Old 1713 - Two Brothers Brewing Company

Not Rated.
Old 1713Old 1713

Educational use only; do not reuse.
BA SCORE
82
good

17 Reviews
THE BROS
-
no score

(Send Samples)
Reviews: 17
Hads: 47
rAvg: 3.61
pDev: 4.71%
Wants: 1
Gots: 3 | FT: 0
Brewed by:
Two Brothers Brewing Company visit their website
Illinois, United States

Style | ABV
Scotch Ale / Wee Heavy |  7.80% ABV

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes & Commercial Description:
Beer added by: emerge077 on 07-15-2012

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

No notes at this time.
Beer: Reviews & Ratings
Sort by:  Recent | High | Low | Top Raters
Reviews: 17 | Hads: 47
Photo of larryarms847
3.67/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Appearance is rust red and rather flat, expected from a scotch ale.

I immediately smell the scotch, Two Brothers didn't even attempt to hide it, not very inviting honestly.

Tastes like scotch and flat beer, too much malt, not enough hop to counteract that fact.

Mouthfeel is a total malt bomb, I'll pass.

Overall I love me some TB, but this was not a good showing from them. (379 characters)

Photo of Brenden
3.79/5  rDev +5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

This brew is a pretty red-brown in color and pretty dense-looking. The tan head is more than moderately sized and completely solid with excellent retention. Lacing remains on the glass via steady patching and some spotting.
This has the Wee Heavy profile and character and does a good job with it, though it could gain from more depth. On a hefty malt support are mostly a variety of big (though not juicy) fruits along with a light metallic note before more specifically dark fruits notes, dates and raisins and maybe soemthing like cherry. There's a little caramel as well. There also seems to be a floral component in the gentle hops bitterness. It doesn't go too sweet or boozy, but I think this is a case in which, in attemptimg balance, a little of the edge was lost. It's still a good beer and a good example of the style.
The maltiness is evident in the body's density and feel; it results in a big, nearly full-bodied beer. It's also both creamy and crisp, and consistently each. (988 characters)

Photo of superspak
3.78/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

22 ounce bottle into snifter, bottled in July 2012. Pours slightly cloudy reddish orange color with a 1-2 finger dense off cream colored head with great retention, that reduces to a thin cap that lingers. Nice spotty soapy lacing clings on the glass. Aromas of caramel, raisin, pear, toast, brown sugar, biscuit, nuttiness, light chocolate, floral, herbal, light pepper, and toasted earthiness. Nice aromas with good balance and complexity of malt with fruity/hop notes; doesn’t smell overly sweet. Taste of caramel, golden raisin, pear, brown sugar, toffee, biscuit, nuttiness, toasted grain, light chocolate, floral, pepper, and toasted earthiness. Light amount of pine bitterness on the finish; with lingering notes of caramel, light fruits, brown sugar, toffee, biscuit, nuttiness, light chocolate, toasted grain, pepper, floral, and earthiness on the finish for a good bit. Very nice balance and complexity of malt/fruity flavors; with moderate floral/spicy hop balance and zero cloying flavors present after the finish. Medium carbonation and body; with a lightly creamy and fairly slick mouthfeel that is good. Alcohol is very well hidden with hardly any warming noticed after the finish. Overall this is a very good scotch ale. Good balance and complexity of malt/fruity flavors; and very smooth to sip on. A nicely enjoyable offering. (1,345 characters)

Photo of WoodBrew
3.69/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

The Old 1713 is a retro release for the two brothers. The beer poured a rich clear amber with thin slightly off-white head that is lacing nicely. The smell was mostly non-existent...some slight caramel malt. The taste starts very malty with hints of caramel....then the hops and alcohol turn the beer slightly bitter which helps to clear the pallet nicely. The mouthfeel was nice....a fuller body with smooth carbonation. Overall it is a nice Scotch Ale. (454 characters)

Photo of Bung
3.53/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

22oz. Pretty clear dark red pour. Layer of white. Laces the glass just a bit.

Aroma, toasted malt, toffee and some herbal hop notes.

Taste, a little herbal and pine up front. Not overbearing really though. A nice toffee, leather, toasted malt the rest of the way. As it warms some pumpernickel and light cocoa comes out.

About mid bodied. Coats enough. Easy to drink with the more balanced than usual nature. Abv is well hidden.

A more balanced rather than malt bomb. I prefer the malt bomb, but this really wasn't bad. (523 characters)

Photo of JohnnyHopps
3/5  rDev -16.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

I consider myself a fan of this style of beer. However, I have never had a Scottish IPA, which is what this one seems like. The hops kill everything I like about a Scottish Ale in this one.

Poured from the bottle into a pint glass, the beer was a murky brown color with little head or carbonation. The aroma was mildly malty, not really an attention getter. I was rather shocked on the initial taste. Expecting the smooth toasted malts, I instead received a jolt of hops like pale ale. By far, this was more hoppy than malty. There is some potential here. Upon their revelation, the dark toasted malts are quite tasty with hints of toffee and biscuit. Unfortunately, the malts are masked. The malts are more apparent in the aftertaste, but this is not what I was expecting. (774 characters)

Photo of mjryan
3.81/5  rDev +5.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I've never been to Scotland. I really haven't had that many Scotish brewed strong ales. The ones I have had were okay, but I suspect time was not on their side. I have however had a good handful of North American brewed versions of strong Scottish ale, and I wonder if this beer misses the mark a bit or if other N. American. versions miss the mark. See, this beer actually has some hops. I'm not talking IPA level hops here, but it certainly has more of them than I've come expect from the style. Generally, I don't like strong Scottish ales. They seem sweet, overly malty and frankly, unpalatable. Seriously, are true Scottish ales essentially low hopped malt bombs? Anyway, this one brings the balance back towards the middle of the balance spectrum. Doggy biscuit, honey and caramel dominate the nose. It's nice and what I expected. Starts sweet, with caramel and light milk chocolate flavours. But wait, there are some hops there. Woody, garden herb and earth (like dirt, but in a forest after an Autumn rain way). Subtle mind you, but that's what I'm getting. Bitterness as well. It's almost drying, but caramel sweetness stills finishes the sip with a touch of chalky bakers chocolate. It's really nice actually. While this beer brings the balance a bit better than most of the others I've had that fall into this style, it's still something of a desert beer. Yeah, try it. It's well made and tasty. (1,406 characters)

Photo of BuckeyeSlim
3.83/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

22 oz. bottle poured into a NB snifter.

A - Pours a light copper color with full carbonation that produces a two-finger head of rich, ecru foam that slowly collapses, leaving full rings of lace on the side and pillows on the surface. The beer is a rosewood and low sunset color, and clear.

S - Well-toasted caramel malts and brown sugar jump into the nose. Hints of white pepper and cinnamon spice along with dusky floral hops follow and demand notice.

T - Dark, dry floral, almost resin hops define the taste, with the toasted, slightly burnt caramel and butterscotch malts supporting them in the background. This is a NW US version of the style - hop-forward and favoring bitter. Slightly boozy on the finish, but the alcohol - almost 8% - is well-hidden.

M - Fizzy, almost foamy fills the mouth. Full carbonation, just as the pour suggested. Lighter body than expected. Hops really clean off the palette for the finish, and it's their bitterness that lingers on the tongue with just a touch of dark caramel. Well-blended, solid structure.

O - The quality of the components is readily apparent. It's definitely an American take rather than a traditional one on the style, with the hops taking the lead and the malts in the supporting role. I want to like this beer more than I do because it's very well-made, but I much prefer my Scotch ales being malt-forward. Still, definitely worth tasting, and would make an excellent gift for someone who likes his hops. (1,466 characters)

Photo of falloutsnow
3.66/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

From: Piccadilly in Champaign, IL
Date: None on bottle, in stores in August
Glass: Standard US pint glass

Two Brothers produces a hop-forward Scottish ale. A bit strange in theory, but generally successful in execution, this is a nicely caramel-malt-sweet ale with aggressive hop bitterness, but not much in the way of citrus flavors. Would have again if seen.

Pours a Head retention is at or a little below average, but the receding foam does leave behind significant rings of lacing along the sides of the glass, and the sheeting action after each sip is very pleasant to behold. The body is a transparent brown-orange color, light bringing out lighter shades of burnt orange and even a bit of goldenrod. Carbonation is visible and substantial, rising steadily from the bottom of the glass.

Aroma is substantially caramel-like, with a hint of toasted nuts. No ethanol is really present, and the bittering hops that lie in wait are not particularly noticeable here. The scent profile is a little on the weak side once the head fades, a bit disappointing.

Two Brothers has interestingly decided not to focus solely on the malt in this, more than balancing it with substantial bittering hops. Front of palate picks up some caramel malt sweetness with a bit of mineral character and some light, bitter hoppiness. Mid-palate finds an interesting mix of caramel malt and substantial, bitter hoppiness, with the caramel malt just winning out. Back of palate picks up substantial hop bitterness, less noticeable malt sweetness and caramel flavor, and a brief bit of ethanol. Lingering hop bitterness in the aftertaste, actually slightly overpowering the caramel-like residual maltiness.

Beer is medium bodied and quite full, with carbonation being at medium to medium-low levels. The result is a generally smooth mouthfeel, with a bit of fizzy carbonation to make things interesting initially. Finish is dry and a bit sticky, as expected. (1,937 characters)

Photo of beagle75
3.27/5  rDev -9.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Poured from a bomber into a tulip glass.

A: Clear, dark amber color with a loose peripheral ring of off-white bubbles. Scant lacing remains on the glass.

S: Very fruity, like cooked apples, with definite caramel character as well.

T: Begins off-dry, with early esters that match the fruit of the smell followed too soon by particularly spicy acidity. A drying trend begins early in the middle causing the early malt qualities to become diminished. The finish is too clean and bitter, a little herbaceous.

M: Thin to medium viscosity, balanced if a little syrupy and acidic, with moderate carbonation.

D/O: This mid-strength scotch ale begins alright but loses its best qualities too soon. Bitterness reaches uncharacteristic levels as malt is pre-empted. (759 characters)

Photo of bashiba
3.2/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Poured a deep clean mahagony With a light sticky white.

The smell is great. Big and malty With lots of toasted caramel.

The flavor is a big drop of from the smell. Its thin with dry toasted malts And a long lingering bitterness. Surprisingly shallow flavor profile.

The mouth feel is very dry and thin.

Not a great Scotch ale. (330 characters)

Photo of rhoadsrage
3.08/5  rDev -14.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

(Served in a nonic)

A- This beer pours a slightly dense dark caramel body with a bubbly off-white head that soon fades to a thick ring. There is a gentle carbonation of tiny bubbles that glide to the surface.

S- The clean aroma has some mineral notes and a dark toast and malt note in the finish.

T- The big bitterness doesn't have much other hop character to it with a dry dark toasted malt note underneath. There is a bitterness that lingers still without much hop flavor. As the beer grows a mineral water flavor comes through.

M- This beer has a medium-light mouthfeel with a scrubbing fizz and no alcohol heat.

O- This beer has a big hop bitterness and fizz that cover up all the much softer flavors. There are no characteristics of a classic Scottish ale but regardless of any style guidelines it just doesn't have any good hop or malt flavors. A bit tough to drink because of the bitterness. (904 characters)

Photo of vic21234
3.85/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

22oz bomber poured into a snifter.

A- Pours a dark reddish brown with a finger's worth of frothy head that hangs around for awhile. Small amount of lacing is noticeable around the edges of the glass.

S- Aroma is mostly of bready malts and a hint of caramel.

T- Caramel malts overpower all initially, then leads way to a slight hop kick. Alcohol is there but not overly apparent.

M- Malty, bready, medium bodied with nice carbonation. Pretty drinkable for a scotch ale.

I don't get my hands on Scotch ales much so I cant really compare to others, but this is a nice beer from one of my local breweries. I would seek it out if you're into Scotches. (653 characters)

Photo of barnzy78
3.93/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

22oz bottle, #6 in the 15 Beers for 15 Years series

Pours mahogany with ruby hues at the edges of the ale when held to a light. Fluffy beige head holds decent retention and leaves good lacing on the glass. Aromas are earthy, malty, caramel, raisin. Tastes are malty, bready, earthy, caramel, faint cinnamon and pepper on the finish. Medium bodied, exceptionally creamy and smooth. Overall, I thought this was a very good representation of the style, good complexity and great mouth-feel. (488 characters)

Photo of kawilliams81
3.93/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 22 oz bottle into a Half Acre tulip.

A- Pours dark ruby, brown color with a 2" light tan head. Lots of blotches and trails of lacing remain all over the glass.

S- Bread, toffee, toasted malts and some vanilla.

T- Sweet toasted malts, caramel and toffee, hint of chocolate, spices and slight hop bitterness at the finish.

M- Medium body and carbonation. Very smooth, creamy and crazy drinkable at almost 8%. This beer goes down so easily.

O- Do not have a ton of scotch ales usually, but this is a very tasty beer. If you can find it I would suggest picking 1 or 3 up. (586 characters)

Photo of TMoney2591
3.58/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Served in a shaker pint glass at Atlas Brewing Company.

The final stop on the Second Annual Bachelor Party Free-For-All! Quite the ride, indeed. This stuff pours a clear amber-copper topped by over a finger of cream-white foam. The nose comprises caramel, toffee, and very light pine sap. The taste brings in more of the same, with more pine sap coming through, and some light lemon peel joining the party. The body is a light medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a sorta/kinda dry finish. Overall, a nice Scottish ale, nothing amazing, but something generally enjoyable. (581 characters)

Photo of emerge077
3.83/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Bomber from Best Value Liquors, poured into a mug. Dark copper color, caramel tinged amber. It has a small head then it settles to to a thin tan skim. A ring of lace forms inside the glass. Coverage is pretty good, translates to solid head retention.

Nutty, toasty malt aroma, lightly sweet nougat. Mostly dry and toasty grains though.

Clean dry flavor, malt foward with nutty traces lending some bitterness in the aftertaste. Walnut, toast, light hoppy bitterness. Light to medium bodied with a light amount of carbonation. Easily drinkable, comes across like a burly munich dunkel with less sweetness. Dry overall with a hint of sweetness upront that disappears quickly. It's a good Scottish Ale, clean with a pleasant taste. Worth trying once at least... (765 characters)

Old 1713 from Two Brothers Brewing Company
82 out of 100 based on 17 ratings.