Moaten - Two Brothers Brewing Company

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Ratings: 124
Reviews: 99
rAvg: 3.11
pDev: 19.94%
Wants: 4
Gots: 2 | FT: 0
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Two Brothers Brewing Company visit their website
Illinois, United States

Style | ABV
Flanders Red Ale |  6.00% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: Nickls on 07-31-2009

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Photo of wyattshotmaker
3.3/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

poured into a tulip, nice deep brownish red with an okay head and lacing. nose is slightly tart cherries, bit of oak.

taste has some initial sweetness followed by some tart fruit/cherry flavor with hints of oak and vanilla laced throughout. some lingering oak in the finish. not very sour.

mouthfeel is good, somewhat light bodied.

could have been more sour.

Photo of jjanega08
3.56/5  rDev +14.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A= the pour yeilds a deep amber color that verges on a brown shade but doesn't male it. The head is about two fingers and lingers around for quite a while leaving nice sheets of lacing on my glass. The head is an off white color that falls to a rocky beauty.
S= sour apples in the smell with some cherries as well. A small amount of funkyness is in there but not much. A little bit of a sweet maltyness that is sort of dumbed down to just plain sweet with no other odor.
T= very minimal on the sour and more heavy on a little funky. I get the cherries and some apple taste but mostly it feels like I just licked a bettery. Not the shock part but the aftertaste of licking a bettery. A little apple juicy and lots of metallic battery taste. Not bad or aweful but just a little different. Not the best and not too sour at all but not bad.
M= really smooth and soft. Not a lot of carbonation just a nice soft smooth mellow feel.
D= pretty good. I'm hoping to buy another one of these to age. The sour taste just isn't as much as I was hoping and maybe it will pick it up a little. Good beer and as I said I'm gonna buy it again but its really nothing special.

Photo of vrazionale
3.72/5  rDev +19.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12.7 oz. bottle at refrigerator temperature poured into a snifter.

A - Pours a hazy rusty brown body with a thin layer of off-white head that quickly recedes to the edges.

S - Oaky vanilla, cherry, brown sugar, musty wild-yeast funk, apple cider vinegar, musky sweat, and old leather. Pleasant, dirty, and dark. Develops a spicy profile as it warms.

T - The attack is well-balanced between tart and sweet, but the finish has a clumsy, lingering sweetness. The oak flavors are subtle but pleasing - vanilla, cherry, and caramelized sugar all make their quiet presence felt.

M - I know that Flanders reds generally don't have effervescent carbonation, but this could use a slight increase in its carbonation - as it is, the brew feels sticky and cloying, and could use some carbonation to lift this feeling off of the palate.

D - Fans of Flanders red ales might not find anything terrifically exciting here, but still a very respectable and drinkable brew. I'd pair this brew with a hunk of Stichelton to help bring out some of the musty and spicy flavors in the brew.

Photo of orbitalr0x
2.75/5  rDev -11.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Not much pop when the cork is pulled. Deep clear dark garnet pour with only a few bubbles on top that becomes a ring quickly. Aromas of semi sweet caramel malts and toasty accents. Cherries and fruit with a very mild oaky backbone. Toffee flirts in as well.

First sip brings sweet malts upfront with toffee and bready notes. Fruit flavors with some cherry and grape. No real oak or tartness in the flavor at all. Tastes more like an amber to me than anything. The only differential is the fruitiness. Finishes with a mellow sweetness.

Mouthfeel is medium bodied and a bit slick. Mellow carbonation. Overall it was a bit hard for me to finish. A bit of a mess and not near what I want in a Flemish red.

Photo of fropones
3.43/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Had this one on tap at the Blind Pig Brewery in downtown Champaign.
Poured a nice dark read with minimal head. The smell was slightly sweet, some vinegar and cherries. Pretty mild smell. The taste had some mild vinegar and cherries again, but overall wasn't very sour. It was more sour than a normal beer, but it was way less sour than it should be. Mouthfeel was watery with light carbonation, slightly syrupy. Drinkable, except I was hoping for something mouthwateringly sour.

Photo of spointon
3.72/5  rDev +19.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I had this one on tap at The Auld Dubliner in Bolingbrook, IL last night - poured into a wine glass.

A= This ale poured a deep russet red/brown color with pretty much zero head but an obvious tiny bubble carbonation release. No lacing of note.

S= Smelled of fruity tartness and malty sweetness. Some light phenolics in there too as well as a hint of spice.

T= Sort of a light malt, tart thing going on here. The malt base was slightly caramelly but certainly stayed in the background. The tart notes were reminiscent of cherry, plum, and wood. Mildly vinous. Finished dry and tart.

MF= Medium body with a light but crisp mouthfeel.

D= A decent flanders red for sure, but it was certainly on the subdued end of things. Very tasty all the same.

Photo of bmwats
3.5/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a snifter.

A: Medium light brown. Slight white head. Leaves nice beer ring lacing.

S: Lightly sweet malty nose with bay leaf and clove.

T: Light syrupy sweet malt. A little pungent. Like an iced tea, but slightly sour.

M: Kinda' light body, but full flavor. A little watered-down feel though. The pungent aftertaste remains.

D: Good balance, nice drinker.

Pretty solid appearance, and a really interesting, but full and pleasing nose. Sweet and sour flavor. Overall, this is a really good quaff.

Photo of BDLbrewster
3.27/5  rDev +5.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Pours a ruby hued dirty brown color. Transparent with very little head, coating sheet of lacing and some visible carbonation are also present.

I pick up mild oak on the front of the nose. There are some sour lactic notes but they are very subtle. The more i stick my nose into this one, the more gymsock I pick up. Some fruity odors also make a stand, over ripe pear and strawberry or maybe cherry come to mind.

The flavor is not as potent as the smell makes you think it would be. Some fruity, woody cherry right off the bat, followed by uber mellow sour notes that never make a full frontal appearance. Not very tart, not really tart at all. The initial cherry flavor tricks you into thinking that it's going to be, but it never gets there. Some bitterness in the finish, but mainly watery.

Mouthfeel is thin and light bodied, there is very little carbonation but that seems to be a good thing here.

The taste is very unoffensive and balanced. That being said, it doesn't really fall into the stylistic guidelines. Great brew, just not up to par with the style. I could drink gallons of this if the opportunity presented itself.

Photo of ffejherb
3.55/5  rDev +14.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

On tap at Two Brothers on 8/9/09.

A - Copper/amber-colored body with reddish hues, akin to iced tea, with a wispy off-white head that settled into a thin ring and spotty lacing.

S - Oaky and woody notes with subtle cherry tartness and a hint of berry sweetness. There's also a slight medicinal quality to the aroma. Pretty muted aroma overall. I expected more of a tart character and more woody notes.

T - Flavor is surprisingly quite tame, with subtle traces of tart cherries and a hint of oak and wood. There's also an inkling of fruity sweetness reminiscent of strawberries. Light syrupy notes suggest sweet caramel and toffee. Finishes with subtle hop bitterness.

M - Medium body with soft carbonation and a light syrupy texture, although kind of watery overall. Mild hint of sourness on the palate, but quite restrained.

D - Not bad, but very restrained. This definitely could have been much more fragrant and flavorful, especially given the style description. Still, it was a pretty tasty brew overall.

Photo of paco1029384756
2.33/5  rDev -25.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Pours a deep ruby color with a small head and uneven ring of lacing.

Scent of dry oak, ash, apples and sugar. Not particularly appealing and unbalanced.

Taste of caramel, bland malts, and oak. Tastes somewhat like apple juice, not good.

It was somewhat of a chore to finish this.

Photo of botham
3.03/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

bottle poured into a tasting glass. pours a reddish amber with a single finger of eggshell colored head with no retention or lacings.

aroma is grassy with distant fruit and some yeast. somewhat stale in the nose without any real flanders-red-like characteristics. a distant funk and a lightly meaty note round out the profile. upon some warming, the bottle smells quite skunked.

taste is lightly fruity with a light sour note and skunky grassy notes. mildly bland without much character. this may need some time to age, but nothing about it indicates that it will be much better with time.

mouthfeel is medium bodied with a bland ad lightly tart texture.

drinkability is decent. somewhat bland without much for the palate or nose. age this one for a while and see what happens; hopefully it gets better, because this was far from being a great Flanders Red.

Photo of LilBeerDoctor
3.38/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Reviewed on 7/31/2009. On tap at Blind Tiger, NYC. This beer pours a deep reddish brown with no head. Aroma of sweet malt but indistinct. Flavor of sweet candies, slight sour oakiness, very spicy actually. Bland but decent. But it's not very sour really.

Photo of TubaManJack
3.92/5  rDev +26%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

At the Tap House in a standard pint glass.

Appearance- A standard clear brown amber body. A limited amount of tan head, which dissipates. Decent lacing on the glass and a bit of carbonation apparent.
Smell- A bit of funk between tartness and horse blanket. A bit of deep fruit. Any grain scent was well suppressed.
Taste- Restrained sourness held back by tartness. A light blend of dark dried fruit helped counter the stronger textbook amber ale body.
Mouthfeel- Smooth with only a touch of carbonation. It also has a slight tart finish.
Drinkability- This is my first of the style so I don't know how it compares, however it was a solid beer. It was a great balance between something drinkable and slightly complex. Great beer.

Photo of tempest
3.1/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Thanks to Keith for sharing. I have to say, this is no Flanders Red Ale. It's not bad beer, but it's bad for the style. There's just a dry, slightly sour note and a sauerkraut aroma. There's a touch or caramel and cocoa notes, not very fruity. I'm not sure what's going on here, but it just comes off like a dry amber ale with a little Belgian influence.

Photo of davedahl
3.43/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

In Chicago, the Division St "Small Bar" pours a 10oz to the rim. For five bucks.

-appearance: dark ruby. Filled to the brim (hmm) so no real head. Despite that there's slight lacing.

- smell: slight cherry. Even if I jam my nose waay down into the glass and sniff like I'm getting paid for it I only get a little cherry. And a light head.

- taste: soapy cherries, slight sourness. Maybe a little "lemonade" flavor after a long pull.

- mouthfeel: very light, almost crisp, very dry with almost zero aftertaste

- drinkability: this is poundable. Too poundable.

- overall: would be much better with more sour and more residual sugar. "You know why I buy the expensive coffee? Cause I like to taste my coffee". </end poor reference to pulp fiction>

Photo of Vonerichs
3.58/5  rDev +15.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I'll start by saying I'm not versed in the style, but this was an enjoyable beer. I understand from other reviews this may not be a good representation of the style.

Pours a mohagany color with a one finger head despite an aggressive pour.

There's a strong malt presence in the smell that gives way to a combonation of cherry and a belgian yeast.

The taste is slightly tannic and tart, but I was expecting more of a sourness. The predominant tastes are a fruity ester of dark cherries and a yeast twang. The malt has a heafty presence, too. There's a subtle wood taste from the oak, but it's very light.

Mouthfeel is slightly acidic and well carbonated. Finish is crisp.

Good flavor and I was not picking up much alcohol. I enjoyed drinking this and found it easy to consume.

Kudos to the bros for exploring new styles and being creative. I wish I had a baseline to compare it to. I understand from others this may not be an accurate representation of a Flanders Red, but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

Photo of BeerFMAndy
4.25/5  rDev +36.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12.7 corked bottle poured into a Unibroue Tulip. No date or info to be seen.

A - This clear ruby brown ale poured moderately only produced a one-finger head. Creamy and pale tan, it had so-so retention but left a thin layer throughout and small spots of lacing.

S - An acidic and sour yeasty aroma pours out with lots of nuances to be discovered. A very fruity background slight off-sets the sour aroma. Pale malts and light wheat in the grist. Plum and light peach with a dark cherry are muted coming out more after some agitation. Light woody and earth tones with a bit of dry straw and horseblanket.

T - On a deep first gulp it brought instant acidity and sourness to the table but it's complexities run much deeper. Dark cherries and plums, like the aroma, are there with a yeasty lightly buttery, dough malt backbone. It's not as sour as I was expecting for my first Flanders but it's definitely different. Based on style guidelines, it's incredibly solid.

M - Creamy as churned butter and smooth as velvet, this beer goes down very nicely and does a nice throat-coating. The acidity gives it a sour finish.

D - If you can get passed the light sour flavor (which isn't bad at all) it's a very good and drinkable beer with great complexities woven in the background. Great collaboration brew!

Photo of barnzy78
3.36/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

On tap at Two Brothers Tap House - Warrenville, IL

Poured ruby reddish-brown - more red when held to the light - with a delicate, fluffy off-white head that held decent retention and left spotty lacing on the side of the glass. Tastes and aromas were similarly tart but sweet with notes of cherry, vanilla, and plum, with hints of raisins and spice from the Belgian yeast. Sourness was present, but not as I expected. Tartness was also less than anticipated. Mouth-feel was medium bodied with moderate carbonation. I am fairly unfamiliar with the style, but I did expect more of an astringency that seemed to be missing. Still an enjoyable collaboration nonetheless.

Photo of jwinship83
3.38/5  rDev +8.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

375ml corked and caged bottle poured into my duvel tulip glass.

A- this one pours a murky reddish brown with a small fleeting khaki colored head. tiny spots of lacing are left on the sides of my glass.

S- not what i was expecting. very subdued vinegar. a little bit of cherries and plenty of oak.

T- not really sour. pretty misleading. slightly acidic, lots of cherries and oak. spicy yeast.

M- medium bodied with a high level of carbonation.

D- the "sour red ale" on the label is basically false advertising. kind of expensive for what it is. glad i tried it, but i dont think i will be paying for this again.

Photo of GbVDave
4.1/5  rDev +31.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a corked and caged, 12.7oz bottle into a Mikkeller tulip.

A: Pours a rusty, reddish-brown with a 1/2 finger of off-white cream perched on top. Retention was fleeting and what was quickly left was a thin ring that left a few layers of pretty lace behind.

S: Aromas of cherries, sodden oak, spices, and fruity yeast. No nose hair curling scents of sour vinegar were to be sniffed, but this was very pleasing in its' own way.

T: Black cherry, spices, fruity yeast, oak, and toasty malt. Not sour or puckery on the least, but again, very pleasant.

M: Starts sweet and quickly some peppery spices kick in. As the bottom of the glass quickly approached, I found a bit of cherry tartness during the middle. The finish continued the fruity theme but took a turn towards the dry side.

D: I don't know if this turned out the way 2 Bros. & Urthel intended. But who cares? What they turned out is incredibly drinkable. Neither brewery is really known for their sours (yeah, ok 10 from 2 Bros. was awesome but that was a one off from a while ago) so I think some folks may have set their expectations a little too high?

Photo of emerge077
3.13/5  rDev +0.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Purrs into a Duvel tulip with a finger of off white latte foam. A broken skim appears on the surface after a couple minutes. First whiff from the bottle was a minerally wet stone smell, now it's just a nondescript Belgian brown ale aroma, nothing especially funky or sour about it.

Taste is estery from the yeast, some weak cherry, both hefty malt and yeast presence. Malt flavor has a bit of stale graininess to it. Watery and thin... Maybe .02% sour. It's more of a cherry Belgian Brown Ale than Flanders Red. Maybe it needs more time in the barrel...the Opus 10 was barrel-aged and one of my favorite 2 Bros. brews, but "Oak Aged Sour" on the label is misleading.

This is the biggest "unsour" sour ale letdown since Dark Kriek from New Belgium. Not worth trying again, unless they put out a truly sour batch.

Photo of MasterSki
3.43/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Cask at the Long Room - served in a tulip.

A - A pinky finger of off-white foam that dissipates quickly. Transparent orange-red color. Not much in the way of lacing. It's what I'd expect from a cask Flanders red.

S - Some floral hops, sweet cherries, green apples, horsey funk, sweet malts, but not much in they way of sourness. Tastes like a Belgian blonde inoculated with a touch of brett and some cherry flavor.

T - It's like a blend of a blonde ale and a Flanders red - grapes and vinous notes, oaky tannins, and a slight sour aftertaste, but mixed with some biscuity malts and light fruit and floral notes. Interesting, but not entirely successful.

M - Medium body, cask-style texture, with a slight carbonation tingle, and a bit of residua stickiness. Just a little bit lifeless and dull.

D - The tannic aftertaste gets fatiguing - and the beer just doesn't have enough sourness to satisfy my expectations for the style. I was OK with having my one glass, but I won't bother with this one again unless the bottle format is vastly different.

Photo of JohnnyTightLips
2.88/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

On tap at the Grumpy Bulldog for a Two Brothers release party

Appearance: Served in a wine glass, I could of mistaken this for red wine. There was no foam at the head.

Smell: Had a slight cherry, oak like smell that wasn't overwhelming but, kind of faint.

Taste: Not too repeat myself, but this reminded me of red wine but with somewhat of a light carbonation. Had that immediate cherry & oak wood tart taste upfront that faded away. Alcohol taste was pretty light.

Mouthfeel: Wasn't heavy like with dark wine and had a light carbonation feel to it.

Drinkability: This was such an easy beer to drink that I ordered another one, even though I worried about leaving the bar too buzzed beforehand but, the alcohol content was so minimal that my worries diminished. You could drink a couple of these, sans food, without getting into trouble.

Overall: I'm guessing that the people who are looking for a drink that has that WOW factor will be disappointed. I, however enjoyed it. My immediate first thought while tasting it, was that it would be good for people who want to get into craft beers.

Photo of Nickls
3.58/5  rDev +15.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

(From notes - tap at Blind Tiger 7/29/09)

A - Poured with little to no head at all; deep cherrywood color, a little hazy

S - A little tart and vinegary; not very sour much of anything really

T - Light on all aspects; just a touch of tart cherry and a touch yeasty; eh

M - Thinner and virtually no carbonation, another eh

D - Not bad, but not nearly an intriguing brew. If it were beefed up a bit it would have been better drinking.

Overall, not a bad start/base for the style, but just not that great.

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Moaten from Two Brothers Brewing Company
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