottle

09-23-2007 16:38:31 | More by Vancer
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cokes

Wisconsin

1.73/5  rDev -48.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.5

Clear pale bronze with a spotty ivory lace.
Nose of toasted grain, rubber, and wet yellow dandelions.
It's all obese blonde ale once it hits the mouth, with a sense of dilute grain, corn, starchy yeast and tempered, grassy hops and traces of iron. Honey only barely makes an impression, and it's very vague and towards the close. Then again, I always get a honey impression from grain alcohol, and that's what I get here.
Medium bodied with moments of vapidness and moments of clingy cloying grab. If you were to make an Imperial Blonde/Cream Ale, this is about what it would taste like. And realistically, this should be bottle in 40ozs and sold for $1.29. A braggot this is not.

Serving type: bottle

09-21-2007 08:00:14 | More by cokes
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rhoadsrage

Illinois

2.98/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

(Served in a dimple mug)

A- This beer has a crystal clear light amber body with a strong carbonation of big bubbles. There is a snow white head that disappears soon after the beer is poured.

S- The note of light pale malt has a cider smell that is a little tangy. The smell is pretty clean overall.

T- The taste of pale malt and field corn comes through with a dry honey note and finishes with a light sweetness. As the beer warms the notes of biscuit malt and white wine come through along with a slight metallic taste.

M- This beer has a light and airy mouthfeel with a watery texture in the finish.

D- The flavors of beer are not very interesting and the mead flavors are very faint and not that interesting. So when they are blended it still tastes rather bland and uneventful. I like this style and this beer didn’t have the qualities that I look for or much taste at all.

Serving type: bottle

09-09-2007 15:14:10 | More by rhoadsrage
Heliocentric Bragot from Two Brothers Brewing Company
78 out of 100 based on 53 ratings.